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by Carol Roach
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June 15, 2006

What Kind of People Stand and Watch As a Young Woman Commits Suicide?

April 19, 2009 03:45 AM EDT
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What kind of people could stand by and look on as a young girl commits suicide? Think about it, what people could do that? The answer is the officers in the women’s penitentiary where she was placed.

As a mother of a once juvenile delinquent myself, I know the pain and suffering you feel first hand. These kids can tear your heart out. However, whatever bad they have done, they are you flesh and blood and you love them.

Sometimes you have to make the decision to have them placed in detention so that they can get back in control. The reason they are acting out is because they are out of control and if the parents can’t handle it then the law must. The so-called medical professionals are there to subdue these kids and to keep them in control as well as provide proper medical attention. When a person is about to about to commit suicide can you get more out of control then that? How then can people whom you have entrusted your child or young adult’s life to just watch as she commits suicide in front of them?

This is a serious question that has to be asked and the authorities have to be made accountable for this tragic and senseless death.

According to Correctional Services Canada, Ashley Smith had problems from a very young age. Her parents tried everything for her. They eventually were able to get her some psychiatric help in a New Brunswick diagnostic and treatment center but the medical authorities released her “most probably” too early because she had behavioural problems.

Personal Note: The fact that she had these issues was all the more reason she needed help in order to become a well-adjusted individual and avoid her untimely demise. Instead they failed her.

Ashley went before the courts several times and in 2003, she was turned over to the New Brunswick Youth Center. She committed an additional 50 criminal offenses while in their charge. Many of these crimes were in reaction to the health professionals who were trying to help her and control her anti social behaviour. She spent much of her stay there in “therapeutic Quiet Time” that means isolated and away from everyone else.

Personal Note: My son was in “respite” that is what we call it here in Quebec for a week, when he was in a psychiatric hospital for kids with conduct disorder and other mental illnesses.

By January 2006, Ashley Smith was still incarcerated in the Youth Detention Center and still under “segregation” and isolated from others, only now she turned 18. Ashley continued to be violent and assault the staff. Because of her new charges it was decided in court that all these youth charges and the new ones merge into one Adult charge to be served in a federal institution – The Nova Institution For Women.

Personal Note: I am happy to say that my son’s incarceration in a mental hospital was only for 6 months and he never committed any crimes as an adult. He was only 13 when he was placed in the hospital. However, that period was a very dark period for the both of us and I can only imagine the torment the Smith family had gone through with their daughter.

Ashley ended her life on October 19, 2007. She was still in segregation only now she was incarcerated at a different correctional facilities, she often slept on the floor, where the tiles were taken away. She did not even have a mattress upon her bed. Ashley warned her primary worker of her intention to commit suicide but it went unheeded. Ashley took a rope and hung herself.

Personal Note: When this story was televised it was reported that the guards looked on while she killed herself. Their excuse for not stopping her was that they were told not to intervene. What kind of crap is that?

The four workers were charged under section 220 (b) of the Criminal Code of Canada, Cause Death by Criminal Negligence.

  • The results of the government investigation were that:
  • Ashley’s Smith death was preventable
  • Misuse of segregation
  • The death was due to system failures not only to Ashley Smith but these failures could affect every inmate.
  • These issues are a result of inherent problems within the Canadian Correctional System.
  • The Canadian Government must act immediately to rectify these failures to prevent other suicide deaths across all correctional systems in the land.

Personal Note: Is this a case of too little too late? Or should we just sit back and say, “these things happen?” I say, “why do we as a society always wait until something horrible happens before we check the safeguards within any of our social, medical, and legal systems. Why are these safeguards not in place from the very beginning?”

Source:

http://www.oci-bec.gc.ca/rpt/oth-aut/oth-aut20080620-eng.aspx

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Comments: 117

Leah Christensen Apr 19, 2009, 3:55am EDT
That's sad!! Now where on earth would she get a rope? Shouldn't prisons prevent people from getting their hands on things that will hurt themselves?
René Allen Nov 2, 2009, 6:32pm EST
I agree with you Leah. This is a very sad case. I think they gave her the rope and encouraged her to hang herself from the sounds of it.

SADISTIC SICK PEOPLE in this world should not have positions wherein "anybody's" LIFE depends on them ~ That includes parents.

Carol ~ Thanks for sharing this Article. Although very TRAGIC, this story needs to be told.
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Svetlana Goryacheva Apr 19, 2009, 3:56am EDT
Indifferent people, dear Carol... indifferent. No matter how innocent it may sound, indifference has probably killed more victims during the world history than anything else.

Blessings and best wishes - S.
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Marilyn is looking for whatever there is. N. Apr 19, 2009, 3:56am EDT
Yes, Carol, that's total crap and to not intervene in a suicide? Heartless is the BEST thing I can think of here.

Marilyn
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Kim ohhh I wish.... Apr 19, 2009, 4:10am EDT
wow
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Kathryn E. Apr 19, 2009, 4:25am EDT
I think she was most likely abused by her parents and or others from a very early age and therefore developed poor coping mechanisms, such as acting out behavior - often called a secondary problem - and the system never ever understood at all what was going on with her.


Shame on the system from day one. IF it was never documented that she was abused, just more evidence of a system too incompetent to even understand how to discover and document that.
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Kathryn E. Apr 19, 2009, 4:26am EDT
More evidence that sometimes Canada is just behind the times, as are many countries.
Carol P. Jun 1, 2009, 1:52pm EDT

I think all countries are behind when it comes to these situations.

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Diane "stormyz" B. Apr 19, 2009, 4:53am EDT
That is very sad.
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Jyoti M. Apr 19, 2009, 5:05am EDT
Thats really sad and disgusting..
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queen.susan . Apr 19, 2009, 5:06am EDT
that's horrible and sad.
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L. H. Apr 19, 2009, 6:17am EDT
Just horrible, what else can I say? Looks like mental institutions haven't really progressed too much.
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Lydia (part of the solution) Shelley Apr 19, 2009, 9:47am EDT
Wow. That is just insane. My heart goes out to her family.
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Thomas Millington Apr 19, 2009, 10:00am EDT
We live in a hopeless, helpless, out-of-control society. In time things will turn around.
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donna f. Apr 19, 2009, 10:02am EDT
Tragic, just tragic. My own son was incarcerated in his teens,when he fell in with the wrong crowd and got into a lot of trouble, and I know first hand how unfeeling and apathetic the staff of those places can be. I hope those who were charged get he maximum sentence.
Please let us know what the outcome of this is.
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Renee S. Apr 19, 2009, 10:18am EDT
That is really sad.
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Keri A. Apr 19, 2009, 10:22am EDT
That is sad!
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Nancy Biri Apr 19, 2009, 10:39am EDT
that's sad
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Cynthia C. Apr 19, 2009, 10:47am EDT
Unbelievable, so sad!
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Lisa H. Apr 19, 2009, 10:51am EDT
I have a few different thoughts. Not everyone who is "different" is abused. It's too common for people to believe that. Maybe they were afraid she'd try to kill them if they intervened. Not to say it should not have been stopped. The truth is we just don' t know this girl and can't really make a judgement of what happened.
Carol P. Jun 1, 2009, 1:53pm EDT

I agree. It is very tragic but we will never know the whole story. The family is who I think about. And her death was preventable. So very tragic.

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tina stiles Apr 19, 2009, 10:55am EDT
that is horrible. i hope those people pay for standing by an watching. that young girl needed help. i am so sorry for her family.
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Walker Bennett, SF Author Apr 19, 2009, 12:59pm EDT
All societies everywhere are breaking down and are indifferent to their members. It is good to see that, at least, the four guards who watched will be charged.
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Chuck L. Apr 19, 2009, 2:17pm EDT
See, that's why I'm always in trouble. I ignore stupid orders like, "Don't interfere." Then everybody says I did the right thing the wrong way, so I must be "disciplined."

Stoopud hoomuns!
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Joyce S. Apr 19, 2009, 2:52pm EDT
thanks
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Joyce S. Apr 19, 2009, 2:52pm EDT
Sounds pretty senseless
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Leo Lemmer Apr 19, 2009, 3:04pm EDT
After trying everything, including psychiatric hospitals and counseling, friends of mine, a teacher and a school principal had to lock their sixteen year old out of the house. She actually lived on the street at a youth shelter. She suffered from a personality disorder, almost impossible to treat.

Even good parents can have a bad "seed."
Carol P. Jun 1, 2009, 1:54pm EDT

A bad seed? They are still your child, no matter what.

Solskin Iam Jun 7, 2009, 1:27am EDT

yes,they are still your children and you do continue to love them.....but unless you have a bad seed you cannot comprehend how bad it is.... how it hurts.....the pain of doing what you have to do never leaves you.... never.....

Carol Roach Jun 7, 2009, 1:38am EDT

yes that is absolutely right

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Leo Lemmer Apr 19, 2009, 3:05pm EDT
Thomas, we live in an out of control society, but the situation is not hopeless.
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Angie O. Apr 19, 2009, 3:49pm EDT
And they keep cutting funding for the Mental Health Services; this is outrageous.
Carol P. Jun 1, 2009, 1:55pm EDT

Yep, it's way down on the priority list I am sure.

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mandy sedinger Apr 19, 2009, 4:22pm EDT
how sad
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Jan S. Apr 19, 2009, 5:43pm EDT
It shows a terrible lack of character and coscience in those officers for not trying to prevent this tragedy. I hope the convictions will send a strong message to others who are in a position to intervene...and who have an obligation to do so. If they have no compassion, at least they will be motivated by self-preservation.
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Bill's Spirit Apr 19, 2009, 6:32pm EDT
How very sad, How horribly too often true, but this is how our society (and I don't mean just the Canadian's) deals with people who are too much trouble. It's not as if this woman couldn't be helped, it's that helping here just required too much effort. Yes, it's heartless.

The "Tough Love" mentality works on some people, but it destroys many others. Society, and its members, just doesn't have the time to work with those who are too much trouble; so they get written off.
Carol P. Jun 1, 2009, 1:56pm EDT

You are so right. The "system" wants any type of mental cases to just go away. They are people and have rights as much as the next person.

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Janet H. Apr 19, 2009, 6:38pm EDT
How would she get a rope and what did she hang it on? Prisoners and mental patients aren't usually allowed to have rope.
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Lisa Frost Apr 19, 2009, 7:18pm EDT
Tough love still involves love, and some people forget that aspect. When I was a teenager, I had a lot of problems with my family. I could have easily ended up in the same boat as that young lady. My family decided that tough love meant not only isolating me from other prisoners, but from them as well. I received more concern from the guards then I did from my family or the authorities. Something needs to be done in both countries aparently.
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JoAnne D. Apr 19, 2009, 7:32pm EDT
It does sound outrageous. Who would have been responsible for the order to do nothing.
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Angela A. Apr 19, 2009, 7:35pm EDT
I have no earthly clue why a place wouldn't lift a finger to help this girl.
That's ridiculous to watch someone get a rope and hang themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if they handed it to her.
They should be punished for this.
No doubt.
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Phoenix A. Apr 19, 2009, 8:19pm EDT
That poor girl, I feel so horrible for people who reach this dark corner where they can't bare to live anymore.
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Cara D. Apr 19, 2009, 9:07pm EDT
Where did she get a rope, when she didn't even have a pillow or a bed?
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Samantha V. Apr 19, 2009, 11:30pm EDT
Cara, that was my thought too...

the whole situation is horrible. :( So very sad and senseless.
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EDWINA (MISSIE) B. Apr 20, 2009, 12:55am EDT

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Jo N. Apr 20, 2009, 1:06am EDT
That is sad.
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Felicia R. Apr 20, 2009, 2:18am EDT
Thanks for sharing...

Only advice I can give right now is best effective way to have more readers/viewers is when you send out a mailing about your piece, please have a clickable link. It makes things easier. Sorry, just trying to be helpful. :o)
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 2:41am EDT
I always thought that they were not allowed belts and ropes for this very reason Leah
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 2:42am EDT
I agree Svetlana
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 2:43am EDT
Marilyn it is sad to say but they probably glad she did it it, maybe they gave her the rope
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 2:45am EDT
kathryn you don't have to be abused to have a mental disorder, anyway there is nothing anywhere saying she was abused and her parents tried desperately to get her help, yes the system failed her.
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 2:46am EDT
yes Kim wow
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 2:56am EDT
kathryn CAnada is no more behind times than is the usa,

these things happen in any countries, just because I post one article where the system failed in canada I can find just as many in the usa too.
thinking like that does not fly with me.
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 3:03am EDT
yes Diane and Jyoti it is sad and disgusting
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 3:04am EDT
yes queen susan
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 3:08am EDT
L>H> I have no idea how that could have happened I know here in Quebec no one is allowed a belt or a fork or knife or rope or anything that can cause them to kill themselves.
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 3:10am EDT
she shells it is unbelievable that this could happen this is what you expect in iran not here.
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 3:10am EDT
lydia it is just horrendous and yes insane
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 3:12am EDT
thomas I don't understand how this can happen there are rules why weren't they followed, it is just crazy, I hope you are right that things will turn around
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 3:13am EDT
donna if I get any more word on it I certainly will pass it on
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 3:24am EDT
yes renee, Kiri, Nancy and Cynthia, it is very sad, shocking and sad
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 3:28am EDT
Lisa they are convicted under the law because what they did was wrong, by not intervening that is the country judging them and rightfully so, because you know what suicide is illegal even in prison,

and yes we do not know if this girl was abused before she got to prison but we do now she was in prison in the segregation room without even a mattress to sleep on.
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 3:32am EDT
yes tina the article said they were prosecuted for it,
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 3:38am EDT
Yes Walker I completely agree!
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 3:39am EDT
chuck I cannot believe nobody would intervene, this is a question of conscience I just don't understand those people
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 3:40am EDT
yes it was pretty senseless Joyce
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 5:32am EDT
yes Leo it is so hard
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 5:34am EDT
yep even in canada they are cutting it is awful angie
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 5:34am EDT
yes mandy it is sad
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 5:35am EDT
I agree Jan
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 5:38am EDT
bill you are absolutely right, it is sad though.
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 5:40am EDT
Janet I know they are not but I don't have the answers, I suspect the guards gave it to her but I don't know of course.
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 5:42am EDT
Yes Lisa, probably all western countries, if you dig down deep enough,
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 5:44am EDT
I don't know Joanne, maybe their supervisor the prison warden him or herself, though if that was the case it would probably have said so in the report,

the guards story was what was on television everything else was from the government investigation
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 5:45am EDT
Yep Angela A, I totally agree
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 5:46am EDT
phoenix she was obviously a tortured woman
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 5:47am EDT
cara all she had was a smock, they must have given it to her.
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 5:48am EDT
samanatha edwina and JoN, it is just absolutely horrible those guards are criminally responsible for this horrid horrid affair.
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Thomas Millington Apr 20, 2009, 8:34am EDT
When true religion is removed from society, as we are experiencing in the world today, look what we are left with. When true religion is re-introduced into world society things will definitely turn around. The current sickness in the world - physical, mental, social, moral, is temporary; the future of mankind is very bright indeed.
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Jodie B. Apr 20, 2009, 12:14pm EDT
What a horribly sad situation. I work in mental health, and I see the results of people who didn't get enough help when they were younger. But no matter what they do or who they hurt, they are still human beings in need of compassion and care. Always. These guards should be punished severely.
Carol P. Jun 1, 2009, 1:57pm EDT

Very well said Jodie, and my hat is off to you for what you do.

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Jodie B. Apr 20, 2009, 12:14pm EDT
Thank you for posting this to the Gimme 10!!! Group


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Jennifer F. Apr 20, 2009, 12:41pm EDT
Whether the guards thought she would attack them or not they should have stepped in. They outnumbered her 4 to 1. i don't see how they can live with themselves for doing nothing.
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 4:47pm EDT
not sure about Thomas, there has been these horrendous things going on in religious societies all of them
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 4:48pm EDT
yes Jodie, thank you
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 4:48pm EDT
I totally agree Jennifer
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 9:20pm EDT
yep and they were only I don't know what they got Adele
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Gary Nelson Apr 20, 2009, 9:23pm EDT
Unfortunately we live in a time when there is still such a lack of understanding about mental health issues. That lack of understanding breeds fear, judgement, indifference, and even malice toward the afflicted. We need more education of the general population as well as more treatment and support options for those who suffer from some of these horrible illnesses.
Gary Nelson, author of, "A Relentless Hope:Surviving the Storm of Teen Depression."
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Carol Roach Apr 20, 2009, 10:45pm EDT
thanks gary only she is was in the mental health system all her life and they the professionals even failed her.
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Nina A Apr 21, 2009, 7:06am EDT
this article resonates with me as i have had a troubled childhood and have tried many ways to end my life since i was 11 years old. i was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and severe anxiety disorder 5 years ago after finding the RIGHT doctor. we tried many thing but for some reason i took a turn for the worse and last year i went for the big one and ended up in the hospital twice. the second time i was transported to a mental health facilit. although it was run by the state and poorly i might add, it did help me and has changed me quite a bit. it saddens me to see that people turned their backs to this girl when she obviosuly needed extensive help and could have gone on to live a wonderful life. she literally asked for help and they ignored her. what kind of hope would that give a depressed person?
Carol P. Jun 1, 2009, 1:59pm EDT

So glad you are better Nina. And you are right, the treatment this lady got gave her no hope at all, no chance of survival. Very tragic, to say the least.

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Carol Roach Apr 22, 2009, 5:50am EDT
yes Nina I totally agree with you hon, it is just so sad, I am glad you were helped though.
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Charles Temm JR Apr 23, 2009, 10:20am EDT
She didn't even have tiles on her floor but she got a hold of a rope?
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Carol Roach Apr 25, 2009, 6:39am EDT
rep charles makes you wonder doesn't it
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James T. Apr 25, 2009, 1:56pm EDT
I was a police officer as well as an EMT for years...I talked more than one person out of committing suicide...I took an oath to server and to protect not to stand by while someone needed my help...there is no excuse for standing by and not helping when it is needed...

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Carol Roach Apr 26, 2009, 5:47am EDT
I am agree with you James
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Shelbia C. May 21, 2009, 10:01pm EDT

This is very sad

Carol Roach May 22, 2009, 5:22am EDT

yes it truly is

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Gessy D. May 29, 2009, 9:52am EDT

How can they let that happen.  It is very sad.  I really hope that they are being punished.

Carol Roach May 30, 2009, 11:19pm EDT

well I said they were found guility in the article that is all the information I know so far.

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Melissa O. Jun 6, 2009, 6:20pm EDT

they should have stopped her. why would anyone watch another person take their own life? and where on earth did she get the rope?