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by Ann Weaver Hart
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April 10, 2007

Mom, Apple Pie, and Ignorance

March 30, 2009 06:28 PM EDT
views: 379 | rating: 9.8/10 (47 votes) | comments: 96

 

When did ignorance become an American value?

During the presidential campaign, Sarah Palin's supporters blasted Katie Kouric for exposing her ignorance of foreign affairs. English-only advocates trumpet their bigotry. They claim that printing U.S. ballots in English alone will save great sums of money, never mind the fact that doing so disenfranchises millions of people (or that the money saved is insignificant). And the Texas State Board of Education (TSBOE) campaigns tirelessly against educating children on topics like global warming, evolution, and prevention of sexually-transmitted disease. In discussing curriculum guidelines, TSBOE member David Bradley once said, "I'm sorry. This critical thinking stuff is gobbledygook." Say what?

"But I don't live in Texas," you say. Think again. The TSBOE determines what textbooks will be used in Texas classrooms. Since Texas is one of the largest purchasers of textbooks, publishers are eager to meet whatever guidelines the board adopts. Publishers are living in the same recession as the rest of us. They do not print a separate version for Texas. They print one book and sell it to everyone. So you may live in Illinois, but your children are likely to have the same books with the same flaws.

TSBOE passed new science guidelines on Friday. The old guidelines contained phrases like "teach the strengths and weaknesses of scientific theories." The new guidelines contain phrases like "examining all sides of scientific evidence." The board has an ideological agenda. They insist on making it possible for teachers to present "alternate theories" to subjects like evolution.

TSBOE is a political body made up of people who are not educators. The education guidelines they adopt are written by educators and subject-matter experts. The board members then amend the guidelines as they see fit. The board's chairman, Don McLeroy is a dentist who claims to refute the theory of evolution. He is openly hostile to those who point out that he is a dentist, and that his area of expertise is teeth. "Somebody has to stand up to the experts," he says of scientists who claim that evolution is good science.

These are the people who adopted standards that called for the teaching of the weaknesses in the theory of evolution. They also adopted the following standard on Friday: "Analyze and evaluate different views on the existence of global warming." The scientific community has reached consensus on this one, but let's not let the children hear.

Meanwhile, in Dallas, the George W. Bush Foundation is gearing up to start a policy institute at Southern Methodist University (SMU). This institute will not be governed by the university, as is customary with academic institutes. Instead, the head of the institute will answer to the Bush Foundation.

This arrangement is alarming because academic freedom has no guarantee. Given Bush's record, scholarship will take a back seat to toeing the party line. Academic freedom ensures that students and professors can produce scholarship free of ideology. Denying it takes us back to the days of Galileo and the inquisition.

The Texas GOP adopted a platform last year that calls for the abolition of all property taxes and the U.S. Department of Education. Since property taxes fund Texas public schools, they are saying that they want to stop funding public schools. Until then, they would like to spend public monies on private schools with voucher programs and tax deductions for tuition.

Where did this contempt for education and knowledge come from? Why do so many millions of Americans embrace it?

For those who genuinely believe that anti-intellectualism is good for the country, here is a suggestion: Take your children out of our public schools. Educate them or not as you see fit. Then, perhaps we non-zealots will be able to wrest an education for our children from a public school near us.

 

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Comments: 96

Peter Joseph Swanson Mar 30, 2009, 6:30pm EDT
oh dear
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Rae M. Mar 30, 2009, 6:52pm EDT
10 for you
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Dorothy H. Mar 30, 2009, 6:55pm EDT
It boggles the mind, does it not?
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Nancy Biri Mar 30, 2009, 6:58pm EDT
thanks for sharing
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Kathryn E. Mar 30, 2009, 7:06pm EDT
I am SO glad I don't live in Texas.

Featured in the Triple Name Club.
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Leo Lemmer Mar 30, 2009, 7:07pm EDT
Ann, thanks for letting me know via e-mail. I truly appreciate the information. Keep on educating, please!

I knew I wanted you as my friend.
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Bill's Spirit Mar 30, 2009, 7:09pm EDT
"When did ignorance become an American value?"


When our laborers started having to compete with the under-educated masses of other countries, who happily work for pennies.

It's all part of the plan to dumb down our general populous, so they will each be happy living and raising families on rice and tainted peanut butter, and living in tent cities.

As the progeny of educators, I find this "dumbing down" both disgusting and vile.
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Erica Hidvegi Mar 30, 2009, 7:12pm EDT
Ignorance should never have been quoted as being 'blissful' . . .
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Leo Lemmer Mar 30, 2009, 7:13pm EDT
Kathryn, I have to. There's much I love about Texas, but much I am ashamed of. We are at the bottom in so many social services: pay for teacher(improved), insurance for poor children and on and on . The problem is that the moneyed in Texas keep the Republicans in power. It's great to be a rich Texan. However. in earlier years, I was fortunate to live in Arkansas, Missouri, Tennessee, and NYC.

Isn't Ann great and well spoken and intelligent?
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Carla G. Mar 30, 2009, 7:16pm EDT
There are some that deny what they would call their god-given intelligence and even common sense to live in their ignorance. Next they'll be thinking the world is flat.

I know a Unity church that put a sign outside that said, "Unity, a church where you don't have to check your brains at the door."
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Marilyn M. Mar 30, 2009, 7:31pm EDT
Good for them. There are many scientists who don't buy into Al Gore's global warming. And there is no proof of evolution. Providing that information to children is important. Way to go Texas.
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Texas Rocks Mar 30, 2009, 7:37pm EDT
And the Texas State Board of Education (TSBOE) campaigns tirelessly against
educating children on topics like global warming, evolution, and prevention
of sexually-transmitted disease.

I live in Texas and have many family members that teach. They do teach
prevention of sexually oriented diseases as well as pregnancy.
So you are wrong about that.
You are right about the Global Warming BUNK because it is not proven and
also right about evolution for the same reason you cant teach creationism.
I find your article somewhat inaccurate and without merit because of those
inaccuracies. Also, Texas has the best health care facilities in the nation
along with some of the best research. I would disagree with you that
Texans are a bunch of uneducated rednecks.
Texas is ranked 25th out of 50...so its 50% better than:
Colorado;Delaware;Florida;Tennessee;Kentucky;Arkansas;Washington;Ohio;
Illinois;Oklahoma;West Virginia;Utah;Michigan;Oregon;Georgia;Hawaii;New Mexico;Louisiana;Alabama;Alaska;California;Mississippi;Nevada;Arizona

To further my point... Texas is ranked 6th in private schools.

So, if you are one of those states that is below Texas, you dont have room to talk.
~M
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Ron (in complete sheeple overload) W. Mar 30, 2009, 7:39pm EDT
I hear there's still a chapter of the Flat Earth Society in Dallas....
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Ron (in complete sheeple overload) W. Mar 30, 2009, 7:39pm EDT
Thank God somebody is making even the Kansas Board of Education look good. Just kidding, we voted those idiots out a long time ago. Now in Texas, I think they may be permanent.
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Larry M. Mar 30, 2009, 7:59pm EDT
The TSBOE is alarmingly ignorant but if they encourage many to homeschool instead of attend public or private schools which operate on the prison factory model they will have accomplished one good thing anyway.

Of course that is small consolation.

I wonder if the big money people who control the Texas Legislature realize that they are cutting their own throats by eliminating the science in the science curriculum. Or do they expect to outsource all our technology needs.

Idiots.
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Elsie Duggan Mar 30, 2009, 8:27pm EDT
sad
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Chuck L. Mar 30, 2009, 8:33pm EDT
Have you noticed? There are people in this thread who are actuallyPROUD of having those ignorant yahoos determine education policy for their kids.
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What really pisses me off is that they may, by default, wind up making policy for what gets taught to MY grandkids here in Michigan. And here's a little flash for you ignorant dolts... Kids think teachers KNOW more than their parents. That makes it VERY hard to fight drivel. "Teacher said so," is a REALLY powerful argument to them.
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Robert S. Mar 30, 2009, 9:03pm EDT
We are working to make our new state motto "Proud to be Ignorant". Or maybe "Don't Mess with our Ignorance".

Texas has a very large population of small town goobers who think that just because they are stupid everyone else should be. I grew up in one and couldn't wait to leave. You know one of those places where real Americans live.
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Jeff H. Mar 30, 2009, 9:04pm EDT
God bless Texas! If they listened to democrats their economy might be more in line with California's, New Orleans or Detroit's.
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Robert S. Mar 30, 2009, 9:05pm EDT
Marilyn M. I would bet that you once lived in Texas.
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Robert S. Mar 30, 2009, 9:06pm EDT
Come on down Jeff H. we can always use another goober.
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Jan S. Mar 30, 2009, 9:16pm EDT
Home schooling is becoming increasingly popular. Public school curriculums vary by district, but many parents feel that they can educate their children better at home. Standardized testing scores for homeschoolers testify to the effectiveness.
When children are not getting a high quality education in the public schools, homeschooling is an excellent alternative. Concerned, responsible parents want to be well-informed about their children's curriculum.

In the 50s and 60s, sex ed and global warming were not taught, but we all learned about them. Evolution was taught as a theory, which is what it is. Schools teach facts. Parents teach values and those are individual.

Ignorance means a lack of knowledge. Bigotry means refusing to consider another viewpoint. Neither of these words should be used as a synonym for disagreeing with your views. Doing so might be perceived as ignorant or bigotted.
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EM JAY (Gather Director of Chaos & Uprisings) W. Mar 30, 2009, 9:28pm EDT
I'll bet we could sell Texas to Mexican drug lords and get a decent price right about now.
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EM JAY (Gather Director of Chaos & Uprisings) W. Mar 30, 2009, 9:30pm EDT
When I worked in the public library, I met a lot of homeschool parents who would be damn comfortable on the TSBOE. Gotta keep the kids away from the Librulls and Satanists.
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Kathy W. Mar 30, 2009, 9:59pm EDT
I really, really miss Molly...

Home schooling? No. Really? Why?
Really, no, really! Why would you want to create a whole new generation who can't interact with their peers?
Why? Because YOUR kids are better than THEIR kids?

Wilka (adamant about education...PERIOD!)
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Kathy W. Mar 30, 2009, 10:02pm EDT
Sorry, Ann...Great Article! Another Heads UP! But the ones who really need to listen will just nod their heads, and say..."Whatever--Sumbody else iz gonna know better n' me.

Currently, fighting the fight in St. Louis, too.
Our's is stem cell research and creationism...JaySuess Keee-rist!
Blessed Be, Ann. Keep putting it out there.
Wilka
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Kathy W. Mar 30, 2009, 10:04pm EDT
Sparky...it doesn't work like that. The zealots pay and pray that their neighbor's kids get an education. Just to keep them from breaking into their homes and stealing their big screen TVs....

Because we want the same for the neighbor's kids as we do for our own, right?
A good education.
Wilka
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Kathy W. Mar 30, 2009, 10:09pm EDT
"For those who genuinely believe that anti-intellectualism is good for the country, here is a suggestion: Take your children out of our public schools. Educate them or not as you see fit. Then, perhaps we non-zealots will be able to wrest an education for our children from a public school near us."
Somebody HAS to change the oil in my truck, right?

Homeschooled: "I thinks jes like my momma.....cause I ain't got no frienz...to cornfuze me with they bad ways...An' tha's a good thang. PLUS, my momma don't think I can meazure up in no real school. Real schools iz bad."
Wilka
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Col. George W. Mar 30, 2009, 10:39pm EDT
I agree that all sides of contriversal and unproven theories should be taught. I don't agree with abolishing property taxes unless another method of supporting education is adopted. I also agree with eliminating the Department of Education on a Federal level. They tend to tell the schools what subjects and subject matter to teach. We don't need "state" schools in America. Let the schools be local without federal government intervention.
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Kathy W. Mar 30, 2009, 10:51pm EDT
Here, Col. Geo...just think about this "other side..."


Let the education of americans be federally funded,
and federally measured,
Then you will achieve "national" standards.

And children in Mississippi (and Texas, god luv them) will get the same dollars for education that citizen's children in Ohio, California, or New York.
It comes just a bit closer to "fair."

And we can set standard LIMITS on education, the same as we can set a national standard of "expectations" in education for all of America's Youth.

Wilka
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Jenysie Jane Mar 30, 2009, 10:58pm EDT
I do not think there is anything wrong with teaching all sides of "science" instead of just teaching evolution....

I will soon be a homeschooling mom, so for the sakes of my fingertips I think I will stay out of this one....I don't feel like replacing my keyboard...

But for the record...the public school teaches exactly that...PUBLIC...what the public or world wants...and so we allow the public to raise our children essentially because when children go to public school they spend the majority of the hours they are awake with someone other than their parents...learning who knows what!!
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Jenysie Jane Mar 30, 2009, 11:02pm EDT
oh and for wilka...what you are saying obviously comes from complete ignorance of homeschooling...Homeschooled children score better on standardized tests, they are more easily accepted into colleges, they do better in work environments, they are more responsible, and definitely more respectable...and that is just in general...

I am not calling you ignorant, I am saying that you just don't seem to know your facts...so you probably shouldn't say anything for fear of making a bigger a** of yourself...
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Jan S. Mar 30, 2009, 11:08pm EDT
"Why? Because YOUR kids are better than THEIR kids?"
I think it's because their curriculum is, or can be, much better than the schools'. Parents all want the best they can provide for our children.

I also thought homeschoolers were at a disadvantage until I got to know some. Education is a high priority to me and these kids are not ignorant or socially backward.
They usually score well above the ps kids and they play with kids from public and private schools in their neighborhoods. Homeschoolers network for field trips and swap books and study materials.

Take a look at some of the statistics and also the homeschooling curriculums. There is so much material available and with such a small group, these kids can cover far more than a class in a school. It's surprising and very impressive.
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Lee P. Mar 30, 2009, 11:10pm EDT
I live in Texas. My children were all educated in Texas. They are smart successful adults now. Living in Texas is far better than some of the impoverished states who do not seem to value education at all. I believe Michael A. named quite a few of them.

Maybe we you can petition our government to command them to change the system the way you seem to want it to be.
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Today's Illusion Mar 30, 2009, 11:17pm EDT
I don't know if anyone can make a bigger fool of herself than you Jenysie,

"science" of what?

Evolutionary science is science. You have decided it is not, but that does not mean you are correct.
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Renita P. Mar 30, 2009, 11:28pm EDT
It's still amazing to me how many people are completely ignorant about the homeschooling movement. I'm a homeschooler. Why? Because I want my children to get a good education and learn how to learn. Yes, I'm in FL which is one of the bottom states for education which is a factor. Another factor is the peer group. I don't want my children to be socialized alongside those who are involved in sex & drugs while still in grade school! Are my kids antisocial?? ABSOLUETLY NOT!! In fact, homeschool kids (at least the majority of them) are far better equipped to socialize with individuals of ALL ages instead of just their own age group. Granted, there are certain few families who isolate their children, but I assure you taht is no longer the norm. My kids have a homeschool PE class each week where they are with 25-50 other kids, they have a community Bible Study class with another group of kids each week, they go to work with me one morning each week and help with another group of kids, they are in ballet once per week with yet another group of kids, we have homeschool meetings once a month and field trips with the homeschool group at least once a month. Unsocialized?? NO WAY! Most homeschooled kids are advanced learners. They have learned to teach themselves by reading & searching for answers rather than having facts shoved down their throat in a manner that they see no purpose in. My kids are still "supervised" by the public school system. At the end of each year I still have to have an evaluation done to show that my child is properly progressing, or I can do standardized tests or have a pyschiatrist evaluate her. My oldest is a year ahead of where she'd be in public school, and that's using a curriculum that the public school considered advanced, so really she's about 1.5 years ahead.

So, please...get your facts straight before starting to put down homeschool kids. Colleges now RECRUIT homeschooled children because they are proving themselves to be the leaders of their generation. I dare anyone to meet my children and then try to tell me they are antisocial or uneducated.
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Jenysie Jane Mar 30, 2009, 11:30pm EDT
We are forced to believe that it is science...but our children who do not grow up in religious homes never get the chance to make the decision to believe in evolution or not...they are just taught that evolution is true with no hint of creationism...because that is banned from public schools...
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Jenysie Jane Mar 30, 2009, 11:32pm EDT
I think Renita points out the facts I was also trying to point out!! I have never met a "dumb" homeschooled child!
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Jenysie Jane Mar 30, 2009, 11:32pm EDT
nor have I met an unsocialized homeschool child
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The Wassners, People Who Care About You!!!! Mar 31, 2009, 2:10am EDT
Thank you, For Sharing!!!!!!

passion
Wanting something is not enough. You must hunger for it. Your motivation must be absolutely compelling in order to overcome the obstacles that will invariably come your way.
In the end, it is the person you become, not the things you have achieved, that is the most important.
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David K. Mar 31, 2009, 2:13am EDT
Very interesting article and comments.
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Karl Leuba Mar 31, 2009, 2:26am EDT
Wow, and some unprintable cuss words, I have grandchildren in school in Texas. If they are not being taught that Evolution, and Climate Change and Nuclear physics are real science, they are not being taught. Science is NOT religion, it is a disciplined study, and observation of facts. Religion is the explanation of anything that cannot be observed.

The difficulty with this dispute revolves around the teaching of SCIENCE, not the teaching of evolution or meteorology. The subjects are used to teach the methods of science as much as to teach the theories. Studying evolution teaches how to study observable evidence. If you study the observable evidence the concept of evolution is the logical conclusion. That is how Darwin formulated the theory. It is also how Einstein formulated the theory of relativity, and how Newton formulated the laws of motion. Not teaching people HOW to observe and conclude is virtually criminal.
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Shannon H. Mar 31, 2009, 7:05am EDT
After reading your article and especially some comments I'm scared.
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Jerry Yes we can, Yes we DID, YES WE WILL! P. Mar 31, 2009, 7:25am EDT
Glad to be living in Virginia!
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donna f. Mar 31, 2009, 8:01am EDT
First, let me say that I have nothing against home schooling, PROVIDED that the parent has the intellect to provide to said education. All of the commenters above, seem to fit that bill, BUT, if Texas gets its way, thousands of kids will be homeschooled by people with substandard educations of their own.
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Larry M. Mar 31, 2009, 8:19am EDT
Intelligent Design is neither a theory nor science. It explains nothing at all and cannot be tested. String theory, which is so far still untestable, at least explains things.
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Julie Ann Dawson Mar 31, 2009, 10:59am EDT
*JUMPS ON SOAPBOX, GRABS MEGAPHONE*

ATTENTION! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "SCIENTIFIC THEORY" AND A "HUNCH." PEOPLE, EVOLUTION THEORY IS NOT "JUST AN IDEA" PLEASE GRAB AN ACTUAL SCIENCE BOOK OR FOR GOD'S SAKE GO TO WIKIPEDIA AND LOOK UP THE FRIGGIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HYPOTHESIS AND THEORY BEFORE SPEWING OFF! YOU'RE INSISTANCE THAT EVOLUTION IS "JUST A THEORY" MERELY IS A WRITTEN TESTAMENT TO HOW LITTLE YOU UNDERSTAND SCIENCE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

MORONS!

*gets off soapbox. Puts megaphone down. And quietly sulks off to lament the demise of scientific education.*
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Don(time to open them FEMA camps) S. Mar 31, 2009, 11:26am EDT
No proof of evolution?
Well how about some proof about some god marylan?
Read Darwin and turn off your teevee moron.
Besides it is a proven fact thet any child in texas that shows intelligence is sent to New York or eaten.
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Don(time to open them FEMA camps) S. Mar 31, 2009, 11:30am EDT
Besides the fact that ignorant religious zealots are so much easier to control than thinking open minded folks.
See the entire middle east.
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Carla G. Mar 31, 2009, 11:50am EDT
Jenysie: "I do not think there is anything wrong with teaching all sides of "science" instead of just teaching evolution...."

Are you saying that creationism is science? Science is science. The Bible is the Bible. One is religion. Science is science. The Bible should be taught in Sunday School and Church. Please don't try to mix the two.
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Kim J. Mar 31, 2009, 12:32pm EDT
OH Julie, PLEASE....don't you liberals know that evolution is just a theory????? Not a science????....just like the theory of gravity???? OH. wait a minute...lemme rethink that....ok, so all those that say evolution is just a theory, go test the theory of gravity, by...oh...jumping off a tall building and see which way you go--do you levitate? Or just fall to SPLAT!
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Rude D. Mar 31, 2009, 1:12pm EDT
How did the Taliban infiltrate our school system?
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Leo Lemmer Mar 31, 2009, 1:37pm EDT
Texas has taken a whipping from your comments, and I agree. Again I am ashamed of my home state. Remember that the powers that be here may be changing with the election of President Barack Obama. Some Democrats have hopes of winning upcoming elections.

Basically the problem in Texas is blind religion and Republican power.
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Texas Rocks Mar 31, 2009, 4:33pm EDT
LOL. you all have no idea. You are clueless.
26% of the country's oil is produced in Houston alone.
Texas Medical Center is the ranked 2 globally in healthcare and cancer research.
Private schools are ranked #6 nationally
Texas leads all other states in oil, cattle, sheep, and cotton, poultry and eggs, dairy products, greenhouse and nursery products, wheat, hay, rice, sugar cane, and peanuts, and a variety of fruits and vegetables.
4 Presidents were born here.
Texas has many green energy companies and promotes it constantly.
Texas upholds the Constitution as every state should
Texans have more manners and are far more polite in society
Houston is the 4th largest city in the USA and has the most diversity of ethnic populations, Houston is 2nd for the number of restaurants (we do love our food)
Property values went UP compared to everyone else's catastrostrophic tumble.
Cost of living here gives you the availability of having a very nice home for 250,000.
Texas is ranked # 3 for the most millionaires in a state.

As I said, you are blind. This is the best state anywhere.
~M
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Jan S. Mar 31, 2009, 5:10pm EDT
Creation and Evolution theories are not mutually exclusive.

Although I believe in Creation, I can also see that evolution has been part of human development. For example, we no longer have a use for the vermiform appendix or our wisdom teeth. Physiologists are not certain of the original function of the appendix, but wisdom teeth were once needed for eating tough meats and raw vegetation. Our jaws are now smaller and there isn't room for those teeth.

At my daughter's parochial school, the sex ed curriculum was designed by a committee of school board members, faculty and parents. The books and materials were chosen by the committee. It was very carefully planned to provide necessary information and to help the students make responsible, moral choices.

Information about the environment began in preschool, with the little ones bringing in milk jugs to recycle. Children came home from school and became the family ecology police, reminding parents to turn off lights and not waste water.

The issues are important to learn, but I would like to see more emphasis on spelling, grammar and handwriting. Graduates are computer whiz kids, but can't spell or write legibly. That is wrong.
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Steve Bachman Mar 31, 2009, 5:17pm EDT
If education were an institution of the market, and not a coercive government monopoly, then all of this would be a non-issue.
As usual, statism spawns a multitude of problems for every perceived (alleged) problem addressed by statist (read: coercive) means.

At any rate, neither global warming nor human evolution are proven scientific facts; and since "public schools" are rigidly "regulated" by bureaucratic monopoly and funded by taxpayers, and since parents are required to send their children to the compulsory youth indoctrination camps, then I think it would piling injustice on top of injustice to have children subjected to what could only be objectively considered as global warming propaganda and human evolution hypothesis being passed off as legitimate science.

In a free market environment, there would be a great variety of options for parents, to decide how they wanted their kids to be educated.
Since we don't have a market, then we'll always have various special interest groups all pushing to have their own subjective worldview imposed en masse through the government monopoly system.
If we absolutely must have the violent abolition of markets in the education industry, then we should at least aim to add as little insult to injustice as possible. Thus, schools should stick to teaching kids only that which can be upheld as objective, universal scientific fact, and refrain from dabbling in the subjective, the hypothetical, the ideological or the unproven -- as for them to do so, cannot be objectively considered "education," but more akin to indoctrination.
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Steve Bachman Mar 31, 2009, 5:31pm EDT
Julie Ann --

Since you've stepped down off you soapbox, you might want to consider the fact that human evolution is not proven.

I admit that its a compelling theory, and that there is evidence which suggests that humans descended from primates, but there is no conclusive evidence.
Indeed, the fact that no conclusive evidence in favor of has yet been discovered, could well be construed to be compelling evidence against.

Personally, I have no problem with my children being taught about the theory of evolution in science class. However, I recognize that there are many parents who would not, and they have just as much right to have their children educated the way they would prefer, as I or anyone else does.
Just because the horror of state-monopoly indoctrination camps which pass as "public education" are inherently unjust and cannot help but to violate the rights of parents, doesn't mean that we should all pretend like those rights do not exist.
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Jeannie B. Mar 31, 2009, 5:35pm EDT
// Good for them. There are many scientists who don't buy into Al Gore's global warming. And there is no proof of evolution. Providing that information to children is important. Way to go Texas. //, //You are right about the Global Warming BUNK because it is not proven and also right about evolution for the same reason you cant teach creationism.// From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming): "The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concludes that anthropogenic greenhouse gases are responsible for most of the observed temperature increase since the middle of the twentieth century, and that natural phenomena such as solar variation and volcanoes probably had a small warming effect from pre-industrial times to 1950 and a small cooling effect afterward. These basic conclusions have been endorsed by more than 40 scientific societies and academies of science, including all of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries." Where's your proof that it's not happening? And even creationists are admitting that what they choose to call "microevolution" has been proven.

//Evolution was taught as a theory, which is what it is.// From Wikipedia: "A theory, in the general sense of the word, is an analytic structure designed to explain a set of observations. A theory does two things: it identifies this set of distinct observations as a class of phenomena, and makes assertions about the underlying reality that brings about or affects this class. The term is often used colloquially to refer to any explanatory thought, even fanciful or speculative ones, but in scholarly use it is reserved for ideas which meet baseline requirements about the kinds of observations made, the methods of classification used, and the consistency of the theory in its application among members of that class. " Are you using the word according to its dictionary definition or in the colloquial sense? Saying, "It's just a theory" only shows one's ignorance.

It dismays me that people in any region of the country try to force others to believe, and teach, exactly what they believe and nothing else - regardless of the underlying facts of the subject. I have my personal religious beliefs, but I would never try to impose them on anyone else! I taught my child that God made us intelligent and curious because He wants us to explore and learn about His creation. Those who want to ban science from public classrooms seem to be the kind who thinks God will send them to hell if they ask any questions at all!
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EDWINA (MISSIE) B. Mar 31, 2009, 5:39pm EDT
THANKS FOR SHARING
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Renita P. Mar 31, 2009, 5:40pm EDT
The problem with the way evolution is taught is that it is taught as a FACT when it is, in fact a THEORY. It is not fact. Teaching science and teaching kids to learn through observation is important. In fact I'd say extremely important. But you don't have to teach that evolution is a FACT to teach about the powers of observation.
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libramoon C. Mar 31, 2009, 6:04pm EDT
Perhaps some of the problem is the dependence upon the "educational system" to create an interest in knowledge. Perhaps those parents and community members who are not bigoted against intellectual pursuits need to open more avenues of wonder to their tv bred, public school ignored young.
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Angela A. Mar 31, 2009, 6:35pm EDT
I had a root canal today and I think my pills are making me drowsy. Sorry for the non comment.
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Ann Weaver Hart Mar 31, 2009, 8:16pm EDT
I have nothing against homeschoolers. I think that in many instances, home schooling children will give them a better education than they could receive from public schools. I have a problem with politicians who want to force us all to home school our children or send them to religious schools. Public education is a good thing, Steve Bachman's libertarian leanings aside.

The TSBOE wants to allow the teaching of creationism and intelligent design to be given emphasis equal to that of evolution, because evolution contradicts their very narrow religious views, which are that if humans are descended from other primates, they are nothing more than animals, and therefore, do not have souls, upon which rests the entire thought structure of their theology.

This is definitely bigotry. The fact that they refuse to acknowledge the work of the scientific community about evolution and global warming is definitely ignorance. Not because I don't agree with it, but because it is objectively true.
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Kathy W. Mar 31, 2009, 9:13pm EDT
Mark: Check your facts, dude. About Texas:

Is Texas Bad for Kids?
BY RICHARD WHITTAKER The Austin Chronicle Jan 16, 2009
Children in Texas are more likely to be born underweight, grow up in poverty, and face underfunded health and mental services than the national average. Those are just some of the worrying statistics in the 2009 "Children's Campaign Report" issued by advocacy group Texans Care for Children – just in time for the start of the 81st Legislature. The body's executive director, Eileen Garcia-Matthews, said she hopes legislators will look at these statistics and reform the state's provisions for children with "a comprehensive plan, rather than the piecemeal approach we have now."

Collated from state and federal sources, the report compares year-to-year changes against Texas' own record and the national average. It shows that many baseline problems in child development remain untackled, while improvements in some areas have not stopped the state from trailing in national rankings. Garcia-Matthews called the report's contents "markers for where the system is letting people down."

The failures are serious: Texas was worst in the nation in several categories, including teen pregnancies, high school completion, children without health insurance, and adults in the criminal justice system – a significant issue because 56% of inmates incarcerated in state or federal prisons have children under the age of 18. Most worrying for Garcia-Matthews are trends in infant mortality: While still below the current national average of 6.9 deaths per 1,000 live births, the rate in Texas has risen from 5.7 in 2000 to 6.6 in 2006. "When you look at indicators that say something about a society, for us to move from ninth to 21st, that says there's something wrong," she said.

And when you want to brag about your millionaires? And being the Peanut capitol of the world? Just Google Stewart Parnell, who is facing murder raps for KNOWINGLY spreading salmonella from his nuts--nationwide. (Pun intended.) 9 dead, and forcing the largest food recall in the history of the US. All the while, he was performed as a lead on the State Peanut Safety Board...selling, KNOWINGLY selling bad products to nursing homes, schools, and the armed services.

That being said...I have to add a disclaimer, lest you think my state is better than yours...
Missouri? We're not in good standing either. It will take us a decade to dig our way out of too many years of right wing, religious, ultra conservative, feed the millionaires, underfund education/social services regime. But we're working on it.

As for home schooling? No. I do not believe in it. If the schools are not good enough for your kids, either fix the schools (everyone benefits) OR move to a state/county/country that will provide a quality education for your children.
Or, better yet, subsidize the education that your kids get in school--at home. That's how it should be, perhaps.
Wilka
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Kathleen ♥ L. Mar 31, 2009, 10:19pm EDT
Also, Texas has the best health care facilities in the nation along with some of the best research

I would respectfully disagree with that as it is worded in the above comment. I work in Health care in Texas, specifically San Antonio, 8th largest city in the US with one of the lowest per capita incomes in the country.
Yes, Texas has some of the better health care facilities, MD Anderson for one is world renowned for their Cancer research and treatment. With no insurance it is very difficult to get care there.

Education in Texas is hit and miss. Many of my friends have taught in the schools here. Those who have recently retired look on in horror at what the TSBOE is doing to their education system.
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Jenysie Jane Mar 31, 2009, 10:54pm EDT
I just want to say one other thing...I am not asking the public school system to stop teaching about evolution only to include creationism...I think I will go write another post about this issue....
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Prima Donna Mar 31, 2009, 11:00pm EDT
I am shocked. How could this happen? Have these changes been approved?
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Prima Donna Mar 31, 2009, 11:04pm EDT
I must say these discussions here on gather have opened my eyes to a corner of our population I have never seen before, not even in rural Pennsylvania.
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Jan S. Mar 31, 2009, 11:13pm EDT
Ann, Darwin's theory of evolution is still just a theory. It is interesting, but should not be taught as fact. It is one man's theory. Understanding the theory and rejecting it is not bigotry, but an informed decision. To reject a theory without study would be bigotry. Bigotry is based on ignorance.

Not sharing another's belief does not make one a bigot or ignorant. You may reject my beliefs, and I respect your right to do so. To reject them without having learned about them would be ignorant and bigotted.

As for global warming, not even experts seem to be able to pin down specifics. I see nothing wrong with exploring what is known and also what is predicted and suspected with students. To teach students that a theory is a fact, however, is wrong. To explore the theory is a learning process. I think we are all still learning about global warming.

I am feeling encouraged that so many people are so committed to excellence in education.
There may be some disagreement over curriculum, but I'm reading a lot of concerned comments here. With this kind of support, public schools can be improved and American students will receive a higher quality of education.
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Texas Rocks Mar 31, 2009, 11:42pm EDT
teen pregnancies: National Average is 7. Texas is 6.4
high school completion: 1994 was 55% - 2008 69%... progress is a good thing
children without health insurance: Should be listed as YOUNG ADULTS: 42.5%
adults in the criminal justice system: Texas reported the largest decline, from 16331 to 10764 prisoners.
infant mortality: While still below the current national average of 6.9 deaths per 1,000 live births, the rate in Texas has risen from 5.7 in 2000 to 6.6 in 2006. 11.5% of all Texans are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS... you dont think that makes the EDUCATION numbers go down?
The majority of immigrants from Mexico and Central America do not have high school diplomas. According to the Houston surveys and consistent with the U.S. census, fully 72 percent of all the Latino immigrants in Harris County come from Mexico, another 13 percent are from El Salvador, and 8 percent from elsewhere in Central America.

You need to get better facts. You are using facts from 1994. This is 2009.
~M
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Texas Rocks Mar 31, 2009, 11:45pm EDT
Take out the illegal immigrants, and the numbers for teen pregnancies, high school completion, young adults without health care, adults in prison, infant mortality...etc etc... all would GO DOWN quite a bit. Maybe if we could actually PROTECT our borders, Texas would show better numbers.
~M
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Senia Villarreal Mar 31, 2009, 11:55pm EDT
I personally am so tired of the Texas bashing! We are not all rednecks, hicks, ignorants, etc...
Society will forever have people who are very far left and very far right. Somehow or another things even out always.
I love my state and got a great education here. And let's not overlook the fact that it was one of the last states to feel the recession, so we must be doing something right. Not only that, but I have met so many people from other countries who are so glad to be here. (I work in a tax office.)
I appreciate that so many of you are keeping an eye on your children's education, but don't forget, the most education a child gets is from home.
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Georgiana S. Apr 1, 2009, 12:04am EDT
Neanderthal in the concept!
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Kathy W. Apr 1, 2009, 12:12am EDT
Michael: Always quote your sources. Mine was from a 2009 Texas newspaper article.
One other thing: Take out illegal immigrants? How do you propose to do that? I am not in favor of "taking out" anyone. Everyone counts. Numbers, the REAL numbers matter. Not a wish list. We deal with reality one moment, and then we scrape down and say, "but, if..." Reality is not based on But, if... Or the Yes, but....
We deal with the real.

And Senia, I am not Texas bashing, I was equalizing Michaels inflated statements. We agree, that keeping an eye on our children's ed is good...and we also agree tha most education (in good circumstances) occurs at home.
Wilka
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Texas Rocks Apr 1, 2009, 12:56am EDT
My point was that Texas gets the majority of illegals coming across. These throw our true numbers way off. Yes, everyone counts. But dont bash Texas (you were bashing Texas).

Either way, regardless of your acceptance of facts presented, Texas is ranked 25 out of 50 for health care and high school graduation is going up consistently (69%).

We have a state with more GSP than most countries' GDP. This state is amazing. Plus we are nice and polite. We open doors for strangers and grocery store sackers say hello. People help each other here without signing a contract. They do because they should. I wish more people were like that.
~M
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Lisa Gensheimer Apr 1, 2009, 11:19am EDT
There's an excellent history and analysis of subsequent findings in Smithsonian magazine on evolution. Check it out if you haven't already read it. A genome scientist, among the many quoted in this article, says,

"I am struck with the fact daily that the more information we accumulate, the more validation we find of Darwin's theory." Once new material has nestled into a host's genome via horizontal transfer, the genetic material is as subject to natural selection as ever. Truly one of the most remarkable traits of Darwinism itself is that it has withstood heavy scientific scrutiny for a century and a half and still manages to accommodate the latest ideas. "So far the data sets we've looked at and the surprises we've found show that the essence of the idea is right," Haussler says.

Also,

Disbelief in human descent may have been a justifiable comfort in Darwin's time, when few fossils of human ancestors had been discovered, but the evidence no longer allows it.
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Don(time to open them FEMA camps) S. Apr 1, 2009, 11:50am EDT
Ignorance is natural. Stupidity takes commitment.
Let chuck and glen have texas and the rest of us can go on from there.
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Cheri Cabot Apr 1, 2009, 12:27pm EDT
Excellent article Ann, and very frightening. Takes us back to the Dark Ages. Education has taken a back seat for a long time behind finance (obviously a bust) and any quick money making scheme. It is very unfortunate that our texbooks are being dictated by such a backward thinking crowd, but then Texas by way of the Bush family was the "birthplace" of NCLB, which was a ridiculous program and did nothing for students but did line the pockets of the Bush family.

And then of course, people are looking to the likes of Joe The Plumber for guidance.....that is very scary, but also shows how "dumbed down" we have become.

Perhaps....just perhaps, with our new president touting education as a must for our country to once again excell in the international arena, educators may hold the same prestige as they do in other countries. One can only hope. ( as an educator myself, I just keep hoping ...)
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Julie Ann Dawson Apr 1, 2009, 12:35pm EDT
Ann, Darwin's theory of evolution is still just a theory.

the sciences generally, scientific theories are constructed from elementary theorems that consist in empirical data about observable phenomena. A scientific theory is used as a plausible general principle or body of principles offered to explain a phenomenon.[1]

A scientific theory is a deductive theory, in that, its content is based on some formal system of logic and that some of its elementary theorems are taken as axioms. In a deductive theory, any sentence which is a logical consequence of one or more of the axioms is also a sentence of that theory.[2]

A major concern in construction of scientific theories is the problem of demarcation, i.e., distinguishing those ideas that are properly studied by the sciences and those that are not.

Theories whose subject matter consists not in empirical data, but rather in ideas are in the realm of philosophical theories as contrasted with scientific theories. At least some of the elementary theorems of a philosophical theory are statements whose truth cannot necessarily be scientifically tested through empirical observation.


A hypothesis (from Greek ???????? [i?po?esis]) consists either of a suggested explanation for an observable phenomenon or of a reasoned proposal predicting a possible causal correlation among multiple phenomena. The term derives from the Greek, hypotithenai meaning "to put under" or "to suppose." The scientific method requires that one can test a scientific hypothesis. Scientists generally base such hypotheses on previous observations or on extensions of scientific theories. Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used synonymously in common and informal usage, a scientific hypothesis is not the same as a scientific theory. A Hypothesis is never to be stated as a question, but always as a statement with an explanation following it. It is not to be a question because it states what he/she thinks or believes will occur.

Occam's Razor, also Ockham's Razor,[1] is a principle attributed to the 14th-century English logician and Franciscan friar, William of Ockham. The principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. The principle is often expressed in Latin as the lex parsimoniae ("law of parsimony", "law of economy", or "law of succinctness"): entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem, roughly translated as "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity." An alternative version Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate translates "plurality should not be posited without necessity." [2]

When multiple competing hypotheses are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the hypothesis that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities. It is in this sense that Occam's razor is usually understood.


Maybe once people can grasp these very, very simple scientific concepts, this ridiculous conversation can end. To put it in baby words for the really dense.

Scientists do not work in absolutes.
A Scientific theory is meant to look at actual evidence and discern a logical chain of events.
Theory evolves as new data is collected.
Evolutionary theory is SCIENCE because it uses actual evidence to discern a logical chain of events.
Our understanding of evolutionary theory changes as we gather more evidence.
Creationism is not science because it does not use actual evidence to discrn a logical chain of events.
Creationism refuses to evolve when presented with new evidence.
Creationism is philosophy, not science.
Creationism and Evolution should not be taught in the same class, because they are two distinctly different concepts.
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George Shaw Apr 1, 2009, 12:58pm EDT
Ann, I wish that this was new. It has been too many years since I taught U.S. History, but back in the 60's there was an important book titled, Anti-Intellectualism in American Life by Richard Hofstadter. It traces the idealization of ignorance in the U.S. Everyone should read it once.
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Lisa Gensheimer Apr 1, 2009, 1:38pm EDT
George, I read another book by Hofstadter, The Age of Reform, many years ago. I'll have to go looking for the one you point out -- I see both of them won the Pulitzer Prize.
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James T. Apr 1, 2009, 7:11pm EDT
And art and music are dropped because children do not need such foolish things to distract them from learning about abstinence and Creationism...

:O\
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Jan S. Apr 2, 2009, 12:01am EDT
"Scientists do not work in absolutes. A Scientific theory is meant to look at actual evidence and discern a logical chain of events."

This is why theories need to be studied and explored with the students. No teacher should present a theory as fact, but should encourage students to explore, research and make their own conclusions.
Creationism is not a science - true. It also cannot be proven...at this time. If unproven theories and assorted philosophies are taught, why not include creation? Students should be given encouragement to explore all avenues of learning.
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Julie Ann Dawson Apr 2, 2009, 11:23am EDT
Jan, did you even read anything I actually wrote? Do you STILL not comprehend the difference between a "guess" and the scientific process involved in scientific theory? You keep using the word "theory" as if it has no hard meaning. Maybe if you had paid attention in science you would be better equipped to be in this discussion.

Someone else noted that science still talks about gravity as "the theory of gravity." Maybe we should teach the theory of gravity next to the myths of ancient Greece. Then let children decide if they want to believe in gravity or greco-roman gods holding our feet to the ground.
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Elizabeth (This place IS my Soap Opera) O. Apr 2, 2009, 2:42pm EDT
"For those who genuinely believe that anti-intellectualism is good for the country, here is a suggestion: Take your children out of our public schools. Educate them or not as you see fit. Then, perhaps we non-zealots will be able to wrest an education for our children from a public school near us."
Somebody HAS to change the oil in my truck, right?-Wilka

I don't know about other states, but here in MI most of our mechanics, like my hubby, have college degrees in Automotive Technologies. They work for years and go to classes and take liscensing tests to try to become a "Master Mechanic". Part of his job includes oil changes.
Now, if you're talking to the drop out who didn't even bother to get a GED at Jiffy Lube or something, OK.
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Elizabeth (This place IS my Soap Opera) O. Apr 2, 2009, 3:17pm EDT
To add to the "theory" of either gravity or evolution, the "theory" of relativity. How many of you have surpased the speed of light recently?
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La Lady Lisa Westerfield Apr 2, 2009, 5:20pm EDT
Ann, great article. I think the idea of respectfully disagreeing seems to have flown out the window. Perhaps an ignorant opinion = an informed opinion came about almost as a ‘bastard child’ of sorts from the equal rights amendment and civil rights movement. I think the simplistic two-dimensional thinking, which started with the Reagan Administration, is appealing so appealing to folks that they are more than willing to downgrade their standard of living in order for a few nods of approval from folks like Dick Cheney. In some ways these listeners of Rush Limbaugh (I know I am stereotyping) are perverse 20th and 21st versions of ‘Uncle Toms’ except, of course, most are white. Take Joe the Plumber. As dumb as dumb can be, yet he appealed to a certain segment of society who took to him as if he was the new messiah. He was dumb, talked dumb, and was understood by dumb people.

There is no rhyme or reason why these people support the elements of the Republican Party most likely to vote in legislation that will harm their social class because they are bedazzled often by key words as family, values, and Jesus…oh, yes and guns. You put that all together with a foam finger saying that the United States is number one and these mildly brain dead (no disrespect for the zombies who may read this) sycophants cheer as they cut back on essentials such as food and medical care.

Perhaps part of the appeal for these folks is that someone such as George Bush is just like them. Of course they can have a beer with him because despite of his education (and we all know he went to Ivy League schools because of Daddy) he doesn’t talk down to them, he talks at their level. Even though I think of his as the dumbest SOB that the US has ever had as president, a tiny part of me (a fraction really) feels for him because it was perfectly obvious, as anyone who as seen the tape of him finding out that the nation was under attack during 9/11, that he knew he was out of his depth. In many ways he was the windup toy that those who want power and money at whatever price (even if it means dismantling our nation’s workforce) which is why the world economy is melting. Even if he was inclined to try and stop it, he didn’t understand it enough to do anything.

Ignorance has become an America value because from ignorance comes fear and from fear comes haste which inevitably leads to waste – waste of intellect, waste of resources, waste of community spirit. Lose these things and then there is no one with the inclination to question authority because they are too busy screaming about individualism as they try and fit their rotund circular selves into preapproved square pegs.
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Larry M. Apr 2, 2009, 7:30pm EDT
By the way, we understand evolution far better than we understand gravity. So far as I know we do not have a "theory of gravity." (If we do please give me a reference.) We do have a quite useful theory to explain the mechanism of evolution. We have no idea how gravity works though we can make calculations on it's "force." We observe gravity. We do not explain gravity.
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Gary Gentry Apr 3, 2009, 7:15pm EDT
Very well said, Larry.
As for creationism, it doesn't rise to the level of theory. Julie Ann said it far better, but intelligent design/creationism says: an intelligent being created the universe.
You either believe that or you don't. What else can be said about it? How can it be "taught" in a science class or any other class?
In practice, the "teaching" of creationism is the finding of fault with evolution, in other words, it it anti-science.
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Elizabeth (This place IS my Soap Opera) O. Apr 5, 2009, 12:02am EDT
Larry-Actually, I watched a "special" on Discovery awhile back about quantum physics. They were talking about the "M" theory. This is about the membrane between our universe/reality, etc and the one right next to us, on an atomic level. They were saying that gravitiy isn't leaking fom our universe into the other one, but that gravity is leaking into OUR universe.
That gravitiy is technically a very "strong" thing, but not in our universe, because you can pick things up, walk around, etc. When they reversed the idea of which way gravity flowed they discovered that a whole lot of math suddenly worked.
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