There unmistakeable similarities between the Great Depression of the 1930s and the sharp downturn in the economy that we are experiencing today. I would like to compare the two events, and the remedies that were used back then by President Franklin D. Roosevelt with President Obama's policies for curing our current economic problems.
When the Great Depression happened I was seven years old, and I was 10 when FDR took office in 1932. So I have some memory of the times, but I'm not sure how much comes from memory, and how much I have learned about it through the years.
One thing I do know is that FDR's many programs after 1932 brought hope to the people when they felt only dismal despair under Herbert Hoover's administration. Franklin D. Roosevelt's unrelenting efforts to find ways to relieve failing businesses and overburdened families were greatly appreciated whether the programs were entirely successful or not. The people knew Roosevelt was trying his best to turn the economy around, and that surely beat Hoover's hands-off policies that allowed the depression to continue getting worse, and left a huge part of the population hungry and even starving. The worst part of the depression before FDR was the inaction of the government that caused a complete lack of hope in the people.
The reasons for the crash of '29 were very similar to the present down turn - not enough regulation and oversight on unbridled ambition to get rich quick in the stock market. During the '20s it seemed that everyone was buying stock. If they didn't have the cash they bought on margin, another name for credit.
My father and mother didn't lose money first of all because my father didn't believe in borrowing money except on a home to live in, and also because they had recently used their cash to buy a new car and also used cash for a substantial down payment on a farm that they bought in 1928. But most of their friends who were not farmers had invested heavily in the stock market and lost so much that their lifestyles changed forever.
Roosevelt's programs put subsistence money back in the pockets of people who needed it most, whether it was by made-up jobs under WPA or the CCC programs, or an influx of money to help businessmen. Hungry people could feed themselves again and regain their self-respect at the same time. And those 'made-up jobs' have value to us even now as art, recorded history, improvements to our roads and parks and other projects that were promoted by the Works Progress Administration (WPA) and the Civilian Conservation Corp (CCC).
The negative forces that opposed FDR's programs back in the '30s refused to believe, or ever acknowledged, that the economy was on the way to recovery before the outbreak of WWII. They loudly proclaimed, "Roosevelt didn't stop the depression! The war did!". That idea has been repeated so long and so often that is widely believed to be true even now. The people who say that disregard that the unemployment rate between 1932 and 1941 went from 25% and over in some areas to single digit numbers. It is true that the war accelerated economic recovery enormously, and that it led to a return to prosperity much faster than it would have had there been no war. And that is the point of this article. Exactly how did World War II stop the depression of the 1930s?
Manufacturers all over the country retooled at great expense from peacetime to wartime products. Carmakers turned to making tanks, shipyards switched over to building battleships, aircraft carriers, and destroyers, and airplane manufacturers turned to making bombers and fighter planes. It was a very costly process. Huge amounts of borrowed funds went into the economy very quickly, and the whole country was behind the process 100%. Well - there were probably a few isolationists who thought we could ignore 'foreign wars', put our heads in the sand and the war would go away.
So how did the war stop the depression? The answer is easy - by inserting an enormous amount of money very rapidly into the economy for the war effort. Huge sums of borrowed money went into the economy in a very short period of time. And that is what Obama is trying to do now. He is trying to make all-out war on the recession before it becomes any worse. He wants to put as much money as necessary into the hands of workers, manufacturers, and other businesses that are most closely involved in the lives of average Americans.
But to do that the failing financial part of the economy has to be propped up to be able to loan out money to the people again. Which financial companies should be helped, and how much money to loan them is the problem. And how do we make sure they spend their windfall of public money wisely. The money is all borrowed by our government from foreign investors and must be paid back as soon as possible. The interest on that debt is one of the highest expenses in our federal budget. The debt that is incurred will be paid back by cuts in spending where possible without cutting many jobs, and more importantly by increased revenues that will come into the treasury in increasing amounts as soon as the recession gets turned around. That is what happened after WWII, in spite of continued federal expense on the Marshall Plan to help reconstruction of Europe's war zones, and honoring the promises to our war veterans to take care of their health and pay for their college educations.
As I see it what has happened lately is that the financial part of our economy has reinvested in other financial companies instead of returning money to people who would grow our Gross National Product. Money has to be available to the people and companies who actually make things to sell. Because financial institutions have been trying to make money by other means, they have failed to provide money where it will do the most good, and our country has gone from being a creditor country to being a debtor country. At least that is part of the problem as I see it.
But let's return to just how WWII stopped the depression of the 1930s. In the case of WWII, all able-bodied men were drafted into the military services where they were paid enough to supplement their needs that didn't come with their jobs as soldiers, sailors, and marines, and there were modest allotments available for their dependents.
On the civilian front, many women, maybe half the women in the country, took over jobs the men had done formerly. My sister went to work as a teller in a bank. My mother, in addition to doing the office work for my father's dairy and overseeing the running of the household, worked for a Norden Bombsight factory in Danbury, Conn. The thing was that all the money earned from war work put families back in a good financial status. I worked for factories making war materials before I enlisted in the Navy Waves.
The war effort was universal in America. Everyone gave his or her best effort. We knew we had to do everything humanly possible to help our allies in Britain and France, who had already given everything they had to beat Hitler's Germany. At the same time we had to defeat the demoniacal forces of Japan before they invaded our homeland. There was no hesitation in where our duty lay. We knew we could and would win against both enemies. And we did.
We need to apply the same tactics and determination to the problems with our economy now. It is every bit a war as important as WWII. We are fighting adverse forces that can bring down America to the status of a third world power. If we don't rally strongly and universally behind President Obama and the many world-renowned economists whose advice he is taking, this country may go down permanently. If we don't dare to give this capable and uniquely qualified man a chance to save the economy, maybe we will deserve the meager pickings left to us in this life. As I see it the key to success is to go after the problem with fast, strong, and solid blows, or we will find ourselves dying the death of a thousand cuts.


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I find everything you write very valuable. You bring insights and a thoughtfulness to the current problems being faced by our country. I think the country and the business leaders need to think strategically. Education, energy and health are strategic assets of the country and requires attention even in difficult times. I hope and pray that Obama sticks to this no matter what criticism he faces. A lot of senators and congressmen/women have to go - they are not in tune. Most of the political pundits have their heads up their asses too.
Thank you for sharing your wisdom. You are absolutely right. Selfish people interested in only their well being will end up destroying the rest of humanity.
One critical difference from the Great Depression of the '30s, is the huge, immediate, and repeated attention given to Obama and his policies by infinite powers of modern media, and an unfair amount of time they are giving to his opposition. Heck! They lost the election, yet they are being allowed a lot of air time to scuttle Obama's plans before he even gets a chance to launch them. The media is warping opinions of people by giving more talking time to the opposition than thay warrant. I think Obama's approval rating has dropped about 10 points recently after the media has loaded the airwaves with critical talking heads on news programs as well as the likes of Cheney, McConnell, Army, Boener (or whatever the senator's name is) and others who are raiseing fears about the national debt. They don't seem to realize that spending money and getting it out there into the people's marketplace is at the crux of the plan to stop the downturn. And hope and faith in the president has a lot to do with the recovery as well. Give the guy a chance! Don't let those interested only in keeping the pot boiling and the losers and their failed policies have more than a fair amount of influence on the outcome. If Obama can't get almost universal support of the people, at least from Democrats, his program won't work. They will be whittled down into impotency. And that isn't just my opinion, it is the firm opinion of all the most respected economists in the country that I have heard. Check it out. We who voted for Obama must stick with him and give him our complete support at least for a year. We sink or swim together.
Hello Ruth.
I agree with you 100%. Now is not the time for partisan politics to rear it's ugly head. It's time to rally around President Obama. With so many pressing issues facing the American people we need a President with the energy, fortitude and desire to meet these problems head on. I can think of no one on either side of the political spectrum I'd want at the helm at this critical time in American history.
I'd like to thank you for this article. It is one that I'll reference time and time again.
Made work may have kept money in some people's pockets and kept others heads above water BUT his policies simply introduced the idea that our system wouldn't work unless government directed it. It wasn't a lack of regulation that produced the Depression, it was the wealth of regulation that turned a business downturn into it. Both Hoover's stupid Smoot-Hawley tariffs and FDR's anti business decade made that nightmare, it was not a lack of government for sure.
I respect Ruth's memories and perceptions while remembering my grandparents and their generation's outright hatred for him. They were farmers and had to deal with the myriad of rules that bewildered anyone trying to produce in the nation. The list of his wrongs is huge; increasing wages during a over abundance of labor available, increasing prices for food causing vast amounts of it to be burned, plowed, under or killed- those same price floors threw hundreds of thousands of sharecroppers off their rented land and bankrupted smaller-less efficient farmers, setting prices on services when businesses were trying to simply get business, creating the huge TVA project which ate up millions of dollars in deficit spending (when millions was real money) while killing private sector utilities throwing tens of thousands out of work, attempts to create government farming co-ops (all failed), raised taxes on those who built businesses causing money to hide or leave the nation, taxed money in banks which caused even more capital to flee, increased unionization at a time when corporations/companies in many cases folded because of demands they couldn't fulfill....its ugly and my list is far from complete. Your claim as to unemployment figures dropping down to single digits in most areas of the country aren't backed up by numbers available. It happened on occasion until the full employment of war but never lasted more than a month or two. It stayed into the mid to high teens with jumps into the 20s almost throughout the entire pre war period.
Your handful of isolationists was far more than a handful of people by the way and most period sources think they were either a majority or close to it until the Pearl Harbor attack. Wilson's War had done a fine job of causing American distrust of their government. Most of our war manufacturing until 1938 was shipped to foreign countries and when war came, as you note it was done with huge borrowing. That debt still is being paid on today. Few if any foreign countries have repaid their debts to us in full either.
Sorry, the number of economists and historians who support the view of FDR as the great savior of Depression era America is dwindling down to a small politically partisan group the last couple of decades as the numbers have been crunched. Even Keynes was often dismayed at FDR's excesses and supposedly this was supposed to be the Keynesian success story. Obama seems to be exceeding FDR in some ways, in others not taking the same route. I see no reason why FDR should be emulated nor why Obama should be held as someone uniquely qualified as anyone but someone likely to follow those same horrible steps.
This country is even more divided than in those times into almost even camps. The steps we are taking are doing little more than reinforcing the divide and setting us up for a massive near term crunch when the bills come due.
Did the new deal{FDR} Did the new- deal bring us out of the depression?. The answer is an "emphatic" NO!. The depression began in 1929. During the worst of it, unemployment reached about 25%. In 1939, when when the "New Deal" was fully in-force, the unemployment rate was down only to 17%. It wasn't the New Deal that ended the Depression, it was WW11.
Read a great informative book written by Amity Shale's- The Forgotten Man. A true telling of how America beat the Depression.
And your revisionist history is flawed in even more ways. FDR had record growth and unemployment levels down to 14% until he cut spending on budget worries in 1937. The US quickly went back into recession and unemployment jumped to 19%. Government spending during FDR was about 10% of the economy, and that jumped to 40%+ in WWII... And that 40% were levels Keynes was recommending FDR go for during the depression.
One difference I'll bring up between now and "then" however, is that we have already had our war(s), and still have them, and they don't seem to be stimulating the economy at all. They mainly seem to have killed a lot of civilians and servicemen and women, and built up a huge debt (mainly to the Chinese- that's that Communist Chinese, thanks not very much at all, former President Bush). The last parenthetic phrase simply refers to the partisan politics being played by the Repubs: they just recently brought up the fact that we are borrowing from communists. Funny, it never bothered them for the entire duration of the Bush administration.
Furthermore, funding the war effort up to now seems largely to have involved the process of borrowing money from the Chinese and depositing it directly into the bank accounts of Blackwater, its executives, and all the other bottom feeders that VP Cheney is so chummy with. The war effort sure doesn't seem to be helping Detroit.
So, I don't see the parallels as being quite as strong as you see them, but I still think you make a lot of excellent points.
Tim, depression started in 1929, by 1939, 10 years later, unemployment still at 17%.
James - This war is very different from WWII. It is a war of choice and the general public doesn't have much to do except pay back the money we are borrowing from the Chinese. There was no need to gear up for a war effort because what our troops don't do, is done by no-bid contractors.
Charles - That's not what I have learned from reading about FDR's administration. I stick to my guns about the history of the Great Depression. I was old enough at the time to understand how Roosevelt gave the people hope and then jobs and programs to keep people from starving. My family were all Republicans and even they felt the improvement after Hoover and the Republicans and their non-regulation were thrown out. Congress at the time didn't give Roosevelt the backing he needed fast enough for his programs to work as he intended, but the economy was gradually getting better. I remember when my father and other dairy farmers began to get enough for milk that they didn't dump it in the ditch any more. I remember in 1936 my father's dairy was doing enough better that we bought a little travel trailer and went on a two week vacation in Maine for the first time. I remember when the bread and soup lines were inot n the headlines any more. You are the one reading revisionist history.
Ruth, please the average American is soooo- over-taxed now, it can not handle more Obama taxes put on it's back. Ruth when is enough- enough?.
The Obama goal is to rewrite the American social compact, to recast the relationship between government and citizen. He wants government to narrow the nations income and anxiety gaps. "SOAK" the rich for reasons of revenue and justice. Nationalize health- care and federalize education, to grant all "his" citizens of all classes the freedom from anxiety about health-care and college that the "evil rich" enjoy. And fund this vast new socialist- social safety net through the "cash- cow" of a disguised carbon- tax.
Ruth, there is no longer any doubt to what General Obama is- and thatr is a man who craves power- and his vehicle is socialist big government control.
Ruth, this country became the greatest economic engine for over 200 years through "Free-Enterprise, which has given "Humanity" extraordinary material blessings, on top of the "Liberty"it affords us, has not disproved itself with this crisis. Where as Obama-"type "socialism" has disproved itself everywhere it has been tried. Ruth you want to move closer to that failed system and to hyperinflation{ trillions in debt} and other socialist catastrophes.
Our choice is ? either we become a nation sheep led by Obama- or we come to our --Free Enterprise---Common Senses.
Other developed countries do it. Why can't we? We brag about how free we are - right! We are free to be homeless, sick, and die alone -just so we don't bother the people who don't want to look at us. I have heard it all - "Stand on your own two feet!" "Work for it the way I had to!" It is so easy to turn your back on people who have problems. No one in what is touted to be the richest country in the world should have to go bankrupt to pay for medical bills! It doesn't happen in countries who have socialized medicine. The word Socilized isn't a bad word. It means that people are willing to give a hand to fellow citizens who have run into catastrophic bad luck.
Of course history until the last decade or so was mainly in his camp. Just like Wilson was a great leader at the turn of the century, the great statists are revered by many in academia. The evidence however is not there. Try looking in even basic economics books or for a very concise, modern version of FDR's failures-read The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes.