1.1
In reading older texts embedded in a time-linear development of a particular tradition, it is widely (and rather uncritically) accepted that the meaning of the text is wholly dependent on the author’s intent with respect to the historical context of the same. The “context” becomes a form of meta-communication limiting or expanding the discursive domain of “allowed” meanings. Whereas it is true that an author can intentionally inject the necessary context for interpretation as a forward, preface or introduction of the main subject matter, it is obvious that the discourse of the author must end somewhere, putting the task of working out the meaning “in context” on the reader.
1.12
At some point, against the obsessive whim of a puritanical advocate, the reader must inject their own contemporary intuition, bias, and preconceptions in order to render the discourse intelligible to themselves. This is unavoidable; all communication must rest on a common basis of signs, emblems, images, concepts, and the whole agora of mental representative currency.
1.13
Discourse—either textual, oratorical, or emblematic—passes from one generation to the next; one geographical, historical and societal context to the next, with each carrier filtering, adding, removing, interpreting, re-interpreting the same on each their own contemporaneous and “modern” situation. It is a fallacy to think that each successive carrier of a particular tradition adds “context” to the source intent of the traditions; which also means that one should not, as some uncritically assert, assume that all historical copyists, translators and commentators understood the original meanings of what they processed.
1.131
An example can be found in the manner which Christians, Jews, and Muslims treat their own scriptures. They all assert that some meaning exists in scripture that is yet to be determined by some future reader suffering a particular event—of which prophecies are rather lurid examples. Since there is no way to determine the real context of a passage that outlines a future event, each carrier of the text must copy, process and retain that which is incomprehensible (or only comprehended with respect to the historical situation of the prophecy--till the prophecy is accepted as "fulfilled."). And as such, each generation must pass on their own contemporaneous cognitive moments into the development of the textual tradition. The commentators will each add their own present perspectives into the chain, mirroring (i.e. speculation) the text into their extant world. These respective “reflections” of the text in the author’s absence will create family resemblances between the successive organa of interpretation. Sometimes jurists and legalistic interpreters will mistake the successive family resemblances as reflections of a unified intentional source meaning, even if the interpretive products of these systems contradict or obliterate each other.
2.1
In religious discourse, it is also asserted that each future individual will reawaken a personal meaning of a particular ancient text with respect to their own life, following a contemporaneous organum of interpretation based on some historical context developed and retained during the life of the textual and oral traditions. The complexities that arise from this enduring project often bring about the existence of self-privileged interpreters (priests, scholars, jurists), who dictate the confines of the discourse and its application to the user of the tradition. Some have even imploded the dialectic into discursive techniques used to limit meaningful dialectical criticism against a particular tradition. (See the claims echoed by Terry Eagleton, et al, the best criticisms against a tradition are found in the actual literary tradition for which one is criticizing).
2.12
This usually means that a dissenting users of the tradition (in its oral and textual aspects), who wishes to breath life back into an incomprehensible text, will find themselves in a hostile relationship with the privileged holders, preservers and interpreters of the tradition. The usual method of quelling this dissent, as executed by the “jurists” of the tradition, is to accuse the user of “adding their own interpretation” when their views are not in line with the general consensus of the priests and faithful adherents. This of course means that the priests and jurists must suddenly reduce what was formally considered “incomprehensible” to something that is fully comprehended within a fabricated “historical context” of the tradition. In other words, the mysteries of the tradition are held up as “incomprehensible” till the user makes a claim on the interpretation that disagrees with the jurist’s and scholar’s uncomprehending-comprehension. Once that happens, the formerly “incomprehensible” tradition, suddenly switches to the realm of understanding, if only to discredit and quiet the views of the dissenting user.
3.1
It is not hard to see that it is far easier for a theologian/jurist to deny a particular interpretation than to assert a meaningful replacement.
4.1
These statements can be made about any textual tradition: i.e. biblical, legal, constitutional, philosophical, hermetical, historical, etc.
5.1
As for religious traditions, it is not hard to see why such traditions should eternally commit to copying incomprehensible elements, as the transmission to and from and the retention of adherents requires a fundamentally static gap between human questions and mystery answers.
6.1
Each carrier of a particular tradition (meme-plex) will merge their own extant cognitive agora of understanding around the transmission of the tradition. Each interpreter will combine the extant programs of integration of the tradition into the life of the adherents into an oral history of the application by privileged users.
1.14
With the example of alchemy and hermetic tradition, one cannot therefore assert that the medieval alchemists of the 15th-17th century fully understood the meaning of textual sources (e.g. as the Emerald Tablet) of the 1st to 12th centuries. Some scholars of alchemy and hermeticism have said that the medieval alchemists were on the “leading edge” of technology of their time. But these same scholars claim that the best understanding of alchemy and hermeticism cannot be obtained by 20th century researchers “injecting their own 20th century ideas” into the text. They, instead, claim that we should strive to understand the historical context and divorce our own contemporaneous cognition from the reading. However, when a researcher divorces his own contemporaneous cognition from his interpretation and reflection of an older text, he is nevertheless reconstructing a bias of an earlier author in order to understand.
1.141
As such, the 20th century researcher finds himself suspended his preconceptions in order to admire the—in particular—14th century preconceptions of an even earlier source. While this may be a good exercise for the researcher to see through the eyes of another, he nevertheless replaces his own preconceptions with another’s (a potentially less correct) primordial understanding. Many alchemists decried the manner of which the “ancients” or the “sages” chose to explain an alchemical notion—citing examples from their own contemporaneous observations as a better path of understanding.


Comments: 20
Such limitations simply cannot rationally apply to Someone that actually made the human minds that would read the text in question. The fact that you, or anyone else, does not realize God exists, and caused those texts to exist and arrive before out eyes, does not mean He didn't. You not understanding something, does not universal bafflement make. You're just one person, and though you can generate the idea of "everyone" being unable to understand what you don't, that's still just you, not really everyone.
I suppose the sheer number of protestant denominations following the Bible doesn't add to this comedy--if that's not evidence of the "universal bafflement" you seek, I don't know what is. While I am not explicitly writing about the "universal bafflement" between the adherents of certain scriptural traditions, I certainly think that the absence of the author(s) of the same aren't going to come back from the dead and testify to your understanding. Nor can you establish the same through contemporaries, context, narrations, events, etc. Polysemy, in the light of the variation of species of meaning and the growing organic evolution of communicative forms over time, certainly provides a sturdier structural framework for this hypothesis of "universal bafflement" than any of the many contradicting religious creeds built on the text itself.
Your disingenuous straw-man caricature of my statements prove my point; I am not drawing conclusions of "universal bafflement" out of the abundance of some particular personal experience of "bafflement". I am talking about the structures that cause this "bafflement" to persist. In fact I am not baffled. But just because you aren't baffled by religious creeds built on ancient texts doesn't mean everyone else isn't ;)
Your apparent preoccupation with other people disagreeing on things is nonsensical to me. Nowhere does the Book speak of everyone agreeing on what it is, or says, or anything else. If there was little "division", the Book would be proven unreliable, for it says clearly that will not happen. How can it be rational to say that what it foretells has come to pass, so it must not be genuine?
It's as though you cannot believe what you imagine it "ought to say", and ignore what it does say, to arrive at the conclusion it is incorrect. It's very much like people deciding the Book must not be genuine, because it speaks of violent and harsh things . . as though if it didn't mention them, that would render it more believable. That makes no sense, violence and harsh things are clearly real. If it didn't deal with such things, it obviously couldn't be the Word of the God of this world, could it?
Lets assume the Bible foretells the events of division in the ecclesiastic entities--certainly not a difficult task when the actual ecclesiastic entities grow in conjunction with the diverse sects of the tradition and not after the finalization of the canon . There wasn't much "unity" in the Jewish traditions in the centuries up to the birth of Christ--and the Pentateuch doesn't inspire much unity when the Deuteronomy passages seem to be an example of a "reforming movement" out of the previous 4. Differences existed then as they do now, and to say that the book is "genuine" because it predicts the continuation of a phenomenon (i.e. people in violent disagreement over their superstitions) over several centuries, doesn't imply that it is genuinely "God's word."
The Bible is genuine in the sense that it represents a cherished lineage of human theosophy (modified from its African, Sumerian and Greco-Alexandrian origins) fitted particularly for the European mind. However, its diversity may actually (surprise!) stem from the diverse sources of its claims.
The Bible has a long period of syncretistic development--both in the OT and the NT, its not surprising that the divisions should occur later when these archetypal braids in the unconscious begin unraveling the ruse of earlier syncretic projects.
To say that one being engineered the Bible is to deny these earlier projects; i.e. it has the effect of denying human ingenuity and design in the biblical traditions.
Listen up big shot; I don't need your permission to know God is real, that the Book is genuine, or that what you happen to say about such things don't amount to doodley squat. You are not my Lord.
Not knowing is no big accomplishment, rocks do it every day. You either drop the insulting and accusing, or I don't respond. Clear?
It is the misled and illusional pastime of some to interpret natural events in a way which baffles those who comprehend philosophical discussions. The explanation of the chicken and the egg type of scenario would have them introduce the metier of a magician to solve the unsolveable. Other generations have justified the explanation of mysteries as witchcraft or sorcery, resulting in ill-named punishment ending in a torturous demise, which compassionate people of the time would claim as justified, even though their belief system decried sadistic and cruel behaviour by others. This contradiction, nay, incongruity, which may have its basis in the bipolar activities of pre-medieval, ignorant and ill-educated ideas about parental duties, is, it might be argued, the essence of population control; the transferance, or displacement, of fear of the wilderness of life in all, to those who are vulnerable, uncertain and in need, by those who are clever (not necessarliy intelligent) with their oratory, threats and apparent knowledge, is a double-edged sword. That fear factor is, in spite of what some might say, in all of us and, it could be said, those who make the loudest proclamations about their sources of spiritual comfort are desparately trying to reinforce their own belief system, built on the sands of beliefs and superstitions of another age. While innovations, discoveries and exploration have helped us to come out of the Middle Ages, there are some who still choose to cling to the old, 'safe,' but uncertain, ideas of previous 'predictions' and myths. We no longer fall off the edge of the World.
Discussing the history, legitimacy, relevance and voracity of a bible, which in itself is a group of documents written in Man's handwriting, with no provable telegraphic, telepathic or other links with an incomprehensible location beyond the stars, and with its history of being translated, altered, interpreted AND selected according to the whims of religious and other 'leaders,' this discussion will not make much difference to anyone. We still have a long way to go in order to live together without aggression, poverty, disease, malnutrition, corruption ...and certain leaders allowing their country to plummet into poverty and a toxic pit of cholera. Stubborness (and an ego the size of an elephant) does nothing to make a leader more compassionate, more caring, no matter what bible he reads.
This is interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdVucvo-kDU&feature=related
And John Carlin has a humourous opinion?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o&NR=1
Warning:Not for the faint-hearted!
Peace.
This is $25million invested (so it MUST be the truth, huh?) in a 'museum' which some might say is a kind of biblical, 'God Inc.', indoor theme park, to fight against the devilish and dastardly Darwin (how-dare-he) theories!
Mike Zovath, co-founder, believes in the literal meaning of the bible. He mixes the hungry dinosaurs with Adam and Eve at one go! Yum yum!
(It must be something in the water there!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzjjxi7f0Oc&feature=related
Anyway, back to the philosophical discussion!
The Decisive Moment.....By Jonah Lehrer Pub: Canongate Books (19th Feb 2009)
ISBN: 9781847673138
"Since Plato, philosophers have described the decision-making process as either rational or emotional: we carefully deliberate or we go with our gut instinct. But as scientists break open the mind's black box with the latest tools of neuroscience, they are discovering that this is not an accurate picture of how the mind works. Our best decisions are a finely-tuned blend of both feeling and reason, and the precise mix depends on the situation."
Publisher's description: "This title shows how the fluctuations of a few dopamine neurons saved a battleship during the Persian Gulf War, and how the fevered activity of a single brain region led to the sub-prime mortgage crisis."
Listen to Wednesday's BBC audio part of the abridged version:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00hzyg9
Peace.
I am not concerned so much with religion and faith here--although I must admit a bonus in addressing these issues with respect to religion.
Of course you don't need my permission! How absurd!
(quit changing the subject)