Obama's Birth Certificate and Republican Nonsense

Mario Piperni,

I agree with you completely on this! I find the ongoing efforts to make a foreigner out of Obama to be truly incredible. I fully expect that, sooner or later, they will "find" a birth certificate from his fathers country and all those "witnesses" who were there at his birth. I can't help but believe the American Supreme Court will accept the sworn statements of the Hawaiian authorities over those produced in a third world country.

There comes a time when it is time to move on!

A sitting US senator repeating wingnut nonsense. Now, he is denying it. That's how foolish these imbeciles are.

I don't know what's the strategy here other than to entice some crazy people to try to take matters into their own hands.

But that's not a "Birth Certificate!" That's a "Certificate of Live Birth!" It says so right on the top. This is a HANGING CHAD I tell you. It's something people can complain about for years, decades, yea centuries to come. And yes it's just as stupid, but you had your eight years of stupid whines against the administration's letigimacy, it's time for the Republicans to have theirs.

In some states, a birth certificate contains less information than a certificate of live birth. The latter is completed at the time birth, at the hospital and can be cross checked with hosptial records. Why have both? Adoptions.

If he was not born a citizen, when did he get naturalized? How did he get that US passport that was breached.

You have to be an ignorant slut, to believe that one can be a non citizen at birth, somehow become a citizen when he was young with a US passport, without being naturalized.

Of course he is a US Citizen, but the Constitution says one must be a Natural Born Citizen in order to be POTUS. It's all the misinformation that makes this issue seem so out on the fringe. And the left doesn't help as they contribute to the misinformation - one has to wonder if on purpose?

My standpoint is this: If there is no issue, why comment? He ran, he won, he is President, so what is your beef? If you truly believe this is a non-issue then leave it alone. Then again, if you feel the need - as an Obama follower - to help quash the issue by furthering the spread of misinformation, then that says to me, you feel there is an issue and you need to do your part to explain it away - by any means you can.

The COLB ONLY states that he was indeed born alive - PERIOD. It is not good enough to get a passport (Trust me. I, too, was born in 1961 and tried using my COLB to get a passport and was told a big NO! - had to send a certified copy of the vaut BC). Now, if you say Obama could get a passport with his COLB but I couldn't, then perhaps I need to file a discrimination suit - which is ridiculous. IF he has a US Passport, then he obviously used a certified copy of his vault BC.

Also, you are reading between the lines of Official comments regarding the COLB and the Passport Administration. Hawaii has NOT confirmed his COLB. They have ONLY confirmed that Obama does indeed have a vault BC - they have seen it and it is on record in accordance with the rules and laws of Hawaii. NO WHERE DOES THAT STATEMENT confirm that the COLB accurately displays the information on the vault copy. They chose their words carefully for a reason - so as not to confirm or deny.

The Passport Administration NEVER said his US Passport information was breached. They said 'passport file'. If you come to the US with a foreign passport, you will STILL have a passport file - but that certainly doesn't mean you have a US Passport (and I'm not suggesting he came here with a foreign passport). We have no clue if Obama has a US Passport because he won't release his records.

It matters not whether he has a certified copy of the BC or what it says. It matters not if he has a US Passport or an Indonesian Passport. What matters is the fact that his father (by Obama's own admission) was a Kenyan national at the time of his birth. This fact, and this fact alone precludes him from being a Natural Born Citizen - IN MY OPINION.

The fact that he was born with dual-loyalities is something the framers of the Constitution wanted to guard against. They wanted the POTUS to be a full generation away from any conflicting loyalty to serving the people of the US. The ONLY way to accomplish this was for the individual to be born to TWO (2) US Citizen parents. In this way you wipe away any conflicting loyalities. Obama can only claim to be FROM the US, he cannot claim the US is HIS country, because of his father's heritage (paternal always trumpts maternal heritage).

So, for the sake of arguement - if you want to disregard his Kenyna/British loyalty, then explain this: Obama travels, on the taxpayers dime, to Kenya - well AFTER his 21st birthday - to campaign for a paternal relative (Odinga) who believes in Sharia Law. The question now is: Did he campaign for Odinga out of loyalty to his father or because he agrees with Odinga politically? Either way, this is NOT a man I want for my president because he either continues to this very day to have dual-loyalties or very SCARY political beliefs.

HOWEVER, the fact remains that he ran, he won, and he is President. If you have no problems with that fact - then why comment? However, if you do comment - please stop spreading misinformation - stop reading between the lines and hearing what you want to hear that was NOT said.

OF COURSE HE IS A US CITIZEN - but he is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

Sally Hill's comment is a good example of why this nonsense will never go away. Facts like Obama's having been born in the US don't seem to matter.

You're absolutley right, Nippy. The part I wrote in my post about people who choose to believe in a conspiracy theory NEVER going to be convinced is so true. They'll always speak of some grey area which is suspicious or whatever.

The bottom line is this: if one truly dislikes Barack Obama - be it his politics or color or whatever...then they'll look for any reason to reinforce their belief...no matter how ridiculous it might be.

Obama can only claim to be FROM the US, he cannot claim the US is HIS country, because of his father's heritage (paternal always trumpts maternal heritage).

The dumbest thing I've ever read.

ditto Jared

Sally Hill - ha ha

So according to Sally, if we think the anti Obama nutcases who insist he is foreign are wrong and say so, it means we also believe he is foreign born.

I don't have a birth cirtificate, neither do my children, they only have the "Certificate of Live Birh" Rgistrations issued by the county.
I was born at home, my first child was born in an urban hospital, my son was born at home.
Sheeseh does that mean I and my children are foreign?

The U. S. Supreme Court has dismissed without hearing 7 - S E V E N of these crackpot appeals.

The nut cases cling to this like saran wrap to itself.

Mario and nippy,

Have to agree with the two of you! This is ridiculous, the state of Hawaii has confirmed this document as the official state statement that Obama was born there. But no one who truly hates Obama will ever accept that.

I used to think people who thought like this were harmless. I'm inclined just the same to let them wallow on this one. Convinced that a person who doesn't look like them might actually be a U.S. citizen, too -- they would only move on to the threat to my marriage and Christmas goose his Muslim kindergarten experience represents. ;-)

Soldier doubts eligibility, defies president's orders
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89837
'As an officer, my sworn oath to support and defend our Constitution requires this'

A U.S. soldier on active duty in Iraq has called President Obama an "impostor" in a statement in which he affirmed plans to join as plaintiff in a challenge to Obama's eligibility to be commander in chief.

As an active-duty officer in the United States Army, I have grave concerns about the constitutional eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama to hold the office of president of the United States," wrote Scott Easterling in a "to-whom-it-may-concern " letter.

Obama "has absolutely refused to provide to the American public his original birth certificate, as well as other documents which may prove or disprove his eligibility," Easterling wrote. "In fact, he has fought every attempt made by concerned citizens in their effort to force him to do so."
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I hope more active duty Military follow Scott.

Scott is a Patriot!!!!

Scott is delusional.

All active Military should follow Scott. Obama is a usurper and is constitutionally not qualified to be POTUS:
1. The COLB posted on line has been proven to be fraud by experts.
2. The State of Hawaii HAS NOT CONFIRMED Obama was born there only that birth certificate exists in their records (It's probably a Kenyan Birth Certificate).
3. Relatives and the Kenyan Ambassdor have confirmed Obama was born in Kenya.
4. Obama was born with dual nationalities and subjected to FOREIGN Juristication at the instant of his birth.
5. Obama lost his US Citizenship and became an Indonesian Citizen when he was adopted by his Indonesian Step-Father. (Indonesia did not allow for Duel Citizenship.)
6. Obama may be in Fact Barry Soetoro and it unknown on whether he has legally changed his name.
7. There is reason to believe that Obama enrolled as a Foriegn student while attending Occidential College.

I'm not quite sure why people choose to believe this. Why would a US senator try to fuel the flames of something so ridiculous when asked about it off the cuff? Of course, he later recanted when pressed for further comment because it was so obviously ridiculous. But why was his first instinct to support the notion rather than state the obvious?

Jared says the only reason he could come up with for the behavior is that they guy wants to encourage people to take action on their own.

Mario suggests that people like this senator just doesn't like Obama for whatever reason, and so will latch onto any idea that reinforces their beliefs.

I think it's entirely hyper-partisan politics by this senator. He'll take any opportunity to undermine support for his political "opponents", as long as he doesn't suffer any fallout. He'll happily support a whisper campaign, forward some delusional emails, step out of the way of false but favorable attacks on his enemies, etc., as long as his actions won't be exposed to the majority of Americans who aren't so gullible and have some principles about honesty. It's not unlike a candidate who hears false claims of an opponent at his campaign rallies and doesn't set the record straight. But he's still implicit in the action because the silence condones the claims.

Nobody should elect people who are so willing to sink to such low levels.

This is so simple folks. So simple most people fail to see it. American Citizen is one thing, Natural Born American is quite another and a much higher standard of eligibility only required of a President or Vice President. Required to make sure the highest official or our Great Country has no actual or apparent ties to other countries or groups. These Natural Born Americans have to have been born in America to parents who are Americans Citizens and have no ties to other groups or countries. If one parent was born in Kenya and therefore was a British subject he had to give his new born son his British citizenship. How on earth could this not be the case? Why does everyone overlook the simple fact that Barack Husein Obama Sr. was not an American, was a Kenyan, and therefore a English citizen. Therefore if he had a son born anywhere on this earth, he transfered his British citizenship to his son. Being a British citizen at birth makes any person ineligible to hold the office of President of the United States of America because they are not Natural Born. All this other nonsense is just smoke to cover up the true fire that is raging within America now. His Father was a foreigner. That alone makes him at least a person with dual citizenships. That makes him not a Natural Born Citizen of America. America elected a foreigner President of the United States. The question we need to discuss now is what "WE" are going to do about this mistake and when. Time will not let this situation continue without challenge. The world knows this better than we do. Read the foreign press. Wake Up America!

From Wikipedia: "Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are ,citizens of the United States at birth:' Anyone born inside the United States.... " So it doesn't matter if your parents were from Mars, if you are born here, you're a natural-born citizen.

//1. The COLB posted on line has been proven to be fraud by experts.// Actually, the opposite is true. The COLB has NOT been "proven to be fraud". Logon to Factcheck.org and see for yourself - http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html.

//Obama was born with dual nationalities and subjected to FOREIGN Juristication at the instant of his birth... Obama lost his US Citizenship and became an Indonesian Citizen when he was adopted by his Indonesian Step-Father. // Huh? What does THAT mean? Adoption by a foreign national doesn't automatically negate your citizenship status. And what does "subjected to foreign jurisdiction" mean? btw factcheck also has set the record straight about his so-called dual citizenship: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/corsis_dull_hatchet.html.

I doubt that James Youngblood, Steve K., or any of the other conspiracy theorists will bother to log onto either of those pages. It would ruin a perfectly good fantasy.

Yea, yea. Cheer them on to a certain court martial from your easy chair, James.

Couldn't believe my ears when I heard Sen. Shelby asking to see the birth certificate! The people who put him in office the first time must be embarrassed as all get out!

Jeannie B., you are like most, confused by the phrase CITIZEN. A wet back can swim the Rio Grand, hitch a ride to an American hospital, have her child delivered for free, and that child as current law reads, is an American Citizen. Sad but true! But that child IS NOT A NATURAL BORN AMERICAN! Arnold Swatzneger is an American citizen and Governor of the once Great State of California, but he is not a NATURAL BORN AMERICAN! Arnold can not run for nor be elected President of the United States. It seems people define Natural Born Citizen within their heads with no history of what our founding fathers were actually saying. Do some research and discover what the founding fathers were saying when they put the words NATURAL BORN in our Constitution. Wake UP!

A wet back? Decent people do not talk this way.

Obama is definitely not "Natural Born". This is 100%!

From Fight the Smears:
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children."

US Title Code Section 8 1401
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

This language is similiar in nature to the 14th Admendent of the US Constitution.
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Notice the phrase in both the US Title Code and 14th Admendment of the US Constitution:

"subject to the jurisdiction thereof"

What does this mean?

John Bingham who was father and Chief Framer of the 14th Admendment clarified what this meant:

"[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…. . ."

Obama is simply NOT a "Natural Born" Citizen.

There is no way Obama can ever a "Natural Born" Citizen.

Obama's father was Kenyan and was NOT a US Citizen.

Obama is NOT a "Natural Born" citizen and is constitutionally inelegible to be POTUS.

LOL. When the email starts out, "This is 100%" that's when I stop reading. Especially if it is from one of my ethnophobic kin who still believes Obama is a Muslim, a Manchurian Muslim, who hates white people and is out to make Muslim socialists slaves to Allah of us all. You should file a lawsuit, James. Especially with this kind of evidence.

Steve, Arnold Schwarzenegger was born in Austria.

And why do I keep seeing people who say crazy things appealing to everyone or to America to "Wake up!"... Perhaps you should take your own advice, "wake up", and do that research you're telling everyone to do, because clearly you haven't done it yourself.



James, where do you see anything about parents in the 14th amendment?

"James, where do you see anything about parents in the 14th amendment? "

John Bingham who was father and Chief Framer of the 14th Admendment clarified what 14th Admendment meant:

"[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…. . ."

"parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen"

There it is everyone!

To be a "Natural Born" citizen, you must:

1. Be Born on US Soil.
2. Be Born to 2 US Citizens.

Obama is a US citizen

Obama is NOT a "Natural Born" US Citizen.

(paternal always trumpts maternal heritage).
Huh? Tell that to a Jewish mama!!
LOL

Alright. Read my latest post which answers much of the nonsense from Obama conspiracy theorists.

Conservative Conspiracy Theories and Other Fairy Tales

It's certainly not conspirecy theory as the Main Stream Media wants you to believe.

This is a very valid and credible issue.

Military Personel, Electors Officials, and former Presidential candidates all have grave concerns over Obama's elegiblity to be POTUS.

The media has been completely corrupt over this issue and has little credibility in regards to this issue.

Philip Berg has his 4 lawsuits still pending.

Dr. Orly Taitz will soon present her lawsuit with over 50 active and inactive military personel along with a State Elected officials about Obama's eligibility.

Hopefully, millitary personel will finally have standing to question Obama since they must follow his orders.

Even with all these lawsuits that have already been dismissed, still no court has ever looked at the merits of this issue.

Berg hopes that it will be only a matter time before some judge will not dismiss the case and will finally investigate the merits of this issue.

When that happens, Obama will be finished.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-fJiarLtew
Allan Keyes has strong words about Obama
The Communist Usurper that supports infanticide is out to destroy this country.

Obama is a Usurper!

The whole issue that people don't "get" about this whole thing is not who you voted for or just because Obama was voted in ..does it matter to you if he is "Constitutionally" qualified???
This is about our constitution and whether or not you understand why our Constitution exists in the first place!..it is the foundation for what has made America everything it has become!!!...so there are reasons in the first place for this Law(presidents having a certain Qualification) I would suggest everyone to ponder for a moment and come up with your own conclusion as to why this Law is in our constitution..then this will all make sense!
Now we as a people can "vote" and change this law if we choose...however ,,we have not done that yet..so as of now,,,,right now ,,,even,, Arnold Schwartzenegger(only an example) could not qualify for the President of the United States..do you get it????
Just ask yourself a primary question before anything else..should a would-be president "Qualify" according to the constitution or not???
..thats all we as americans should expect..thats not asking for the world is it??...no..all were asking for is his vault certificate to prove it..and he won't and hasn't and will not show it???...so cmon America..lets unite more on this ..as americans ,,,why can't you see this?...He Constitutionally does not qualify!
Lets just confront it,,,its not the end of the world...we will have to appoint a new president is all...and learn from this once and for all,, so it doesn't happen again!

-Thanks

"To be a "Natural Born" citizen, you must:

1. Be Born on US Soil.
2. Be Born to 2 US Citizens."



LOL! Then John McCain is not eligible to be president, since he was born in Panama...

Absolutely hilarious!



Oh, and you say the constitution's own words clearly explain these special requirements you insist do exist, right? Well, why not just show that? Simple.



Of course, you'll find nothing of the sort.


Usurper, lol. Usurper of King George II I suppose...

DB 10

The ignorance of folks here.

There are only 2 types of citizens. Those who are natural born or those who are naturalized. Natural and Naturalized. Get it?

Naturalization is a legal procedure. Anybody who has a US passport was either natural born or naturalized.

Obama was never naturalized, hence he was natural born. Those who were challenging him, were doing so on the basis that he should have not been considered natural born and/or he was not born in this country. The idiot senator belongs he the second group by claiming that nobody has seen a birth certificate.

Check out my followup on delusional conspiracy theories concerning Obama.

Conservative Conspiracy Theories and Other Fairy Tales

OF COURSE HE IS A US CITIZEN - but he is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

If he a citizen and Not a Natural Born Citizen, then he was Naturalized by an officer of the court.
You speak with such an authority that you sound like you know what you are talking about when in fact you know nothing.

How funny we, Americans, have no idea what NATURALIZATION is. My father was naturalized. I was born in this country making me automatically a natural born regardless of the nationality (ies) of my parents.

Did you know the term "Natural Born" is not defined in the constitution?

Did you know the US Supreme Court looked into this and dismissed the case?

Look at the spelling of the folks pushing this. It says a lot about them.

..A. Panama was under the United state jurisdiction at the time Mcain was born there(always known and always disclosed by Mcain willingly)

B. John Mcains parents were U.S. ctizens when he was born (always known .always disclosed by Mcain willingly)

C. John Mcains vault certificate..presented by John Mcain himself to prove all this (always know,always disclosed by Mcain willingly)

..Now..lets look at the facts on the Obama side...


A never would show the DNC anything! (not known, never disclosed, allways unwilling )

B Never will show any private citizen ( still not known, never disclosed, allways unwilling)

C. Continues not to show the American people!!! (you know the rest,,, lets just face it..)

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Isn't contunueing to not know the truth just like saying:


1)"hey ,,they where supposed to check , but they didn't....so now it doesn't matter

2)he got the majority votes..so forget about it..I'm afraid of the consequences

3)I don't care about our constitution..if he got in under the radar....thats ok?????


Now cmon...is any of this even right? .... of course not

Piyush Jindal, aka Bobby Jindal, governor of Louisiana was born in the US from TWO parents from India.

From wingnuts definition (both parents, inside this country), Piyush Jindal is not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

LOL.

IS BOBBY JINDAL A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN SINCE BOTH OF HIS PARENTS ARE BORN OUTSIDE THE US?

I can give a hoot about Obama's COLB.

I want to see Obama's Vault Copy Birth Certificate.

This is document that Obama has $1,000,000.00 to prevent the American People from seeing.

I can almost certainly guarantee that if Obama's Vault Copy Birth Certifcate states he was born in Hawaii, we would have seen it by now.

The reason why we havn't seen it is that Obama's Vault Copy Birth Certificate inidicates that he was born is Kenya.

It is the only reasonable explanation.

Jimmy, pick a conspiracy and stick with it. You're apparently giving up on the idea that the constitution says something about parents that you wish it did that would disqualify Obama, and now you're switching to contending that he wasn't even born in the US and the birth records of Hawaii are unreliable, or have been planted, or whatever you want to go with... If you're so convinced by the facts of a particular conspiracy theory, it sure makes you look silly when you so readily drop one and pick up another.

Just go look up your conspiracy of choice at snopes.com

Or you probably think they're in on it too...

If Jindal's Parents were naturlized as US Citizens when they gave birth to him in the US, then Jindal would qualify. However, if either of Jindal's parents were not US Citizens (India Citizens) at time of his birth, then Jindal is NOT a "Natural Born" citizen.

About Jindal:
"His father, Raj, left India and his ancestral family village of Khanpura in 1970 and his parents took their citizenship oaths later that year to become naturalized citizens."

Jindal Qualifies

Obama is Not a "Natural Born" Citizen because Obama's father was Kenyan and not a US Citizen (Even a Naturalized One). The British Nationality Act which Obama's Father was under the juristication of stipulated that any children that Obama Sr. had would also be subject to juristication of the British Nationality Act as well.

When Obama was born, Obama was under US Juristication but was also under juristication of the British Nationality Act as well.

Both the US Title Code and 14th Admendment both stipulate that persons born in the US must be subject to the US juristication thereof(Sole juristication) to be considered a US Citizen at Birth.

Obama does not qualify.

Of course Jindal qualifies. Not according to the definition wingnuts float around.

if either of Jindal's parents were not US Citizens (India Citizens) at time of his birth

What kind? Natural born? They are not. They were naturalized.

The other thing you copied from wikipedia. Nobody enters the country and becomes citizen the next yeat. I repeat, nobody. You have to have a green card for three years at least (for non us citizens members of the Armed forces, yes Armed forces, or for those getting citzenship through their spouse) or five years (for everyone else).

At the time of his birth, his parents were naturalized citizens. What makes him natural born? The fact that he is born in the country? No not enough according to your definition. Both parents have to be Americans. Natural Born Americans according to wingnuts.

India does not recognize dual citizenships. According to India, Piyush Jindal aka Bobby Jindal is their citizen. Can we have a president with dual citizenship?

It is called dual citizenship until age18. Only one parent has to be a US citizen for the children to be a US citizen even if they were born in another country. This is information that I learned in a high school US Government back in the 1960s.


Or if you prefer the language used by our US Citizenship and Immigration Services online site:

Citizenship

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. - XIV Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

Citizenship is one of the most coveted gifts that the U.S. government can bestow, and the most important immigration benefit that USCIS can grant. Most people become U.S. citizens in one of two ways:

By birth, either within the territory of the United States or to U.S. citizen parents, or
By Naturalization.
In addition, in 2000, Congress passed the Child Citizenship Act (CCA), which allows any child under the age of 18 who is adopted by a U.S. citizen and immigrates to the United States to acquire immediate citizenship.

This channel of USCIS.gov will give you information on the various paths to citizenship.

This page can be found at http://www.uscis.gov/citizenship

Here is the Clincher:
Senate Resolution Regarding McCain on Natural Citizenship Status
http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html
“Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen,” said Leahy. “I expect that this will be a unanimous resolution of the Senate.”

“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied.



“That is mine, too,” said Leahy.

More....

"Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen."

Secretary Chertoff. My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen.



Chairman Leahy. That is mine, too. Thank you.

Obama was not born to American Citizen ParentS.

Obama does not Qualify!

Mario;

How did you attract all of the aluminum foil hat brigade to one post?

Do you have the theme from the X-Files playing subliminally in the background?

Kenyan Ambassdor Confirms Obama's Kenyan Birth
http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916
Clark: “We want to congratulate you on Barack Obama, our new president, and you must be very proud.”

Ogego: “We are. We are. We are also proud of the U.S. for having made history as well.”

Fellhauer: “One more quick question, President-elect Obama’s birthplace over in Kenya, is that going to be a national spot to go visit, where he was born?”

Ogego: “It’s already an attraction. His paternal grandmother is still alive.”

Fellhauer: “His birthplace, they’ll put up a marker there?”

Ogego: “It would depend on the government. It’s already well known.”


The Kenyan Ambassdor tried to backpedal after he discovered his big Boo Boo.

He thought they talking about Obama's father.

The Kenyan Ambassdor's argument has little.

If you listen to audio clip is Overhwhelmingly obvious that they are talking about Obama and not his father.

There is really no way the Kenyan Ambassdor could have been confused.

You might find my comment silly and the dumbest thing you've ever read; however, I formed that thought from a text I read: The Laws of Nations. A text of Principles of the Law of Nature Applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns. This 1758 work by Swiss legal philosopher Emmerich de Vattel is of special importance to scholars of constitutional history and law, for it was read by many of the FOUNDERS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and informed their understanding of the principles of law which became established in the Constitution of 1787.

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

So, let me get this straight....you must feel that our founding fathers were rather dumb for reading such a silly book. Tell that to SCOTUS who has quoted from the book many times in writing their historical legal decisions.

And Illusionist - the cases were NOT dismissed. They are all still pending...just sitting there...pending. They were not heard based on STANDING, not MERIT. Therefore, you really cannot say with any certainty that the issue is moot. SCOTUS has taken the cowardice way out, by leaving the cases pending - they are afraid of what will happen in the streets of the nation should they hear these cases. If they KNEW there was no substance, why not just hear the case and rule in favor of Obama to put the issue to rest? WHY? Because they know they can't, but they also know they cannot afford to properly hear the case either.

I cannot understand why every American would not want this settled - why would you not want to hold your President accountable to the law. If he is found to be Natural Born, then fine and wonderful - but anything is possible and what if - just what if - he is NOT?

Even Bill Richardson knows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaBCCw9JjfQ

If he is found to be Natural Born, then fine and wonderful -

The US supreme court did on December 5th.


Back to Piyush Jindal, that's going to be asked in due time, by wingnuts from GOP during the GOP primaries. They do that.

Well, you can say that since the cases are still pending in SCOTUS that they ruled on December 5th, but I'm not quite that gullible. But maybe if you say it enough times, more and more people will believe it - certainly seems to be what most are trying these days.

I'm also not gullible enough to believe everything I read on Wiki. I highly doubt that Jindal's parents were naturalized by the time he was born - thus he is NOT a natural born citizen either. The came here DURING his mother's pregnancy with him - and from what I understand on student VISA's - therefore, it is highly doubtful they were able to become naturalized prior to his birth.

I don't understand why some of you have to make it so difficult and confusing. If your parents naturalize prior to your birth - then you are born to two (2) US Citizen parents - your natural born. If one or both of your parents are not US Citizens prior to birth - even on US Soil - you are simply a US Citizen and not natural born. It's pretty simple and very common sense stuff.

Alan - might want to do some research on that decision that was handed down on December 5th. I'd like to know which one of the Justices wrote it and heck, I'd even like to read it! Unfortunately, they didn't hear the case based on STANDING. Apparently, although we are all taxpayers, we don't have any rights. If it had been heard on its MERITS - I'm pretty sure Obama would no longer be giving that speech tonight.

All of the cases thus far have fallen due to standing and juristication. No court has rendered decision on the merits.

SCOTUS is a court of limited jurstication and can refuse a case for any number of reasons.

SCOUT has never rendered a decision on the merits.

No court has.

One day, some court is going to decide to look into this issue and when that happens, Obama will be finished.

James, a person can be a natural born citizen if they are born outside the US but have a US citizen as parent. That's why McCain is clearly a natural born citizen in your "clincher"... Obama's mother is a US citizen, but that doesn't even matter since he was born in the US.


BTW, you guys hear about the controlled implosion of the World Trade Center? The experts confirmed the evidence!

...bottom line truth thats peoples ego for some reason or another won't accept, but will at some pount is..Obama is not a natural born citizen and therefore is not qualified period.

I think the bigger fear is what to do next..

...thats easy...appoint a new president ...and move on..its that simple.


...now lets get on with it ...the sooner the better,,because the more bills that get passed under him(Obama),,,the more bills that will become null and void,..its going to be a little uncomfortable for some..but we all will know in the long run its the best and only right thing we had to do.-thanks ,

This is beating a dead horse Obama is not only president but odds are he'll be a two term one at that.

...too bad you don't beleive in our constitution!..thank god most people do..its really whats makes you a true american or not ..

Why are we so worried about what are termed ANCHOR babies stealing our jobs and resources if they are NOT citizens.................... even if they were born here? 'Splain it to me............. and Loud Obbs please.

Birthright citizenship in the United States of America follows from a hybrid rule of jus soli and jus sanguinis. Under the American system, any person born within the United States (including the overseas territories of Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and the Northern Mariana Islands) and subject to its jurisdiction is automatically granted U.S. citizenship, [1] as are many (though not all) children born to American citizens overseas.

When accorded automatic birthright citizenship based on birth on American soil, a newborn's status is generally unaffected by the legal status or citizenship of that individual's mother or father.

In Wong Kim Ark, the court thoroughly discussed “natural born citizen”. And in doing so, Justice Gray quoted directly from the holding in a prior Supreme Court case, Minor v. Happersett. The following passage is a quote from Minor as quoted by Justice Gray in Wong Kim Ark:

” ‘At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country, of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further, and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction, without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens.’ Minor v. Happersett (1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-168.”

Here is the other Clincher.
Some authorities go further, and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction, without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens.’ Minor v. Happersett (1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-168.”

Obama is NOT Natural Born Citizen!

You mean he was was grown in a petri dish?

Horrors!

James, are you an attorney?

Ape - yes, the ANCHOR babies are Citizens. But what you seem to be missing is the fact that they are NOT natural born citizens because both of their parents are NOT US Citizens. Even if just one is a US Citizen - not enough. Both have to be in order for that baby to be a NBC. Thus the term - ANCHOR - US Citizen anchored to the soil of the US with no other ties.

So sorry Tim, but McCain was not a Natual Born Citizen either. Why do you think they passed the non-binding resolution to allow him to run? You think Obama helped sponsor that resolution just because McCain's citizen status was NOT in question? Geeze.

McCain, while born to two (2) US Citizens, was NOT born on US Soil, or even soil that was under the sovereignty of the US. He was born, according to his certified copy of his BC (you know that paper that Obama refuses to release along with all his other sealed and so called lost records) born in a hospital in Colon, Panama. McCain was a dual-citizen at birth as well! The hospital on the naval base where his father was stationed was not built until after his birth. So...McCain, like Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen. And you can bet your bottom dollar that there was a darn good reason why Obama was in on the sponsorship of that resolution - after the shinanigans he pulled in Illinois to get his competition thrown off the ballot, I don't exactly see him doing so out of the goodness of his heart.

Likewise, one would have to ponder his connection to the law firm that did so much research prior to his run for office on why the "Natural Born Citizen" requirement needs to be repealed. As well as why did his campaign staff do an indepth study in how candidates in the past had been vetted with regards to paperwork required to prove eligibility to be placed on the ballot as a Presidential candidate.

Is is true he is working on repealing the 2 year Presidential term limit? Wouldn't surprise me.

Have any of you wondered if any OTHER US President was not Natural Born? How many other Presidents do you think have been elected under the same circumstances as Obama?

And I'm quite surprised that no one has had comment with regards to his endorsing and campaigning for a paternal Kenyan relative. I think that speaks volumes about where his loyalities continue to be to this very day. The fact that Odinga endorses Sharia Law, and that Obama endorsed Odinga is very troubling to me. Actions speak much louder than words.

I still can't believe people are still harping on this. If any of this were true, McCain/Palin people would have been all over it.


Scott is a Patriot!!!!
James Youngblood, Feb 24, 2009, 1:42pm EST

Scott, risks being sent home with "Misconduct" or "Personality Disorder" which in turn would mean he would loose any claims to veteran benefits. Plus he also insults all the Other military personel doing their jobs.

Scott is an idiot, and he risks a court-martial. I hope it's worth it to him.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html

Seems like the controversy should be settled. I don't know why President Obama spent so much money avoiding the issue. Why not just give the people what they want?

...McCain knew it was too late in the race to make it an issue..there just wasn't enough time since it would of been right to the court to prove...which it is now..thank goodness! The strongest bet will be with our armed forces uniting agaunst Obama .. in question of the "so-called" commander in cheif...what soldier could be confident taking orders from someone (not even qualfied!) under these conditions???...know one!

...Lets just get a new president appointed ASAP!,,,its that easy..and make sure this doesn't ever happen again..Damn it!

You wanna make that a bet, Jimmy?

Loser leaves Gather forever.

I'm willing to do it?

You got the stones?

Linda;

What money did he spend? Where's your proof?

Hmmm, Jimmy and Linda both suddenly dissapear.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Erik B...I got the stones,,,its already happening..I don't see it going away or any way of this thing being able to be stopped .its rather obvious if you really think about it...you've already lost the bet my friend..ha ha ha

"...Lets just get a new president appointed ASAP!,,,its that easy..and make sure this doesn't ever happen again..Damn it!" - Jimmy Franklin

Would that be a white Republican President, Jimmy?

Is it a bet, Jimmy?

You don't see it going away? WTF are you, Karnak?

Lay it out here, Jimmy.

Let's see it, write the words.

Mario,,,cmon,,,pulling the "race" card out ...is losing battle already....that reflects on you sir

..ok..ha ha ha..how about this one,,Kirk Douglas,henry Kissinger, Richard M Nixon,....(wthap..envelope blown open)

...name a Kirk. a Turk, and a Jerk!...

...basically to answer your question...YES!

No, Jimmy, at least have the balls to put the courage of your convictions on the line.

I will leave gather, never to return, if there's a military revolt against the commander in chief.

If you can't say that, you've got no cajones.

Listen, Jimmy...if you don't think that much of this BS over Obama's origin of birth is because of his color and/or Muslim connections, as well as his politics, then you're not understanding it.

And don't give me the "pulling the race card" crap. You know exactly what I'm saying. If Obama was white with an Australian father do you think we'd have the same fuss over his status as a U.S. citizen? Do you?

Mario;

Bobby Jindal is an anchor baby. According to the logic displayed by these poseurs, he's not eligible to be president. Of course, neither would George Washington.

Tell you what Erik...the most amazing thing here is not even what these guys are saying. I've come to learn that Reps are capable of saying anything. The shocker is knowing that these guys ACTUALLY BELIEVE what they're saying. They believe this stuff 'cause they NEED to believe it.

Having Barack Obama as their president is just too much for their senses to accept and therefore they need to justify their feelings in what they think is rational thought. It's all quite sad, I think.

..nope..I sure don't..as a matter of fact,,I think hes gotten away with it this far because of it!...he's the first african american to be voted in..and people are protecting it because they think it would be such a tragedy;;

...The reality..doesn't matter...a white guy that was smart enough ...could of pulled off the same way /scam(not qualified) too and got caught!...no difference...there's your race-card thing settled..

why don't you stick to the issue..which is the constitution..instead of bringing up everything else?...the only question you have is whether or not you beleive the president should be "qualified" ,,according to "our constitution..thats the only question about this...everything after that is secondary..got it?..then if you agree with constitution you will understand everything here...if you do not agree with the constitution than theres no sense in any further discussion..thats it!

What the people want? What's that? His copy of a birth certificate, of which the original is held in records in Hawaii and has already been provided for the media to examine for authenticity and which the officials say is official?

What these nuts want is to continue to be delusional hoping they eventually get something worthwhile if they keep trying. That Obama is a scary man to them, so surely he's hiding something. They can FEEL it. No matter what is done to appease their wild claims, they'll just keep moving on to the next thing. First the birth certificate wasn't real, or it was a forgery, or Hawaii is part of a conspiracy, or it's obviously doctored, or is his sister's with the name changed, or somehow the laws require citizenship on the part of his father, or whatever the case may be.

Heck, even right here in this single comments section we've got people arguing multiple different ways that Obama isn't a natural born citizen and they seem to have no pause while switching between them. It's extraordinary. It's just as I said... they're desperate to believe that somehow, in some way, that what they've been led to believe is true. Then method doesn't matter. Reasonableness doesn't matter. Just assume there's a way to make it true, even if means beleiving two contradictory methods at the same time.


Sally, you're wrong. McCain was indeed a natural born citizen. What you're talking about was a non-binding resolution that simply recognized that he was a natural born citizen. You know what non-binding means? They can't just decide to overturn the constitution with a vote, and they certainly weren't amending the constitution, especially not with a "non-binding" resolution... He was already a natural born citizen, and they were just making sure that this status was clear given his unusual circumstances. (As if they could just decide to make in one after the fact, lol...)

Tim M...See..your wrongly informed..the certificate has not been provided..thats why its on court..Dah???

...and to answer your reference to McCain..I wish we could be as satified by Obamas certificate as we are McCains,,,because Obama has not, and will not,and never will willingly provide it!..another really big Dah???

Jimmy, it's been noted that the State Department, which has looked at the matter and seen all relevant documents, is satisfied that all is in order. Why would that not satisfy you?

Do you need to actually hold Obama's birth certificate in your hands? Do you think the State Department is part of some evil conspiracy?

...I hope you not a troll in disquise..what ever information you have is what youve read by a person who wrote some article...now..when you look at the transcipts of what the hawaii officials said exactly ,,word for word,,you again will understand more..yes ,,they said they "looked" at it...they said "they had it in their possesion"...and they also stated the "they" (hawaii) ,,"is in accordance with all state laws"...THATS ALL THAT THEY SAID!!!

...now..if you want to make more of what they said...thats up to you...what I and everyone else wants to know...is...(drum roll please!)...is what the certificatte says on it???

...they have not said what it SAYS ON IT...repeat,,THEY HAVE NOT SAID WHAT IT SAYS ON IT!

....DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH?

Mario...a bigger question you might ask yourself now knowing exactly what "wasn't said" by Hawaai...how can you possibly "be" satisfied???

...and since you didn't acknowlege back on the race card thing.,,and switched to another Non-issue...we'll just note at this point.. I won that one.

For all your lovely melodrama, Jimmy, you have not answered the question.

A) If the U.S. State Department is satisfied that all is in order, why are you not satisfied?

B) Do you believe the State Dept. is in on the 'conspiracy'?

Jimmy, in all honesty, you're probably a decent guy, but it's getting increasingly difficult to take you seriously. You're talking crazy talk, buddy.