A shaman, as defined by Michael Harner in his book The Way of the Shaman, is thus: "A man or woman who enters an altered state of consciousness - at will - in order to contact and utilize an ordinarily hidden reality in order to acquire knowledge, power, and to help others. The shaman has at least one, and usually more, "spirits' in his personal service."
I've gotten about a third of the way through this book, and I had to stop reading because I kept having this thought of Jesus as a shaman, and I kept seeing that dove at his baptism. Not only that, but verses of scripture kept popping in my mind with scenes like the transfiguration, and all those instantaneous healings he'd done. I just couldn't read further because of all the distraction of these images.
The so-called "civilized" world has other words for shamanism, such as magician, sorcerer, witch doctor, and medicine man, making it seem like an evil and barbaric thing to practice, but I have to wonder if some folks have misinterpreted the practice. Jesus was a healer, and we are told plainly that he did have contact with the spirit realm. Was that Dove his spirit guide or power animal?
And, well, Jesus was all about helping others. He did go off in between all those healings and teachings, to the garden many times, for solitude, as we are told, to pray. What was he really doing in there? Could he have been in an altered state of consciousness? He even went to the wilderness where he was tempted, but could this also have been an altered state of consciousness? After all, this Satan character is never really visible to anyone, is he?
And then, I had wonder if John, the writer of Revelation, was also a shaman, because the in first chapter of Harner's book he, an atheist, enters this altered state of consciousness and sees basically the same thing John saw, which scripture is later revealed to him by missionaries he meets up with.
The following is an excerpt from the book about the experience Michael Harner had while in an altered state of consciousness in the jungles of South America, followed by the scripture from Revelation that John had:
"As my eyes seemed to adjust to the gloom, the moving scene revolved itself into something resembling a huge funhouse, a supernatural carnival of demons. In the center, presiding over the activities, and looking directly at me, was a gigantic crocodilian head, from whose cavernous jaws gushed a torrential flood of water...... I was told that this new material was being presented to me because I was dying and therefore "safe" to receive these revelations. These were the secrets reserved for the dying or dead, I was informed. I could only very dimly perceive the givers of these thoughts: giant reptilian creatures reposing sluggishly at the lowermost depths of the back of my brain, where it met the top of the spinal column. I could only vaguely see them in what seemed to be the gloomy, dark depths. Then they projected a visual scene in front of me. First they showed me the planet Earth as it was eons ago, before there was any life on it. I saw an ocean, barren land, and bright blue skies. Then black specks dropped from the sky by the hundreds and landed before me on the barren landscape. I could see that the specks were actually large, shiny black creatures with stubby pterodactyl-like wings and huge whale-like bodies. Their heads were not visible to me. They flopped down utterly exhausted from their trip, resting for eons. They explained to me in a kind of thought language that they were fleeing from something out in space. They had come to the planet Earth to escape their enemy. Then the creatures showed me how they had created life on the planet in order to hide within multitudinous forms, and thus disguise their presence........ They were the true masters of humanity and the entire planet, they told me." (end excerpt)
"Revelations 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood. 12:7-9 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon fought, and his angels. And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels with him."
So, was the whole symbology of John's Revelation the result of a shamanic journey into another dimension where this scene plays out over and over again for the dying and dead?
What really struck me was that later Michael Harner was relating this same experience to another shaman, and the response he received was, "Oh, they (the demons) are always saying that. But they are only Masters of Outer Darkness." But Michael had omitted the part about their arrival from space. So, evidently this shaman had also experienced and perhaps heard of this experience from other shaman.
And so, the question bears asking: What did Jesus really mean when he stated: You will do greater things than I? Could he have been talking about masses of people entering altered states of consciousness?
Shamanism is found in practically every culture on this planet in some form or another, and not all of them used hallucinatory plant matter in order to reach another level of consciousness. Some used drumming, some used rattles, some entered sacred circles, and some just danced, while others in the east merely meditated. We're told that Mary, the mother of Jesus, pondered all these things in her heart, which to me, is meditation. Could she have been in an altered state of consciousness when she saw that angel?
Hmm, many stories in the Bible are beginning to make more sense to me. How about that talking donkey? Perhaps shamanism was widely practiced before the Inquisition?????




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For the purpose of this post we shall assume Jesus was an actual person. I'm not looking for evidence of that, because that was not the topic.
Of course we can pretty much interpret the Bible, Nostradamus and others in many ways. The literal is the impossible but the altered states and referance to the Arcturian (space) origins are coming more to the fore nowadays as well. Interesting read!
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I am sure you know as well as I do that we are all capable of being shamans if we had the courage to step back from the physical world and fully tap into the spiritual. Some call it the Universal Pool of Knowledge or the God Sphere. The ancient Chinese ackowledged it and called it the Tao.
Well again I see have have gone beyond the purpose of this article but I am almost 68 years old and my mind wanders.
Georgie, you ought to consider joining us over on Losing Your Religion. Your wisdom would be on great service there.
Karen, that was wonderfully said, and I agree.
Jean, I thought they were just great teachers, but back then I didn't know much about shamanism. Now that I am learning, it makes a whole lot of sense to me.
Interceding heaven and earth
dancing the chasm between
oh caste of my dharma
soul of my destiny
riding out on desolate plains
skies of colors, dark, forbidding
sending rays of electric
necessity, intensity, urgency
leaping my heart, my loins, my essence
grabbing onto the giver of lessons
my liege, my lord, my spirit guide
my lips parched, fever rising
every time, every blessed day
spirit demands, demands, demands
quivering answer, conduit, lightning rod.
There was a river, winding, singing, running free.
Groves of trees worshipped by wild flowers
graced her shores, deep roots feeding
on the energy of life.
Beat of the forest running through
each seed, each buzzing bee, each tadpole
finding its exquisite form
rushing through its seasons
they whisper to me
quiet strands of symphony
speaking directly to my blood.
I am changed, charged with a mutant energy
building through my veins and sinews
pulling me into a sacred tradition
reason insists doesn't exist.
Test me.
Give me your pain, your sorrow, your utter despair
give me the very essence of your disease
give me the ugly unacknowledged child
hidden in the basement of your soul.
I have seen worse, done worse, been worse
in my days of schooling.
The fever has blessed me. Burnt away the unholy
castings of the curse
the sacrifice
leaving me ready
unembarassed, unafraid, unencumbered
moving to the liminal rhythm
conjoining heaven and earth.
(c) March 4, 2006 Laurie Corzett
Thank you for sharing
May the Lord Bless you & keep you and your family & there family close to his heart!!! In the name of Jesus!!! "
Is John of the Revelation also St. John of the Cross, or are they different people?
I am a Christian. I do believe that Jesus is Gods son and died for us and rose again and assended into heaven and now sits on the right hand of God making intersession for us. There are more things in Gods universe that we have not discovered as of yet. I'm finding more and more new things in the Bible today that have been there all the time but because my capability to understand them wasn't there they didn't exist for me but this didn't change the fact that they do exist. Pray and listen and God will show you the mysteries of the universe. That's scriptural. Jesus is still Lord. How can we learn without a teacher? Lord help us to learn and grow in Your love and wisdom each and every day.
Also am reading a gnostic book on Mary Magdalene - WOW!!!
There is so much out there (and most is connected to scripture) that I never gleaned before.
Interesting and thoughtful article.
Philip, it seems, missed the point. The current dictionary meaning of "shaman" and "magic" is a product of 2000+ years of Judeo-Christian cultural trends, in which the meaning of "magic" is separated from the supernatural claims about the Judeo-Christian deity. But really, what power did Jesus supposedly use to "cure the sick", "divine the hidden", and "control events"? Not a natural power, to be sure.
The similarity is obvious; the difference is religious dogma.
More Merriam-Webster:
mag·ic
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English magique, from Middle French, from Latin magice, from Greek magik?, feminine of magikos Magian, magical, from magos magus, sorcerer, of Iranian origin; akin to Old Persian maguš sorcerer
Date:
14th century
1 a: the use of means (as charms or spells) believed to have supernatural power over natural forces b: magic rites or incantations
2 a: an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source
b: something that seems to cast a spell : enchantment
3: the art of producing illusions by sleight of hand
Is John of the Revelation also St. John of the Cross, or are they different people?
They're different. St. John of the Cross (San Juan de la Cruz) was a 16th century Carmelite friar and mystic poet--he is actually considered one of the greatest poets of Spanish literature.
The other great mystic of this period was St. Teresa of Ãvila, whom John knew--they worked together to reform the Carmelite order. I've always thought a an interesting story could be written about those two. :-) (You've got to have some strange thoughts while pursuing a degree in Spanish.)
(I don't think the authorship of Revelations is completely clear, but it's obviously a lot earlier, and written in Greek.)
I don't see the Jesus as a shaman concept as much of a stretch.
BTW, Christian mystics have relied on various vision seeking techniques practiced all over the world, e.g. food and sleep deprivation, meditation, etc.
Monotheism developed from polytheism, and a good part of the Old Testament reflects this transition. Yahweh, the jealous god, is trying to dissuade people from worshiping any other gods (let alone goddesses). It was part of that process that turned the symbols and rituals of those other religions into "evil", "occult", or "magic", while retaining the idea of "sacred" and "divine" for the preferred religion. (Translation, from the point of view of the worshipers: "we are the good ones; we worship the right god.")
Philip, I have studied the Bible extensively for over thirty-five years. I've studied shamanism for about two weeks now, and what I've written here was an observation with a question. See, I decided to step outside the box with no fear. I'll be paraying for you as well, my friend.
Nippy, lots of things in the Bible have come to mean more to me since I started studying other religions and philosophy, as well as science. The visions make more sense to me now. And heck, I have to wonder how many of those laws in Leviticus were written while in a drug-induced state ~ the kind some shamans practice.
Your question in the title of this Article, "Was Jesus a Shaman? How About John of the Revelation?" . . .
I take it that you are speaking of John the Revelator ~ the beloved Disciple of Jesus Christ ~ the Apostle of the Lord ~ JohnThe one who was the recipient of the VISION (the REVELATION) of Jesus Christ [the TESTIMONY -- the Proof -- the Evidence].
Jesus Christ is ALL things to ALL people, and in whatever way one can come to the TRUTH of Who He is, I believe that the means justify the ends.
When you ASK the question (earnestly seeking TRUTH in your heart), you are sure to receive the ANSWER.
Knowing that you are seeking the REVELATION of Jesus Christ, surely you shall find HIM. I enjoy this Rosa.
Blessings ~
Rene
Now it was so, when Moses came down from Mount Sinai, that Moses did not know that the skin of his face shone while he talked with Him. . . . And when Moses had finished speaking with them, he put a veil on his face. But whenever Moses went in before the LORD to speak with Him, he would take the veil off until he came out; and he would come out and speak to the children of Israel whatever he had been commanded. Ex 34:29, 33-34
Note: Metaphorically speaking? If the veil is a curtain between worlds, then Moses’ crossing over could have left him beaming, as most shaman describe such joy as ecstatic.
Veil= To surround and cover completely so as to obscure:
To prevent (something) from being known: cloak. conceal, cover (up), enshroud, hide, hush (up), mask, Idioms: keep under cover, keep under wraps
Glory: It is interesting that whilst the principle basis of glory in the Hebrew is the weight (kabad (H3513) or immensity (hadar (H1926) of something the primary Greek word rendered glory is doxa (G1391) which really speaks to the perception of something as being good.
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Rom 12:2
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ (anointing). Col 2:16-17
Sabbath - time of rest
Matt. 28:1, transliterated:
"Opse de sabbatõn, te epiphõskouse eis mian sabbatõn..."
"Opse" usually means "late in the day" or "at evening"
Shamans usually do their work in the night and while reclining.
. . . the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing. It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience . . . Heb 9:8-9
Therefore it was necessary that the copies [the Temple and its furnishings] of the things in the heavens should be purified with these [the blood of animals], but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ (anointing) has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us . . . Heb 9:23-24
Note: It’s interesting that shaman have spirit animal guides. So this sacrifice thing, being a copy, may have been a metaphor for shamanic practice.
For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. Heb 10:1
Because it’s only a copy?
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. John 16:13
The Holy Spirit must be vast, like perhaps a Spirit World?
Then He turned to His disciples and said privately, “Blessed are the eyes which see the things you see; for I tell you that many prophets and kings have desired to see what you see, and have not seen it, and to hear what you hear, and have not heard it.” Luke 10:23-24
I doubt he was boasting about himself, so he had to be alluding to his work here instead - shamanism? Is this what he was teaching the disciples?
. . . according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began but now made manifest . . . Rom 16:25-26
Made manifest through his teaching of shamanism?
. . . and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ; to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places . . . Eph 3:9-10
. . . how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets . . . Eph 3:3-5
. . . which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began, but has in due time manifested . . . Titus 1:2-3
“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He (spirit) will guide you into all truth; for He (spirit) will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. John 16:12-13
Now it came to pass in those days that He went out to the mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God. And when it was day, He called His disciples to Himself; and from them He chose twelve whom He also named apostles . . . Luke 6:12-13
Note: Shaman work much the same way, at night and choosing other shaman.
Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ (anointing), the Son of the living God.” Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.” Matt 16:16-17
Note: It wasn’t Jesus who revealed this anointing was taking place through him, It was revealed through God, or All That Is, as it exists in the Spirit Realm.
Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures. Luke 24:44-45
How did he open their understanding?
For He taught His disciples and said to them, “The Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of men, and they will kill Him. And after He is killed, He will rise the third day.” But they did not understand this saying, and were afraid to ask Him. Mark 9:31-32
They did not understand that He spoke to them of the Father. John 8:27
His disciples did not understand these things at first; but when Jesus was glorified, then they remembered that these things were written about Him and that they had done these things to Him. John 12:16
Note: Seers (shaman) had seen
For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ (anointing). But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 2 Cor 3:14-16
These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. For “who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ (anointing). 1 Cor 2:13-16
Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated and untrained men, they marveled. Acts 4:13
At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.” Matt 11:25
Note: shamanism might seem like foolishness.
Note:Even the Old Testament prophets did not completely understand their own prophecies, because they were hidden (at least in part) until the days of the New Testament apostles:
. . . and when the power of the holy people (religion?) has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished. Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, “My lord, what shall be the end of these things?” And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.” Dan 12:7-10
Was Daniel in a shamanic trance?
Do not remember the former things, Nor consider the things of old. Behold, I will do a new thing, Now it shall spring forth; Shall you not know it? I will even make a road in the wilderness And rivers in the desert.” Isa 43:18-19
The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Prepare the way of the LORD; Make straight in the desert A highway for our God. Every valley shall be exalted And every mountain and hill brought low; The crooked places shall be made straight And the rough places smooth; The glory of the LORD shall be revealed, And all flesh shall see it together; For the mouth of the LORD has spoken.” Isa 40:3-5