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by Stefanie Plum, Gather Partner Team
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February 19, 2008

The Truth About Vitamin D - TRANSCRIPT – Join the Discussion and Win Gather Points™!

February 17, 2009 11:48 AM EST (Updated: February 20, 2009 10:19 AM EST)
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Join us for a live chat, tonight at 8pm ET to discuss the truth about vitamin D. How does it help you? Why do you need it? Chat tonight and learn what you need to know!

We will be joined by Dr. Tony Komaroff of Harvard Medical School. He will teach you everything you need to know about vitamin D. During the chat you can ask him questions, share tips and get advice from other members! One Gather member who participates in the live discussion between 8-9pm ET will win 250 Gather Points ™.

The chat takes place here, in the comment field below. You must refresh your browser to see new comments.

Anthony Komaroff, M.D., is the Simcox-Clifford-Higby professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School (HMS), and editor-in-chief of Harvard Health Publications at HMS. He is a practicing senior physician and was formerly director of the Division of General Medicine at Brigham and Women's Hospital.

 

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Comments: 120

JoAnne D. Feb 17, 2009, 11:55am EST
I hope I can be back by then. This is a good topic.
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j - Frugal Mom - r. Feb 17, 2009, 12:01pm EST
Wow, Gather is going to be busy today. I cannot make the chat, as I'm meeting my dad in the airport tonight. I will be back to read the transcript.
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Linda G. Feb 17, 2009, 12:06pm EST
good topic, but bad time. Wish I could join, but it is kids bath & bedtime
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golds g. Feb 17, 2009, 12:20pm EST
I'll try but I do have a question is there really vitamin D in Tropicana's orange juice or is that just a marketing ....?
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Janet "Jax" B. Feb 17, 2009, 12:50pm EST
Bummer...Angela has dance tonight.
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Claudia B. Feb 17, 2009, 1:05pm EST
I will try to make it as I surely have some questions about the validity of taking Vitamin D as part of my vitamin regimen.
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Dagmara H. Feb 17, 2009, 2:13pm EST
thanks
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Chris E. Feb 17, 2009, 2:51pm EST
I will try to be here.
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dianne j. Feb 17, 2009, 3:34pm EST
I can't make it, but I have questions. My doctor prescribed Vitamin D for me for fatigue. I did get better, but I'm not convinced it was the D. Now that I have been off of it for a couple of months, I am fatigued again. Does it really help with fatigue?
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tammie p. Feb 17, 2009, 3:50pm EST
thank you for sharing this
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Elizabeth B. Feb 17, 2009, 4:35pm EST
Great topic! I will hustle buns to get house and kids settled so I can make it :>}
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Jillian W. Feb 17, 2009, 4:38pm EST
I won't be here that late either and also have a question. I've read that the ultraviolet light in tanning beds (in moderation) works the same as natural sunlight to help your body produce Vitamin D. Is that true?
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Diane H. Feb 17, 2009, 5:38pm EST
Sounds like a good chat, good topic, will try and make it.
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☆ ƒåitĥ ☆ Feb 17, 2009, 7:21pm EST
Lots of things happening here tonight. 8pm is actually 5pm here and we'll more than likely be eating dinner at that time but I hope I can make it.
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Elizabeth V. Feb 17, 2009, 7:21pm EST
If my back is holding out then, I'll be there. Back trouble prevents too much time at the computer.
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Terri Cascella Feb 17, 2009, 7:32pm EST
I am new to the group. I was recently diagnosed with a vitamin D deficiency. I also had seizures as a newborn due to a calcium deficiency. Now I am wondering if I could have a problem with my parathyroid??? HMMM??? I would love to doctor to address this. Thanks for such a cool group. Terri
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:00pm EST
Good evening, everyone. Let's get started.

Diane J asks if vitamin D deficiency can cause fatigue, and if vitamin D replacement treatment can improve fatigue. Absolutely! There are many things that can cause fatigue, of course, and vitamin D deficiency is not the explanation in most people. But it definitely could be. I’m starting to test for blood levels of vitamin D in patients who are having unusual fatigue that is not explained by the pace of their work, or their lack of sleep, or by some other medical condition.
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Stefanie Plum, Gather Partner Team Feb 17, 2009, 8:01pm EST
Hi everyone! Welcome Dr. Komaroff!
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:02pm EST
Jillian asks if tanning lamps can increase levels of vitamin D like natural sunlight. Yes, though I think it's not as efficient. And, like sunlight, the tanning lamps can damage the skin. If a person has low blood levels of vitamin D, I recommend vitamin D supplement pills rather than sunlight--to protect the skin.
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Shannon W Feb 17, 2009, 8:03pm EST
Hi, made it to the chat!
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Shannon W Feb 17, 2009, 8:04pm EST
Are there any supplement Vitamin D pills that are better then others?
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Christine K. Feb 17, 2009, 8:04pm EST
I made it!
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Terri Cascella Feb 17, 2009, 8:04pm EST
I am here too. Terri
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:04pm EST
Hi Stefanie.

Golds G asks if there is really vitamin D in Tropicana orange juice, or if it's just a marketing gimmick. I don't know for sure, of course, but I don't think the Food and Drug Administration would let them make that claim if it were not true.
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Nora Davenport Feb 17, 2009, 8:05pm EST
Hi there! I'm so glad to be here!
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:07pm EST
Shannon W asks if any brands of vitamin D supplement are better than others. Unfortunately, the Food and Drug Administration does not regulate the manufacture of vitamin supplements like it regulates the production of medicines. So there are probably some brands that do not contain the amount of vitamin that they say. Consumer's Reports periodically tests and rates different vitamin supplements. I would check with them.
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golds g. Feb 17, 2009, 8:07pm EST
thanks so much for answering my question
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golds g. Feb 17, 2009, 8:08pm EST
I know you can have to much vitamin d but how does that happen?
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Christine K. Feb 17, 2009, 8:08pm EST
Does seasonal disorder have anything to do with a Vitamin D deficiency?
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Nora Davenport Feb 17, 2009, 8:08pm EST
We have crazy schedules at our house, and I find myself running myself ragged constantly, trying to keep up with everybody.....as a result, I am most always tired and worn out. What would be a good vitamin for this? Would it be D?
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:09pm EST
Terri Cascella says she was recently diagnosed with a vitamin D deficiency, and also had seizures as a newborn due to a calcium deficiency. She's wondering if she could have a problem with my parathyroid.

Terri, I think that is a possibility, and these days an endocrinologist has tests that make it pretty simple to tell. So I'd get it checked out.
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Terri Cascella Feb 17, 2009, 8:10pm EST
OK...I see most questions are being answered. I hope mine will be too. :)

Terri
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:10pm EST
Golds G asks if you can have too much vitamin D. You definitely can take too much vitamin D in supplement form. Doctors generally recommend against taking more than 4,000 International Units a day, although there is controversy about that.
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Terri Cascella Feb 17, 2009, 8:11pm EST
Hey...thanks a lot for that Dr. It is a concern of mine. I often don't feel very good...muscle pains, fatique, unable to concentrate, etc. You rock DOC.
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golds g. Feb 17, 2009, 8:11pm EST
what I mean was without the pills for example from foods and drinks sunlight ...?
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:14pm EST
Nora Davenport asks if her fatigue could be caused by vitamin D. As I mentioned earlier, yes it could, but just working too hard and sleeping too little are more common causes.

It is easy for a doctor to check if you are low on vitamin D. The best blood test is called 25OH-vitamin D. If your level is below 20, you are definitely deficient. And if your level is between 20-30, I think it's probably best for your health to take a vitamin D supplement each day.The current recommendations are for a total of 400-800 IU (International Units) a day. (And this recommendation will probably go up to around 1,000 IU/day relatively soon). If you take a multivitamin pill, check to see how much vitamin D it contains, to see whether or not you need to take a separate vitamin D pill.
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Dorine H. Feb 17, 2009, 8:14pm EST
They always say that drinking milk and getting out in the sun help ine get vitamin D. I can't drink milk (lactose problem) and have barely been out since October owing to heart failure and 2 unrelated surgeries. I've always been suspicious of supplements. Are there no natural foods that contain vitamin D naturally?
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Shannon W Feb 17, 2009, 8:15pm EST
How much vitamin D does the average person need?
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Judy W. Feb 17, 2009, 8:15pm EST
I've read that Vitamin D2 in large doses is not only inefficient compared with D3, but it also contains some other "ingredients" that could do harm. Is that true? How important is it for me to switch from my prescription for D2 to a high-dose D3 pill, whose manufacturer I do not know?
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golds g. Feb 17, 2009, 8:15pm EST
Dorine some orange juices have it or so they say on the box tropicana has one thats vitamin d
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Nora Davenport Feb 17, 2009, 8:16pm EST
Can you recommend a good overall multivitamin for women 50+? There are so many out on the market, and it's really confusing to know which one is the best? Thanks!
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:16pm EST
Golds G, I've never heard of someone "overdosing" on sunlight. But if a person drank gallons of fortified orange juice every day, for example, you probably could OD.
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Shannon W Feb 17, 2009, 8:16pm EST
I have three children. How much vitamin D do my children need and how can I make sure my kids are getting enough?
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golds g. Feb 17, 2009, 8:17pm EST
just checking I've heard drinking more than a cup or 2 8pz of oj is not that good for you ?
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Dorine H. Feb 17, 2009, 8:17pm EST
Thanks...however, as a child I hated orange juice, and now I don't drink it because it is bad for my diabetes. I would cheerfully eat a fresh orange, though.
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:18pm EST
Judy W asks whether vitamin D3 is better than vitamin D2--you can find both at the drug store. Vitamin D3 is absorbed somewhat better, and is the type I generally recommend. But if you need vitamin D in some form, because your blood level is low, and the only kind at the store is D2, it's fine to get it.
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golds g. Feb 17, 2009, 8:19pm EST
does vitamin d make that much of difference in your moods and energy health wise?
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:20pm EST
Dorine H is suspicious of supplements, and asks about whether you can get vitamin D from foods. Unfortunately, unlike most vitamins, vitamin D isn’t found in many foods, other than fatty fish and vitamin-D fortified milk, cereals, and juices.
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Dagmara H. Feb 17, 2009, 8:21pm EST
wow, this sure is interesting to read
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golds g. Feb 17, 2009, 8:22pm EST
Dagmara you've joined us here as well!
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Dagmara H. Feb 17, 2009, 8:22pm EST
Is is truth that the best way to get vitamin D is from sun?
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Dorine H. Feb 17, 2009, 8:23pm EST
So if I eat enough salmon and bluefish, that should do the job?
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Dagmara H. Feb 17, 2009, 8:23pm EST
yeah I though I would , golds :)
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golds g. Feb 17, 2009, 8:23pm EST
lol!
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Dorine H. Feb 17, 2009, 8:23pm EST
(I hate cold cereal, too.)
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golds g. Feb 17, 2009, 8:24pm EST
Dorine thats my favorite I dont like putting anything in it
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Dorine H. Feb 17, 2009, 8:24pm EST
How many servings of fish a week does it take?
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Stacey *Mamasaid* D. Feb 17, 2009, 8:24pm EST
I do have a couple of questions about Vitamin D. My husband has prostrate tumors and recently a naturopath recommended that he up his levels of Vitamin D. How does Vitamin D help prostrate problems?
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:25pm EST
Someone asks how much vitamin D do you need? The answer is: it depends on the level of vitamin D in your blood. If the level is above 30, you're in the normal range, and based on current knowledge, you don't need to take supplements.

What's the chance your level is below 30? Is it rare, or common? Even 15 years ago, most doctors would have told you it's rare. But as it got easier to measure vitamin D levels in the blood, and doctors started to take a look, they were shocked: 30-50% of us adults in the U.S. are vitamin D deficient! It's more common the farther north you live, since you get exposed to less sunlight. It's also more common in dark-skinned people.
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Carla B. Feb 17, 2009, 8:25pm EST
About how much time do you need to spend in the sun to get a healthy dose of vitamin D?
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Dorine H. Feb 17, 2009, 8:26pm EST
And how about such semi-fatty fish as shad? The annual shad run should start in a couple of weeks...
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☃ Aunt Shanny Feb 17, 2009, 8:27pm EST
One vitamin I won't find myself deficient in is vitamin D. I love getting out in the sun and I like those foods that are rich in it.

Thanks Doctor!
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Mary G. Feb 17, 2009, 8:27pm EST
Thank you for answering so many questions. My question Do most people get enough Vitamin D in foods?
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:29pm EST
Stacey asks how vitamin D could help a person with prostate tumors. Until very recently, we thought we knew all about vitamin D: we thought that the only thing it did was help build strong bones.

Now there is a lot of evidence that vitamin D deficiency--and remember that 30-50% of us are deficient--may also increase the risk of various types of cancer. The evidence is strongest for colon cancer, but there's evidence that it increases the risk of prostate cancer and other cancers, too. In a small trial, postmenopausal women who received 1,100 IU of vitamin D plus 1,400 to 1,500 milligrams of calcium per day reduced their risk of developing non-skin cancers by 60% over four years, compared with a placebo.
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Mary G. Feb 17, 2009, 8:30pm EST
I see the answer is now up for my question. Thanks and sounds like living in Southern California I should be getting enough.
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Dorine H. Feb 17, 2009, 8:30pm EST
Wow! The skin cancer thing is amazing!
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:30pm EST
Several of you ask how much fish or other vitamin D containing foods you need to eat each week to protect against vitamin D deficiency. The answer is, it's different from one person to another, and hard to predict. That's why the best approach is to have your blood level of vitamin D measured. That will tell you if your level is low, or not.
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Lesli B. Feb 17, 2009, 8:31pm EST
I didn't realize this would be so informative!
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golds g. Feb 17, 2009, 8:32pm EST
Dr Anthony Komaroff thanks so much for your answers I learned something new tonight!
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Judy W. Feb 17, 2009, 8:32pm EST
How strong is the evidence on the effectiveness of vitamin D in treating psoriasis?
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Stacey *Mamasaid* D. Feb 17, 2009, 8:33pm EST
Thank you so much for the facts, Doctor Komaroff. I do have one more question. I have Epstein Barr/CFS and the naturopath also suggested more Vitamin D for me as well as calcium. My doc wants me to increase my Vitamin C. Is it alright to increase all of them at once? Also, what impact does Vitamin D have on your immune system?
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Lesli B. Feb 17, 2009, 8:33pm EST
I agree with Dorine the cancer thing is amazing.
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:35pm EST
Evidence from strong studies over the past 10 years indicates that having normal vitamin D blood levels may also protect us against lots of other diseases besides thin bones and various cancers.

Several studies reveal links between low vitamin D levels and depression in older adults. A study of overweight people (who tend to have low vitamin D levels) found that taking high doses of the vitamin over one year improved their moods.

Normal levels of vitamin D also seem to protect against autoimmune and infectious diseases. Multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, type 1 diabetes, asthma, and even influenza all appear to be more common among the vitamin D-deprived.

The most common cause of death in the United States and other developed nations is heart disease. Who would have thought that vitamin D would have anything to do with heart disease? It does.

Earlier this year, at least four studies found a connection between low vitamin D and heart disease. People with low blood levels were twice as likely to have a heart attack or to die of cardiovascular disease as those with normal levels of the vitamin. The risks were greatest in those with deficient levels, and less extreme in those with insufficient levels. It makes biological sense that vitamin D could protect against heart disease: it slows the development of atherosclerosis, lowers blood pressure and blood sugar, and reduces inflammation within the artery wall (which, in turn, reduces the risk of heart attacks and strokes).
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Dorine H. Feb 17, 2009, 8:35pm EST
How much vitamin D do you get in a normal portion (4-5 oz.) of salmon or bluefish?
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Dagmara H. Feb 17, 2009, 8:35pm EST
I agree with golds, I have learn a lot from those comments too.
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Sheli out of her jammies and enjoying the Sun *. Feb 17, 2009, 8:35pm EST
Hi everyone!
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Sheli out of her jammies and enjoying the Sun *. Feb 17, 2009, 8:36pm EST
Do you need to give a 4 year old Vitamin D milk or is 2% ok?
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Dorine H. Feb 17, 2009, 8:37pm EST
That must be why my doctor has gotten downright naggy at me about getting fish oil pills, a repellent thought.
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:38pm EST
Stacey asks if vitamin D might be useful in treating CFS (chronic fatigue syndrome). Surely low levels of vitamin D in the blood can cause fatigue, and vitamin D treatment that raises levels to normal can improve the fatigue. But there's no evidence that vitamin D deficiency is a cause of CFS. CFS is an unusual disease, and an uncommon cause of the very common symptom of fatigue.
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Stacey *Mamasaid* D. Feb 17, 2009, 8:39pm EST
Thank you Doctor. I am taking cod liver oil pills now as a supplement, is this a good source?
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:39pm EST
Several of you have asked how much vitamin D an infant or child needs. I'm not a pediatrician, and I'm not sure of the value of blood tests for vitamin D in children, or of vitamin D supplements. Check with your pediatrician. Sorry I can't help.
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John Cannell Feb 17, 2009, 8:41pm EST
Dr. Komaroff:

Did you know Medicare is proposing to not pay for 25(OH)D tests? If they do, private insurers will quickly follow suit.

Draft LCD for Vitamin D Assay Testing (DL29510).

http://www.ngsmedicare.com/NGSMedicare/lcd/dl29510_c_lcd.htm

John Cannell, MD
The Vitamin D Council
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Nora Davenport Feb 17, 2009, 8:41pm EST
This is, indeed, very interesting. I am quite overweight so am sure that I'm low on Vitamin D!! I'd really like to know if there's a particularly good multivitamin with extra Vitamin D in it for women 50+? I'm not presently taking a multivitamin!
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Sheli out of her jammies and enjoying the Sun *. Feb 17, 2009, 8:41pm EST
How do I sell Vitamin D milk to a stubborn 41 year old man? Any hints? LOL!!
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Christina L. Feb 17, 2009, 8:42pm EST
I just got here and what a great topic. I have a question. I am a type 1 diabetic and before I got it was diagnosed with a vitamin D deficiency. Could this have caused me to get type 1 diabetes?
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Dorine H. Feb 17, 2009, 8:42pm EST
Make creme brulee with it!
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:42pm EST
I see there are several sun-worshipers in this conversation. I was raised on the beaches of Southern California, and spent most of the weekends of my life there until I went off to college. So I know something about sun worshiping. It's a great way to have high levels of vitamin D. But also a great way to get skin cancers. If your vitamin D level is low, my advice is to raise your level with supplements, not sunbathing.
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:44pm EST
Dr. Cannell,

I did not know that Medicare was considering not paying for vitamin D blood tests. I think that would be a bad mistake.
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Christina L. Feb 17, 2009, 8:44pm EST
I now take a vitamin D supplement daily, but it's too late to reverse the diabetes unfortunately.
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:46pm EST
Christina L asks if vitamin D deficiency could make a person more susceptible to getting type 1 diabetes. There is pretty strong evidence that people with low blood levels of vitamin D have an increased risk of various autoimmune diseases, including type 1 diabetes.
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Sheli out of her jammies and enjoying the Sun *. Feb 17, 2009, 8:46pm EST
This is some great information-Thanks so much Dr. Komaroff!
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Dorine H. Feb 17, 2009, 8:48pm EST
Can you get Vitamin D poisoning from too much, the way you can with vitamins A and E?
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Nora Davenport Feb 17, 2009, 8:49pm EST
Thanks! I'm going to get a good Vitamin D supplement soon!
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Christina L. Feb 17, 2009, 8:49pm EST
Thank you for answering my question. Hopefully, now that I take a supplement, I won't get other autoimmune diseases.
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:54pm EST
I want to make one thing clear. I've said that many studies have found that people with low blood levels are at increased risk for getting various diseases. That does not mean that it has been PROVEN that taking vitamin D supplements to raise blood levels to normal will protect a person from those diseases. To PROVE that, doctors will need to conduct studies--randomized trials--in which some people are randomly assigned to take vitamin D supplements and other people take placebos (sugar pills), and neither the people taking the pills nor their doctors knows who's taking what. If, after several years, the people who take the vitamin D pills have a lower rate of various diseases than the people taking the placebos, then there will be strong evidence that vitamin D supplements protect our health. Such studies are underway, but won't be completed for several years.

But what should we do until the results of such studies are done? Doctors differ in their answer. Some say it's best to wait until there is proof that a vitamin supplement improves your health. My attitude, in this case, is that the possible benefits of vitamin D supplements outweight the risks--when your blood level is low, and when you take no more than the amount each day that I recommended.
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Stacey *Mamasaid* D. Feb 17, 2009, 8:55pm EST
Thank you so much for your help Doctor, this was very informative
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golds g. Feb 17, 2009, 8:57pm EST
thanks so much dr
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:57pm EST
Dorine H, Yes you can overdose on vitamin D. As I said earlier, most doctors recommend against taking more than 2,000-4,000 International Units a day.
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Anthony Komaroff, M.D., Harvard Medical School Feb 17, 2009, 8:57pm EST
Good evening everyone. I hope you found this useful, and thanks to all of you who said you did.
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Dorine H. Feb 17, 2009, 8:58pm EST
Do you get close to that amount in a normal portion of salmon or bluefish?
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