I don't believe in the Christian god but as I roam around gather I see thread after thread by self proclaimed Christians on how President Obama will ruin this country and bring it to the brink of godlessness and fire and brimstone will reign on us.
So my question is: How do you know God didn't make it possible for Obama to be elected?
Obama is mixed race. And god supposedly loves and made everyone. Since caucasians and africans are 2 of the most predominent races doesn't it stand to reason that god may have chosen a person with those qualifications in an effort to start to bring together all the races of the world?
Obama is the people's president. God is the god of the people who chose to believe in him not the big business'.
Obama was the first president in history to mention the Muslims in his innaguration address.
If you read the Koran it recognized Jesus as a prophet and I doubt very much whether Jesus would mind sharing the spot light with Allah.
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He is a unifier, not a divider of people. He harbors no ill-will towards anyone, just looks to give people the respect that all people deserve. Hey, he even mentioned the likes of you in his inauguration address.
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Jim no worries I am hoping that doesnt happen if it does I will just take down the thread.
Ellie exactly. He wants to bring everyone together.
Obama exercised his free will by making a choice to run for president. Obama was elected by people who used their free will to vote for him. He is choosing issues to prioritize, using his free will.
Is Obama a Heaven sent blessing, a scourge to mankind, the anti-Christ or something else entirely? These and other questions will be answered in time. Stay tuned and pray.
The reason I thought of this.
I was reading another thread yesterday and on it the person related this story.
A couple were caught in a flood and they eventually had to move to the roof of their house. A neighbor came by with a boat and offered to take them to safety. The couple replied that they were waiting for God to save them.
The next day a helicopter came and offered to take them to safety. The couple again declined saying they were waiting for god to save them.
On the 3rd day the flood worsened and they were being pulled under the current to a sure death. The wife screamed out to god why had he forsaken them and not helped them.
Whereas god answered. I did try and help you. First I sent you neighbor with a boat and you refused.
Then I sent a helicopter to you.
Jan all campaigns are nasty
Ellie:)
I just think its funny that as soon as Obama became a force in the presidential election the zealots came out of the woodwork.
I missed the Inaugural address on Tuesday but got to hear it in it's entirety (except for phone interruptions... I HATE being on call!) and was heartened by his positive, inclusive reference to Muslims and us "non believers".
There's hope for this world yet if we can only keep on the right track...
Peter, I don't actually have a party preference, although I am a Christian. Do you think that no Christians vote Democratic? If that were the case, no Democrat could hold public office.
Even us non believers. We are going to see no nonsense great things from President Obama.
Obama is the first president in my life time who believes in the people of this nation.
Old joke or not it is a good story for christians and others.
I never really did get that you can talk to god but if you claim he talks back they put you in padded white room and feed you jello all day long. But yet he answers your prayers but if you cant talk to him how do you know he did the prayer answering and it wasnt just a coincedence.
Glad you asked.
Lori, God answers prayers in many ways. Sometimes people do hear the voice of God and that does not make them crazy. I heard God the first time when I was only a child. Perhaps that's why the Bible tells us that we're supposed to become like children...because they are so much more open to God.
As an adult, I've felt his strong arms around me when there was no one else to hold me.
God often sends us to passages in his Word to read to help us through problems. He sends people to us in answer to prayers, sometimes when they come they don't even know why...just that they felt God's leading. God can answer, yes, no or wait.
Jim G.,
Althought I have my opinions
but I have to agreewith Jim here
Marilyn Obama believes in letting people make their own decisions when it comes to abortion and other issues. How do you figure he wants us all to rely on the government for everything...that statement is just assinine.
Well, one can't know such things, with certainty. But, one ought to realize, I think, that God chooses people for various reasons, not just because He approves of this or that thing they say or do. He chooses folks He don't approve of too, for various purposes. Allowing folks to choose, is also something He might do, if that choice suited His plans and intentions.
(He can work with us . . . that's not the question, really ; )
"On an issue like partial birth abortion, I strongly believe that the state can properly restrict late-term abortions. I have said so repeatedly. All I've said is we should have a provision to protect the health of the mother, and many of the bills that came before me didn't have that.
Part of the reason they didn't have it was purposeful, because those who are opposed to abortion have a moral calling to try to oppose what they think is immoral. Oftentimes what they were trying to do was to polarize the debate and make it more difficult for people, so that they could try to bring an end to abortions overall." ~ Barack Obama
Carla you expressed that so much better than I ever could. Thanks.
My personal opinion is that God allows us our free will and when we go to the ballot box and push the button or check the box we deserve what we get. I don't blame God for eight years of George Bush.
Now prove to me that didn't happen. Pastafarians know the truth.
I'm certain of it -- that God chose Obama. I shall give the scripture first, and then go and provide the text. Here:
Daniel 2:21
Be right back . . .
20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:
21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.
~~Daniel 19-22
Lois well we probably didnt hear it over all the cheering for Obama.
Why are there certain Republican types that always do that, and do it in such predictable ways??? It's like they all listen to the VERY SAME TV or radio or pastor or something and then they all misconstrue all the same way - in the same few misconstrued talking points ???
Don't forget the
"IT IS WRITTEN" test, either.
True Believers in God, espousing God will not come speaking of their OWN beliefs --
NO, NO, NO, NO!
They know that their opinions and beliefs (when they say they are speaking for God),
MEAN NOTHING!
True Believers should always provide consistent, sound reference for what they say -- references that flow with entirety of the Bible and not anything taken out of context. It is very easy to take scripture out of context:
Ex: "Judas hanged himself."
"Do thou likewise."
Later, Girlfriend!
It's the Sean Hannity Syndrome. Sean listens to Rush Limbaugh bellow it, then he repeats it with a smile while smoothing his hair.
And if I want to kill him with a stroke I just say "Al Gore" !!!
(for some reason just the sound of the name flips him out - ha ha)
That's your friend's guilty conscience speaking.
Think what a different world it would be if he had been allowed to serve the office he won. I flip out when I hear his name, too, because my heart still breaks every time I think about what was done to him - and us.
Daniel blessed God. And all this time I thought it was the other way around. How did I ever miss that part?
The professed Christians really should show more faith. They believed in George Bush, and look where it got 'em. Wasn't Georgie anointed by God? George thought so.
We the people also elected George Bush president, God would not do such a thing to us.
Who needs scripture, Sandy is a heart knower . . Amazing ; )
Jesus Loves me, this I know,
He said McCain HAS to go....
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
Oh, look, another heart knower. Why, the place is positively crawling with them ; )
If God allowed Bush it was to prepare us for Obama.
Bush era showed how easy it can be to loose our freedom and Obama teaches us we have to work hard to preserve it.
Even more. Signed orders to end torture, close the Gitmo, review policies Booshie put in place...freeze some of the Bushie stuff pending review, and lift restrictions that prevent federal support of clinics that offer birth control, including abortion....and allowed Americans to reclaim pride and breathe easier after 8 yrs. of being raped by the GOP, humiliated by policies any Christian would condemn...and all of these being done in our name and paid for by children as yet unborn.
Untrue. The loud mouthed ones ones claimed that they believed in Booshie. True Christians could not.
Beats me. Some call it faith, some call it fate. We're allowed to wonder about stuff like that in our country. I'm grateful for that.
I like the idea of unity, yet our country is free and is all about questioning, protesting, free speech and respect for those who are not like us and who do not share our opinions and values. If all socialists were silenced or all Christians, all Jews, or all of any group(s), for the purpose of unity, would we still be a free country?
True Christians are so much more humble, kind, and don't need so much negative attention.
Well, that's a beginning . . . but, the rest . . . ?
Nor does it negate "true". Professed means avowed, acknowledged or openly avowed beliefs or opinions. That said, at least some "true" Christians are also professed Christians. Blanket statements about professed Christians in the context herein used are, by necessity, inaccurate. :o)
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
Thanks, John. I wondered when you'd come to your senses.
Marilyn - Google partial birth abortions. Do a little research. You spout off all the time with misinformation that you've been spoonfed by the Amercian Unfamily Association.
Learn the truth.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama on Friday will lift restrictions on U.S. government funding for groups that provide abortion services or counseling abroad, reversing a policy of his Republican predecessor George W. Bush, an administration official said.
"Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience."
However, this does not mean that one can go evil just because the law says it is permissible. Jesus said himself when on Earth: "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." (Matt 22:21)
Also, just because God selected a ruler does not mean that everything that ruler does is just. God condemns king after king in the Old Testament for deeds such as erecting idols in the temple, murder, and greed.
However, I would like to note that correcting a leader is not rebellion, especially if he also claims to be a believer. Those who have not found Christ often quote the scripture that says, "Do not judge, or you will be judged (Matt. 7)." This is not true in the instance of a believer, who must answer to those in the church. "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. (1 Cor 5:12)" Since the President claims to be a believer, I feel that it is appropriate to correct him in manners of which God is concerned.
One must certainly give you credit for doing what so many do NOT do: quoting scripture which is appropriate to the article content. While I would love to comment on what you quoted, I won't. A Biblical discussion isn't appropriate here. Suffice to say, that maybe others shall follow your lead.
Plus, I need not tell you about the parable of the sheep and the goats, and/or
the wheat and the chaff -- both parables basically the same thing.
Each one deals with COUNTERFEIT BELIEVERS, who appear to the world to be of God, but they are anything but so.
I do not know much about chaff. Apparently "chaff" so closely resembles wheat that it cannot be distinguished from wheat until the time of harvest, and that is when it is separated and burned. Jesus/Yeshua uses this example to say that the COUNTERFEIT BELIEVERS shall remain in the Church until a certain time, and then they shall be REMOVED, just like the chaff, and burned as they are not wheat.
I shall say a few other things, again, not directed at you, Stephen:
9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
~~Revelation 12:9-10
and this one,
21He suffered no man to do them wrong: yea, he reproved kings for their sakes,
22Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.
23Sing unto the LORD, all the earth; shew forth from day to day his salvation.
~~I Chronicles 16: 21-23
(and my most favorite Rock SuperStar of ALL time, King David, repeated this in the Psalms, Psalm 105:15. It is the reason that, even when King Saul was doing everything possible to KILL David, that David showed King Saul (and his descendants the utmost honour and respect!
David knew Saul wanted him dead. David was a fugitive. But, David also knew that Saul had been the "anointed" of God, and above all else, David respected that! God had called Saul to be King, and despite the fact that God now wanted David as King, David still honoured the fact that Saul had been anointed King.
How many people would spare the life of a man you KNEW was bent on MURDERING you? David did. He was right there, could have killed him, and taken HIS rightful place as King, and yet, David didn't do it. Instead he warned Saul about his incompetent guards -- that they weren't keeping adequate watch over "Saul the King".)
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Like it or not, in the Biblical sense of what Daniel 2:21 states, President Barack Obama is the equivalent of what that verse would consider, a "king".
President Obama professes to be a Believer. From ALL that I have seen he not only professes it, he lives it, too.
I added the scripture from Revelation because it indicates just WHO "accuses" the Brethren. In the Gospel of John, Jesus/Yeshua called humans,
the sons of their father the devil
rather than
the sons of God
So Jesus himself establishes the precedent that Satan has human seed. Revelation simply identifies that human seed further as those who "accuse the brethren" (and may I include us SISTAs, as well.)
Therefore, if President Obama is one of the brethren (and it doesn't matter if he is in error),
and someone accuses him (in particular, one who claims to be a Believer), you have clearly identified yourself as Satan's seed, for the Bible doesn't lie; you do.
Furthermore, Daniel 2:21. God chose him. You mock God's choice -- God's anointed. No human need see your heart; God sees your heart, and it were better for YOU, if it were only humanity that saw your heart. As King David said, he would rather the punishment of humanity any ole day, than the punishment of God. Jehovah is a SUPERBAD Mamma Jamma and you do NOT, repeat do NOT want to start messing with Him/Her by "touching His/Her anointed and doing His/Her prophets harm."
I agree 100, 000% with King David. Oh Brother, I do so agree. It's why I have no problem speaking to some of these people the way I do. It's obvious they do NOT come in the name of the Lord; I have NOTHING to fear from them. But, if they did, I would be walking on eggshells with them; I fear God, just as David did. That being said, it is best to ignore most of their rantings, for
it is written,
7 Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.
8 The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way: but the folly of fools is deceit.
~~Proverbs of King Solomon 14-7-8
Sorry, I missed your comment. I was gone when you asked,
" How do you find scripture for bigotry ???"
Better for a Biblical scholar or a Jewish student/scholar, better familiar with the history and/or tradition to answer. Here's mine:
Bigotry existed, but not in the same way as today. For certain, there was a distinction between the circumcised, and the uncircumcised. I would hardly call it bigotry, though. It was more a necessity, for every women's desire -- the desire of women was to be the mother of the promised Messiah. Also, the uncircumcised were seen to be unclean. Let's face it, there was some truth to that, as you look back through the historical record regarding laws of cleanliness, and why Jewish people were sometimes persecuted as being witches and devils. Science didn't learn about germs until what? 1890. But the Jewish laws of cleanliness kept them from contracting so many diseases that plagued -- literally plagued -- others, that people's superstititions, hatreds, bigotries, etc. took over, and jumped to incorrect conclusions about the descendents of Israel.
The prejudices back then did NOT have to do with the colour of one's skin. King David's fling with Bathsheba. I ain't saying nothing, but just dissect the name, "Bathsheba", and then YOU tell me just what "colour" you think "Bathsheba" was. I'll help you out a leeetle bit. "Bath" means "house" or "house of".
Mr. King Solomon was rather a chip off of Daddy's block, wasn't he? Fooling around with the Queen of Sheba.
Same thing with Moses. We KNOW what colour Zipporah was, don't we.
I'll even add myself to the mix, that even today, my friends from Israel kept talking about my beauty. When one wanted to drag me back to Israel as his wife (those Brothas don't waste any time, do they!), it wasn't about "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?" That wasn't even in the equation. It was rather that I must convert to Judaism, and spend much time with his mother in order to learn how to be a good Jewish wife. SHOCKING! I nearly went into coronary arrest! I shall make no further comment, other than to say that you see there was NO BIGOTRY there, and the "bigotry" issue does not seem to be the same Biblical bigotry as it is in Western/Colonial civilization.
Even the Sodom and Gomorrah story has been misunderstood. Many would have you to believe that it is about homosexuality, and sodomy, when I believe the cities were really destroyed due to greed, and corruption. But, people must always find SOMEBODY to hate on, don't they. However, that is another story for another day.
To answer your question, though Peter. To find scriptures on racial bigotry, I cannot. To locate scriptures on cultural, and/or maybe social, national separation (not really bigotry, though, yes.)