So do you think that is what we're going to be speaking in Heaven? Isn't Greek easier to learn, and the language that Jesus spoke? Maybe I should look up this verse that you have provided, but not quoted. You always put me to work.
(Zep 3:9) For then will I turn to the peoples of a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of Jehovah, to serve him with one consent. (note: it still says nothing about Hebrew.)
"In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain. I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the LORD."
Do you think that might be referring to the Palestinian people??
The Hebrew Bible explains this better than English and that is the translation and meaning; but it is referring to when Israel recovers from its long slavery, dispersion and oppression, and returns to its own land and re-learns Hebrew and begins using it again officially and after Hebrew had been a dead language and is resurrected in the last days before Messiah Y'Shua returns to rule from His throne on Mount Zion, Jerusalem, Israel...
The Jews are God's Chosen People and He will never forget them or His longstanding promises to their ancestors, and it is the duty of their 'little' brothers and sisters, we Christians to defend them and to stand with them spiritually and in prayer! Amen, so be it!
You laugh but I do speak-in-tongues as a Charismatic Catholic as well as other Gifts of the Holy Spirit do operate in my life and ministry... we even raise our hands during Mass... in prayers and in worship now! We have become like the Pentecostals and Evangelicals in so many ways since Vatican 2!
Now you know!
But my Latin is so very poor! We do not use it very much anymore in the Mass, so for me that is good! LOL!!!
It is exactly the same thing. Did you not know that? Look into it and see that I am right aye?
Palestine is Latin for Philistine.
After the Romans destroyed Israel and banned the Jews from the Holy Land, after having leveled everything and the Temple in Jersalem; they added insult to injury by renaming Israel on all of their maps changing its name to Palestine, after the arch-enemies of the Jews, the Philistines. You seem to know a lot, I am surprised that you did not already know this?
I've never heard a Catholic speak in tongues, but teh Lector in my parish when I was young was said to be able to. I have heard the Pentecostals speak in tounges. Is it the same, or do you actually speak actual words in other languages?
Spiritual gifts are for all Christians... Not just Pentecostals. I have Baptist friends who speak in tongues and lay hands on the sick to be healed as well.
St. Paul taught that there are nine spiritual gifts and has a list in his letters to the Corinthians, and that the Holy Spirit gives as many as He wishes to those who needs them from that list of nine spiritual gifts. But being gifted or talented to lead or to play the violin... those are gifts but not in the sense of the special spiritual gifts that both prophets and mystics possess, as do every day Christian Believers.
I pray and worship in the Spirit (in tongues) and I can interpret those special prayer languages when I need to; but when it is just me and God praying together... why over tax my mind with the natural meaning of everything I pray or sing in the Spirit (in tongues) aye?
When we pray in tongues we are speaking divine secrets to God, the Bible tells us! It is our own spirits or inner persons, communing deeply with God!
The Holy Scriptures tell us that "Deep calls unto Deep!"
What a special place with God that place is! And it is so hard to explain! But it is wonderful!
St. John, are you saying Hebrew is a dead language? Israeli's have never stopped speaking it and most Jews in the rest of the world pray in and read Hebrew, while many learn it and use it as a second language at home or in social groups. I have heard other Christians say Hebrew is a dead language and that always flusters me. At one point, I didn't know it nor had heard it spoken, that's when the first guy told me it was a dead language and I took it for granted he knew what he was talking about since he was a Bible scholar. But, then, I found out I could learn it to and my social group grew to include many, many, many who speak Hebrew on a regular basis. That's when I found out it had never been dead. Why do people keep saying that?
I have heard there are some Catholic churches becoming more lively and believing in the spiritual gifts. The Holy Ghost is how I was taught and it was Pentecostal religious, however, I learned what I know about working out my salvation through reading the King James Version and prayer. I have the gift of speaking in other tongues. The Holy Ghost is the greater comforter, the guide who will lead and guide a person into all the truths of God. It is called the comforter because Jesus sent it back to earth when he left his diciplies and completed his work on earth. He told them at the last supper: "I will not leave you comfortless (for his was their comfort and they were sad to see him go back up to the heavenly father) but I will send you the Holy Ghost that will witness of me and will lead and guide you into all the truth. Now the Gift of Prophysy that is worked through the Holy Ghost, when it really moves among people, is the testimony of Jesus Christ. It is like Jesus speaking through that gift and through that human vessel.
I honestly believe that no matter the language it won't matter we will just be thankful that we finally made it and whether we speek hebrew, Spanish, French, Greek or another language we will be Worshiping Jesus for Saving us
Officially, real Hebrew, the religious language of Scripture scholars and Priests and a few others, was lost and not spoken for centuries. A common version called Aramaic was spoken though and is that version from Europe that is spoken in New York with all the slang? Called? Right on the tip of my tongue??? We get a lot of our American words and phrases from it, like 'Oy vey!'
But around the time the Jews were returning to the Holy Land right after WW2, when Europe was wooshing them out from their feelings of guilt for allowing so many Jews to be killed right under their own noses as it were, a scholar and doctor of something related, took the records of ancient Hebrew and awakened it and its usage to be spoken again and officially in the new State of Israel. But I do not remember his name?
This is what I know as a trained Reverend of Theology and Jewish and Church History, etc...
Father St. John
P.S. Go to Google or some search engine online like it and look up "Hebrew" and you will get all the facts that you need on that holy subject aye?
That's what I had on the tip of my tongue to say was spoken but could not spit it out!!!
It is called "Yiddish" that is spoken in New York and some other places and is from Europe and we now use a lot of its terms and phrases in English now! It is slang and Aramaic (A common form of Hebrew and other Semitic languages) mooshed altogether!
Yes, St. John, it is Yiddish. Yiddish is a mixture of German and Hebrew. I got my knowledge of Hebrew from learning Hebrew and reading Jewish Scholars. I do know, from relatives who were there, that Hebrew was used for Prayers and as a language to converse in before World War II and is the same Hebrew Israeli's have spoken since Israel became a State. It was less widely spoken than it is now, but it was still spoken in the same form it is now by those relatives who used to use it. And, yes, it became a rather secret language during times of persecution because it was an easy way to tell if someone was Jewish. But, I guess I had assumed that it had been used by Jews for many centuries since Maimonides used Hebrew letters to transliterate an Arabic-language commentary on the Mishnah in 1168. Nahmanides commented on Maimonides' opinion of Hebrew in the next century.
Although you did an awesome job answer my question to some extent, I'm still wondering why it is being called a dead language since Jews have never totally lost it and have used the world has known it was the official language of Israel since 1948 and it was also the official language Palestine since 1921. Although "officially" it may have been considered lost, I've seen ancient manuscripts that I can read partially because the letters are the same and the base words are the same as the Hebrew we use nowadays. So, I have to assume, that unofficially, it has never stopped being used. I figured that it probably has been changed over the centuries, much like English has, but English isn't considered a dead language, so I just don't get why people call Hebrew a dead language.
I just realized that the way I wrote that up there, it sounds like I'm saying I read Jewish scholars in Hebrew. I don't. I read them in English, but I do know enough Hebrew that when I listened to a video my hubby was watching today, I could follow the conversation fairly well. And, I haven't had nearly the experience in Hebrew most of my Jewish friends or the Israelis have. They are fluent. I certainly am not.
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(note: it still says nothing about Hebrew.)
That verse is followed by these two verses.......
"In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain.
I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the LORD."
Do you think that might be referring to the Palestinian people??
The Hebrew Bible explains this better than English and that is the translation and meaning; but it is referring to when Israel recovers from its long slavery, dispersion and oppression, and returns to its own land and re-learns Hebrew and begins using it again officially and after Hebrew had been a dead language and is resurrected in the last days before Messiah Y'Shua returns to rule from His throne on Mount Zion, Jerusalem, Israel...
The Jews are God's Chosen People and He will never forget them or His longstanding promises to their ancestors, and it is the duty of their 'little' brothers and sisters, we Christians to defend them and to stand with them spiritually and in prayer! Amen, so be it!
Father St. John
You laugh but I do speak-in-tongues as a Charismatic Catholic as well as other Gifts of the Holy Spirit do operate in my life and ministry... we even raise our hands during Mass... in prayers and in worship now! We have become like the Pentecostals and Evangelicals in so many ways since Vatican 2!
Now you know!
But my Latin is so very poor! We do not use it very much anymore in the Mass, so for me that is good! LOL!!!
Father St. John
It is not referring to the Philistines. Sorry about that.
Father St. John
It is exactly the same thing. Did you not know that? Look into it and see that I am right aye?
Palestine is Latin for Philistine.
After the Romans destroyed Israel and banned the Jews from the Holy Land, after having leveled everything and the Temple in Jersalem; they added insult to injury by renaming Israel on all of their maps changing its name to Palestine, after the arch-enemies of the Jews, the Philistines. You seem to know a lot, I am surprised that you did not already know this?
Father St. John
Spiritual gifts are for all Christians... Not just Pentecostals. I have Baptist friends who speak in tongues and lay hands on the sick to be healed as well.
St. Paul taught that there are nine spiritual gifts and has a list in his letters to the Corinthians, and that the Holy Spirit gives as many as He wishes to those who needs them from that list of nine spiritual gifts. But being gifted or talented to lead or to play the violin... those are gifts but not in the sense of the special spiritual gifts that both prophets and mystics possess, as do every day Christian Believers.
I pray and worship in the Spirit (in tongues) and I can interpret those special prayer languages when I need to; but when it is just me and God praying together... why over tax my mind with the natural meaning of everything I pray or sing in the Spirit (in tongues) aye?
When we pray in tongues we are speaking divine secrets to God, the Bible tells us! It is our own spirits or inner persons, communing deeply with God!
The Holy Scriptures tell us that "Deep calls unto Deep!"
What a special place with God that place is! And it is so hard to explain! But it is wonderful!
Father St. John
The name was Philistines and now it is Palestinians. What is your name in other languages when translated?
My name is: "Saint-Jean de la Croix" but in English it is: "St. John of the Cross". But I am still the same person aren't I?
Father St. John
Officially, real Hebrew, the religious language of Scripture scholars and Priests and a few others, was lost and not spoken for centuries. A common version called Aramaic was spoken though and is that version from Europe that is spoken in New York with all the slang? Called? Right on the tip of my tongue??? We get a lot of our American words and phrases from it, like 'Oy vey!'
But around the time the Jews were returning to the Holy Land right after WW2, when Europe was wooshing them out from their feelings of guilt for allowing so many Jews to be killed right under their own noses as it were, a scholar and doctor of something related, took the records of ancient Hebrew and awakened it and its usage to be spoken again and officially in the new State of Israel. But I do not remember his name?
This is what I know as a trained Reverend of Theology and Jewish and Church History, etc...
Father St. John
P.S. Go to Google or some search engine online like it and look up "Hebrew" and you will get all the facts that you need on that holy subject aye?
That's what I had on the tip of my tongue to say was spoken but could not spit it out!!!
It is called "Yiddish" that is spoken in New York and some other places and is from Europe and we now use a lot of its terms and phrases in English now! It is slang and Aramaic (A common form of Hebrew and other Semitic languages) mooshed altogether!
Although you did an awesome job answer my question to some extent, I'm still wondering why it is being called a dead language since Jews have never totally lost it and have used the world has known it was the official language of Israel since 1948 and it was also the official language Palestine since 1921. Although "officially" it may have been considered lost, I've seen ancient manuscripts that I can read partially because the letters are the same and the base words are the same as the Hebrew we use nowadays. So, I have to assume, that unofficially, it has never stopped being used. I figured that it probably has been changed over the centuries, much like English has, but English isn't considered a dead language, so I just don't get why people call Hebrew a dead language.
Hope that makes sense.