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by Jessica S.
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July 15, 2008

Ew! Why even bother leaving a ping to say this??

January 22, 2009 06:15 PM EST
views: 287 | rating: 8.6/10 (63 votes) | comments: 110

Letting you know I've disconnected from you because I find your generic comments annoying, not only on my articles, filling my feed, but on all of the articles I visit.

"Letting you know I was here...

Paying it f♥rward t♥day!"

Stop it!

 

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Whatever.  I guess she doesn't want views.

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Comments: 110

mary bryant Jan 22, 2009, 6:17pm EST
What a shame. She just doesn't know what she is missing.
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Jody Swaney Jan 22, 2009, 6:18pm EST
LOL... That's just the funniest thing I've read all day, what an a hole...
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April H. Jan 22, 2009, 6:18pm EST
Nice to see I was not connected to her, but she should think twice as everyone can see her pings.
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Nora Davenport Jan 22, 2009, 6:18pm EST
Hmmmmmmm......that's different.....maybe that person was just very annoyed or something or doesn't like the "generic" comments?
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Steph-in-NE ..... Jan 22, 2009, 6:19pm EST
not me I love it all give me more I need more oh ping I though you said pot,, my bad

he he he
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Ang, inspired by good, G. Jan 22, 2009, 6:19pm EST
Their loss not yours. They will get over it.
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edna r. Jan 22, 2009, 6:20pm EST
Wow, I don't know who this is. So much drama! Generic comments are fine with me.
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Marilyn M. Jan 22, 2009, 6:24pm EST
If you're a part of the "paying if forward" group, it's one of the "rules" that you have to say you were there in the comments and in pings. If people said that on your posts, you must have been the "person of the day" and they were following the rules. I suggest you'll probably need to disconnect from the group if that's annoying.
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Peter Joseph Swanson Jan 22, 2009, 6:24pm EST
You mean we always have to be witty ???
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Renda B~surviving the storm by dancing in the rain. Jan 22, 2009, 6:24pm EST
Well, I left you a 10 to help out your rating on this post. Keep your chin up, smile, and enjoy your weekend.
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Paul F. Jan 22, 2009, 6:25pm EST
i think if you have written a article looking for serious discussion then generic comments could be a disappointment, i mean people do the whole generic thing to help with points and that is all appreciated but if someone sees themselves as a serious writer they may feel unappreciated and unloved..lol
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Lacey K. Jan 22, 2009, 6:28pm EST
Oh gosh! lol! Yup, her loss!
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kimberly g. Jan 22, 2009, 6:28pm EST
Jessica, leave all the comments for the rest of us. Lol.
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Chelle M. Jan 22, 2009, 6:35pm EST
I still love ya Jessica! You can view any of my stuff and leave your generic comment. It's cause you do look at my stuff and comment with non generic comments 99.9% of the time that I don't find it at all bothersome.
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Diane "stormyz" B. Jan 22, 2009, 6:35pm EST
Oh well, I guess you can't please everyone.

She may disconnect from me as well, I leave a "generic" comment to content posted to my groups. If someone wants to be that petty, no great loss.
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Diane "stormyz" B. Jan 22, 2009, 6:36pm EST
Left ya a 10. :)
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Amanda "middle of nowhere" C. Jan 22, 2009, 6:38pm EST
You can leave me generic comments any time.
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Chris E. Jan 22, 2009, 6:41pm EST
Well that was pretty rude. Like mentioned before. Their loss not yours.
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Ariel Storm Jan 22, 2009, 6:47pm EST
I generally don't mind generic comments. However when I post to news and politics I usually express a viewpoint and appreciate the discussion that follows.
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Alexis Newell Jan 22, 2009, 6:55pm EST
LOL. I guess some people have to have the spotlight to be rude. You can leave me all the comments you were originally wasting on them. :)
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Sassy ... the calm and cool Cat Jan 22, 2009, 7:04pm EST
I happen to agree with her
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Lucky M. Jan 22, 2009, 7:10pm EST
*posts generic comment and runs*
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Linda G. Jan 22, 2009, 7:13pm EST
anger!
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daniel s. Jan 22, 2009, 7:14pm EST
I only ping Jessica S.. I live to ping Jessica's profile. Ok I will hush.
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Linda G. Jan 22, 2009, 7:14pm EST
I too get tired of some of the generic comments, but I also get many thoughtful ones and appreciate the effort. I disconnect "friend" that simple write "stopoing by to leave you a 10" or "nic pic."
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Linda G. Jan 22, 2009, 7:14pm EST
Besides,I turned my ping mode off soon after it debuted
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Sassy ... the calm and cool Cat Jan 22, 2009, 7:15pm EST
She should have told you that posting the same comment over and over and over again is against Gathers TOS (terms of service) and could get you in trouble with management.
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Kevin (''The SiteWizard'') V. Jan 22, 2009, 7:18pm EST
Jessica,

You will find some members that are not very fond of generic 'copy and paste' comments. FYI, pasting the comments you have across the community does violate Gather's Terms of Service (TOS). So, perhaps you're fortunate that someone only pinged you instead of reporting you.
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Pat D. Jan 22, 2009, 7:30pm EST
So if those generic cut and paste comments are against the rules, why are the people who do it still here, and still spamming up the place?

What is the point of having a TOS if there is no consequences?
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Kevin (''The SiteWizard'') V. Jan 22, 2009, 7:52pm EST
Pat,

Gather typically takes no action in this regard unless the activity is reported by members of the community. Therefore, when you see generic comments pasted over and over again throught the community, you may report the member using the Member Support form.
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Jessica S. Jan 22, 2009, 7:57pm EST
I had no idea it was against the TOS... i would never have done it... i just like to make sure that i at least visit and help out my friends...

no more "generic" commenting for me...

thanks for the comments, y'all!
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adam w. Jan 22, 2009, 8:02pm EST
Good googley moogley! I think ya rock Jessica! :.)
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Lori Cee is trying to make a dollar out of 15 cents. Jan 22, 2009, 8:10pm EST
Ew! Why even bother leaving a ping to say this??


....because she wanted to speak her mind and thought you, as an adult, could handle it?
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Carol B Jan 22, 2009, 8:13pm EST
I don't know who she is but I am not connected to her. Funny that she would complain about the pay it forward thing. Is she a member of that group? Don't let it get to you.
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Amanda C. Jan 22, 2009, 8:16pm EST
I guess she could have sent a pm instead, that way everyone who views your profile can't see it.
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Elise w. Jan 22, 2009, 8:18pm EST
maybe she doesn't understand the meaning. maybe someone should explain it to her. I didn't know what PIF meant the other day. maybe I'm a little slow catching on, but I figured it out. Maybe she doesn't really know what PIF means and what "pay it forward" means. I wouldn't write her off until you give her a fair chance. explain to her what it is and means and then if she still bashes it, then that's her decision.
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*LORA* M. Jan 22, 2009, 8:23pm EST
ok
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sarah g. Jan 22, 2009, 8:34pm EST
for real??????? Why are some people just so freakin' petty???? *sigh*
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Nan G. Jan 22, 2009, 8:37pm EST
I understand that doing a repeated copy paste is against the TOS of this site but golly gee, how many post can you visit and be clever with each one. It's tough if you are trying to get some points or just fulfill your obligation to respond to others comments on your work.

Perhaps she just had a bad day. If not just delete her and move on.
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Elizabeth B. Jan 22, 2009, 8:41pm EST
Generic comments are fine with me...heck there is not that many hours in the day to get thru all the posts and photos and such if you must write a book at each :>}
could be she is feeling a bit grumpy today..... sometimes hormones ....... and life, do that to a person :>}
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Ms. Meacham: Money Maven Jan 22, 2009, 8:47pm EST
Ironic. Good points on both sides of the generic-comment fence...
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Kim M. Jan 22, 2009, 8:53pm EST
That's sad that she felt the need to do that to you. Whenever I'm doing the pay it forward group, I do have a pasted comment, but always leave something else that's specific about the picture or article that I'm viewing. That way they know I was there enjoying their content and also which group sent me. =)
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Debra (Gather SiteWarrior Extraordinaire) Jan 22, 2009, 9:19pm EST
Yep, I'm an A'hole. An A$$hole!

because I prefer CONVERSATION, intellectual intercourse, ranting and raving, rather than generic comments. I don't need your cheap points!

Have a nice one.
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Lori Cee is trying to make a dollar out of 15 cents. Jan 22, 2009, 9:27pm EST
denis leary is so hawt....
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Lori Cee is trying to make a dollar out of 15 cents. Jan 22, 2009, 9:28pm EST
....in a denis leary sort of way.
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Debra (Gather SiteWarrior Extraordinaire) Jan 22, 2009, 9:36pm EST
Yes He Is. Hawt A-double S- H.O- L.E.
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Charlene C. Jan 22, 2009, 9:48pm EST
Hmmmm... how rude!
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Jessica S. Jan 22, 2009, 9:50pm EST
for the record, debra, i never called you an "A$$HOLE," I just feel that you could have private messaged me what you pinged instead of leaving it for the world to see with the attitude that you had... the reason why i was connected to you was because i read something of yours that i liked at one point... I didn't think it would offend you to know that I had at least stopped by and read something of yours...

grrr
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Beth - Doing God's work Daily J. Jan 22, 2009, 10:06pm EST
Good luck on making your goal.
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Lori Cee is trying to make a dollar out of 15 cents. Jan 22, 2009, 10:07pm EST
"....I just feel that you could have private messaged me what you pinged instead of leaving it for the world to see...."


actually, it was you who left it for the "world" to see and then published this post, drawing attention to it.
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Debra (Gather SiteWarrior Extraordinaire) Jan 22, 2009, 10:11pm EST
grrr back atcha!

I let you connect because I thought you were going to be involved in the discussions.. not some point whoring rampage. You put that on almost every article I visited today where there was serious discussion going on. And if you are going to be public, so am I.

And no, I knew nothing of the group. I didn't report it, but it probably will be now by someone. It's against TOS, It's annoying, rude and out of place unless you want to do it in private with just your friends.

I'm not here for the points. I am here for the discussions, and friendships.

top of the page.


LOL... That's just the funniest thing I've read all day, what an a hole...
Jody Swaney, Jan 22, 2009, 6:18pm EST

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Jessica S. Jan 22, 2009, 10:26pm EST
"actually, it was you who left it for the "world" to see and then published this post, drawing attention to it. "

lori, pings are public... anyone who visits my profile can read them... i just thought it was a nasty thing to live publicly on someone's profile... especially someone who just came by to show support.

debra....

"point whoring rampage"

LOL!

now THAT is the funniest thing I have heard all day. i don't CARE if someone reports me because i wasn't doing anything wrong.... i didn't KNOW it was against TOS...

if you are here for the "friendships," then why would it bother you that someone was just trying to be a FRIEND and help you out?

i'm sorry that i offended you with my misguided goodwill... you can trust that it will never happen again.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Jan 22, 2009, 10:26pm EST

for real??????? Why are some people just so freakin' petty???? *sigh


Because this is supposed to be an adult site. "Social networking grown up." Does anyone really think generic comments and saying a bunch of nothing "to help out friends" is grown up?
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Jessica S. Jan 22, 2009, 10:27pm EST
oops, meant to say "leave" not "live" above... just in case my lack of correct spelling offends you, too
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Jessica S. Jan 22, 2009, 10:28pm EST
OMG! Sandy, I did this ONE time! I see it all over this site CONSTANTLY, and it's like I'm being beat up for doing it ONE time!!!
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Lori F. Jan 22, 2009, 10:35pm EST
Generic comments copied and pasted have always been against the TOS...well for as long as I have been on gather.

Not picking one way or another but perhaps before you joined you may have spent some time reading the TOS and known what you were getting your self into.

I have seen a rise of copy and paste comments...big sigh.
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Debra (Gather SiteWarrior Extraordinaire) Jan 22, 2009, 10:39pm EST
Jessica, when someone never communicates with me, but then leaves generic comments, it says they're NOT interested in me, they are interested in POINTS.

You can delete the ping.. I believe. If not..I think I can do it, if you'd like.

Okay, you made a mistake, and didn't know it was against TOS. but I'll let you in on a secret, Gather staff will blatantly tell you that it is your responsibility to read and know the TOS when you register. No excuses. (I've learned they change it occasionally, without announcing it.)
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Debra (Gather SiteWarrior Extraordinaire) Jan 22, 2009, 10:42pm EST
I see it all over this site CONSTANTLY, and it's like I'm being beat up for doing it ONE time!!!

I made ONE comment, in a ping to you, letting you know why I was disconnecting. YOU wrote an article (seeking support?) You asked for it. Now you know.
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Lori F. Jan 22, 2009, 10:48pm EST
Most people just disconnect without even bothering to let you know.
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Jessica S. Jan 22, 2009, 10:50pm EST
fine. go have fun having "CONVERSATION, intellectual intercourse, ranting and raving, rather than generic comments" on Gather. sorry I connected with you to begin with! geez! at least you got what you wanted in THIS post.
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Dave L. Jan 22, 2009, 10:51pm EST
most of my comments are generic, I hope I don t get pinged
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Jessica S. Jan 22, 2009, 10:52pm EST
dave, don't sweat it... someone had it out for me to begin with, i guess. i learned my lesson, though! :)
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James C. Jan 22, 2009, 10:57pm EST
Marilyn M.,

I get the impression that you are familiar with the "pay it forward" thing. Can you explain it to where my simple brain might understand? Makes no sense to me whatsoever now!
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Debra (Gather SiteWarrior Extraordinaire) Jan 22, 2009, 10:59pm EST
Don't be such a victim, Jessica.

Thank you for the conversation on your thread. Sorry it couldn't happen on mine. Such is life.

Take care.
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James C. Jan 22, 2009, 11:04pm EST
Don't know about others, but I will leave brief, generic comments on articles that I read and may well enjoy and find interesting. Often everything worth saying has been already stated or i simply cannot think of a meaningful comment. If that is objectionable to someone please let me know and I won't bother going to your articles, but remember, a generic comment from me doesn't mean I didn't find the article interesting.

I never copy and past comments. And all who wish to leave generic comments on my articles will be welcomed. By generic from me, I mean such as "interesting article" or "thanks for the information" and similar brief comments.
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Lori F. Jan 22, 2009, 11:08pm EST
James I think the issue here is when all someone does is copy and paste "thanks for sharing" comments.

It is a violation of TOS and if this is all you see in your feed it does get rather annoying.

I have gotten to the point that I am disconnecting from people that just do games and generic stuff.

Nothing against the person but its just not what I am here for.
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Lori F. Jan 22, 2009, 11:09pm EST
And James I do the same thing every once in a while. I think we all do but to do it 3,000 times a day just so you can scam points is the issue here.
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Jessica S. Jan 22, 2009, 11:15pm EST
my point in posting this is why leave such a public comment on my profile about it... why not just quietly disconnect from me? i completely understand if people have a problem with it... i completely understand (now) that it is a violation of TOS...

i just don't understand why someone had to be kind of nasty about it...
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Lisa C. Jan 22, 2009, 11:18pm EST
Feel free to give me generic comments until you are blue in the face! Seriously, on how many photos can you give an original comment? I might say Great photo, Nice shot, etc. Not copy and paste, but jeez!
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Debra (Gather SiteWarrior Extraordinaire) Jan 22, 2009, 11:20pm EST
Leaving a short comment to let someone know you enjoyed the article is not the same as someone leaving cut and paste comments on every article. When you visit, even without commenting you give and receive points. Cut and paste comments will fill someone's feed for pages, which doesn't allow you to find friends comments without having to go back a couple of pages.

Like Lori said, it's scamming the system when people do this... and all of us suffer for it. It is not helping. It causes Gather to cut back on the value of the points to even it out. That's what I heard... but not sure if it's a fact.
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Lori F. Jan 22, 2009, 11:22pm EST
Jessica not to be snarky but you were so upset that you received that ping so instead of deleting it and going about your business you post it here with the intent to again gain MORE points.

If this hurt your feelings so badly then why enhance that with this thread? Oh thats right MORE POINTS.
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Debra (Gather SiteWarrior Extraordinaire) Jan 22, 2009, 11:23pm EST
Jessica, I wasn't nasty (trust me, you don't want to see me become nasty) I was matter of fact. Why did you have to post a public article about it? So you could see how many people would call me names?
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Lori F. Jan 22, 2009, 11:30pm EST
So true....someone told me on a thread a year or so ago that I sucked Donkeys bodily parts. Now thats nasty.
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Debra (Gather SiteWarrior Extraordinaire) Jan 22, 2009, 11:33pm EST
lol. I know it wasn't me, Lori. I wouldn't stoop that low.
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Lori F. Jan 22, 2009, 11:33pm EST
And I dont know if anyone has explained this but here is how gather points work.

Gather get xx amount of advertising dollars..out of that they pay salaries and other operating expenses..whatever is left over is divided between the members in the form of points which can be redeemed for GC or paypal payments.

So your pointless whiny thread should get the same amount of points as someones well thought out one?

And you should get just as many points for leaving thousands of generic comments when others go thru and think and have adult conversations? Nope dont think so.
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Lori F. Jan 22, 2009, 11:35pm EST
Trust me Debra I remember very well who said that. Its one of those things you never forget the birth of your kids, your first love or the guy that said you suck donkey you know whats.
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Joe T. Jan 22, 2009, 11:38pm EST
One of the reasons that I don't belong to the "Pay it Forward" group is that it comes with the responsibility of commenting on so many articles. Frankly, I just don't have the time for that sort of commitment.

I do think that pings are an entirely different matter. They are a more personal way of staying in touch with another member. So, to my way of thinking, they should be held to a higher standard.

Yes, Lori, that was nasty. Someone called me a "douchebag" once. I have to laugh at such silliness. What is going on in people's minds??????
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Jan 22, 2009, 11:47pm EST
I'm not a big fan of generic comments. I've never done it myself. I feel if a person is going to take the time to say they were at a post, leaving a generic also tells them the person didn't take the time to read it or even glance at it. I've seen the generic's on some threads where it was down right inappropriate to leave a happy go lucky, smiling generic comment, but the people didn't know that because they didn't bother to read the article.

I think if that's how someone wants to spend their time gathering (by leaving the generics), then that's up to them. However, I chose to spend my time conversing, and reading what's happening around the Gather-verse.

I was -briefly- a part of the PIF group, but my comments were always specialized towards the content of the post. It was never just a "Paying it forward" type of comment. For an even shorter time, I added the paying it forward to the end of my actual comment, but I felt like I was telling the person I was only there because of that.

The true meaning of paying something forward isn't in drawing attention to one's self, but to give of yourself to someone else, in the hopes that they in turn will give of themselves to someone else in the future.
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Debra (Gather SiteWarrior Extraordinaire) Jan 22, 2009, 11:49pm EST
And I dont know if anyone has explained this but here is how gather points work.

Another thing that should be added is that on discussion threads, you are only counted for the first visit/comment. So, no matter how long the discussion is among a group of friends, they're not racking up points between them.
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Elaine A. Jan 22, 2009, 11:54pm EST
I often have much to say but I do leave short comments once in a while, when I do leave short comments it is only for the reason that with my pinched nerves and (now) arthritis in my hands it is very hard to type. That is also why once in a while typos are often in my comments. I hope everyone understands.
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Elaine A. Jan 22, 2009, 11:57pm EST
Debra I did not know that, about Gather points geeze I do learn something new everyday, well maybe it is because Gather TOS changes so often, thank you for posting that comment.
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Debra (Gather SiteWarrior Extraordinaire) Jan 22, 2009, 11:58pm EST
If Jessica was truly interested in anything about me, and actually read any of my articles, since she was on my "friends" list, she might not have missed this:

from my article posted last week




"What annoys me most are posts and comments that serve no purpose other than point-whoring. "

I get rid of connections who do this. It fills my feed with "nice pic" twenty times in a row.

I do the same for those who play word games. I just don't want to see it on my feed.

As for the rest.. I don't read those types of articles.

I'm actually working towards making connections with those who produce articles with interesting topics and great conversations.

People don't have to be "perfect". I can read an article full of typos, as long as the message is well thought out and understandable.
Debra W, Jan 15, 2009, 12:10pm EST
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Ellie !. Jan 23, 2009, 12:01am EST
Choose your friends so that their content interests you and yours interests them...then just do your thing. I've quietly disconnected from people who bore me, are mean, narrow-minded or dumb as that donkey's part Lori keeps talking about.
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Larry H. Jan 23, 2009, 12:25am EST
DISCONNECTED FROM ME.... HMMMMMMM
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Jessica S. Jan 23, 2009, 12:38am EST
ok, i can't believe this thread has gotten so long. LOL! i figured it would get one or two comments like "too bad" "that sucks" whatever. i'm over it.
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Lori Cee is trying to make a dollar out of 15 cents. Jan 23, 2009, 7:04am EST
Seriously, on how many photos can you give an original comment?


seriously, how old are you? ive got 2nd graders who can talk for days without repeating the same thing. (and the one 2nd grader who belongs to me just read this and whispered, "yes! alright!" in my ear.)
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Marianne R. Jan 23, 2009, 7:41am EST
I don't mind generic comments.
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Jean E. Jan 23, 2009, 8:48am EST
bless your heart ~ I've always thought a generic comment was better than nothing at all....and sometimes, it truly IS all the time we have ~ big hug ~ and you can leave a generic comment for me ANYtime~j
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☀ Aunt Shanny Jan 23, 2009, 8:53am EST
I don't mind generic comments either, but I probably won't try as hard to return comments on their content. It seems like those that leave generic comments don't post original content all that often.

Just my observation.
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Alex In Wonderland Jan 23, 2009, 10:43am EST
I guess it is better than the person dumping you and not giving you an explanation. Maybe?
I think I would want to know why someone suddenly quit on me.
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Julie Ann Dawson Jan 23, 2009, 11:22am EST
i didn't KNOW it was against TOS...

So you agreed to be legally bound to the TOS, but never actually read it?

I enjoy silly comments on my articles. I enjoy thoughtful comments on my articles. Hell, I even enjoy mean-spirited comments on my articles. They all imply that someone actually read what I posted and it inspired them to an action.

But I fall into the "hate generic comments camp". It's lazy. Comment because I said something you felt was interesting. No because you want me to spam your articles with generic comments too. And it IS annoying as all hell to view my "friend" activity and see nothing but four dozen "Jane Doe posted a comment " Just stopping to say hi!" Frankly, it clogs everything up and makes it hard to find actual interesting stuff to read.
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Bridget ♥ Jan 23, 2009, 12:01pm EST
That's their loss!
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daniel s. Jan 23, 2009, 12:15pm EST
bless your heart ~ I've always thought a generic comment was better than nothing at all....and sometimes, it truly IS all the time we have ~ big hug ~ and you can leave a generic comment for me ANYtime~j

Voted sweetest reply of the month Jan 2009
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Ginger C. Jan 23, 2009, 1:14pm EST
Any and all comments are welcome! Some peoples kids!
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Heather W. Jan 23, 2009, 1:40pm EST
I don't mind generic comments occasionally, but if all you can say on my stuff, all of the time is a crappy comment then you obviously don't take more than a second to look at what is published.

Also that pay it forward crap is an instant boot from my list. It's annoying, self serving and a way for people to say "look at me! I'm doing good aren't I special?"

"paying it forward" isn't about shouting it from the mountains. . . that group is entirely backwards of the intent of that phrase.
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Μόףףý ● ķ ~ Jan 23, 2009, 1:52pm EST
Hmm, maybe you could have sent them a private message to tell him/her this?
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Nellie (Unofficial Official Gather AZZ Kicker) Jan 23, 2009, 3:01pm EST
generic... smiles
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