MICE SHAKING THEIR FISTS AT A LION..............

Maybe all guys whose names are Osama are idiots? I don't know.

Thanks for posting.

They are hoping the other Arab states will join them. Don't bet on it

thanks for sharing...Im trying not to be afraid of WW3

Israel, as usual, started it...back in November:

Israel broke the cease-fire agreement back in November:

"A four-month ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza was in jeopardy today after Israeli troops killed six Hamas gunmen in a raid into the territory.

Hamas responded by firing a wave of rockets into southern Israel, although no one was injured. The violence represented the most serious break in a ceasefire agreed in mid-June, yet both sides suggested they wanted to return to atmosphere of calm.

Israeli troops crossed into the Gaza Strip late last night near the town of Deir al-Balah."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/05/israelandthepalestinians

Mice? Israel doesn't seem to think so:

"Gaza, as Israelis know only too well, is one mammoth refugee camp. Its narrow alleys, incapable of being negotiated by Merkava tanks, will force Israeli soldiers out into the open. Gaza, in the Israeli imagination, is a death trap.

Similarly, no one has forgotten the heavy toll on Israeli soldiers during the ground war with Hezbollah in 2006. In a country such as Israel, with a citizen army, the public has become positively phobic of a war in which large numbers of its sons will be placed in the firing line.

That fear is only heightened by reports in the Israeli media that Hamas is praying for the chance to engage Israel's army in serious combat. The decision to sacrifice many soldiers in Gaza is not one Mr. Barak, leader of the Labor Party, will take lightly with an election in six weeks.

But there is another concern that has given him equal cause to hesitate.

Despite the popular rhetoric in Israel, no senior official really believes Hamas can be destroyed, either from the air or with brigades of troops. It is simply too entrenched in Gaza."

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/cook.php?articleid=13988

Remember David and Goliath?

The Warsaw Ghetto, also, refused to submit.

thank you for sharing this

Thanks for posting! Its all over the web and the news papers, everywhere you look. I guess we'd all get bored if it was just good news everywhere.

Why didn't you finish the third paragraph, Felix??......

"Israeli troops crossed into the Gaza Strip late last night near the town of Deir al-Balah. The Israeli military said the target of the raid was a tunnel that they said Hamas was planning to use to capture Israeli soldiers positioned on the border fence 250m away. Four Israeli soldiers were injured in the operation, two moderately and two lightly, the military said."

Hamas are terrorist pigs.

Felix, The only solution you have left the Israelis is to flatten Gaza as we fattened Berlin. If they decide to do that no one will stop them

So, are you saying this is all Great Britain's fault??.....

Ho hum, we have heard all this terrorist diatribe before. Wiping Israel/infidels off the face of the Earth has been going on so long it is almost a laugher. To bad so many innocent people have to die while Hamas lets fly with bellicose comments.

In the first Iraq war I remember somebody of note threatening the, "Mother of all wars."

Been there, heard that.

Berf,

'The Israeli military said'

Oh, don't take me wrong, Sandy.....I agree that Lord Peel was an absolute idiot. An ignoramus of the highest order. And the members of UNSCOP knew as much about Jews and Arabs as they did about the dark side of the moon. But, Jewish sympathy was quite high in 1947 and Palestinan sympathy did not become in vogue until much more recently.

"The escalation towards war could and should have been avoided. It was the State of Israel which broke the truce, in the 'ticking tunnel' raid on the night of the US elections two months ago. Since then the army went on stoking the fires of escalation with calculated raids and killings, whenever the shooting of missiles on Israel decreased.

The cycle of bloodshed could and should be broken. The ceasefire can be restored immediately, and on firmer foundations. It is the right of Israel to demand a complete end to shooting on its territory and citizens – but it must stop all attacks from its side, end completely the siege and starvation of Gaza's million and half inhabitants, and stop interfering with the Palestinians' right to choose their own leaders.

Ehud Barak's declaration that he is stopping the elections campaign in order to concentrate on the Gaza offensive is a joke. The war in Gaza is itself Barak's elections campaign, a cynical attempt to buy votes with the blood and suffering in Netivot and Sderot, Gaza and Beit Hanun. Also so-called peace seekers such as Amos Oz — who give this offensive their support and encouragement — could not afterwards shrug off responsibility.

Emphasis added. Unlike the Hamas rocket attacks it sparked, the so-called "ticking tunnel" raid did not make world headlines. It was noted at the time (Nov. 5) by Israel's YNet:

IDF leaves Gaza after op, 6 gunmen killed

IDF troops have completed their operation in the Gaza Strip, and are currently preparing to leave the Hamas-ruled Palestinian territory."

more at: http://www.ww4report.com/node/6572

Hey, I'm not saying that the Palestinans aren't being treated like crap or that their daily existence isn't a facsimile of hell on earth. But, why do they continually insist on making the overall situation worse for themselves??

Because they are not mice.

I don't really believe people are now blaming the UK and US over this mess???
What a load of horse crap!
Look at who actually did this, and look at where the Palistines had actually had their land.

Rome gave Palistine the land in the 7th century for helping them with the Jewish uprising. They got the northern quarter of Judea, and the southern half of Syria.
THe issues started with the UN giving the Jews Isreal, then when the Palistines got Gaza, Arafat started this crap after being released from Jail on numerous counts of Mureder and other charges, because of UN pressure.
He then with help from Egypt and Iran developed the PLO which then caused the development of the other terror groups that we see today, especially HAMAS.
Isreal and Gaza have both broken the peace treaties so much I loose count on who is now ahead.
But if not for the UN and for Arafat, then none of this would be happening. Lets get things straight here.

Because they will not submit to the jackboot of oppression:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf7P2zKu-Yk&feature=related

"Because of the unconditional support of the entire political class in the US, from the White House to Congress, including both Parties, incoming and outgoing elected officials and all the principle print and electronic mass media, the Israeli Government feels no compunction in publicly proclaiming a detailed and graphic account of its policy of mass extermination of the population of Gaza.

Israel’s sustained and comprehensive bombing campaign of every aspect of governance, civic institutions and society is directed toward destroying civilized life in Gaza. Israel’s totalitarian vision is driven by the practice of a permanent purge of Arab Palestine informed by Zionism, an ethno-racist ideology, promulgated by the Jewish state and justified, enforced and pursued by its organized backers in the United States.

The facts of Israeli extermination have become known: In the first six days of round the clock terror bombing of major and minor populations centers, the Jewish State has murdered and seriously maimed over 2,500 people, mostly dismembered and burned in the open ovens of missile fire. Scores of children and women have been slaughtered as well as defenseless civilians and officials.

They have sealed off all access to Gaza and declared it a military, free fire zone, while expanding their target to include the entire population of 1.5 millions semi-starved prisoners."

more at: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21613.htm

Unfortunately they aren't mice. Israel is about the size of New Jersey, and has about 3 million people. It's easy to kill a lot of people with one old missile left over from the Cold War. The real problem is that these people *want* war.

To stop the battle would be horrific in the eyes of Hamas. Shaking their fists in the face of the enemy is valorous even though they(Hamas)know they cannot win. It's a matter of Nationalism and pride for these people. I wish everyone could understand this.

thanks for sharing with us

I have to laugh when I read about the protesting over Israel's response to the rocket fire from the Gaza strip (only about 3,000 rockets fired in 2008)

If I go up to one of the biggest kids in my neighborhood and kick him in the shins, then I have no right to complain when he sends me home with a pair of black eyes and a bloody nose do I?

Berf, the same thing happened in Viet Nam. I remember a comment made by one of the teachers in my class on war a few years ago. They pointed out that when we entered the war in Viet Nam, we thought we had it made. We, by far, have more weapons, more money, more technology, and nice uniforms with great shoes!!! But, those Vietnamese without any of those things, little money, outdated weapons, etc., etc., had something we didn't count on...They felt they were defending their homeland. In the case of Hamas, they believe they have God on their side, so they are bigger than the US, AND they are defending their homeland. Defense of one's homeland brings one's spirit into the fight. It pulls them together as a people and makes them ready to move into the line of fire if their brothers fall. Also, they are losing their children. If you are watching your babies die, it will make you want to kill the suckers that are doing it, even if it means your own death. I guess in order to understand, you have to ask yourself, this: "If there were any power greater, money wise/weapon wise/number of troops wise, and they invaded us here on our home soil, how long would you fight before you gave up? If they killed your son or daughter in front of your eyes, would that make you more determined to get them? Or less?

Terry, you too are confused.

Vietnam, the greatest disgrace in American History in my opinion, had NOTHING to do with "shiny shoes and nicer uniforms." It had EVERYTHING to do with morons in the State Department who listened to a bunch of whining hippies. They fought a "policy" of "measured Warfare," and lost. Sound familiar? Hmmm...I wonder why all of the fools TODAY think that it is "not nice" to kill more Palestinians than they have killed Jews? Idiots.

As I have said; War is designed to break things and Kill people, and to WIN. Period.

If the thugs in the Gaza want this to stop, they can stop lobbing rockets into innocent Israeli neighbourhoods. And, if it is far too late now, for the Jews, I wouldn't place an iota of blame on them.

And, Felix, that makes a total of about 6,000 in the past three years. This time, Israel had BETTER do more than just slap them around. They need to finish this.

The fact that the media is printing propaganda statements from terrorists shows the level of the information we are receiving about this conflict.

If the pro-Palestinian commenters on Gather are willing to support Hamas based on this taurine defecation, then it is not worth continuing the discussion.

In this region, there was war, is war,and probably always will be war. For centuries this is all they have known. It reminds me of the story about the chimps and the bananas on the pole! Call it nationalism, call it pride, whatever.... blame it on US involvement, lack of US involvement, Hamas, Isrealis, Jews, Palestine, etc, ... it's still war with no end. There is war because the people there CHOSE war. I don't believe they want war... but I don't see them making amends to end the war. Yes, it's a global problem... but only the local people hold the solution.

"Many analogies are being made between the ongoing Israeli attack against Hamas in Gaza and the 2006 war between Israel and Hizbullah in Lebanon. Here are the most important ones, in my view. The first relates to provenance: Hamas and Hizbullah did not exist before the early 1980s. Their birth and strength must be understood largely as a response to Israel's occupation and colonization policies in Palestine and Lebanon, alongside other secondary reasons.

Hamas and Hizbullah are the ideological stepchildren of the Likud Party and especially of Ariel Sharon, whose embrace of violence, racism and colonization as the primary means of dealing with occupied Arab populations ultimately generated a will to resist. The trio that carries on Sharon's legacy of brutality - Ehud Olmert, Ehud Barak and Tzipi Livni - seems genetically blind to the fact that the more force and brutality Israel uses against Arabs, the greater is the response in the form of more effective resistance movements that have wider public support.

The second analogy relates to technical proficiency. Hizbullah and Hamas have both consistently increased their determination and ability to use rockets to harass and attack Israel. More importantly, they are better able to protect their rocket launchers from pre-emptive Israeli attacks.

The number of Israeli dead in recent years has been in the low hundreds, compared to the thousands of Palestinians that Israel has killed. But destruction and body counts are not the most useful criteria to use in this analysis. The real measure of what matters politically is the nagging Israeli sense of vulnerability and the Palestinian sense of empowerment, defiance, and capacity to fight back.

It is a gruesome but tangible victory for Hamas simply to be able to keep firing 30 or 40 rockets a day at southern Israel, while Israel systematically destroys much of the security and civilian infrastructure in Gaza. The David and Goliath story is being reversed - in exactly the same region in southern Palestine-Israel where the story took place in the Bible."

more at: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=98798

"The "Israeli model" has long been held up by hawks in the United States as the gold standard for dealing with adversarial nation-states, guerrillas, and terrorists. The storyline goes that Israel is a small country surrounded by aggressive enemies that use unfair measures (including terrorism) to try to wipe it off the face of the map. Therefore, the thinking in Israel is that to survive, the Israelis must use disproportionate tactics to show how tough they are to instill fear in their vicious enemies. This paradigm, practiced by Israel since its inception in 1948, has been tactically sound and strategically disastrous.

It is a myth that throughout its history Israel has been outgunned by the Arabs. During and since the war over its creation in 1948, the Israelis have always had superior military power, resources, and training compared to the Arab states. As a result, oftentimes, Israel has been able to successfully deliver overwhelming and disproportionate blows to its enemies. Despite this tactical strength, Israel's enemies just seem to keep coming back and getting angrier. In other words, overwhelming tactical military victories don't deal with the social and political causes of the intense hate that Israel engenders. Because these root causes remain, Israel will continue to need to take draconian measures to ensure its security – for example, conducting the current heavy military attacks on Gaza.

Israel doesn't seem to get that superior power doesn't buy security as long as the adversary's grievance lingers. The enemy just gets more desperate and resorts to terrorism – either the suicide bombing of civilians or the firing of inaccurate rockets into Israeli towns from outside. Enlightened opinion in Israel should see the strategic idiocy in decades of living as a powerful armed camp and using a dominant military to either tactically defeat your enemies or quarantine them into giant pens – the West Bank and Gaza – and suppress them. If Israel would settle this 60-year state of war with its neighbors by giving up control over land that was taken by force from the Arabs in 1967, the Arabs and Israelis could grow rich together by conducting cross-border trade and investment and luring lucrative foreign investment from outside the region.

Of course, it is easy for observers outside the region to see how such a settlement of the Palestine problem could be reached on paper; it is much harder to overcome the decades of hatred to actually implement it. And Israel has no incentive to give up control over the land because it has overwhelming tactical military superiority and the support of a superpower. Yet Israel needs to put aside hatred of Arabs and solve the underlying grievance or violence will continue even if Israel launches a ground invasion of Gaza to take out Hamas."

more at: http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=2400

I think this shows the level of irrational thought on both sides.

Lera, you should think again about your generalisations, which border on the childish and ignorant. You may have the support of others but that doesn't prove that the opinion is going to do any good.

Peace.

Whooo hoooo!!!!! Thank you Mark-John!!! Being told I'm confused by you really let me know I'm not!

Tammy, I agree with you. Only the local people, who are involved in the war, can come up with a solution.

Marsha, the Book of Revelations must be interpreted. If your interpretation says that God will intervene on Israel's behalf, then that's good. I don't believe that will happen because I interpret that book differently than you do. But, I'd love to see an end to children dying or being held in camps.

Lera, Hamas are terrorists because they are bombing. Israelis are heros because they are bombing. Interesting.

Felix. I love that you use references in all your posts!

Tammy,

What is the story about the monkeys, the pole and the bananas? If it is long and you don't want to post it here, could you email or private message me with it, thanks!!!

Is terrorist only mission to kill?

Priscilla,

To change a political situation by any means necessary, which usually means violence, against the most innocent of victims in order to intimidate others into their (the terrorists) way of thinking.