You know, I never thought I'd be writing an article like this. That being said, have y'all ever found yourselves in a situation as a writer where you've seen enough and read enough of something that you now feel you have to write about it? I think that's the point where I'm at now, so I'm going to follow my instincts and scribe whatever this turns out to be.
In the past three or four days here on Gather I've read two articles where both writers shared deep anguish. Their themes were both similar and simple - someone or somebody on here on Gather had either mocked them, mocked their writings, or were simply being a "troll" towards them. In both cases the people involved expressed anger, hurt, and were even considering leaving Gather in order to solve the problem. That bothered me, because both people seem to be very nice, solid types, and a quick check of their writings didn't indicate anything that should be bothering anyone else. So, I looked deeper into their situations, and in doing so discovered first hand their "trolls" and their comments. After reading them, I figured it was time to add my two cents worth in on this whole assho...er, troll issue. So, here goes...
First, Gather is a good place, a much better online hang-out than most of the popular social networking sites available. Generally speaking, the people are more professional, more mature, and it doesn't have the "meat market" feel of a MySpace or Facebook.com. It's a great place for writers, a great place to hang out, read other writers' offerings, and to simply enjoy oneself.
That being said, in any population of people you have good people, benign people, and then you have assho....er, trolls. These are the people who, in the end, regardless of what tact they use, are there simply to hurt someone else. It's that simple. They may be jealous of the person involved, jealous of how they write, or jealous of something else equally stupid. Sometimes they want attention so badly that they utilize the pro wrestling "heel" methodology, that is, they go negative because it gains them attention that they can't achieve any other way. Their personalities in and of themselves won't draw flies, their writings are typically mediocre to poor, so they resort to jumping up on a virtual chair and screaming hate. And, down deep, they fervently hope people respond. It's to them what blood is to the vampire, ill-gotten, but needed. Some tell-tale clues which will always identify the troll-ish amongst us:
1. They typically offer no real picture of themselves.
2. They typically they hide their names.
3. The person they target has probably never met them in their lives and actually knows very little real information about them.
If you read their pages you'll always understand why. Usually boredom reigns supreme when you really take a dip and understand what they're all about. And, that's when you start understanding why they're what they are, and why they go on the attack. They offer nothing else, and it's easier for them to blame others than accept the fact that they're boring, less than talented, or all of the above.
Now, let's get on to some good stuff. The good news is that these type people are amazingly easy to deal with. You only have to do two things:
1. Ignore them. Publicly responding gives them the fuel they thrive on, as you're really telling them that they're getting next to you, that you notice them. Worst thing you can do. Just forget their existence and move on with yours.
2. If they post something on your page or add comments to one of your postings and they bother you, simply delete them. Get rid of it. You'll find that when they have to use their own pages to shoot arrows at someone that they're not nearly as effective as they are when they use yours. Why? Hell, just take a look at the assho/troll's page, you'll find out! They usually can't draw anyone to theirs on their own, so they know, down deep, that they have to use yours in order to gain badly desired attention. Badly needed attention. And believe me, they're brazen enough to do so with a straight face, in fact, sometimes they'll even get self-righteous on you on your own page as a means of justifying their own sleazy conduct.
Let's face it, if you don't like someone or their writings, the simple, polite, and most common sense thing to do is just not read them at all. There's some great content here on Gather, and there's also a bit that's so banal that you end up regretting even the mouse click it took to get to it. I think most of us accept and understand that. So, if someone goes out of their way to say something nasty or mean towards you, in the end it says much more about them or what they're about than it does about you, their intended targets. They don't like you, they want to hurt you, and they're not above using your own profile to accomplish that. Don't let them!
So see how easy dealing with it can be? If you'll just make yourself do these two things you'll get past it. For God's sake, don't publicly write about it and give them even more cause to go after you! Attention drives them! Just move on, move past them, and spend your Gather time dealing with people who are worth expending your time on. Gather is a wonderful place, and these two common sense steps can make it even better!


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The flip side, of course, is that comments = points = cash in hand, so some people simply create controversy so they can get Gather points. I suspect that at least some of the "trolls" are actually stalking their own alter egos - the good cop/bad cop routine to drum up points. Gather, like life, has its share of people who "game the system" to maximize their own benefit.
But as you say, Gather is mostly a good medium for adult conversation. Most people legitimately enjoy the ability to trade life stories, pass along tips on every topic, share their writing and photography, and learn something new every time they log on. For those who find Gather to be a place of debate on contentious topics, most of the debate is intelligent and informative.
those that don't and 'Gather' up their posses to fight back are just gathering up comments, views and points. if i see this going on, i avoid that person or remove them from my friend list.
There are to many talented, nice and good people here. Let's not waste time with the trolls.
You can troll away to your hearts content, but I would think that a post that is really personal and talking about a deceased relative should be off limits. Even to the most yellow bellied of the troll community. Just goes to show you that some people have absolutely no dignity.
Thank You, ED!!
I couldn't agree
with you more!!!!!
If a post isn't what you thought it would be, leave. There's no reason to give it a low rating or spit out derogatory remarks. There is such a thing as constructive criticism or expressing a different opinion. Photos can be tough too. How many pictures of flowers really amaze you? The photography can be great (easy 10), but can you comment that this is the "most amazing, beautiful, fantastic, colorful, incredible, lovely, thing I have ever seen" for each one? Or a dozen pictures of Poopsie lying on the floor. Sometimes submitters should give viewers a break. I still believe a page view is more important than a rating or a comment......that discussion is endless too. You'll never please all the people all the time, and then we must deal with those people who can't be pleased any of the time. Those who have honest fun here seem to prevail.
I choose to ignore the ignorant.
There are/have been one or two who can actually become stalkers, and not only go after you, but anyone you comment on also. I've watched people actually followed around and no matter where they comment, or in what capacity, the stalker will leave their nastiness there also.
As far as the 1 raters, I just turn off ratings whenever I can remember to do so. The ratings do nothing for anyone, but turning them off can serve to frustrate your trolls even further. You see, you receive points for page views, so when your troll comes to your work or photo to give you a 1...they can't...but, they have given you the page view anyway. So you get the fractional point and they go away frustrated. Win/win.
1. As far as ratings, unless money gets tied to them some day I don't lose a lot of sleep over them. Just another way for someone less than adult to try to dole out some hurt.
2. Believe me, I know stalkers, and I do realize they can keep talking about you. However, I enjoy letting them do that on their own pages. Ususally, most reasonable people can check out what they're about and figure things out pretty quickly.
I wrote this mostly for my friend Esther, she's a very talented lady and has had to endure some of this crap lately. In the end, what we do or don't do personally isn't anyone's business. Those who make it theirs are probably not getting shagged enough or something.
Thanks again, everyone!
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I agree
God bless & happy new year
Judy
My dad, Ed Jr., taught me many valuable lessons growing up. Among those were to leave people alone who don't care for you, and to never give attention to someone who's trying to hurt you. It's a pretty sound philosophy if you think about it.
Thanks to all of y'all for so many thought-provoking and nice comments!
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I think anyone who is on Gather for a long enough period of time and posts will have trolls at some point. The DB 1's don't bother me. At least I know someone looked and rated.
The stalking and so forth is scary stuff though and unkind comments are just uncalled for.
Why can't we all just get along? Get enough people together and pettiness and meanness seem to always rear their ugly heads at some point in time. So sad.
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It is true that Gather has some of the best people I have encountered, on line. It surprises me, sometimes, when I make a political post, and notice that someone thoroughly (but, politely) disagrees with me. Then I find that they want to be on my friend list. Now, that's class!
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I would just like to add that Gather seems to have a lot of "professional victims". These are the people that are always complaining about some slight or wrong that they suffered. Not only is it exceedingly boring, it gives trolls material to work with.
I understand that people need to vent, but should realize what they are opening themselves up to, and not take strangers on the internet seriously.
I did receive some unsolicited email activity from one narrow minded sort but just blocked her from my email box and moved on.
I am however going to take issue with Berf's comment linking the profile of one of my friends; an honorable, open minded person who has come to the defense of many others who have been persecuted by the ultra right wing
crowd here on gather. Not my understanding of "troll-like" behavior!
Pat, I know what you mean - I understand that we all have problems, and it's human nature to want to listen and help someone out if you can. However, I've learned that if you go to someone's page and see that it's just about always some kind of wail, lament, personal issue, or whatever, it gets old after awhile. Either the person involved has an inordinate amount of problems or they can come up with nothing better to write about. When I find one of those type cases, I just back off and move on to something more positive. In the end, I like to have fun and be uplifting, people have enough problems to worry about than to have to dredge through some of mine.
Excellent comments, thank y'all!
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Life is too short for me to give trolls and other yahoos even a second of my time.
"1. They typically offer no real picture of themselves." I dont offer a photo due to the crazy men on this site that seam to stalk woman there was one removed recently
"2. They typically they hide their names." Its a good idea to do this again because of the crazy men who stalk woman
but other than that I agree.
thanks for sharing you loving enjoyable and right ont he mark self
I have seen how some nice folks here have gotten their feelings hurt, by low marks.
The thing that puzzles me is why they seem to love to attack, pics of little kids, that is just sad.
And Esther, what a magical, magnificent picture.
Happy new year!
Yes.
Another note - they normally choose to only give permission to your posts so YOU can't post something bad about them on their pages!
Y'all have a great evening, wonderful comments!
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Also, Katie is correct they will write articles and stalk you because they are so inferior that they feel they have to write articles about you and have their buddies or arent any wiser to come over and make fun too... It just shows how they were raised and this is a reflection since they werent raised with respect or manners, how they are raising their children.... what a world this has become....
Great article, and well written!
I've been 'trolled.' Back in third grade it bothered me. Now, not much.
And I love the "asstroll" reference - pretty well hits the nail on the head!
Y'all have a great day, excellent comments, I'm surprised there was this much interest in this topic!
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I've thought if we were required to put our telephone numbers on the sides of or cars, drivers would be a lot friendlier, too.
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