By now most of us know that the U.S. is providing lots of money for auto dealers. Although I do support this move, in both countries (Canada and the U.S.), I don't think that we should do it blindly. Yes, I think there should be strings attached. (I would love to see the executive class pay it back out of their personal pockets, but that's not about to happen.) But we do need to look at why the bailout became necessary, and if there are any ways to prevent it from happening again.
When I was studying climate change (many) years ago, I remember one thing clearly: even at that time, we were suggesting ways that industries could change. My subject area was Bulgaria, a particularly inefficient country in Eastern Europe. We came up with many suggestions to be able to improve their technology to be more efficient, because much of it was old-style Russian machinery that had been built prior to the cold war. Part of the reason it was inefficient was by design: the theory back then was that when you used more energy/material/whatever, you were helping to drive the economy. That's fine under a theory of infinite resources, but it is not reality. (The Communist State was good at avoiding reality.)
I learned a lot about strategies to protect the environment during that time, and theorized about applying them not only overseas, but to our countries as well. I remember that one of our suggestions was that the North American auto industry should be made to be more efficient: use less gas, get better mileage, have less impact on the environment. It was working in Japan. They were all those words that we are now SO familiar with, but this was a dozen years ago. Such rumblings have been around for decades.
I remember the responses. Who would implement these changes? The government? MORE standards? I was told that although such changes would be good, they had to be voluntary. Car manufacturers would respond as "market forces" dictated. There was no point in having the government mandate such changes: it would hurt the economy, cause job loss, it could even cause a recession. Do so gradually? It would never work. Instead, let the "invisible hand" of Adam Smith guide the market in the right direction. That's what our world was based on; to do any less was inefficient in itself.
We argued that there was no reason for companies to implement these ideas themselves; the world would degenerate into an all-consuming, materialist quagmire. The counter-argument was that when people were ready, they would cause the demand that would implement the shift in the auto industry. Industries followed what people wanted. It would be slow and easy, no jobs would be lost, and it would be the most efficient of all possible plans.
Is that what happened? We did the whole market thing; you and I lived (are living) through it. We let "market forces" (another word for greed) shift and turn for years; we waited for that "invisible hand" to take over and watched while SUVs and gas guzzlers got more and more popular. Then it hit. The "invisible hand" was not a gently guiding force: it was a slam in the gut. Popularity changed almost overnight. It was the equivalent of an economic earthquake. What few effects the industry had been able to implement were not nearly enough. Now they need a bailout; they need a lifeline. As I've said, I'm all in favour of this. We need to help not only the auto companies, but its dependent industries. It could be that this is a last-ditch effort that won't work, because the industry is already more dead than alive. But at least the bailout will help some of the other industries to get out of the way of a collapsing giant. It will help minimize the effects of unemployed job-seekers trying to find new work, all at the same time.
Would it have worked if we had taken our ideas to heart in the mid-90s and started to legislate improved efficiency and more research into sustainable methods of transportation? Perhaps not in the short run. We, the people, would have had to accept what was coming off the lines and let ourselves be educated. There certainly would have been some anger, some responses, some complaints. But would it have been this bad? The worst part is that if we had followed that course and avoided this mess, we would never know. We would be listening to the preachers of "free markets" and "invisible hands" right now, and thinking they had it all wrapped up. At least this way we can see the self-absorbed, greedy executives and their henchmen for what they really are.
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I think the automakers like millions of Americans should be forced to file bankruptcy, I can see Ford being given bailout, but as a backup, only if absolutely needed, they need to make the changes and see if they can make it work without the money.
If we, as Americans loose our jobs, or run out of money, then we loose our homes, etc, etc, etc, but these corporations go to congress and expect us taxpayers to bail them out.
I don't agree with the bail out
and I don't support it.
GM and Chrysler should be forced to file bankruptcy.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
Saying No to O.
Key Points of the GM Plan
The management is the very responsible because, as many, they vested their confidence blindly in the present government and its pentagon's orders.
If they had been, as many, victim of the permanent campaigns of the WH selling wars and economy, the management has been responsible for not having stick to their engineers and marketers informations.
To build a car from scrap the industry needs about 5 years. So tomorrow, in 2009, we should be selling cars started to be designed in 2004 at the latest.
And MG has had such a car appearing in 2005-2006.
It was an electric car (not even a hybrid) running 70 miles with one charge. 400 were sold and delivered to particulars in 2006 if my memory is good enough. NO POLLUTION AT ALL.
Nowadays the batteries improved and the same car , slightly modified could help the industry. I thought they were in Washington to ask for help meanwhile retooling and keeping the employees up to the new launch.
However they have been the victims of a lobby through GWB and Schwartzi.
California prohibited their use due to: 1st) a battery default and when this was proved wrong, on based on a stupid computation, I can explain if you wish so and which deals with the input energy and not the energy yielding.
The 400 cars were recovered one by one and simply ... destroyed.
The management obviously did not protected its engineers and blue collar due to "military orders".
IMO, but I insist there, IMO, the management has not been able to feel that the power in place had lost all vested confidence already.
And this is a MAJOR ERROR instead of being prepared to face a new and near future. They were not confident enough into GM power and chose then, I do remember, the "profitable branch": the Hummer.
Neither in themselves as a human being who feels he is right, but remain shying in front of foreigners questioning him.
This why I would fund the industry but fire the actual main management heads (President and CEO at the least)
It is beginning to look like what you suggest may be the final result! Someone has called for GM CEO to step down and someone else take over.
Personally, if we are going to require a specific business plan and structural modifications, as we should, removing the head man is scarcely necessary as the government is effectively running th show. But we'll see how it plays out!
What we need is a different Invisible Hand which will result from an entirely different form of money that is not a physical object and is not treated as a physical object. Yes we can do this.
This is how freedom dies, with much applause.
I'm betting many of us would like an electric car. I know I would. I'm not a big driver - I used about 12 gallons of gas every month and I drive a '94 Chevy Lumina. (Who says American cars suck? I've always had good Chevys.) I would like a smaller car, but we've always had this one and it is very reliable.
Problem is, I can't afford a new car. Never had one and couldn't afford to insure one anyway. The one time in my life when I considered buying a new car, it was the cost of insuring one that stopped me- and I've got a clean driving record!
If someone could figure out how to make an engine, electric or otherwise, that was affordable and could be used in vehicles we have now, that might be a way to get more people into alternatively fueled cars.
Their dreaded socialist system looks much more efficient than our auto industry that I notice is still trying to sell me a big pickup truck every time I turn on the tv.
Where is my money? I have to give up my home that I've lived in for over eight years now, because of the bad economy. And, what happens? The government pays these idiots for getting in trouble, with bad financing?
I won't be able to live where I want, and the auto industry gets billions, that I helped fund while working my butt off for virtually nothing.
I am sorely angry about the hypocrisy in my country.
I'm tired of the rich getting handouts, while other poor people suffer.
I don't feel any sympathy for them whatsoever.
And, I never will.
REst assured that no one is talking about "giving" any money to the auto companies. You are correct, that we shouldn't be giving "hand outs" to any corporations. I am like you that I've worked hard for what I have and have no sympathy for those companies or the finance companies. But I do have a lot of empathy for the people who will be without jobs and fear the ultimate effect it will have on our strained economy.
For that reason, I support making loans to these companies as needed to cope with a financial crisis they did not create. There must be strong terms for reorganization and concessions by the unions. And we won't do it for nothing, there will be interest on that money. It is an investment in America and American workers!
I agree with Ian that we need legislation to prevent this from happening again. I have some ideas about how best to accomplish this but I don't believe that anyone is listening to me!
There are many things that can and should be done, prior to the automakers receiving any money, and they should all be instituted BEFORE they receive those funds.
What I find amazing is that the automakers are being run through the ringer for this, but Wall Street was basically handed over the funds, with none of the stipulations that are being demanded of the automakers. That's why AFTER certain banks received funds, it was disclosed that those banks had in fact withheld hundreds of millions of dollars to make sure the ELITE EXECUTIVES would receive their bonuses.
The banks have receive at least a portion of their funds, and STILL are not opening up credit markets OR helping the people!