We have all been hearing on the news about the billions of dollars being requested (that's the polite term) by various huge corporations. We see in the papers that $750 billion dollars has been allocated by Congress for the Secretary of the Treasury to disperse in the effort to save the economy.
But for some reason it doesn't seem to be helping, does it. Things continue to get worse. Over 500,000 people lost their jobs in November alone. If all that money is helping our economy, why are more people losing their jobs? What has $350 billion given to these banking organizations bought us?
Well let's consider. We are all rational people. We don't need economists to tell us the time of day. Let's think about it for a moment. What does a bank do with its money? It loans money to businesses. But the banks got in trouble for loaning money to businesses which cannot repay those loans. Now the banks, with $350 billion of our money, won't loan money to the U.S. auto makers because they aren't able to sell the cars they are making. Banks also know the sales figures from a wide variety of American businesses. They know sales are down. So who, in their right mind, would loan money to a new or expanding business when sales are going down even with huge discounts? So the banks are reluctant to loan money to businesses.
Banks also loan money to people to buy homes. But the crisis, we are told, was precipitated by banks loaning money to people who now can't repay the money. So the banks are not willing to loan money to people to buy houses, either. The banks know that almost everyone's jobs are now at risk. So the bankers put the money in the vault and sit on it. But that doesn't really do us any good, does it. It might be making some bankers rich but the economy still stinks.
How about giving more money to rich people? That way they would have more money to invest in creating jobs. But why invest to increase production when the economy can't sell the products it generates now? If a person got rich by making shrewd investments, they certainly are not going to invest in a declining economy. That's just throwing good money after bad.
Now you are a sensible person. Let's say you are upper-middle class. You aren't rich but you are comfortable. You have only a few years to pay on your mortgage. Your last child will finish college next year. Your retirement investments have been seriously depleted by the drop in stock prices but you don't need that money for 15-20 years so that isn't a disaster, only a worry. Your government gives you a check for $1000. What will you do with it? Will you rush out and buy something? Well, it is near Christmas so you might spend some of it. But that really won't make much difference in your spending decisions. It is, after all, only $1000.
On the other hand, let's say you are poor. Your income is about $20,000 per year. You are 67 years old and have to make decisions about whether to buy your medicine or food. The government sends you a check for $1000. What will you do with the money? Do you think you might buy some clothes? Perhaps you will invest in some furniture. Or maybe you will get some presents for your grandchildren. Do you think you will have much left of that $1000 at the end of the month? No, I don't think so either.
Let us now consider what you bought when you were the poor person. Did you increase your spending for goods and services? I'll bet you did. You increased your consumption. That money you spent at the store paid some sales taxes. The money you spent was spent again and again by others as it circulated through your community. It went into banks' checking accounts several times but came out again in payments to others. But while there, it gave the bank more money to loan. Several people in the community were better off because you as a poor person increased your consumption.
Now let's expand that $1000 to $100 billion dollars. Let's chop that $100 billion into thousand dollar checks. That's 100,000,000 checks, isn't it? So if we take a million poor families and give each family a thousand dollar check once a month for two years we will have distributed that $100 billion. But look what will happen to your local economy. Suddenly, a lot of the poor families have money to spend. They can afford to move into better apartments because they have an assured income for two years. The local merchants are doing more business and need to hire more people. The goods the poor are buying must be produced which creates demand. The money they spend circulates and generates more than 5 times as much spending as the poor alone provided. The state gets more tax income from the increased spending. More people can afford to buy cars. The money flows up the economy from the poor to the rich and along the way makes everybody better off financially.
So by giving money to the poor, even those who don't deserve it, we bail out the businesses in their neighborhoods, the suppliers of consumer goods, the local banks, and create a lot of jobs.
Of course giving money to the poor would be unfair. What did they do to deserve it? I can only ask what they did to deserve to be poor? Many of them got old and can't work any more. Many got sick or injured and couldn't pay their bills. Many are still children. Sure their parents are to blame but the children are still children and they are still suffering. Some of the poor have just had bad luck.
But what do you care that the poor getting a break is unfair if it gets you a good job and restores the value of the stocks in your portfolio? Who is suffering more in these hard times than the poor? Remember that the money given to the poor will quickly go to others because the poor will spend that money. So if it is unfair for them to have the money it will only be unfair for a little while. Then the money will go to those who deserve it, the bankers and CEOs who caused this mess in the first place.


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Examine my description of what the poor would do with the money and you tell me if that wouldn't help the economy in your area.
Col.
No I won't define poor. You define poor. I'll be happy to go with your definition so long as there are at least a million families included and their family income per year is less than $250,000 (I picked that number since it is politically meaningful. :-).
It doesn't matter to me whether you include everyone I think of as poor because this will help all the poor whether they are getting the checks or not. Naturally I would like to include everyone on disability and those who are living just on social security but I will still leave it up to you to choose who gets the money.
Yes, I agree that starting to salvage our economy should start at the bottom level, not the top. We the People just learned a very hard lesson that the "trickle down" theory doesn't work. Why doesn't it work for Congress?
The rich have been getting much bigger handouts all along. Who has the lobbiests? Who makes large contributions to elections campaigns? Who's friends are in Congress? Who has the lawyers and the accountants?
So why don't we try being unfair infavor of the poor for a change. They can't do any worse with the money than the rich have done. And what do you bet that some of the money they spend will wind up in your pocket? Money we give to the poor comes right back to the rest of us. They spend locally.
I have a disabled friend (post polio syndrome, it's a long term death sentence in which the nerves all over the body gradually deteriorate) who gets that subsidized housing and some money each month from the government. He would have starved to death by now were it not for the charity of friends. He works as much as he can (his hands are getting so he can't type much any more to correct the papers in the online courses he teaches, he's a PhD) but he can't earn too much or he loses his disability. Personally I think he deserves better. What do you think?
Phyllis, the poor aren't taking your money, it's the rich and powerful. They are the ones that are cheating you every month.
He does deserve better. Thats why I made sure to say some.. I know there are many exceptions.
Let's say we take away tax breaks from the rich. Who will they pass on the debt too? Us. They sure are not going to pay extra.
As far as the loans go for homes and cars. Alot of those people who were buying homes and cars had no business doing so. They knew they could not afford them in the first place. I am not defending the banks because they should have known better also.
I think now they are going to only give loans for a period of time to those who qualify. No one is in the business to give bad loans. Sadly I am sure they will go back to their old ways and incur bad debt once again. So yes right now those who have money will continue to make money by buying foreclosures and then renting them out or selling them when the market rebounds. I really don't see this as being a horrible thing. Please don';t take this the wrong way. I do feel bad for those less fortunate and wish them the best and hope they can get back on their feet. However I do not feel bad for those who sit back and wait for handouts.
My point is that it will work to greatly boost the economy whether those poor who get the money deserve it or not. It works. It harms no one. Who cares if they deserve it?
Sadly, it will never happen. You want to make the poor better off. The rich need the poor to be worse off. Somehow, they see improving the lot of the poor as somehow worsening their lot. That money had to come from somewhere--the rich. They would take to the streets before they let you give it to those people who don't "earn" it.
I used the stimulus payments to free myself from debt, which I consider to be tantamount to slavery. Having little debt makes me much less apprehensive about the economic downturn, because I can live on much less money than I have.
The really tragic thing is that by helping the poor to be better off, even with gift money, the rich would make themselves even richer. The more the poor work and produce the more there is for everyone and the rich always get the biggest piece of the pie. When the poor are unemployed and consuming less, the pie shrinks quickly. But by depriving the poor of even the tiny bit they have the rich hurt themselves and don't even realize it.
Another point I would like to make is that nobody has the right to draw a line with "rich" on one side and "poor" on the other. I am not rich but I certainly dont want to be labeled "poor"! For that matter, I dont want the government t give me anything at all - just a level playing field.
Finally, I believe that we would get more bang for our buck if the government got something in return for the $1000 per month to the poor... may be even committment to volunteer, work on grass root projects etc.
Anil N.
This post is a suggestion for solving the immediate problem we face today, not an overall solution to economic problems in general.
For the general solution see www.nopom.info or read Invisible Hand.
I think that you will find that everybody is already lazy. That is built in to the human brain. Without that, our ancestors would have starved to death for using up their calories needlessly and would not have tried to find better ways to do things.
The rich get away with lots more they did not work for because they have the power to do so. The poor are not your problem, the rich are. The poor don't have the power to take advantage of you. The rich do have that power. The poor are already working quite hard just to survive. They are just not employed. The poor don't like being poor and they are willing to work to stop being poor.
Because people are willing to cheat to get rich, most of the rich had to cheat to get there if they did not start out rich. There are many notable exceptions to this, of course.
We can all draw all the lines we like. The government does it all the time. That's why it is so difficult to get on disability for example. It's just that the lines the government draws benefit the rich and harm the poor.
The government will get lots of tax money as a result of the $1000 per month. As that money filters up the social class pyramid, it constitutes income for each stop on the way. Sales taxes, income taxes, corporate taxes, and gasoline and other commodity taxes are all generated by the spending. The government also gets the taxes on the increase in economic activity that the spending by the poor stimulates.
If you make the poor work for the money what jobs will you have those children and elderly retired and disabled folks do? Most of the poor are unable to work. If we restrict the work requirement to able bodied adults, who will take care of their children (and elderly dependents) while they work? You will also have to hire lots of people and spend lots of money trying to make sure that no one undeserving gets money. That slows the whole process and builds intrusive government bureaucracy. It is cheaper and easier and quicker to give the money to the undeserving, too and don't worry about it. The main thing is that the undeserving will spend just as enthusiastically as the deserving.
Marilyn
To make it fair you could consider awarding it only to persons who:
1) do not have a mortgage and,
2) have credit card debt of less than $2,000 (that's a flexible, arbitrary number),
3) had less than $20,000 in annual household income on the previous tax return,
4) currently work at least 20 hours a week or are on unemployment (meaning they lost their jobs relatively recently).
This would still accomplish the objective of getting the money to those who are needy and would spend it quickly AND at the same time you could justify the plan to conservatives by saying you're rewarding smart behavior by people who work for a living.
Anyone who still can't see giving a break to a guy who works for very little and still has very little debt, they belong to a mean minority that gets outvoted in the interest of national security.
This would go to a smaller pool of people, but the money would go further. If someone doesn't qualify, it would be up to them to adjust their circumstances so they do.
True, this wouldn't cost $650 billion, or $825 billion, but that just means we'd have money left over to help avoid foreclosures, etc.
Before I gave money to banks, I would have the government begin loaning money directly to individuals who do not own realestate with a total value of
over $200,000 and businesses with less than $1 million in assets.
You don't want the money to go further. You want the money to be spent right away for consumer goods and services. Within reasonable limits, the more money that is put into the hands of people whose circumstances pretty much require that they spend it, the more the economy benefits. You don't have to give any money to any banks. The people who sell things to the poor will do that for you.
I have tried many times but there is only so much they can pay attention to at one time and the number of people trying to get their own ideas heard is huge. If you know of any way to get the attention of anyone in the Administration, please have them contact me or tell me how to get in contact with them.
Thanks for your kind flattery. I know it isn't really brilliant, it's really just obvious. We just don't want to see things that way.
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I agree it's important. How do I get anyone in government to consider it? It will take far more than my one small voice to make the reasonable idea be heard.