Of the three pending Supreme Court Cases I cited in yesterday's article, US Supreme Court Pending Lawsuits Relating to Obama Eligibility Issue, the case that seemed to elicit the most attention was that of Leo C. Donofrio, Applicant v. Nina Mitchell Wells. As usual, when there is a lot of controversy and when people are adamant about their opinions, whether they can or do substantiate such, the thread can become unwieldy. I have decided to give a synopsis of that thread here, but only for any opinions that were either substantiated accurately, and for opinions that were falsely evidenced. Any other rhetoric for which no evidence at all was used to valdidate an opinion will be ignored here, since those opinions are little more than wishes of what someone would prefer to believe as truth rather than as truth to be believed.
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- The lawsuits have not gone away. There are approximately 18 suits in federal district courts that have not yet been appealed in states throughout the country related to the Obama Citizenship issue.
- When someone says that something is related, it doesn't necessarily mean that it is specifically to do with a particular issue, but that there is a relationship between one issue and another. In the case of the three suits cited yesterday, the relationship between the suits and Obama's citizenship is that all of these suits were spawned as a result of the eligibility of Obama to run for President of the USA.
- The reason the D'Onofrio lawsuit was denied by Souter is because it never even got to Souter. A law clerk, Danny Bicknell, took it upon himself to refuse to docket the cases of both D'Onofrio in NJ and also of Wrotwnoski in CT based on substantive law that he deemed inapplicable in the filings, a decision he is absolutely not authorized to make. Ther may be proceedings against Bicknell for obstruction of justice in both these cases.
- In this Application of Emergency Stay by D'Onofrio, it clearly states that he contends that neither Obama nor McCain were natural born citizens. Any statements made in yesterday's article that try to deny the fact that this suit doesn't have anything to do with eligibility are patently false.
- There has been a filing of judicial misconduct on the part of Judge Sabatino regarding the initial filing of the D'Onfrio lawsuit.
- So far, any and all cases have been thrown out of court merely on procedural issues because the people filing suits have no standing to claim damages. These cases that are currently pending in the Supreme Court may also not have standing because, according to procedure, there doesn't appear to be a way for a citizen to prove damages.
- These cases are now being filed with the Secretaries of State of the states of the litigants in hopes that the standing will be honored because the people must have a way to hold someone accountable for the integrity of the ballots in their states. That is simply the way a democracy should be run.
- There is another case in a CA federal district court by Alan Keyes who may have standing because he was on the ballot, and if a candidate that was ineligible was allowed to run, this would mean that his Keyes' own candidacy was at stake thereby allowing him to sue for damages of a loss that he can contend that he might otherwise not have incurred.Â
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Comments: 28
Sounds more like they are finding excusses to block these cases, instead of bringing them out, and finding the truth what ever it might be. As it stands now, there are by far more questions than answers about Obama and his right to run for President. I would thing the Courts would want them answered...
What bothers me is that even when the cases are being filed to the Secretaries of State whose responsibility it is to the citizens of their states to ensure that the ballots and the process are legitimate, there has been outright misconduct and obstruction of justice in the filing process. This makes me wonder whether the courts really do want these questions answered.
Well, I for one am becoming rather convinced that we now have enough information to understand why that doctored "certificate of birth" (or whatever they're calling it these days), was put up on web sites in the first place. I'm fairly sure that Mr. Obama and his crew knew long ago that the "dual citizenship" aspect, which Mr. Donofrio's suit centers upon, was a real problem for them.
I suspect the "long form" Birth Certificate bears information that would allow the average person to grasp what the issue actually is, and that would not allow the campaign to ignore the eligibility matter right through to the election. Hence, the smoke and mirrors approach, which could be counted on to provide enough confusion to get the election past, before the matter was seriously addressed, by the courts, the media, State election officials, or whoever.
As became obvious on the original thread (and several others I've seen), the Obamites reaction is to steer all conversation away from the notion that Mr. Obama intentionally evaded the central issue (and there may very well be more), so as to be able to continue seeing him as a sort of saviour (Monarch), rather than a politician seeking power. I have no doubt that the SC Justices can wrap their minds around what has happened, but I am not so sure they can bring themselves to act in the present circumstances. There is a very real possibility that the general populace's lack of understanding could spell BIG trouble, if the Court moved against Mr. Obama taking office.
I think his gambit has probably worked, but I also think it is only a matter of time before the reason it worked; A lack of respect for the rule of Law among the citizens, plays itself out, to the final demise of our wavering republic.
Anyway, you and Dave keep saying that it's the Indonesian issue, but it's both the natural born issue and the Indonesian issue. He's saying that, either way, Obama is ineligible. See this Application for Emergency Stay filed on November 3rd.
I don't recall ever saying the "Indonesian issue" was particularly important, and I see the distinct possibility of that being discarded on the grounds that Mr. Obama (Jr. Or Sr. ; ) was not himself responsible for any surrender of his US citizenship standing . . . But, I do wonder about the fact that Mr. Obama travelled to Pakistan for a few weeks, while is was not legal for an American to do so. If, that trip was made via an Indonesian passport that Mr. Obama procured on the grounds of his earlier official status as a citizen of Indonesia . . well, nuf said ; )
I was talking about that statement because I don't think his suit centers on that particular issue. Also, he's claiming McCain's ineligibility to have run based on his natural born status too. I don't know why he did that. There are clear provisions for a person in the military to have a child born on a US military base and still be declared natural born.
I wonder whether he's hoping that if the case gets past procedure and gets decided substantively and thrown out based on the fact that McCain was eligible, he then leaves the option open to have someone else file a suit only against Obama's eligibility and then it would be difficult to have such a case thrown out because it doesn't contain the McCain allegations. I don't know that a judge would be that stupid though, so probably not.
What I am saying, is that the "acknowledged" fact that Mr. Obama was born with automatic "British citizenship" via his father, which is the central aspect of the Donofrio suit, overshadows any direct relevance to the childhood Indonesian connection. Now, I'm not sure it does in reality, just within the scope of that particular petition. I do see the possibility, that something within the numerous records Mr. Obama elected to keep "opaque", may indicate he "used" or acknowledged his Indonesian citizenship, and then that aspect would blow him out of the water, regardless of anything else.
I also don't see how that would blow him out of the water because some say if that's so, then his Indonesian citizenship expired in 1984 or so. I think the Indonesian citizenship proof might just be harmful to the case unless he was actually born there and didn't acquire that citizenship when he moved there with his mother who married a citizen of Kenya.
I merely suspect that Mr. Denofio's logic may have run something like this;
If the suit drags in Mr. McCain's status, then attention is draw to the differences in the situation, namely, Mr. McCain never had any citizenship other than U.S. . . . so, the charges against the public official that he is essentially making, in not vetting the candidates, renders mute, any eligibility of any one candidate named . . . what I think he is "counting on", is an order to vet the candidates properly. And that, opens up a whole new ball game, where all sorts of allegations "come alive".
(As oft said, there's more than one way to skin a cat, even that One ; )
The Keyes case is going to be interesting because he was a Presidential contender so he probably has procedural standing. That's going to be the one to watch but it's in a CA district court now.
I don't believe that the final status of any one candidate mentioned in the complaint, means mush of anything. If one is blatantly not qualified, the complaint is justified. Adding Mr. McCain, I believe, constitutes little more than the expression of a presonal opinion, in a sence. It serves to bring in Mr Obama, as the "even less eligable" One ; )
I tell you, I think this fellow is way clever. He's done some homework.