I was recently in a discussion here on Gather, by another poster, in which the idea and question of why people get Offended when the term "Christian Mythology" is Used: Christian Mythology By: Джерси Джо
If you look at the word Mythology the definition is a collection of stories - so a collection of stories in a myth. as Christianity is a collection of stories that makes it myth ala' Christian Mythology.
Now we weren't just picking on Christianity, as we made reference that all religion and all religious ideas are a collection that makes up myth - we have the Greek mythology, the Roman Mythology, etc. and so forth. all of these religions have their own unique tenets that collectively make up it's mythology.
-Well as the conversation continued, and the bible was mentioned I gave my usual spiel. and got this in return.
Paul, I don't know if you believe in a god, but if you do, he certainly isn't a very big or great one. My God is the Living God and His Word is also alive. He is eternal and so is His Word. . .
He is able to make Himself known (revelation). . .He is able to use fallible men, men who normally err to record for all time an infallible and inerrant scripture (inspiration). . . For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2 Peter 1:21
*continued Wall-O Bible Quotes*
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So, I figured this would be a good time, to share my response with everyone else who may not be following along with the original article in question, and re-introduce some of you to my beliefs and understandings - if you were never privileged enough to get to read them beforehand.
So, I said:
***Persons Name Removed - for purposes of this post. To Try and Make it as Non-Confrontational as Possible***, I believe in a god, Lots of gods actually. All of them as a matter of fact. I think that if someone chooses to believe in at least one then that means we can't dismiss the possibilities of the other's existing. that doesn't mean you have to worship all the other ones, you can still worship the one of your choosing or the specific pantheon of your choosing, but you can't dismiss the other ones.
the gods are eternal, a cosmic life force, there are mythologoical stories of the gods that predate Christianity by a millennium. or quite possibly longer.
I do not think any of the gods are at odds with each other, I think they all work together for the betterment of humankind, giving us different lessons, in different language and cultural specific ways. for all of us to be able to comprehend and to learn. Not everyone is going to experience God, The Divine in the same way, its too personal of an experience. its just like dreaming we all dream in a different way, like learning - we all learn in a different way, like holding an opinion - we all have different ones, like comprehending - we all comprehend differently. and I think the many options are out there , the different gods and different religions - to help reach people who dream,learn, experience, comprehend, and hold differing opinions - to help reach them in their own way on their own terms.
If you study comparative religion at all, you would find that the core beliefs are shared among all the faiths, to love God, to Love Ourselves, To Love Of Friends and Family, to Love Strangers, To Love Humankind, to Take care and Provide for the Earth the place in which we live, To do good deeds and use right action and judgment, and have faith and be rewarded on the other side of the veil.
as I said I believe in many gods, but I don't think they are against one another.
Think of a Cosmic Justice League if you will, YAHWEH is Superman, Odin is Batman, Saturn is the Flash, Isis is Wonder Woman..etc. and so forth. all the gods set around a conference room holding meetings on how to better help the earth and those living on it understand that which cannot be understood.
I believe in the plurality of the divine, that it is comprised of masculine energies, and feminine energy. god and goddess - many gods and goddesses, and though these gods are individual and unique they are connected at a universal-divine source, it is something that is beyond our human ability to comprehend. - the Justice League of the gods if you will.
Mostly when I say God, unless I qualify with a name of a specific deity, I am talking about this cosmic universal divine and eternal life giving force. when I pray and worship, I honor the Divine -Universal as a whole, I will call to a specific deity if I feel a need, or have a specific purpose or goal in mind.
However, I am a realist, and I know that any divinely inspired poetic writing we have out there, and bibles that are out there, any holy text from any and all the religions that are out there - they are simply our (mans) interpretation, they come from our pens, and our scribes. Oh, I'll read them because, unless you can tap into the collective unconscious within ourselves and communicate with the divine - these writings are all we have to tell us about the nature of the gods. of course, even though I read it and get inspiration and encouragement from the eclectic holy books of the world - I do not hold one superior to any other. they are all pretty much equal in my eyes.
***Persons Name Removed - for purposes of this post. To Try and Make it as Non-Confrontational as Possible***, I am a "Universalist" - Eclectic Neo-Pagan (Influenced by modern Pagan religions such as Wicca and Asatru, and older ones, from Egyptian, Celtic, Roman, Greek, and Norse Mythology.) A Polytheist who believes in the dual nature of the divine (god and goddess) With influence from the New-Age movement, Western Occultism (Occult = hidden/secret knowledge), Mysticism, and I also have gnostic tendencies. Oh, and Carl Jung and His Archetypal ideas and other psychological prospective's totally rock!
I read and Study the teachings of Christ, but through a gnostic lens, and with a global universal mindset. I get the message, but different then the fundamentalists.
when Christ said I am the way,the truth, and the life. No one gets to the father except by me......well he did say that, but if you study that passage, and know anything about literary endeavors - you can see that Jesus was talking in the third person - in fact Jesus talked in the 3rd person a lot. Why is this? It is my belief that is was not Jesus himself speaking - but the Christ essence...the Spirit of Christ and of the Divine speaking through him.
I think he was saying without the spirit of the divine within you, you won't get to see or feel god (the divine) obviously - just like if you have the lights turned off you can't see the chair your about to run into.
I think that "The Christ" is a spirit that we all possess or can tap into, the Christ is not a person, I think Jesus was a very enlightened teacher who had the "Christ Spirit" and who may or may not have had some sort of divine origin.
"the Christ" to me is the christian version of Enlightenment or the Gnosis.
Without Enlightenment we cannot become better individuals.
but even I think that non-theists can have the spirit of enlightenment, or "The Christ" Spirit within them.
Thank you for your time.
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(and I think you have to think of that really old stuff as "mythology" or else you can't make ANY sense of it - and it is making its own sense in its own way and we have to stop imposing our modern expectations of how to write history on things like that.)
I also believe that the God of the "Native Americans" is the same God that the Bible describes and is actually a more accurate description. God is a Spirit not a man and not a woman. A Spirit has no sexual desigantion.
As to mythology, I agree. The old testament is a history book containing a lot of the mythology of the roots of Christianity. Mythology can be, and is loaded with truth as well as stories. There is a lot of mythology in religion because people put myth in their religion. Each and every denomination of Christianity has their own myths within their particular belief system, the truth is in the Bible not the church.
The old testament is a history book containing a lot of the mythology of the roots of Christianity. Mythology can be, and is loaded with truth as well as stories. . .
Holy Romulus and Remus Batman!
Are you differentiating between truth and story. What in the OT is 'truth' and what is merely 'myth' or 'story'?
Thanks!
-Mark
How do you know that the Living God manifested Himself to Moses by appearing out of the burning bush?
Were you an eyewitness?
Was anyone?
Is this a true historical narrative or merely a myth?
-Mark
P.S. Remember to remove your sandals for you are on holy ground. . .
But, yes my friend, it makes all the difference in the world. . .
You fundamentally misunderstand Christianity when you equate it to other religions as just another self-help venture. Jesus Christ didn't come into the world to make bad people good (although that often happens) but, rather, to make dead people alive. . .
The living God is the God of true history not myth. If the first Adam is poetic, then so is the second. If you can't imagine yourself running your hand up his cross and not come away with splinters and bleeding then you have missed it. . .
Jesus Christ is no metaphor - He is the Way and the Truth and the Life. . .
-Mark
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I believe you and I are soul mates. We are on the same page. Mostly. I want to comment on one passage of your epistle where your view and mine seemingly diverge:
unless you can tap into the collective unconscious within ourselves and communicate with the divine - these writings are all we have to tell us about the nature of the gods.
We can tap in. We can connect to God. What the writers of scripture wrote about was their experience. Their experience of God in their lives. Hey, it’s the same God you and I deal with today. Or at least think and write about. This God hasn’t changed. This God is still creating and redeeming, by whatever name you want to call him/her. This I believe. That God is still interacting. That we can each experience God. That we can each connect. Some better than others. Gifts probably have something like a normal distribution over the human population at any time. Some have gifts within a standard deviation of average, some are out on the positive or negative tails. Which provides a useful way of thinking about the holy people of the past – Jesus, Moses, The Buddha and the rest. They were way out on the positive tail. And the holy people of the present. Each age has its holy ones.
And though our gifts of connecting with God and being holy might be limited, might be close to average, we can enhance them with a little effort. With a little intentionality. I recommend meditation. Find your silence and sit in it listening. Centering. Calling out for God to come and take control of the flow of your thoughts and to speak using your own voice so as not to scare you. And then letting go. Sit back and let it happen, maintaining attentive silence. Eyes closed. This meditation has to be routine to do any good. With practice you get better at it. You rise refreshed and edified. And if hereby you discern God’s will for you, and attune to it, and align with it, and carry it out, you bloom where you are planted. And all round you love springs up and you (and God) will be creating an instance of the kingdom of heaven. Which is what Jesus announced: The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Is here.
And that is the secret of happiness. All the motivation we need.
Cheers
Jim