• Home
  • Friends
  • Groups
  • Share

SIGN IN | HELP
karf.gather.com
  • profile|
  • posts|
  • photos|
  • videos|
  • comments|
  • friends|
  • groups
by Kerrell g.
Member since:
December 19, 2006

My Crap Day in Hell (also known as a public high school)

November 17, 2008 12:34 PM EST
views: 320 | comments: 107

Once again, another CRAP day at school

I normally have fun at Howard High School. It's the newest high school here in Macon and because of that, they don't have a senior class this year. They'll have one in 2009-10. Last Friday was not one of those fun days. In fact, I would have much rather gone through childbirth sans epidural. The students I had were rude, disruptive, disrepectful and not on task and I left their regular teacher a note. I pulled no punches whatsoever and if the ACLU wants to talk, BRING IT ON! This is what happens when you take God out of the classroom and let the heathens take over. What I would give to have had one of them flogged in class to set an example. The letter reads like this... and no, at this point, I wasn't interested in protecting the innocent, so I named names.

Here's the letter unedited except for my BOE employee number.


14 November 2008

Dear Mr. Stembridge:

Despite the horrid weather, we managed to have class.  First block was really chatty and loud, so you might want to talk to them about that. I asked them on several (key word here is SEVERAL) occasions to keep the noise down.

You have a new student in first block. She listed herself as new on the roll.

There is a group of people that sit near the closet that decided that they were going to talk and chit-chat and not get any work done. They finally got to work after some prodding on my part.  Some of them actually did the worksheet, so feel free to reward them for their effort.  There was a question about number five on the worksheet and some of them left it blank.

Mr. Vickers, who sits in the first desk near the door, talked and played all block and did not do any work until I got on his case. Methinks that he and Mr. Roberts need to be separated from each other. They tend to feed off each other, as if it the relationship was symbiotic. It's sort of like living with Siamese twins.  

Second block was chatty as well and did not heed my requests to keep the noise down. Ms. Thomas and Mr. Taylor were playing around and bothering each other. I wound up moving them. At least that group was productive.

Third block was an adventure as well. I thought they had first lunch but they didn't. OOPS! I came back to the room as soon as someone let me know. They were chatty (really chatty!) and made a lot of noise. They were also disrespectful and smarting off when I asked to do or not do something. It was as if I was never in the room. One of them decided to do some art work on the roll, so I made them do it over.  I let them know that this was not going to work.  This was the worst of the worst. I wound up giving one of them detention. It was either that or let them completely take over. 

One of your angels even thought it was funny to tamper with the glass of iced tea I had on my desk, so I poured it out. You have a couple of young men that think that this is a joke. Let them fail the course and have to take it over again. Out of the 22 that were in third block, there were a total of 16. Someone took the old roll off the desk and either took with them or threw it away. I am not going to worry about that. If they want to get into trouble, that's their choice and it's a BAD choice. They will have to live with that BAD decision.

As for the ones that left and never came back, I am with a GREAT deal of certainty sure  they skipped out after lunch. I will let them get into trouble and be dealt with. They don't need to be here if they're not going to work. Sorry for my getting on my soapbox but that's how I see things from the educational point of view. If I even pulled a third of the stuff they pulled, I would more than likely wind up in a body bag. They have NO boundaries period. There is no regard for their peers or those that are in charge, they only care about themselves.

This was one of the worst (if NOT the WORST) classes I have ever had at Howard. There was no respect for those in authority. I would hate to see them get a job or try to get one. That's the bottom line. To be brutally honest, some of these kids would not survive at Mount de Sales or any other private school in Macon.

I actually feel sorry for those that actually want to get some work done. It's hurting them because they have to deal with this foolishness. I did all I could to NOT write some of them up. I think that another sub needs to come in with a hidden camera and film them, then let the parents see what really goes on. Some of them actually think that they are running the show. Some of them even went so far as to mock me when I asked them to not do something or be quiet. They don't need or deserve to be here and they are not going to take over. We won't let them, as Al Gore said. As my third grade teacher once told me, "I don't fight battles I know I'm going to win." 

Sorry that you have to read this but sometimes one has to hear the truth... regardless of who is speaking it.

Thanks for letting me take your class today.


I don't let the inmates run the prison. They don't get it. In fact, I would give anything to be a fly on the wall when they have to explain to their parents why they failed math. I want to be there when they have to take the course over in either the Spring or Summer school. That would be a conversation that I would pay big bucks to see. I applaud those that come, ready to work, ready to follow the rules to the letter. Those are the ones that I welcome with open arms. The rest of you, STAY HOME and if you even think about transfering to Mount de Sales Academy, I will personally block your transfer. I know too many people over there, too and I will use EVERY connection I have over there to make it happen.

Here's the deal... it's a one-time offer. Take it. I am not Monty Hall, this is NOT Burger King, you are not going to get it your way. I didn't when I was your age. When an adult said no, we took that to be the gospel. Your days of getting away with whatever the hell you can are OVER! It's a shame we can't send your sorry butts to a gulag somewhere in the Soviet Union. Flogging you would be too kind and the ACLU would get involved.

They don't get it and when they don't get their diplomas, they damned sure better not come running to me. They had their chance and fumbled on the goal line. Either straighten up voluntarily or be locked up at YDC. The ball is now in your court.

That's me being on the soapbox. The parents (some of them) don't believe the teachers when they say their children are being a problem. Sorry to throw water on your dinner party but there's an elephant in the room. It's your child. The one you brought into this world. It's time you took charge of them by telling them that the adults are in charge. It's a hell of a lot better than being in a prison cell or the morgue. Is it time to take back our schools? Yes. If we have to make examples out of you, then so be it. Someone's going to be in charge. That someone's NOT you.  


 

view all photos
You need the latest Adobe Flash Player.
Install the player now
Expand Tag: bad behavior
recommend this
email
print
link to this page
Paste this link into an email or IM
Bookmark this post:
Facebook
Twitter
Delicious
Buzz
More

Comments: 107

Mary Bee Nov 17, 2008, 12:36pm EST
And we are here for you....soapbox away!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
ann c. Nov 17, 2008, 12:38pm EST
Amen, Kerrell!!!! Some parents just send their children to school and expect the teachers to do everything. Teachers should be paid more than sports figures OR politicians.
amy r. Dec 10, 2009, 12:38am EST
Amen, I could not do it.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Holli G. Nov 17, 2008, 12:38pm EST
wow, im sorry! I don't know how anyone can teach high school classes..i couldn't do it, you are a brave man
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
☼ Lisa ☼ G. Nov 17, 2008, 12:42pm EST
That is awful that these high school student behave in the manor that they do,sounds like they are not one bit concerned with their future's..Sorry you had such a horrible day Kerrell
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Tricia C. Nov 17, 2008, 12:44pm EST
soap box away.. i agree with you and for some kids who would have hope.. they see others doing what you are describing here and they end up falling into that pattern themselves... argh..

I am having problems with my son.. but nothing i hope like youa re takling about here.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Denise C. Nov 17, 2008, 1:05pm EST
You didn't write a bad letter, just told it like it was. I would be horrified if my kids ever acted that way. One of our sons came home from preschool the other day with a bad mark saying he couldn't keep quiet. We talked to him about it for over 1/2 hour!!! And he's only 4! I hope that I am doing right by my kids and they will never be like your class!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Lee P. Nov 17, 2008, 1:08pm EST
Hmmmm. I hate to hear these things. There are good ones too, but it sounds as if you got most of the bad ones. Maybe they were showing off because you were the substitute. God Bless America anyway.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Tanzanite S. Nov 17, 2008, 1:11pm EST
It's scary to think of the situation ahead when these kids should be in college or working. They aren't fit for either and will only add to crime and welfare statistics.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Heather C. Nov 17, 2008, 1:18pm EST
Kerrell, remember, I have a child in high school. I am with you on this. Always! They are awful foul mouthed bad behaved heathens! I get furious every time I am around them! You are a good person for doing the job you do. I know I couldn't do it!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jennifer R. Nov 17, 2008, 1:44pm EST
Good for you. Its unfortunate you did have to go through that. There should be a procedure in place for this kind of thing.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
flit . Nov 17, 2008, 1:51pm EST
definitely sounds like they're not paying enough!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
FRED R. Nov 17, 2008, 1:55pm EST
bottom line:

YOU ARE "DA MAN"

nuff said!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Lee P. Nov 17, 2008, 2:04pm EST
I agree with Flit, you're not being paid enough, and I don't even know how much they do pay you, but whatever it is, it isn't enough.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Katie Scarlett (Site Bouncer Wanna Be) O. Nov 17, 2008, 2:14pm EST
Absolutely. I'm so glad that type of disrespect and disruption is not allowed down here. (I'm a bit further south than Macon). My son told me he just answered a friends question as they were calling silent time AT LUNCH and he was reprimanded. Wow.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Candy S. Nov 17, 2008, 2:35pm EST
That is the reason why I like the way Europe runs their schools. They divide their schools up in three systems. One school is for the kids who want to go to college and want to be the the professionals. Then you have the second level this is the school that secretaries and office workers people like that . People with a trade. Then you have the third level they are the wokers like trash haulers and factory workers. Not every student is meant to be in college but the kids that are need to be in a class setting that helps them learn not be disruptive but class clowns or kids that don't want to be there. There is nothing wrong with any of the levels of schools. Germany knows they need every level to be successful to make things work. So no one is frustrated. They are in the school that is best for them. Maybe that is why American schools are so far behind in education.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
kelldogg ! Nov 17, 2008, 2:42pm EST
I'm going to have to say a big "AMEN!" on this one!!! I pondered the notion of teaching art but this is the very reason I vetoed that thought outright! They would have put me in the public school system and having known a lot about the ones around here, it's a blessing I didn't choose that route!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Vicky Duggins Nov 17, 2008, 2:48pm EST
My good friend's daughter began her first year of teaching this year. She teaches algebra, geometry and trig. The stories she told me about what some of the Middle Schoolers say to her and in her presence made my hair stand on end. She is going to stick with it and try to get an opening in teaching in high school. I suggested real estate.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Janet "Jax" B. Nov 17, 2008, 2:50pm EST
Why do you think that Georgia is ranked 48 out of 51....Sonny's moved us up 3 spots (it could be more by now, I haven't checked lately)...we were LAST in the nation as far as education goes.

I subbed in the Cobb County Schools for a number of years and was also a supply teacher. The kids in some of the schools are just terrible. It's absolutely unbelievable to me. That is one of the reasons my son goes to a homeschool school. He had such a bad class (and teacher) his 5th gr. year...
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Rae M. Nov 17, 2008, 4:07pm EST
Sounds like a really tough day. I am glad you let them know that these students are in need of some control.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Bridget ♥ Nov 17, 2008, 4:24pm EST
That is awful
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jodie B. Nov 17, 2008, 6:13pm EST
Wow, sounds like a really bad day. Good for you, bringing this to people's attention. It's not right that kids think they can act that way.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Marilyn M. Nov 17, 2008, 7:36pm EST
Bless your heart, Kerrell. I've heard that every classroom is now like the one in Welcome Back Kotter. Sounds like that's right.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Pristina S. Nov 17, 2008, 7:58pm EST
Unbelievable, you have alot to deal with.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Kerrell g. Nov 17, 2008, 9:28pm EST
At least the Sweathogs respected Kotter, Marilyn.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Marsha S. Nov 17, 2008, 10:20pm EST
I homeschool, but Jasmine, my 12 yr old, was pointing out to me the other day that if teachers need to be one of the highest paying jobs, not one of the lowest.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Nora Davenport Nov 17, 2008, 10:27pm EST
I have a teaching certificate and could teach K through 8, but there is no way I would ever, ever, ever go back to teaching.....not these days.......nobody could pay me enough......I finally let my certificate expire because I just felt it was too dangerous to be in teaching.....there have been so many stabbings of teachers....when students physically attack the teachers, teachers cannot strike back.....they have to take it.
The teaching profession will never, ever be one of the highest paying jobs.........it's sad, but true.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Andrea (Ms. Conservative) L. Nov 17, 2008, 10:54pm EST
Leaving a 10 as my comment!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Ladybounty ~. Nov 18, 2008, 3:17pm EST
Wow I'm sorry! Sounds like a really crappy time but like you 'got a handle' on it!
Better you than me my friend....I don't have the patience anymore.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Karen L. Nov 18, 2008, 4:22pm EST
Wow Kerrell, sounds like you had your hands full! They couldn't pay me enough money to teach in a high school! I think you sound like a great teacher. Back in our day theres no way you would get away with the stuff these kids pull now! I'm glad you were pro-active with the letter to the real teacher who was probably out with a headache and either counting the days until his retirement or getting therapy and drugs just to make it through the day! Sounds like the movie "Fast Times At Ridgemont High".
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Mariana T. Nov 18, 2008, 4:48pm EST
You're a wonderful teacher - when I subbed here at Santa Barbara High, I walked in and said - "I know I look cool (I always did) but I turn cold very fast. Anyone giving me any problems at all will be escorted to the office by one of the hall monitors. No second chances.
Now, I want the smartest person in the class to come up and lead this class while I sit in the back and observe. Of course, several folks always volunteered to do everything - But, I have to tell you that I always arrived at my classes early and complimented many students as they walked in. Years later, I still have many who remember me (and believe me, I had several who did go on to graduate from Crossbar University).

Salud
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Mariana T. Nov 18, 2008, 4:54pm EST
Here in Santa Barbara, we have to have a B.A. or B.S. as well as a year of intensive teaching during the day with a master teacher - half the year at Junior High and half the year at Senior High as well as night classes. We also took classes to be Reading Specialists...this is to teach as a Secondary, single subject substitute teacher! Of course, I could have taught regularly but I had many other things going on in my life. I actually had fun as many of my classes were in Art or Physical Ed. two of my favorite subjects! Salud
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Abby N. Nov 18, 2008, 8:17pm EST
I think you hit the nail on the head, God got kicked out of school and other places as well. I can see how you'd be so stressed out. Good to write it all out and get some frustration out. True I've complained about some teachers but most of them are good teachers and if they are having a bad day, it usually some of the students. I often wonder about their parents and the roll they play in their kids' behavior. My son has learning disablities the way it is and then the kids act disruptive and his grades suffer. The teacher gets too busy and stressed and overwhelmed and can't help the students who need extra help. My opinion anyways.
During the testing this year, they passed out OJ to all the students first to see if that makes a difference in their grades. We have to wait a few months to see. My son said some kids actually behaved better after drinking it. I tried that a couple years ago at home and it helped. Kids need to get enough sleep too or they get sleep deprivation and act up. Having parents who are drunks and druggies or just not there for the kids makes a huge difference too. No guidance. No proper nutrition, etc.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
queen.susan . Nov 18, 2008, 8:37pm EST
I can totally identify with what you're saying, Kerrell.
I have a B.S. in Elementary Education and taught school for a couple of years many years ago. I remember the good kids and the troublemakers, too. I remember the parents that cared and took an active role in making sure their kids were there to learn and I remember the parents that didn't seem to care at all. Teaching is a hard job. . . full of more challenges than lots of people think about. Glad you're there to make a difference.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Ann Weaver Hart Nov 18, 2008, 8:58pm EST
I'm sorry that you had this day. I'm of two minds on this.

I always told my children that if they got in trouble in school, there would be trouble when they got home. I expected them to obey the rules and make an effort to do their work. Most of the time this worked.

Occasionally, one of my children would run into a bad teacher. One teacher waited until she couldn't stand the sight of my son before doing anything. Then she let him have it with both barrels. Why not take care of the little problems when they are still little? One teacher thought it would be a good idea to get into a power struggle with my 18-year-old daughter over wearing too much makeup on Halloween. What kind of idiot gets into a power struggle with an 18-year-old? Even I know better.

You have a right to have order in your classroom. I wonder why other teachers don't want order in theirs. The kids didn't act out of character. They might have been worse because you were a sub, but they were not doing anything they didn't know they could get away with.

Better luck next time.
Ciao!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Marge H. Nov 19, 2008, 6:34pm EST
What a frustrating day! Thank God you don't have to teach those kids every day. At least it sounds like there are some advantages to being a sub.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
lynn a. Nov 20, 2008, 12:47am EST
kerrel g., it makes you wonder, doesn't it. I worked with some of these kids' predecessors. They could turn a functioning office into a zoo. They left the company wide open for a law suit if the women in there had ever decided to do so. And the women would have one. I've worked with the fresh out of high school and college groups before. It's a major transition and it takes them forever to get it. Probably because they don't have to in high school. Most recently the college students decided they weren't working all the time they were in the office. And they didn't. Then they didn't believe they could be fired for not working. They didn't believe they'd cause our supervisor to be fired. Then they were absolutely stunned to find them on schedule as stand-by only. Tsk. Tsk.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Wilma M. Nov 20, 2008, 10:51am EST
It sounds like a nightmare. MANY years ago, I got my degree in education and did my student teaching in a school that was light years away from the one you describe. I still decided I was not cut out to be a disciplinarian enough for the kids who wanted to throw spitballs and make paper airplanes rather than study French and German. I don't know how teachers can survive in the atmosphere you described. I guess they do their best and go home and cry, drink or relieve stress however possible.

The sad thing is the parents of those disruptive students most likely treat authority the same way and might even laugh at what their kids are doing.

It's certainly not like when I was in school!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
J R B. Nov 21, 2008, 12:06am EST
Kerrell, I love the idea of a hidden camera in the room. This would be wonderful for the parents to see. I had to arrange surprise visits to school when my oldest thought he was so clever to disobey in school. On days my son thought I could not get to school I was there. I caught him. His teacher loved me, as I straightened my son out.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Kerrell g. Nov 21, 2008, 12:31am EST
I will talk to some of my teacher friends about the hidden camera thing and see what they think, JRB.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Tracy Fabre Nov 21, 2008, 12:46am EST
Excellent soapboxing. Keep going.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Glome . . . Nov 21, 2008, 2:54am EST
Ah ha. We need good old conservative discipline back in schools :):)
Where are the parents. How can they let the kids grow up with no respectful fear of authority; no standing in awe of age? I don't understand. Our very love of our children ought to demand discipling them.
I don't know what the future holds.
I'm sorry you and the other teachers have to put up with this. I would have to fight anger at the parents all day.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
DIANE D. Nov 23, 2008, 5:53am EST
You Are To Nice, I could not have kept my cool!~
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Tracey E. Nov 26, 2008, 9:41am EST
That is terrible how those kids were. And I am sure that the same scenario is true in most schools throughout the country.

Kids in school should be more disciplined and parents should allow the teachers to do this. Heck, when I was in high school in the late 70's and early 80's if we misbehaved, we had to go to Coach Duke to get a paddling (and I am a girl) it didn't matter. You FEARED that paddle and didn't want to get one.

PARENTS REALLY NEED TO STOP PANDERING THE KIDS and let them be disciplined in some form at school and...on the other hand....

SCHOOLS ARE RIDICULOUS WITH SOME OF THEIR RULES they sometimes punish the wrong people and never give the kids a voice to speak up when the teacher is wrong.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Ruth Luce Nov 27, 2008, 6:57pm EST
I sure think that you got that right, when they are like this you can make a bet it's the fault of the parents with your life savings and retire on easy street. If anyone told my mom we did something wrong, she would whip us first and ask questions later. Notice I didn't say "beat", but we dreaded (though knew we earned) the whippings anyway!!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Donna S. Nov 28, 2008, 7:30pm EST
AMEN!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Dr. Erica Goodstone Nov 30, 2008, 2:55pm EST
Kerrell,
It's not just the subs who have to endure the disrespect and chaos in the classrooms nowadays. I have a client who is teaching at a "good" "upscale" high school and has many of these "crap" days. And his salary is not enough to cover his bills. Yet some of these self-preoccupied and greedy CEO's make so-o-o-o much money. The world is not exactly fair, is it.
I guess you just have to pay your dues for awhile.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Nurse Nancy S. Dec 3, 2008, 4:56pm EST
You were a lot nicer than I would have been. I have great respect for teachers, as they have a thankless job. You couldn't get me to teach in any classroom in this world. I would rather clean latrines!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Janet Somewhere Up On The Mount Dec 7, 2008, 2:41pm EST
MyHotComments.com
MyHotComments
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Linda T. Dec 8, 2008, 6:56am EST
You did say these were high school kids right!
Kerrell g. May 22, 2009, 11:49pm EDT

YEP!

reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Barb (Gather Site Ferret) Carlson Dec 8, 2008, 2:34pm EST
I'm with you there. I had a terrible time trying to keep my daughter in classes where there wasn't mass chaos. I got behind her and let her drop any class where there was pandemonium.

She really isn't gifted, but because she behaved, I was able to get her into the gifted classes where she did great. It's awful that the kids who want to learn CAN'T due to chaos in the classroom. She learned much better in those classes because the teacher had time to TEACH.

I insisted my children behave in school. I'm sure I didn't hear about everything, but what I did hear about, they were severely punished for. I didn't tolerate rudeness. I also didn't expect my children to obey blindly, and because of that, they obeyed me.

I hope something changes soon, otherwise no one will be ready for work when they graduate. It's a darned shame. I think parents/children need to PAY for school. Let them get the $$ back at the end if they behave. :) It's not valued if it's free.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Amanda C. Dec 8, 2008, 8:05pm EST
Wow....it's sad to see that kids these days have even less respect for authority than when I was in high school.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Amanda C. Dec 8, 2008, 8:05pm EST
Also, thanks for the comment on my question!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Kathy D. Dec 10, 2008, 11:18am EST
Man, it takes a brave person to be a teacher!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
The Red Headed Witch of Gather G. Dec 10, 2008, 5:10pm EST
I'm not sure I agree with the religious portion of this article, however I do agree that kinds nowdays are out of control. Parents just don't take the time to teach them discipline or respect anymore. Not to mention it seems like the ones with the most kids have problems themselves, so we probably realistically can't expect them to be the best parent anyways, but that's a topic for another time.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Dan R. Dec 13, 2008, 7:39pm EST
The problem with this, is it is often supported by the parents, because they refuse to be parents...

Very good article, and hopefully they can be worked with before it is too late.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Darin Waugh Dec 16, 2008, 7:36pm EST
I feel you! I was a substitute teacher for two years!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Donna Besso Dec 20, 2008, 4:49pm EST
Why, those little bastids!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
*Carol ~Bronx Southern Belle D. Dec 21, 2008, 1:36pm EST
Kerrell,
That's why I quit. It was great for the first 10 years, but after that it just seemed like kids were getting their education by the measure of their audacity. Sorry you had to go through that.Meez 3D avatar avatars gamesJoin La La Land
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Nurse Nancy S. Dec 22, 2008, 8:57pm EST

glitter-graphics.com
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Melanie B. Dec 24, 2008, 5:39pm EST
That is awful what a bad day.. Sorry you had to go through that.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Kirstie Pederson Dec 26, 2008, 6:23pm EST
That is why I could not imagine being a teacher. GOD bless you for doing that. I am teaching my son (who will be 6 tommorow) that he has to respect adults. It drives me crazy when I see kids acting up in stores or in church. I am a sunday school teacher for fifth grade and I tell them "this is a church, you will not run in here and you will show respect to GOD while you are here." I have yet to have a parent get upset with me. In fact most parents have said thank you to me for telling them that.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Sandi S. Dec 29, 2008, 1:46am EST
Is there any hope for the future of our country??
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Dena Straughn Jan 2, 2009, 12:56am EST
Just dropping in to wish you a wonderful new year filled with God's blessing and hope and great love!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Amada Z. Jan 3, 2009, 2:13pm EST
Kids today are missing something for sure. I think it depends on the school, the parent involvement, and the expectations for behavior from the school.
Good post, hang in there !!!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Esther IS Flesh and Blood S. Jan 4, 2009, 6:56am EST
My gosh!

Do you mean that when they come to class and you're ready to start that the kids don't shut up and give you their undivided attention?

I graduated in '77 and call me ancient but if we would have pulled that kind of mess we would have been on perpetual detention, failed the class, sent to the principals office for disciplinary actions, or expelled or all of the above.

Good luck to you Kerrell. I am with you on your soapbox. Call it what you will but it sounds to me like these teens just have no respect for authority and that must be dealt with now rather than like you say in a body bag at the morgue.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Stephanie, proud Maw-Maw to my 2 granddaughters, G Jan 5, 2009, 12:17am EST
The very day they took God out of the classroom, I knew then and there, the life of a teacher was going to be hell, and oh yeah that is an added luxury you get no pay raise for that added commodity! I have the utmost respect for the modern day school teachers. Yeah, we were heathens back in our day, but what that teacher didn't do to at school for acting like a damn fool, Momma did when we got home.
Nowadays, the teachers call the parents and the parents go to school and threaten the teachers for correcting thier children.
I could never be a school teacher, I would be in jail within the first three hours and believe me I would go willingly.
My hats off to you,thanks for trying to shape our leaders/thugs/heathans of tomorrow!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Stephanie, proud Maw-Maw to my 2 granddaughters, G Jan 5, 2009, 12:18am EST
Thanks for the comment at my article about the 12 y/o child who killed his mother. I have left you a reply at that article!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Alison H. Jan 5, 2009, 3:31am EST
Good for you for laying down the law! Guess some of those kids are going to have to learn in the school of hard knocks.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
(Jasper,(Disciple for Christ. w. Jan 8, 2009, 2:11pm EST
If you had disciplined the worse student in the class, you would have the parents to fight.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
carmel m. Jan 13, 2009, 7:51am EST
Wow That sounds like a very rough day. Glad its over.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Mrslisae Photography E. Jan 14, 2009, 9:11am EST
That's pretty much how I remember it...sorry Kerrell!

Wednesday Comments

Spicecomments.com - Wednesday Comments

reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Georgiana S. Jan 17, 2009, 6:38pm EST
I never caused allt hat trouble in school, I just ditched all the time!
LOL
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Paul F. Jan 18, 2009, 6:58pm EST
I ditched school once, got caught and my mum put the fear of god in me and I sure never did it again.

My mum caught my brother and me swearing once and we both got a real ear bashing..
We did manage to avoid the soap in the mouth treatment though so that was a relief.

I was 40 and he was 35 at the time!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Teresa T. Jan 20, 2009, 12:58am EST
So sorry to hear this...
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Mark N. Jan 23, 2009, 7:13pm EST
i agree with you completely
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Ginny W. Feb 2, 2009, 9:08pm EST
I like your pin and I gave you a 10!

Thanks for sharing...
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Renee (Pres of Baby James Foundation) ~. Feb 2, 2009, 10:48pm EST
Thats awful. If my child acted that way at school they would wish they didn't when they got home. Makes you wonder how they are at home..
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Ratan . Feb 8, 2009, 11:55am EST
You are too brave. Hats off!!!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Vikki M. Feb 18, 2009, 5:24pm EST
Sounds so frustrating! I don't remember ever acting so rude and obnxious when I was a kid.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Elizabeth Madrigal Feb 27, 2009, 12:32am EST
I taught music for kinder through 8th grade for 3 years and burned out so completely on the 8th graders, I refused to teach them my final year, and that was a parochial school. My teacher friends now tell me so many horror stories I completely understand why so many want to get out of the profession.

The sad part is that most of these kids are so desperate for the attention that they don't get at home, they typrannize the rest of the kids. I would first say that many of them have a misplaced sense of entitlement - and will say things like "I'll get you fired", unthinkable in my era. Then you have the parents who are afraid that their kid won't 'love' them if they dare to demand the kids buck up or behave and function as required.

Substitutes, however, get the worst treatment by students - which seems to be tolerated by the principals and the regular teachers. If my students misbehaved with a sub, I would certainly insist they pay for it big time. The problem is less the students and more the adults, as we all know kids will try to get away with whatever they think they can. Oh, and so will most of their parents, who have totally abdicated their parental responsibility, expecting the schools to nto only educate but raise their children.

Sorry for the rant, but I was trying to be supportive.:)
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Chelsea R. Feb 28, 2009, 9:43pm EST
im sorry for your bad day Kerrell!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
maria c. Apr 4, 2009, 4:06pm EDT
You handled it well : )
Respect should be taught at home..as well as a few other basics..
I think the parents should be punished ..Make them accountable for their children's actions ..
Make them do a few detentions with their kids..!!
Or , clean up the school grounds together ..
I bet their kids will wise up real fast..!!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Ladybounty ~. Apr 6, 2009, 12:37pm EDT
Sorry for your bad day Kerrell! But you DID handle it well. Just keep thinking that summer is right around the corner.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
libramoon C. Apr 14, 2009, 4:15pm EDT
My high school years were certainly hell. That was back in the ancient 60's. It's not what's being done or not done today. It's the fundamental nature of imprisoning a large group of hostile hyper-hormonal energetic youth without acknowledging their frustration thus incubated.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Gary (aka: William Pinn) J. Apr 19, 2009, 7:04pm EDT
Where were you when I went to high school? Probably in grammar school. LOL! I wish I had more teachers like YOU.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Stacey (Jesus is coming soon! ) U. Apr 19, 2009, 10:02pm EDT
Substituting is so fun...regardless what the age....;p
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Purrrrrrrrrrr~Genki dashite~Nantoka naru-yo! S. May 2, 2009, 6:25pm EDT
They soooooo could NOT pay me enough to go back to teaching!

You are more than brave, you're a SAINT!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jeana Hamilton May 3, 2009, 8:47pm EDT
Oh boy...
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Holly K. May 8, 2009, 6:39pm EDT
My husband is a teacher. Sometimes I really wonder how he handles all of it. I think teachers do so much! They definitely deserve more pay!!!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Sarah A. Hopes for More TOS Enforcement May 19, 2009, 5:40pm EDT
Kerrel, you nailed it. Having both subbed and had a child w/o epidural - I'd much rather go through natural childbirth again than this. I used to lie awake in a cold sweat from 5 am to 8, praying no one would call me in. And my kids were pretty good - rural Oregon, no drugs, gangs etc.

I had one little girl I kept after class. I told her (it was just me and her at that point) that she had to be quiet for 5 consecutive minutes before she could leave. In the end, after an extra 2 hours on my day (unpaid 2 hours) I had to let her go. Last bus was leaving. She simply couldn't do it. I wonder what her parents were like.

Great post.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Sarah A. Hopes for More TOS Enforcement May 19, 2009, 5:42pm EDT
Paul K. I had a friend with learning disabilities who (for a lot of reasons) was an alcoholic by 14. He could remember the 1 teacher who actually tried to teach him - the rest just passed him on up the line...

Better pay for teachers is my solution. Get the deadwood out with a little competition.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Renda B~surviving the storm by dancing in the rain. May 25, 2009, 3:02pm EDT

I just commented about teachers on another post.  Teachers are some of the most underpaid and under recognized people I know.  I truly do not know how you even do your job.  I certainly would not want to attempt it and am thankful there are people like you who DO want to teach.

reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Victoria H. May 26, 2009, 3:15pm EDT

I know it was a terrible day for you, but this entire thing had me rolling on the floor with laughter right from the title of your article.   Sorry!  : )

reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Haim Kadman May 27, 2009, 11:56am EDT

Sorry you'd such a bad day Kerrell but yes troublemakers should be flogged, good idea.

reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Dawn (fly on the wall) May 27, 2009, 4:20pm EDT

i agree. some parents are teaching there kids right before they go to school. some parents expect teachers to raise their kids. teachers aren't supposed to raise their kids and babysit. they are there to teach.

reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Connie L. Jun 2, 2009, 6:55pm EDT

Hey there, well I don't think I could say anything more than what has already been said.  I stopped by to thank you for commenting on my Patsy Cline post.  I am planning on going back to substitute teaching this coming fall, just because I need a parttime job and can't find one elsewhere.........I don't look forward to it.

reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in