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by ~Sia McKye~
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August 8, 2007

AS A WRITER, WHERE AND HOW ARE YOU DROPPING YOUR PEBBLES? Wombats CCXI

October 26, 2008 03:33 PM EDT (Updated: February 16, 2009 01:13 PM EST)
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I’m a reflective person by nature. I think about many things in life. Look for lessons and ways to make things better for me and mine. To me, life is like a giant puzzle made of pebbles. Sometimes it’s comprised of hard labor.  Other times, the fun is in seeing how to work all the pieces tossed at us, and make a picture of it. Don’t like those particular pieces? Rearrange them. I’m also an optimist but with my feet firmly planted in reality. I know if I work at it hard enough, think it through, I’ll find a way. And so it is with my writing.

To be a writer is rather solitary.  We pour our hearts and souls into our writing--our characters, our created world.  They're part of us, aren't they?  When someone rejects that, of course we feel it AND feel they're rejecting us. On one level that's true, but we have to learn to compartmentalize, or we're dead in the water.  We have to have tough Rhino skin or we're not going to survive. And yah, it sucks.

As with most of the entertainment/arts groups, publishing is a tough playing field to break into. A key element to be a success in any field is to be focused, working at perfecting your skills, and believing in yourself and your abilities.

I think about authors like Nora Roberts, Jayne Ann Krentz, and Catherine Coulter. They all started out with Harlequin and or Silhouette. Many curled their lips at books from Harlequin. Whether it’s a lightweight romance publisher, or POD and E-book publishers—who cares where you start, so long as you start? I believe these authors honed their story telling skills and learned what readers like and didn't like, and built a readership base in these forums. And who are we to curl our lips, or diminish the worth of an author that makes those choices? Now, these authors are now regularly on the Best Sellers lists.

Singers start out playing local, market themselves aggressively, and get their names out there. How? Singers play for anyone that lets them sing. Bars, lounges, you name it. Actors do the same with local theatre, and work their way up. They network like crazy.  Are you doing that as a writer?

Pebble in the pool effect. Think about American idol. These singers are looking for shortcuts and there isn’t anything wrong with that, but even the shortcuts come with fierce competition. As authors, we do contests too, so we can relate.

What’s important here is: if the pebble isn’t first dropped into a pool of water, no ripples happen. The pebble has to be dropped more than once. It’s the same with writing. Every time you write a story, you drop a pebble and every time you query, or enter a contest, you drop another one. Every blog, writer’s conference, and joining a writing group is another pebble.

Maybe only a few of us will make it big. The truth of the matter is; it’s not solely dependent upon talent. There are lots of talented people. Sometimes chance or fate or whatever you want to call it, steps in. But, if we’re not putting forth the effort, and getting our writing, our name out there, it can’t be offered.

There’s a quote I like and I’ll share it with you. "Opportunity dances with those already on the dance floor."

…or dropping the pebbles.

It’s something I think about frequently—what am I doing with my pebbles?

Stacking them in a pile with no work or thought given them?

Am I hoarding them in a drawer where no one can see them?

Am I allowing fear of success or failure, hold me back?

 

 

By putting our work out there, we’re on the dance floor or to continue the metaphor, dropping our pebbles.

As a writer, where and how are you dropping your pebbles?

Rough pebbles, cut and polished, and well arranged.  Are your pebbles used to the best effect?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Pat Bertram Oct 26, 2008, 2:43pm EDT
First?
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Pat Bertram Oct 26, 2008, 2:43pm EDT
Wow! First time I was first! Amazing considering that gather kicked me off three times in the past three minutes.
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Pat Bertram Oct 26, 2008, 2:50pm EDT
I like your pebble analogy -- too many people throw rocks thinking they will make a big splash, but in the end they only drench rather than entice. My pebbles? Writing my blog articles, inviting guests (as someone noticed today, when they googled their name, mine showed up almost as often), posting on articles on gather and the Second Wind Blog, sticking my two cents in whenever I can. Maybe everything will help, maybe not. So much of it is luck, and I'm not very lucky. But I can always find more pebbles.
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Pat Bertram Oct 26, 2008, 2:54pm EDT
This is fun -- my own Wombat thread!

I'd posted two comments on my thread, but they never showed up. One, apparently, was unmemorable, because I have no idea what it said. The other said:

Sia, I walked today, too. Gotta get that blood flowing!

I've been writing, though as always, it's slow. I can't imagine writing 50,000 words in a month. They just don't come. But I'll keep plodding. I'm about to introduce my hero to a prehistoric sea beast. What fun!
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Pat Bertram Oct 26, 2008, 3:00pm EDT
I'm not ready for winter either. I used to love the cold, but now have a hard time dealing with it. The one offsetting factor is that the cold gets my brain in gear, so winter is when I get my novels written.

Tossing pebbles works -- at least to get your name out there. A year ago if someone googled me, all sorts of Pat Bertrams showed up, but not a single one was me. Now if you google me, the entire first page is me. But for someone to google me, they would first have to know my name, which is where the pebbles come in.
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 26, 2008, 3:54pm EDT
At least you're tossing pebbles Pat B. Getting your name known. It certainly can't hurt. Considering how long it takes a writer to build a following, I think every little bit helps.
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Wanda H. Oct 26, 2008, 3:55pm EDT
You have set me to thinking. I haven't been doing anything with my pebbles at all. I have to begin to really think about what I want and then how to use my pebbles to my best advantage.

Thanks Sia

Pat, Gather doesn't know what it's doing by throwing you off. I haven't had that experience and I don't want to either. Just glad to know you keep coming back. ;o)
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 26, 2008, 3:56pm EDT
I told you I'd be working on it too, Pat B. It's beautiful here today, mild and sunny. Yesterday and the day before was cold. Brrr. I'm not ready for winter, darn it.
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 26, 2008, 3:59pm EDT
I'll be in and out, like Jamie and Viv, have all those wonderful chores to get done....
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John Philipp Oct 26, 2008, 4:30pm EDT
Great quote, Sia.
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Lee P. Oct 26, 2008, 4:35pm EDT
Hey ya'll - whenever I think of dropping pebbles I think of Hansel and Gretel, so just stay away from the gingerbread house, Okay, unless you know ahead of time how to push the ole witch into the oven and then and only then can you eat the house.
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 26, 2008, 4:42pm EDT
THanks John, it's one of my favorites.

Lee, the only witches around here are good ones, lolol!
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Lee P. Oct 26, 2008, 4:55pm EDT
Glad to hear it.
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ML S. Oct 26, 2008, 5:32pm EDT
Know how to play marbles. I like playing with my kinetic marble toy instead though. Watch them go down the ramps and drop from the arm. Very meditative. Plunk, roll, plunk roll, plunk.
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Jamie C. Oct 26, 2008, 5:50pm EDT
My pebble pile is huge, some more polished than others. Some have been tossed into the pond but sent back to be polished again. Great analogy, Sia.

Our power went out for about 30 minutes. It's VERY windy today.

Good to see you, Lee. Glad you've stopped by again.
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Sy g. Oct 26, 2008, 5:51pm EDT
Ken
From the last thread, you last comment contained a clever sounding quote against the idea of voting. Could you elaborate? I mean what is his suggestion? overturn the system? Which system does he thing works better?
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Sy g. Oct 26, 2008, 5:52pm EDT
On topic. I have about 40 million pebbles, each weighing at least 1000 tons, and I am continually hurling them into the freaking pond, whcih at this point is totally devoid of water.
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ML S. Oct 26, 2008, 5:56pm EDT
Power only flickered over on this side.

Don't have any pebbles. Lost them along with my marbles.
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 26, 2008, 6:17pm EDT
Didn't anyone teach you how to play marbles, Mike?

Jamie, sorry about the power failure. hate that when it happens. 4 loads of laundry down 3 to go. How in the world do I have so many loads of clothes when only three live in this house and i washed clothes just 2 days ago? The wind has come up strong in the last hour. Was very mild but it's getting cooler now.

Sy, you big strong man you. *fluttering my lashes A ton. I'm impressed. Seriously, you've done as lot of marketing for your book and you as an author.
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Pat S. Oct 26, 2008, 6:32pm EDT
Very fast pass through, and I'll answer the questions later. I need to fix two scenes in Ashes that woke me up this morning. Went to the opera today and found the role model for my next hero. I don't like him in some of the photos, but I loved this one, and he moves beautifully.

Erwin Schrott

Goofy name, but the man can sing!
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 26, 2008, 6:43pm EDT
Hmmm...my version of this quote was back when I first had a serious band. Well, it was getting serious, anyway. The guitar player had arranged for us to get free recording time at a music school. The teacher/engineer used to be the chief engineer at Motown L.A. and was really good.

He really encouraged me. The first person in music who was a real pro to do so. What he said to me was: "You can't make them throw you the football. But you can be ready to catch it when they do."

This always stuck with me. For me it meant working on craft and doing good work. I definitely never put as much time into the promotional aspects, probably to my detriment.

On the other hand, all the work on the writing does seem to have paid off for me - well, up to a point anyway. I got the agent and feel much more in control of my writing, like I understand how to do things on a deeper level than I used to.

But the big pebble - getting the agent - okay, is that dropping a pebble in this analogy? Or is it a metaphor? I can never remember. Anyway, the next part, selling the book, is out of my control. It will happen or it won't, and it won't be up to me. I did my part by writing the book. And rewriting the book. And rewriting...

The most productive thing for me to do right now is to write the next book. If the first book sells, then I know I'll have to be dropping pebbles all over the place, because so much of the marketing is up to the author. But for now, I am focusing on the writing.
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Vivian A. Oct 26, 2008, 6:48pm EDT
Sia good analogy. My pebbles are a motley crew that are presently ignored. I'm sure their about to form a mob and instigated a coup. That is why I'm avoiding writing the story that involves... you guys know, come on... yes! Bloody sacrifice! I'll end up killed by my own pissed off characters.

Fourth and final load of laundry for the day is tumbling in the dryer. Pork roast is roasting. And memorizing of Maya and Aztec imagery complete. Song, Yuan, Ming, and Qing limping along. Papers to be attended to and linens finish changing out.

Cool and quiet here. DD's friend just got word that heart surgery is necessary. Waiting for word on whether it will be only bypass, or pacemaker, or *fingers crossed, no- transplant. Talk about harsh, she's 14.

Feeling pensive... But happy to announce another intrepid author has joined the fray. FRESH MEAT is served. Enjoy Wombats.
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ML S. Oct 26, 2008, 6:59pm EDT
Jeepers creepers, where'd you get those peepers, jeepers creeepers, where'd you get those eyes

lalala
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Ken C. Oct 26, 2008, 7:02pm EDT
Sy, I made an attempt to address your query here:

The Sovereign Union of Vagabonds
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 26, 2008, 7:08pm EDT
Oh, wow, I missed the part about Vivian's 14 year old friend. That is scary. I hoep it doesn't come to a transplant.
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ML S. Oct 26, 2008, 7:09pm EDT
Nope, just trying to stay upbeat. Hurt my back, hip and right leg pretty bad this afternoon and can barely get around.
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 26, 2008, 7:29pm EDT
Oh yah, I just bet he does, Pat, lolol! And sings too, huh? Ahem.

Thank you Viv. Well, we can't have you killed by your own characters. Just keep repeating, it's only a story. they're not real...
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 26, 2008, 7:29pm EDT
I was gonna suggest what Sia suggested, except maybe have a beer too.
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Vivian A. Oct 26, 2008, 7:30pm EDT
Its hard to see, especially with young people that life isn't fair. We are all hoping for the best, but that is all we can do right now.

Mike, I'm with Sia quit the crazy. And take the ibuprofen, sager advice has not been given, unless of course you have been given instructions from your doctor stating otherwise. ;)

The roast needs risotto.
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ML S. Oct 26, 2008, 7:43pm EDT
i'm fine thanks.
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ML S. Oct 26, 2008, 7:46pm EDT
don't have a pad big enough. been trying to nap off and on. only way i can relax. meds not helping much. at least it doesn't hurt as much laying down.
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Jill Lynn A. Oct 26, 2008, 7:57pm EDT
Guess my goal is to collect enough pebbles to make a solid surface.

And speaking of pebbles, I ordered new checks yesterday. Featuring Pebbles (of Flintstone fame. HA) If you gotta pay bills, you might as well make some fun out of it.
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 26, 2008, 7:57pm EDT
Lisa, I remember you quoting him before and I liked it them. Same principle. Sound like you're putting yourself in position. Yes, your agent has to sell the story to a publisher. I doubt he would have signed you though, if he had doubts he could do so. And that's what I'm seeing, authors have to do most of the marketing of themselves. Living and working where you do, I'm sure you've learned a thing or two about marketing. And probably have some networks in place as well.

Vivian, that's so tough for a 14 year old to have to deal with. Scary for the parents too. I hope the solution is anything but a heart transplant.
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 26, 2008, 8:03pm EDT
Watching old movies Mike?
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Dale C. Oct 26, 2008, 8:14pm EDT
I vote, but I feel free to vote for third parties. I'm probably going to vote third party for president, Democratic for house of representatives, and Republican for Senate.

One thing a lot of people aren't aware of yet: There is a very real chance that the Democratic Party will control the presidency, the house of representative, and 60 votes in the Senate at the end of this election. The 60 votes in the Senate is significant because that gives them the ability to cut off filibusters. As far as I can figure out, there have only been two times when one party has had that much control of the federal government: The Democrats under FDR in the 1930s and again under LBJ from 1964 to 1966.

This could be a once or twice in a century time when one party has the ability to totally reshape US government, the economy, health care, labor laws and our lives in general in a way that will likely persist for as long as most of us are likely to live. There will be no need to compromise, no need to form a coalition with moderate Republicans. If the Democratic party wants it, it will happen.

I have mixed emotions about that. There are a lot of things that seriously do need fixing about this country and breaking the logjam could make those things happen. On the other hand, I'm not at all comfortable with the idea of the country being reshaped by a narrow group of leaders of one party. That's something to think very seriously about.

In the past two cases where one party has had that kind of monopoly of power, there has been a period of about 100 days where the party worked in virtual lockstep to pass a large amount of very significant legislation, some much needed, some well-intentioned but poorly thought out, some just dumb or destructive. After that period, representative and Senators from competitive districts tend to peel off and start blocking legislation that will play badly in their states or districts. So: very good chance that our lives will be changed in very major ways in 2009.
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Jamie C. Oct 26, 2008, 8:14pm EDT
Very tasty opera singer, Pat.

Vivian, that's terrible. Hearts are not supposed to give out at 14.

Mike, do stop with the tightrope walking. Or at least use a net, next time.

I'm going nuts with this biochem stuff again. RNA transcription: trp operon, lac operon, promotors, enhancers, inducers, silencers, negative induction, negative repression, positive induction, positive repression, blah blah blah. And I'm just now getting to the non-bacterial stuff. The stuff I just finished is the "basic and easy to understand system". Egad! *stabs self with highlighter
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 26, 2008, 8:24pm EDT
hmmm, looks like the giant bird that has been plaguing me sent a pal to visit you. Aren't you special? If you can, take a nice warm bath, throw on some comfortable sweats, take some anti inflamatories--like ibuprofen which will help cut the pain too.

Mike I've told you time and again that tightrope walking just isn't safe...
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Dale C. Oct 26, 2008, 8:24pm EDT
After getting my arm twisted to get me into Nano I'm getting really enthusiastic about it. I finally settled on a general plot (it involved alternate history-shock there, huh). I'm developing characters, which I'm already falling in love with. Let's see: A body with head and body cut off to avoid identification. A different reality with a surviving Roman Empire. A female pyromaniac. Just a few of the elements I'm trying to weave together.
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Dale C. Oct 26, 2008, 8:26pm EDT
body should read hands
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ML S. Oct 26, 2008, 8:26pm EDT
no tightrope or fence. it was the stairs down to my place and a pair of socks that decided to try and slip me up.
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Wendy C. Oct 26, 2008, 8:37pm EDT
Sia I'm trying to figure out where best to toss said pebbles. So, for the moment, I'm scattering them rather like seeds hoping one or two will root.

Viv sending good vibes for your young friend and her family.

I have managed to do mostly nothing all day. This is difficult, I'd rather be doing something. Off to watch a movie.
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Wendy C. Oct 26, 2008, 8:39pm EDT
Mike you can veg with me. I'm going to get milk from the store, and prolly candy.. any requests?
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 26, 2008, 8:43pm EDT
mmm, risotto sounds good. Around here, finding a good rice is hard. Everyone out here used long grain, I can find a medium rice but I love using a pearl style rice for that. And wine. We had a good old fashion roasted chicken, mashed potatoes, two veggies and biscuits. The boys, jake and his friend, ate the last of the brownies I made yesterday. I roast the chicken breast down so the white meat is tender and moist. I do the same with Turkey, unless I stuff it.

Mike do you have a heating pad? The best thing I find for mine is a alternating an ice pack and heating pad. Sounds icky but that's the prescription I was given by my doctor when I fractured my back. The heating pad in the morning will help restore flexibility so you can move, because you're gonna feel like one of Sy one ton stones is sitting on you in the morning.
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 26, 2008, 8:44pm EDT
Poor Mike, all these mother hens clucking around you...Just take it easy, will ya?
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Pat S. Oct 26, 2008, 9:06pm EDT
Back again (I'm a fast writer when I know what I want and have been forced to let it sit and percolate all day!) A reaction in one scene that adds to some character building. Another pivotal scene that has always been in my head but had apparently never made it to the page! LOL!

Vivia, sending good vibes to your friends. That is so scary. Puts all my petty problems into perspective. Let us know how it goes.

Pebbles? No, I'm really bad at that. Then again, I've only been doing this writing thing for a year, and before that, it was never on my radar. I'm still in learning mode. Learning how to write, how to do a query, how to do a synopsis. Heck, a year ago I had no idea what the difference was between an agent and an editor or why I'd ever want either one! I've crammed a heck of a lot of info in my head in a very, very short time.

Mike, rest and relax and stop trying to use the fence as a balance beam!

The opera, while enjoyable, was lost to me today. For starters, the costumes were about the same time period as Ashes, so I kept studying them. Cravats, puffy shirts, and trouser falls. Plus, the distraction of the singer. IMHO, Juan Diego Florez, a tenor, is more exciting to hear, but this guy, a bass-baritone, is more excting to watch. He has height, flxibility, and grace, and moves like a fencer. Mozart was my music of choice for Ashes, and it looks like it may be opera for this new one. I've even decided the hero is going to have the habit of singing snatches of opera! Of course, I'll have to counter that with naughty little sea chanties from the heroine!

Wendy, I'm so stuffed from dinner, I couldn't eat another bite. We usually go to a place called Mimi's after the opera (because of the La Boheme connection!) Dinner was pasta with chicken, both sun dried and fresh tomatoes, spinach, and artichoke hearts, with a light cream sauce made of tomatoes and assiago cheese, topped with fresh parmesan. It is to die for!
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 26, 2008, 9:06pm EDT
Hey Jill! You seem to be making headway though. Did well in the RWA contest too.
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Vivian A. Oct 26, 2008, 9:27pm EDT
Mike I have fallen down stairs enough times to have a healthy respect for them. Ugh! Take it easy, the worst is over. I know I should pay attention, mind always not where it should be! Socks with nubby bits are lifesavers ;)

Still figuring out my vote, not happy with the choices, but I'll do my duty. Dale it is a pivotal moment for the democratic party, if they don't do well it could haunt them for years.

It doesn't seem right, does it Jamie. Looking at her you'd never know. She's in marching band with my daughter, usual desires for her sister's room when she moves out to go to college and some mildangst. Of course the angst is a bit more comprehensible now.

DH is on the plane heading home. Airport run soon.

Sia one of the best things about living in a metro area, diverse foodstuffs. Great arborio rice and we get it at Trader Joe's market.
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Pat S. Oct 26, 2008, 9:32pm EDT
That's what you get for wearing socks, Mike. My sovereign prevention for accidents like that is to avoid treacherous, tricky things like socks, and go barefoot!
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Pat S. Oct 26, 2008, 9:37pm EDT
Dale! A female pyromaniac! Nice to know the villainess I just killed off will get to be live on in your character! Snd missing body parts! And men in those cute toga things! You'll have so much fun! Your story sounds wonderful!

Jamie, on the other hand, whatever it is you said sounds interesting, but I have no idea what any of it is. My world is much less complex than that!
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 26, 2008, 9:38pm EDT
I remember Trader Joe's Markets with great fondness, Vivian. Arborio is a great choice.

Dale, your story sounds fun. I always enjoy your stories. Love your imagination and combining science with history and your characters are usually well developed.

Yay! Laundry finally done and put away. Jake's buddy home safe and sound. Gidget crated. Jax did her nightly duties. Jake is laying here on the office couch reading the last fourth of his book called Blade of Fire, which he doesn't want to end. Nice thing to hear, I think.

Time to relax a bit. Have a nice cup of coffee. Know what I'd really like right now? Some good sipping scotch. Alas, I'm out of it. Not a drop. *shaking my head mournfully
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Pat S. Oct 26, 2008, 9:39pm EDT
Dale, I find the idea of one party controlling things to be utterly terrifying. Im not a fan of FDR and all the social programs we still live with. If you're going to vote third party, may I respectfully request you toss a vote to Bob Barr, Libertarian? Yes, most folks think of us as kooks, but you know and love Ken and I, and we at least are not dangerous kooks.
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Jamie C. Oct 26, 2008, 9:43pm EDT
Done with my lecture for Tuesday. I should work on Thursday's, but that's a whole 3 days away. Forget that!
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James R. Oct 26, 2008, 9:54pm EDT
Hi wombats. After a nasty rain storm last night, I had a beautiful fall day on which to celebrate my birthday. I've spend the weekend with the boys. We also did lots of projects around the house, continuing the fall cleanup. I finally got a chance to do a bit of writing in the evening.

I'll check back on the last thread and upthread here and see what I missed. I've also got some reading to do on the contest entries. Have a great week.
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James R. Oct 26, 2008, 9:58pm EDT
Sia, I love the metaphors you are using in the article. Dropping pebbles and building up ripples. Yes, that's the way it is when trying to build a writing career. Though each novel feels like a huge boulder when you're working on it and even when you finally roll it over to the lake and drop it in.
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Ken C. Oct 26, 2008, 10:00pm EDT
Pat, I'm very dangerous. Cats run away in terror when I approach.
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 26, 2008, 10:02pm EDT
Happy birthday James! My brother's was yesterday. Yes, they do sometimes feel like a huge boulder, and sitting on your chest at times, lol! Best you can do is chisel away at it.
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 26, 2008, 10:04pm EDT
If you would refrain from stepping on the poor things, Ken....
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 26, 2008, 10:35pm EDT
Well, I can hear my bed singing a siren's song. So I will talk to you all tomorrow. Sleep well and good dreams...
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Jamie C. Oct 26, 2008, 10:48pm EDT
Happy Birthday, James!

The wind has calmed here, but it's supposed to get down to around 25 tonight. Brrrrr! Even the cat refused to stay outside tonight.

Yep, it's bedtime. G'night.
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Sy g. Oct 26, 2008, 11:38pm EDT
James

Happy Birthday!!. Another year, eh? Speaking of boulders and ripples.
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 26, 2008, 11:47pm EDT
James, it's your birthday? Happy Birthday! I must be skimming the threads or reading and forgetting, cause I somehow missed this. Sounds like you had a wonderful day!

I'm back home, relaxing on the couch, watching COLD CASE. I'll open up some wine in a half hour or so and maybe do a little more writing after MAD MEN.
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 26, 2008, 11:48pm EDT
SHERRIE!!!! So great to see you again! More fun is a great goal - I totally support it!!!

Tell us more!
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Paul Allen Leoncini Oct 27, 2008, 12:09am EDT
Much of lifes' wonderful endeavors, come by way of LUCK. I wonder what life would be like without the love of writing? So terible a thought, ancestors would cry out from the grave, from hollowed ground itself.

Nah! No they wouldn't. I think writing can take you alot places, it's a game / craft best played with patience because most of the time your writing. That's what it takes, WRITING, and lots of it, obviously. And as Sylvia so elegantly pointed out - Lots of LUCK, and determination.

Love the article, Sia:
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Pat S. Oct 27, 2008, 12:25am EDT
Joyeux anniversaire mon cher James!! And many more!

Good night my dears and darlings, hellfire awaits on the morrow!
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Pat Bertram Oct 27, 2008, 12:39am EDT
For Humor Monday:

Witches Should Never Try to Be Very Good
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Sherrie Super Oct 27, 2008, 12:44am EDT
Hi Wombats,

Sorry it's been forever since I checked in. I've been a terrible slug for months and months now. Other than my not-so-new job, I've been doing nothing productive. Nothing. I've been eating too much ice cream, playing too many video games, and making cookies with my gradeschooler. And eating the cookies.

I felt terrible about this (being so unproductive), until I looked back on my goals for 2008. One of my top goals? Have more fun. Isn't that funny? The reason I HAD to list this as a goal was because throughout my whole life, I've tended to be a workaholic, and I wanted to balance things out a little. And boy oh boy, are they balanced now.

But geeze oh Pete, ENOUGH ALREADY! *Cracking myself with a whip* Hya! Hya!!! Back to work!

Anyway, sorry it's been so long. I hope you're all doing well.
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Sherrie Super Oct 27, 2008, 12:46am EDT
Throught-provoking article! It's funny how those pebbles add up, and you never know how the pebbles you toss out today might impact your life tomorrow. Very interesting.
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Paul Allen Leoncini Oct 27, 2008, 1:00am EDT
(((SHERRI))))
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Sherrie Super Oct 27, 2008, 1:03am EDT
Thanks for the warm welcome! I was just so relieved to find that you're still here. I was half-afraid you'd have moved to some new, exotic location while I was away. Selfishly, I'm so glad you didn't. Whew!

Each year, I set some one-year goals, and some five-year goals. Usually, I follow them religiously. This year, I wrote them down as usual, then promptly forgot/neglected them. About a month ago, feeling like a total slug, I pulled out my goals and took a look, preparing to find myself a total loser. But viola! The first goal was "Have more fun in 2008." Isn't that funny?

Sweet success. And all I had to do was be a total bum. Yippeeee!!!
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Sherrie Super Oct 27, 2008, 1:06am EDT
I feel guilty even asking, but what have I missed?

I just saw that Judi snagged a well deserved book deal. And it looks like Pat, the infamous author in denial, has finished her first novel? I bet I've missed a lot of other exciting stuff too. Dang!
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Paul Allen Leoncini Oct 27, 2008, 1:15am EDT
Nah! Just the usual banalties, Sherrie . Good to see you, after all.
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Sherrie Super Oct 27, 2008, 1:43am EDT
Good to see you too!
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 27, 2008, 1:57am EDT
Yeah, I don't actually have much to update you on either, oh, except that I have joined the ranks of Non-Working Americans, and I really love it!

Agent is still pushing the book, and I'm writing a new one. Rewrote some screenplay stuff for fun, not sure what I'm going to do with that.
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 27, 2008, 1:58am EDT
(I would have written back sooner but I was watching the season finale of MAD MEN)
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Sherrie Super Oct 27, 2008, 2:08am EDT
Mad Men...I saw the guy from Mad Men on SNL last night. Based on the spoofy SNL skit they had, it looks like a great show.

Non-working Americans, Lisa? No kidding!? Is that by choice, or by circumstance? Either way, what a wonderful opportunity to pursue your dreams. I'll be thinking of you, with more than a little envy, tomorrow when I experience the inevitable "case of the Mondays."

What's the saying... "The rate race is over. The rats have won."

I'll be interested to hear how the rest of the submission goes with book one, and how the writing of the second book goes.
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 27, 2008, 2:19am EDT
MAD MEN is fun. Great production design. Great looking men too! It's not a perfect show but I do enjoy it a lot.

Why I'm not working - looonggg story with a pretty happy ending, as far as I'm concerned. The agent is a gem. If this book doesn't sell, it's not going to be for lack of hard work on his part.

I'm writing something unrelated to the first book, but keeping it in the suspense-y genre. I'm about...50 pages in. Some major plot holes to fill! But I'm starting to feel like I'm getting a little ease back with my writing - that last book was really tough, and after years of writing after work, all that was getting kind of hard too. Now I'm actually writing while the sun is up again! Go figure...

You ready to get back on your writing horse?
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Sherrie Super Oct 27, 2008, 2:48am EDT
Wow, writing while the sun is up. That must be wonderful. It's so hard, otherwise, to find the time, isn't it? I'm glad you're happy with your agent. It sounds like a terrific fit, which bodes very well for a long-term partnership.

It also sounds like you're on the right track, working on a second book in the same genre, getting a momentum going. I'll be very interested to hear what you think of your book two, compared to your first book. I thought my second book (what I finished of it, hah!) was noticeably better than the first. But it's so hard to tell.

I'm definitely ready to get back on my writing horse. I'm thinking about joining in the November novel writing madness, but having a hard time deciding if I could do it and not utterly ignore the family. So hard to say. Hmmmm...
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Paul Allen Leoncini Oct 27, 2008, 3:04am EDT
Writing's alot easier with a good outline. Outline first, then the novel. Got it!
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 27, 2008, 3:05am EDT
Well, this won't be my second book, to be honest. I have a couple that live in drawers - they have their fans but aren't particularly commercial. And before that I wrote a ton of script stuff.

I think I have a lot more control this time out. My long projects tend to be of two types. One is, all the stuff that is concerning me, that may or may not be related, and I try to figure out a way to make it all fit. The other is more organic, more story-driven. The first type are are a bitch to write and odd. The second are more logical but maybe not as wildly creative. In a way, I think my novel in a drawer is a really good book - the story makes a lot of organic sense - its of the Type 2, but isn't terribly commercial because it doesn't fit neatly into a genre. I think I will call it "Steam Punk" because supposedly that is a genre. What the hell, why not? But I think I've gotten better at certain things, just technical stuff like prose, and dialog tags, and not having to come up with lame physical quirks to break up said dialog - the writing in the book that got me the agent is better, overall.

The novel that got me the agent is Type 1. I had a lot of stuff I was thinking about and obsessing about and said stuff didn't necessarily fit together in a natural way. It was just a bitch to write, and to make it make sense structurally.

I think this new book is type 2 (though as mentioned I am missing some major plot elements). I have a lot of the same concerns as I had in the previous book, but because I've already thoroughly masticated this stuff, it seems to be coming together in a more organic way. That's my hope, anyway.

If I weren't committed to doing this, I would NaNo! Why not, Sherrie? I think you'd bring it up to Lucky 13 Wombats, if you go for it!
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 27, 2008, 3:10am EDT
Oh, Tony Hillerman died. Sad news.

There's a great line in his obit: "His first agent advised him that if he wanted to get published, he would have to 'get rid of that Indian stuff.'"
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Paul Allen Leoncini Oct 27, 2008, 3:24am EDT
Thanks for the link.
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Jules ~ Oct 27, 2008, 7:31am EDT
Good morning, all!

Sia!!!! I love your pebble analogy. Drop me in the middle, baby! ;)

Right now, I have a mentor and am attempting to improve my writing skills and learn the market with short stories, sending them out after my mentor (a published writer and former literary editor) makes her suggestions, etc. And I've invested in a few cases of 'butt glue' in preparation for Nanowrimo. Gotta stick that butt to the chair and write if one wants to be a writer, yes? :)

My pebbles:

1. Write.
2. Improve.
3. Re-write.
4. Learn the market.
5. Send my babies out into the bad, bad world.
6. Repeat process, starting at #1. :)
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Jill Lynn A. Oct 27, 2008, 8:10am EDT
Happy belated birthday, James.
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Jamie C. Oct 27, 2008, 9:03am EDT
Yay, it's Sherrie! We've missed you, girl!

And there's Jules too.

This almost makes Monday a good day. Almost...

Have the best Monday possible, 'bats.
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Pat S. Oct 27, 2008, 9:23am EDT
SHERRIE!!!! Welcome back!!! You know, there's still time to warm up those writing muscles by putting something together for Vivian's Phamtasmagoria contest! We love fresh meat!

In the truth-is-stranger-than-fiction category, just two days ago I found your MS languishing in my inbox, and bumped it up as a reminder to read it! And suddenly, there you are! YAY!!!

Julie, glad to see you, too! Sounds like you are totally on track!

If you haven't read John's humor Monday, you should. Very funny stuff. Off to read Pat B.'s stuff now.

And yes Sherrie, before I forget, I finished my first novel (a gothic romance), and am about to launch into my second one on Saturday. I haven't actually done anything with the first one, such as query or anything, but I'm tinkering with the idea of doing that.

Gina also got a publishing contract with Kensington, Wendy and Pat B are publishing their First Chapters novels through a young start up called Second Wind, and Lisa found an agent who loves her stuff. The rest of us just keep plugging away.

May we all follow Sherrie's advice, and have fun today!
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 27, 2008, 10:09am EDT
Good morning everyone. Hope Monday isn't beating you up, lolol!

Julie, sounds like a good plan. I think I have a similar list...

(((SHERRIE))) it was so good to see you. All things considered, you have accomplished your goal of having fun and I'm sure the family has enjoyed that. LOLOL, It's hard to imagine having to list *having fun* as a yearly goal. But I can see the feeling of satisfaction when you've accomplished the goal. I think the NaNo would certainly put you back on your writing horse.

Lisa, I always enjoy reading your more in depth comments. I see improvement in my writing in so far as maturity, word choices, tags, and flow. I like the way you define the types. Incorporating things we obsess about or think about, issues that mean something to us and the organic. I would think a combination of both would make a great story. I can definitely see where the type one would be harder to implement.

Paul, thank you. You're so right because we do have to continue to write things creatively. A balancing act between doing the stuff that put here to begin with and dropping our pebbles so we can get recognized for our efforts.

Validation? No. I write for two reasons; one it's an adventure I go on first, two, I want readers to go on the adventure with me. I want to entertain them. I can't do that unless the MS gets out of the drawer (or off the computer) and sent out and published.
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Ken C. Oct 27, 2008, 10:12am EDT
I went through a TH phase; I bought and enjoyed many of his books. RIP Leaphorn and Chee.
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 27, 2008, 10:13am EDT
Morning Pat. I think your new story is going to be a good one. I like the premise. I love the pattern you're basing your hero on, yum.

Hope Monday zooms for you Jamie.
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Vivian A. Oct 27, 2008, 10:18am EDT
Drive by alert- FRESH MEAT! New entries for your perusal folks.
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 27, 2008, 10:35am EDT
(((Selene))) Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the article. Thanks for stopping by sweetie, I appreciate it. Well, you're writer and I'm glad to hear you have your share of pebbles, lolol! No doubt, having seen a few of your story excerpts, you are definitely polishing them as well.
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 27, 2008, 11:04am EDT
Of course and you have a few that just sparkle. :-)
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Catherine M. Oct 27, 2008, 11:08am EDT
Hi, guys. I've climbed up to the edge of the world and am peeking over. I can see a couple of things - Judi's book has cover art! Yay for Judi, her book, and the art! Lisa's still queen! Yay for Lisa! Politics is being discussed politely here! Yay for respect and friendship!

Good article, Sia. My pebbles are all dropping into newspapers in the form of letters to editors, and into congressional offices in the form of letters to senators and representatives. I'm completely immersed in politics for the next few days - volunteering for the Obama campaign. It's pretty fascinating work. As usual, of course, a large part of my job has become feeding other volunteers. Why do I always end up with the food? (They like sandwiches, veggies, and candy. It's not too tough...)

It's been the weirdest year yet - helping my oldest daughter cope with the loss of her dad, my first husband; watching as my home town of Cedar Rapids, Iowa turned into a mini-Katrina; hanging on for dear life as the political season has turned into a wild ride.

Next year, I intend to write real stuff again.

I hope you're all well. I've thought of you often, but I've had so little time that I've simply avoided forums and what-not. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel now, though. Or maybe the better analogy is that I'm pulling myself back up into the world, one hand at a time. I'll be here soon.

Oh, and Lisa, I'm mourning Tony Hillerman, too. He was one of my favorite writers, Indian stuff and all...

Cathy
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Catherine M. Oct 27, 2008, 11:21am EDT
Um, Ken? I've been away for a while and Gather has changed a bit - but what's up with the time tag on your post? It's almost an hour earlier than the time tag on mine...

Yes. Leaphorn and Chee. Dang, those were fantastic characters. I hate that there won't be any new adventures for them.

Cathy
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 27, 2008, 11:58am EDT
(((Cathy))) Wow, it's great to see you. I've thought of you frequently and wondered how you were faring. I'm so glad you checked in. I hope your daughter is doing well. It was hard to lose my dad--many years after I left home, but still missed. Course, I don't think there is any age that is unaffected by the loss of a parent.

Writing is writing, Cathy. I do a lot of writing and not all of it's creative, lol! Sounds like you're very busy. This week will a crazy one with the last minute gear up for the candidates stumping for votes. Looking forward to seeing more of you when life calms down...
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