Lawsuit Against Obama Dismissed from Philadelphia Federal Court

Another non issue hits the dust.

On the contrary, its only going to blow up. Appeal to higher courts means higher profile case.

This is an odd story to say the least

Lera,

Nothing is so hopeless as attempting to bring reason to someone who has had their mind poisoned by false information as you are demonstrating in this post. It has been well established that Obama is a natural born US citizen and fully eligible to run for the presidency. This suit deserved to be thrown out and the initiators of such a frivolous suit should be forced to pay the court costs.

Were Obama ineligible to run, don't you suppose that the Republican party would have unearthed that fact long ago, as soon as he was perceived as a threat? That they did not is a pretty good indication that it is malarkey and the lawsuit is frivolous.

As I've said before, there are valid issues to discuss which separate the two candidates quite strongly and these should be the effort of those who oppose Obama. Not the last minute Rovian smears from the internet which are blatant lies. The link has been posted to actually see the documents with close ups showing the raised seal, which authenticate Obama's birth if only you'd care to see them.

I respect you opinions but these are not opinions of yours, they are simply trash from the internet and unworthy of you!

I agree that this is a non issue. I think people just need to use their common sense here. What could possibly be gained from putting a man into the seat as the leader of our country who is no eligible to do so? What would be the motivation by those supporting him? This isn't a seat that one can have forever. I mean if you hear the repubs stance it will all be over in less than four years. It's just a lot of silly conspiracy theory nonsense - albeit entertaining for its absurdity - still nonsense.

David,

Appreciate your response! I'm afraid that we must, absolutely must, make assumptions in order to function in this old world. And assumptions based on logical facts are worth more than all the conspiracy theories you can imagine.

You make assumptions every day. If you're driving, you assume that the car coming toward you on the road will remain in his own lane. Occasionally he does not but not assuming that he would do so is the only thing making it possible for you to travel. If you are riding as a passenger on a bus or plane, you must assume that the people flying the airplane or driving the bus want to get there alive and are not suicidal terrorists!

And what I've said and reiterated over many post comments is as logical a function as there is. If you are truly hell bent on confusing the issue to cast about aimlessly for something that is almost non-existent, you will confuse the issue all right. What you will not do is change the facts.

I would point out again that there is no clause in our constitution that the president even have a birth certificate. Only that he be a natural born citizen. If the electing citizens choose to accept the very logical argument that a man's certificate of live birth is authentic, and elect the man, the people have made their choice in good faith. Would you deny them the right to do that?

Jame, you represent your interests in articles and I'll represent mine. Ninety-three views already, James. Someone is looking.

Thank you very much.

Yeah, I'm looking.. and laughing my head off at the sheer idiocy of anyone still claiming he's not a natural-born citizen.

If the CIA, FBI, Secret Service and other Federal organizations didn't find anything wrong with his candidacy, what makes you think anyone who tries it now is playing with a full deck?

Nothing but an attempt at distraction. So far, the most adamant 'birthers' are those from the South:
“We of the South have never recognized the right of the negro to govern
white men, and we never will. We have never believed him to be the equal of the white man."

Did they really investigate him? I don't think so.

And people are really getting tired of that same old bullshit of being called a racist if we don't agree with evrything this president says.

I think you need to wake up because none of that is true. I have posted copies of his birth certificate on this very site so much for it being sealed.

Furthermore the man has two or three memoirs of his life in print for everyone to see. I dont' think there is anything out there that if one wanted to know could not find. The point of the matter is the man is eligible. Let it go and if you don't like him or his policies for whatever the reason don't vote for him next election.

My, you do seem so naive, Jennifer. Of course he wouldn't lie if he wrote it in a book. lol

Jennifer, no one has seen his actual birth certificate. Just a certificate of live birth which it seems that Hawaii was giving out to almost anyone in 1961.

Without the Judge doing his appointed task, this has left the case most likely to a very corrupt Congress to find the answer. If indeed the truth is that Obama is not a Natural born citizen, the chances that we will know will now be safely avoided. This is much like when Clinton first ran, getting an illegal waiver to run for Presiden, putting a temporary stay on his trial for something like 25 feloney counts.
So I guess now we might just as well let anyone run for president, hell we could have Ted Bundy run for office next term.

What'd I tell ya? Another Southerner...

I'm from the midwest. What you got to say now? And I use to be married to a black man. So what?

Hi.

There are approximately 12 people who have legitimate standing to challenge Obama's eligibility: McCain and the candidates running on independent tickets. They are the only ones that can prove direct harm from Obama's candidacy, and therefore they would be the only ones with a legitimate interest in Obama being removed from the Democratic ticket.

The judge's ruling is correct, because without being able to prove direct harm it would open the door for anyone at any time to sue any candidate. McCain could be forced to defend charges in every state of the union, as could Obama. If someone decided that they thought Sarah Palin was actually born in Canada, for example, they could sue her and force her to answer in court. Allowing this suit, and the ones against McCain, would have opened the door to millions of dollars in frivolous lawsuits by every wackjob that wanted to cause trouble.

Dan,

The judge did his appointed task. The constitution never grants to the courts the decision on the qualifications of candidates. However, if there was legitimate doubt about Obama's being a natural born citizen, do you no think the Republican party would have unearthed and displayed that matter as soon as Obama was perceived as a threat? The house of representatives has the authority elect a president if there is not a clear choice. The only time a court enters the picture was when the SCOTUS decided to elect Bush II. they actually overstepped their authority and usurped the authority of the house of representatives, but no representatives complained as they didn't want that task!

The link has been offered on several threads, to the site showing the original birth certificate together with enlargements of the raised seal and anything else you might desire. For God's sake, if he was not born is Hawaii, where do you think he was born?

This is being dumped on the internet at the last moment in hopes that it will damage Obama without giving him an opportunity to prove otherwise, even though he has released his birth certificate much earlier in the campaign. It is further hoped that persons who dislike Obama will accept and circulate these lies without checking them out in any way. And to some extent, that hope is being realized.

Julie Ann,

Excellent explanation and much better than mine!

I agree excellent explanation. Don't know if it will do much in the long run.

Common sense prevails.

My thoughts exactly.

All that drama for nothing ???

The interesting thing to me is that no matter how many courts find against Berg, he'll have supporters. It's like Joe McCarthy. Any conspiracy theory gains eternal life if it gets a certain minimum amount of exposure.

Good for you James! I love it!

This question of Obama's birth certificate is just another spoon fed lie by the Republican Party to any takers, who are silly enough to eat it! It is simply another way to divert people from the real issues! Pure foolishness!

James, no more than they did when Clintonfirst ran, which was by law illegal.
This country is going down and fast from the inside. Our politicians have sold out this country.

OK Dan, I'll bite! Just why was it claimed, and by who, that it was illegal for Clinton to run the first time?

James, he was being tried for 25 felonies. Until he was cleared of guiilt, by law he could not run. THe Judge trying the case gave him a wavier to run, hich he could not by law do. Clinton then was cleared after winning the election.
It does not matter wether he was guilty or not, until he was cleared, he could not run for office.

Dan,

Twenty five felonies and you really believe that?

I remember the case. He was being charged with land scams, embezzlement of state funds, embezzlement of Corperate funds, Financial scams, a whole list of them, somewhere around 25 counts. From his days with the law firm, to his term in Office of State Governor. He could not run, then the judge gave him a wavier, and he finished his case after becoming President. Check out White Water, that is what it was called. It is also why he got the nick of "Slick Willie" because of his history.

good riddance of a publicity stunt

Well we have our system and although it does not work perfectly all the time there aren't many around that work as well.
Berg took a shot at this windmill, and lost.

Dan E.,

We definitely agree on the system and its working!

Lera,

You posts do attract a large number of viewers! And on that, I congratulate you.

They only attract because people are drawn to these preposterous allegations like rubberneckers are when they witness an accident on the freeway.

Thank you, James. I thought that some people might have an interest in seeing the decision that was given. I didn't see where anyone else had posted it.

Dan E., from what I understand Berg is going to take it to the Supreme Court. He is suppose to have in his possession an audio tape of Obama's grandmother in Kenya saying that she was present at his birth in Kenya. She doesn't speak English and he's having it translated.

Getting lots of points aren't you? Clever.

Thanks Lera,
If they find out after the fact that Obama is not elligible to be President I don't think I would be soothed much by a Joe Biden Presidency.
But I say go for it Berg!

Peter, you got it right. Drama. These people live and breathe drama. They don't feel alive unless it's full of this type of thing.

This is good news!

Obama/Biden

Whats next from the Neo-nuts

I could be wrong, but I do admit that it does't really matter. Even if he was born in Kenya, as long as his mother was an American, he can still be American. I wish it were different he couldn't be an American President. Actually if I am remembering that John McCain was born in the Panama Canal. I served in Panama and which my children were not, but if they had been there in Panama instead at Fort Bragg, NC, they still would have been Americans and be President if they were also, several years from now.

well my wife and I voted yesterday for John McCain. McCain might lose the election but at least I cancelled 2 votes for Obama!

Another conspiracy theory down the pot. Where's Joe the Plumber when you need him?

Actually no it is not. It is based on fact, and although could be wrongly interpratated, has yet to be addressed, thus it is being pushed under the rug without verification. Standard Democratic/liberal treatment, deny it, and it will go away.
This needs addressed, not buried. At least Bush and Kerry faced their accusers and showed the facts. It killed Kerry, because it proved him wrong, and with Bush it supported him, so the left had to create more stories about it.
This has a number of valid issues that needs addressed. But like always, the Democrats will protect the illegal. If Obama is not illegal, then he should face his accusers instead of hiding from them.

I knew this crack pot suit would go no where. Sad that so many on the right actually thought that someone who was back grounded by the Feds as a US Senate member and candidate for president would not have been checked for citizenship. Now that's paranoia and conspiracy theory 101.

If Obama can not prove he was born in the U.S.A., or some such, then he has no right to the presidency. If he still becomes president I predict some major chaos. Of course if he is allowed to be president when he is not eligible we might as well elect a anyone (even enemies of the U.S.A.). If we can't question this then who can or will? This is disturbing, and just one more reason in my mind to vote McCain.

We do see eye to eye on this, Jeff. I don't think we can allow the constitution to be trampled on like this. He mentions in one of his books that he was going through some old papers and mentions his birth certificate being there. So why doesn't he just show it?

Robert S. it doesn't matter if his mother is a citizen of this country. You'd have to look at Sue B.s articles to find out exactly the reason but it has something to do with Obama's mother only being 18 when she gave birth and she had to be 19 back then. THe law has since been changed but it was in effect in 1961.

"we might as well elect a anyone (even enemies of the U.S.A.)."

Exactly! Thank you, John Proctor!

Robert, if you've read any of what's been going on, the suit claims that when he left the country to study he had to claim that he was a citizen of that country and a Muslim (on his enrollment). If he disavowed his citizenship here to take one there (the country did not allowdual citizenship) then he was no longer a citizen when he came back. He would have had to apply and would no longer have been eligible for the Presidency. I'm not saying it's true or not, but that's what the case alleges.

Of course it's also said that his birth certificate is forged.

What experts are claiming that Obama has a forged? FBI? CIA? Secret Service? Even if Obama hand delivered his birth certificate to the RNC folks would say that the RNC is part of some plot or conspiracy theory.

"Of course if he is allowed to be president when he is not eligible we might as well elect a anyone (even enemies of the U.S.A.)."

The current president has proved himself to be an enemy of the U. S. A. He's a natural born citizen.

Jeff,

Like someone above mentioned, Obama did not have to be born in Hawaii, just born of an American parent! Who is challenging the birth of Obama's mother?

I have no idea of what Berg's motive in this might be but it is clear that he doesn't want Obama to be president for some reason. And a last minute swiftboat attack would probably way some voters so he will carry on regardless.

Just what would it take to convince you of Obama's legitimacy, or can it be done? Do you really think the RNC would have let this ride for all this time if there was a legitimate question? And just who has determined that the documents shown are false, and based on what? And what is their qualifications for making such a statement?

I'm also sure that you will see a conspiracy in this effort to elect Obama. Who do you think is behind this? And why? Why would backers of Obama have to gain by damning the birth certificate when the mother was American? Please Jeff, recognize this for what it is, an eleventh hour effort to confuse some voters and sway the election.

Thanks God this will all be over in a few more days! Regardless who wins.

James, her age was under the legal acceptance, which meant the law did not apply to Obama. Then look at his status for many years, he went to school on a non-citizen classification, he traveld under a Indoneasian Passport, and there is even a recording of him saying he could not run for Office because he was not eligible.
These are all issues that needed to be legally addressed before he took office, his documentr that he posted on the internet was a doctored image, and experts have documented it; it was a fake, not even on the right year stock.
This needs addressed to varify if he was even eligible to have run. With the way he is dodging it, and the money being spent on blocking it, I will bet he is illegally in office.

Dan,

You are too intelligent and capable a person to be sucked in by this line! Where on earth did you come up with these figures? And just who were the "experts" who determined that a forgery? These things get started and since they appeal to something in the basic ideology of a person they become drawn into it from a purely emotional basis when they honestly know there is no basis in fact.

And if Obama has spent millions defending the lawsuit, (which makes no sense at all), why would he allow "experts" to examine and test the document? And how did he get the authorities of Hawaii to confirm the validity of the document? In fact, as a newborn, how did he convince the correct and necessary people to go along with such a conspiracy?

As I've pointed out before, there is no clause in the constitution requiring the president to even have a birth certificate. Only to be a "natural born citizen" with no definition. In truth, the matter of citizenship was settled as it should have been, by the people of this nation by electing them. The people must be the ultimate judges of this matter and they have spoken even though some don't like what they said.

"The current president has proved himself to be an enemy of the U. S. A. He's a natural born citizen." - Nippy Katz (not his real name) Patriotic Troll of Gather Freedom

Well your an interesting one.... you love to twist words don't you???

It's always a pain, but then again it just shows that you have nothing better to argue.

All this proves to me is that some one again was paid off

The lawsuit was a loser from the day it was filed.

Ya'll do realize this isn't the only lawsuit against Obama asking for his birth certificate right?

look below.

http://peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/Lawsuits/National_Press_Release_08_10_22.htm

"Well your an interesting one.... you love to twist words don't you???"

Not really. George W Bush has shown himself to be an enemy of the US in a variety of ways. The war in Iraq, the Patriot Act, his hand picked attorneys general, and a host of others. How any sane person could view his actions as president as anything but those of an enemy of the US is beyond me.

Oh wait, he could just be a dupe of enemies of the US.

"Not really. George W Bush has shown himself to be an enemy of the US in a variety of ways. The war in Iraq, the Patriot Act, his hand picked attorneys general, and a host of others. How any sane person could view his actions as president as anything but those of an enemy of the US is beyond me.

Oh wait, he could just be a dupe of enemies of the US."

Because you may not be thinking of the whole picture. and I'd love to see anyone else be so sure that they could do better. Truly you don't know what the other candidates could have done better or worse. I accept things the way they have been done and realize that complaining about things so long since done is useless.

http://peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/Lawsuits/
National_Press_Release_08_10_22.htm

No, I believe that Bush had obvious choices in the cases I cited and chose the un-American alternative in each. John, you don't get it. I really do thint that Bush is an enemy of the US. I don't think he made honest mistakes. I think he made those choices with a good idea of the outcome. I don't think he believes he made mistakes.

Barack Obama DID submit his birth certificate. For God's sake, you can view it on the internet! Does anyone here think that the first three, primary qualifications for running for president of the United States have not been thoroughly examined, x-rayed, and lip-smacked to death? Berg has spent a lot of time, and a LOT of money (including the taxpayer's money) in trying to de-fame Senator Obama. Give it a rest.

I am not voting Obama. But still I find this pretty much ludicrous. Somewhere back in the comments someone said that if Mr. Obama wasn't eligible to serve as president - the Republican Party would have found the proof they needed and everyone would know. I agree. There's so much lies and half-truths coming out of BOTH camps. Ultimately, as usual, it's the people of this country who end up having to shovel through the crap.

Let's vote and be done with it.

Lera,
"Jame, you represent your interests in articles and I'll represent mine. Ninety-three views already, James. Someone is looking."

Yeah, kind of like driving by a car wreck. You don't really want to look, but you can't help it. I'm not here because I think you have anything substsntial to say. I'm here to pint out to people what an embarassing nutwad you are for believing this tripe could be even remotely true.

This case will go no further because it is a big giant assed nothing. What you seem to not undertsand is that to main stream folks you have NO credibility. Just because you attract a smattering of zit popping freakazoids living in their mom's basement doesn't mean you've struck a nerve or anything of the like. All you've accomplished is showing the world what a fool you truly are.

John McCain and Sarah Palin both claim to be "born again".

Were they "born again" to American citizens? Why will no one answer this vital question?

This non-issue stands right up there, front and center, with ASHLEY, the McCain/Palin election worker, and confirmed NUTCASE who is NOW UNDER ARREST in Philadelphia for her self-admitted lies about being attacked by a 6'4" black guy who carveed a "B" (for Barack, so McCain's folks told us).

There was a clue that this doody headed girl was indeed "clueless" when it turns out the "B" on her cheek was lightly scratched in BACKWARDS as though she had done it to herself in the mirror.

The PROBLEM is, that yes there are electronic copies but the fact that he apparently chooses to refuse to show the physical copy to the courts brings up HUGE questions about why not? In todays day and age it should be EASY to disprove these charges quickly. Why then is he not ? U.S. birth is required by law for a candidate to be president. So why do you all who are for him not care if he is lying to everyone?

Why are you not worried? This is critical, he as much as anyone has to obey the laws we have set forth, especially if he is to be President of the U.S.A.

Whats wrong with you?

The PROBLEM is that people are citing forensic evidence that only exists in the minds on anonymous bloggers. The PROBLEM is that the only "evidence" people ever had was Berg's own press releases.

I've said it a billion times, but I will say it again...in baby steps...for the willfully ignorant.

1. The State of Hawaii issued a legal birth certificate.
2. Forging a birth certificate is a criminal, not civil, offense.
3. If Obama forged a birth certificate and posted it, that would be a criminal, not civil, offense.
4. As a criminal offense, the State of Hawaii would have immediately filed criminal charges of forgery.
5. The State of Hawaii KNOWS the certificate is posted, as they get a dozen e-mails a day from wingnuts asking about it.
6. Therefore to follow the logic, as the State of Hawaii has not filed criminal charges against Obama, one either must assume
A. the birth certificate is legitimate
B. The State of Hawaii is in on the fraud

then is he not ?

I already answered this twelve times on Gather, and in this thread as well.

In the U.S., it is the role of the plaintiff to prove his case. It is not the role of the defendent to prove he is innocent. Would you like to set THAT precident? Instead of prosecutors having to prove you committed a crime, you have to prove you did not?

Maybe I should sue you for stealing $5,000 from my purse. I have bloggers who state that your mom's cousin's sister talked to your neighbor who said you did it. Now prove you didn't.

Is THAT the kind of court system we want?

LOL nice, .... Ok, I agree that would not be good, but I still don't trust someone who wouldn't prove the accusations wrong right away.

It makes him look like he has something to hide.

The fact that John P. did not prove his sanity to me last week is proof he has something to hide.

"The fact that John P. did not prove his sanity to me last week is proof he has something to hide." - Sandy Knauer

And when have I ever talked to you madam?? You seem like the type of person that would be easy to remember.

Plus I never said it was proof madam. I believe it was "It makes him look like he has something to hide" There is a good difference.

Of course if he did satisfy the lawsuits he would technically remove all doubt, and we conservatives would not be able to use this accusation(even if we shouldn't be able to already).

Of course if he did satisfy the lawsuits he would technically remove all doubt, and we conservatives would not be able to use this accusation(even if we shouldn't be able to already).

No, you would just move on to the NEXT LIE. Maybe the Obamas aren't legally married. Why haven't they produced their wedding license? Maybe those girls aren't really Barack's. WHERE ARE THE PATERNITY TESTS!? It just goes on and on.

Where's your proof David?

I keep seeing those figures tossed around, but I haven't seen one verifiable source.

Sounds like more frightwing bullshit to me.

In any case, you lose, and you lose again.

I was afraid that when Dunn's husband became part of Judge Clark's staff, that he would make sure this was stopped. It stand to reason why their is rulingfs on blocking certain people from specific jobs due to invested interests. This violated it, and now we see how Obama is working again. Keeping any legal information on his history from the public eye. So if he is as innocent as the left swears he is, then why all the covering of his past, and effort to keep it out of the courts?