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by Patti W.
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September 8, 2006

Obama & DNC Admit All Allegations of Federal Court Lawsuit - Obama’s “Not” Qualified to be President

October 23, 2008 01:10 PM EDT
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Obama Should Immediately Withdraw his Candidacy for President

For Immediate Release: - 10/21/08 - Complete contact details and pdfs of this press release and motions filed by plaintiff Berg today are at the end of this article

(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania - 10/21/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama's lack of "qualifications" to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and tbe DNC "ADMITTED", by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit. Obama is "NOT QUALIFIED" to be President and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

Berg stated that he filed Requests for Admissions on September 15, 2008 with a response by way of answer or objection had to be served within thirty [30] days. No response to the Requests for Admissions was served by way of response or objection. Thus, all of the Admissions directed to Obama and the DNC are deemed "ADMITTED." Therefore, Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President.

OBAMA - Admitted: 

1. I was born in Kenya. 

2. I am a Kenya "natural born" citizen. 

3. My foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii. 

4. My father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. admitted Paternity of me. 

5. My mother gave birth to me in Mombosa, Kenya. 

6. My mother's maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham. 

7. The COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website "Fightthesmears.com" is a forgery. 

8. I was adopted by a Foreign Citizen. 

9. I was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia. 

10. I was not born in Hawaii. 

11. I was not born at the Queens Medical Center in Hawaii. 

12. I was not born at Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Hawaii. 

13. I was not born in a Hospital in Hawaii. 

14. I am a citizen of Indonesia. 

15. I never took the "Oath of Allegiance" to regain my U.S. Citizenship status. 

16. I am not a "natural born" United States citizen. 

17. My date of birth is August 4, 1961. 

18. I traveled to Pakistan in 1981 with my Pakistan friends. 

19. In 1981, I went to Indonesia on my way to Pakistan. 

20. Pakistan was a no travel zone in 1981 for American Citizens. 

21. In 1981, Pakistan was not allowing American Citizens to enter their country. 

22. I traveled on my Indonesian Passport to Pakistan. 

23. I renewed my Indonesian Passport on my way to Pakistan. 

24. My senior campaign staff is aware I am not a "natural born" United States Citizen. 

25. I am proud of my Kenya Heritage. 

26. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name. 

27. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name. 

28. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth. 

29. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name. 

30. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name. 

31. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth. 

32. The document identified as my Indonesian School record from Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia is genuine. 

33. I went to a Judge in Hawaii to have my name changed. 

34. I went to a Senator and/or Congressman or other public official in Hawaii to have my name changed. 

35. I had a passport issued to me from the Government of Indonesia. 

36. The United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a "natural born" United States citizen. 

37. I am ineligible pursuant to the United States Constitution to serve as President and/or Vice President of the United States. 

38. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Indonesia.

39. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Kenya. 

40. I am an Attorney who specializes in Constitutional Law. 

41. Kenya was a part of the British Colonies at the time of my birth. 

42. Kenya did not become its own Republic until 1963.

43. I am not a "Naturalized" United States Citizen. 

44. I obtained $200 Million dollars in campaign funds by fraudulent means. 

45. I cannot produce a "vault" (original) long version of a birth certificate showing my birth in Hawaii. 

46. My "vault" (original) long version birth certificate shows my birth in Kenya.

47. The only times I was to a Hospital in Hawaii was for check-ups or medical treatments for illnesses. 

48. Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.

49. Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me. 

50. I was born in the Coast Province Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. 

51. I represented on my State Bar application in Illinois that I never used any other name other than Barack Hussein Obama. 

52. I went by the name Barry Soetoro in Indonesia. 

53. My Indonesian school records are under the name of Barry Soetoro. 

54. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when admitted to the State Bar of Illinois to practice Law. 

55. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when I was Sworn into my United States Senate Office. 

56. I hold dual citizenship with at least one other Country besides the United States of America.

DNC - Admitted: 

1. The DNC nominated Barrack Hussein Obama as the Democratic Nominee for President. 

2. The DNC has not vetted Barrack Hussein Obama. 

3. The DNC did not have a background check performed on Barrack Hussein Obama. 

4.The DNC did not verify Barrack Hussein Obama's eligibility to serve as President of the United States. 

5. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya.

6. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama is not a "natural born" United States citizen.

7. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was not born in Hawaii. 

8.The DNC admits they have not inquired into Barrack Hussein Obama's citizenship status.

9. The DNC admits they have a duty to properly vette the Democratic Nominee for President. 

10.The DNC admits Lolo Soetoro, M.A., an Indonesian citizen adopted Barrack Hussein Obama.

11. The DNC admits the Credentials Committee has been aware of this lawsuit since August 22, 2008 as the lawsuit was faxed to our Washington D.C. Office on August 22, 2008.

12. The DNC admits their Credentials Committee failed to verify and/or inquire into the credentials of Barack Hussein Obama to serve as the President of the United States. 

13. The DNC admits their Credential Committee's Report failed to address the issues of Barack Hussein Obama's ineligibility to serve as President of the United States. 

14.The DNC admits Howard Dean, Chair Person has and had knowledge Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya and ineligible to serve as the President of the United States. 

15. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all Democratic citizens of the United States have been personally injured as a result of not having a qualified Democratic Presidential Nominee to cast their votes upon. 

16. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional Right to vote for the President of the United States and to have two (2) qualified candidates of which to choose from. 

17. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional right to have a properly vetted Democratic Presidential Nominee of which to cast their vote.

18. The DNC admits an FBI background check is not performed on the Presidential or Vice Presidential Candidates. 

19. The DNC admits the United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a "natural born" United States citizen.

20. The DNC admits they collected donations on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama for his Presidential campaign.

21. The DNC admits Plaintiff and Democratic citizens donated money based on false representations that Barack Hussein Obama was qualified to serve as the President of the United States. 

22. The DNC admits if Barack Hussein Obama is elected as President and allowed to serve as President of the United States in violation of  our Constitution, it will create a Constitutional crisis.

23. The DNC admits Barack Hussein Obama took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution. 

24. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a "natural born" citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff's rights to due process of law in violation of the United States Constitution.

25. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a "natural born" citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff's rights to Equal Protection of the laws in violation of the United States Constitution.

26. The DNC admits the function of the DNC is to secure a Democratic Presidential Candidate who will protect Democratic citizen's interests, fight for their equal opportunities and fight for justice for all Americans. 

27. The DNC admits the Democratic National Committee has been promoting Barack Hussein Obama's Presidential election knowing he was ineligible to serve as President of the United States.

 

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Comments: 159

جيرسي جو Oct 23, 2008, 1:37pm EDT
Only an utter idiot would post such crap.
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Mary Ann S. Oct 23, 2008, 1:40pm EDT
If either parent is a U.S. citizen, the child is a U.S. citizen.

This is not an issue. FORGET IT.
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paula M. Oct 23, 2008, 1:55pm EDT
Then why were the democrats so against Mccain because he was born abroad while parents were in service? Both of his parents were U.S. Citizins but that didn't matter to some. About Obama: If he was born in Kenya, and his parents were Legally Married [which on the Preponderance of Evidence they were, his father's first "Marriage" being a Tribal, or Village, Marriage, which was not Legally Recognized] due to the age of his mother he would NOT have been a US Citizen. The Immigration and Nationality Act 1952, 8 U.S.C. 1401. Sec. 301 (g) [Effective November 14, 1986] does not apply, nor does Title III, Immigration and Nationality Act Section 309. [8 U.S.C. 1409].

Unless he has taken the Oath of Allegiance as a Naturalized Citizen since he was 18 years old, and if he was born in Mombasa, Kenya, Barack Hussein Obama II would not be a US Citizen, period. The issue of whether or not he was Natural Born under Article II of the Constitution of the United States would cease to matter and he would need to be Deported as an Illegal Alien. There is more about this at http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/if-you-are-a-natural-us-born-citizen-what-are-you-hiding-barack-obama/
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Devin Barber Oct 23, 2008, 2:44pm EDT
"Complete contact details and pdfs of this press release and motions filed by plaintiff Berg today are at the end of this article"

Really? Where?

Berg is an unhinged nut case. Anyone who would take him or his insane shananagins seriously needs a CAT scan.
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Julie Ann Dawson Oct 23, 2008, 2:47pm EDT
Then why were the democrats so against Mccain because he was born abroad while parents were in service?

Actually, when the crap about McCain began to surface, the U.S. Senate actually voted to confirm he was eligible to vote. It was unanimous.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050103224_pf.html
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Oct 23, 2008, 2:50pm EDT
I call for you to immediately remove yourself from Gather! You are not qualified to publish sensible content.
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Julie Ann Dawson Oct 23, 2008, 2:51pm EDT
Patti--

You have demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are an idiot. Did you actually READ what the press release says? Berg claims that since Obama did not fill out the questionaire, then he is admitting the statements are true by default. That is not how the U.S. courts work. it NEVER HAS BEEN. It is the job of the plaintiff to "prove" his case, not for the defendent to disprove.
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Devin Barber Oct 23, 2008, 2:52pm EDT
John McCain was born in the Panama Canal zone, a US military reservation. But it makes no difference because at least one of his parents was a US citizen who had lived within the borders of the US the prescribed amount of time. Barack Obama was born in the State of Hawaii. I am not opposed to McCain because I think he's not a citizen because I know he is. I dismissed that nonsense as quickly as I dismissed this Berg nonsense.

Patti,
These are facts that are not disputed in any reasonable circles. Do you really think that if there was anything to this, the Republican dominated Federal courts would be allowing his campaign to go this far. Seriously, both candidates are natural born citizens and this faux issue is of zero importance.

Now I'm sorry I wasted my time on such idiocy...
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Jennifer R. Oct 23, 2008, 2:54pm EDT
Good grief Gertie...how did this man ever pass the bar exam. Now Patti you be sure to come back and let us know if Obama does what Berg says he should....
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William Dotani Oct 23, 2008, 3:01pm EDT
What a load of manure. I voted almost solidly GOP in all elections until 1996. I will never vote GOP again until they stop these disgraceful divisive smears which hurt our country and in my opinion is what our enemies in this world want to hear. The GOP is wallowing in filth. This and their efforts at voter suppression prove it. I think many in the GOP are unpatriotic!!!
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Lisa C. Oct 23, 2008, 3:03pm EDT
Good grief is right..............
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Nippy Katz (not his real name) Patriotic Troll of Gather Freedom Oct 23, 2008, 3:05pm EDT
I'm trying to figure out how a press release containing legal minutiae is worth reproducing in its entirety. These are documents that may be required procedurally in Berg's suit but don't mean much in the context of the "question" of Obama's citizenship.
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Elaine B. Oct 23, 2008, 3:11pm EDT
This is a bunch of bull crap. But I'm not surprise what people will do to distroy this man.

Obam/Biden
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Elaine B. Oct 23, 2008, 3:16pm EDT
This guy Berg sounds mentally ill. I don't understand folks who believe a nut like him.
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Julie Ann Dawson Oct 23, 2008, 3:23pm EDT
I meant to run for office in my above post, not vote.

Gather should allow editing of comments!
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David S. Oct 23, 2008, 3:24pm EDT
Whatever the truth of this lawsuit it the law does state that you must be born in the United States to be eligible to be President of the United States. I don't know anything about these allegations, but if there is merit to that one issue, then it is something to look at.
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Julie Ann Dawson Oct 23, 2008, 3:25pm EDT
I'm trying to figure out how a press release containing legal minutiae is worth reproducing in its entirety. These are documents that may be required procedurally in Berg's suit but don't mean much in the context of the "question" of Obama's citizenship.
Berg is arguing since Obama refused to admit to the charges, then he has admitted to the charges. Rather circular logic...or lack thereof.
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David S. Oct 23, 2008, 3:26pm EDT
Of course, I do think the guy is a bit crazy!
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Jane C. Oct 23, 2008, 3:28pm EDT
This type of thing is directed at, what the Republicans call "low information voters".
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Chris Jackson Oct 23, 2008, 3:28pm EDT
Berg is ecccentric as he once tried to sue President Bush on behalf of a 9/11 victim. However this story is accurate in that a judge ruled proceedurally that this was an admission. "THIS CAUSE came before the United States District Court Judge, Honorable R.
Barclay Surrick on Plaintiff’s Motion Requesting an Order of this Court deeming
Request for Admissions served upon Defendants, Barack Hussein Obama and The
Democratic National Committee Admitted. Having reviewed Plaintiff’s Motion and any
response thereto and for good cause shown, it is hereby ORDERED that Plaintiff’s
Motion is GRANTED and Plaintiff’s First Request for Admissions upon Defendant
Barack Hussein Obama numbered 1-56 and to Defendant The Democratic National
Committee numbered 1-27 are hereby deemed Admitted.
BY THE COURT
Dated: October ______, 2008 ______________________________
Hon. R. Barclay Surrick
United States District Court Judge
For the Eastern District of PA"

I don't know whether he is a citizen or not but I do find it goes against all common sense to hire lawyers and file motions to dismiss when a $10 birth certificate could easily be supplied. Leads one to think there must be something to this. If he waste money like that on attorneys I don't want him playing with my tax dollars. It does sound implausible at first but like so manythings about Mr. Obama, many things that would more than raise the media's eyebrow if it were John McCain are brushed aside. It is relevent that he had prior association with a terrorist, a convicted felon and Jerimiah Wright. It speaks to character when one associates with those folks in my opinion. Today the economy's the issue. Tomorrow it may be an attack. I'm not handing the keys over to a rookie.
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John Knight Oct 23, 2008, 3:53pm EDT
"Actually, when the crap about McCain began to surface, the U.S. Senate actually voted to confirm he was eligible to vote. It was unanimous."

That is true, and completely irrelevant to Mr. Obama's status. The question of why Mr. Obama has not simply responded to Mr. Berg's suit by producing the documentation to demonstrate where he was born, for the court to have examined independently by qualified experts, and allow access to hospital records which would verify the basis upon which the BC was issued, remains. Why go through all this, if he has the ability to simply snuff the whole thing out? It makes no sense, politically . . .

Unless perhaps Mr. Obama can prove his eligibility, but is waiting till the Repubs are "drawn in" to the matter (which thus far they aren't), so as to use it as an example of false accusations and "desperate" tactics etc. On the other hand, if the Repubs already know he isn't eligible, it is in their interest to have that revealed as late as possible, so the Dem's will be hard pressed to "switch horses", and the Repubs end up winning despite a generally terrible political climate for them . . .

I don't believe this thing is over . . .
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Deborah B. Oct 23, 2008, 3:57pm EDT
Wow the guy filing that suit is in for a big fat surprise when his claims turn out to be wrong. But, why spread that hate?
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Deborah B. Oct 23, 2008, 4:02pm EDT
Does it occur to anyone he has already provided the proof needed to show he is qualified? Should he start wearing a certified copy of his US Birth Certificate on his lapel now?

He is campaining while also taking time to be with his critically ill grandmother who was always there for him in a time and place where that was difficult enough.

He doesn't have to respond to every low life slug out there. He just needs to be with his family and also campaign. He hasn't stooped to the low low depth the Rovians have yet so why should he start now.

I hope he wins and I would laugh my tail off if he turns around and sues people for libel and slander afterwards.
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Skip Towne Oct 23, 2008, 4:10pm EDT
Pictures of his birth certificate are on factcheck.org. :

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Please remember to put on your tinfoil hat before viewing them.
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John Knight Oct 23, 2008, 4:16pm EDT
Oh boy, pictures . . . no chance those are bogus . . .

The question remains; Why not settle the matter officially ?
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Robin"Buffy's Stunt Double" D. Oct 23, 2008, 4:16pm EDT
I thought this loon was going after Bush?
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Patti W. Oct 23, 2008, 4:28pm EDT
Hey guys,I didnt write it.If you go to Bergs website you can read all of the details and all of the documents he has filed in court.If Obama has nothing to hide why does he refuse to produce the records and has had his lawyers try to put a stop to this and delay it?
It may be nothing,but if it is it will be a bigger mess if he is elected.
And Sandy,I will ignore your statement.You are always reliably nasty.
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Julie Ann Dawson Oct 23, 2008, 4:33pm EDT
If Obama has nothing to hide why does he refuse to produce the records and has had his lawyers try to put a stop to this and delay it?

Oh, I don't know. Maybe for the same reason McCain never produced his "vault" birth certificate and had his lawyers fight it. One should not be held hostage by every wacko that decided to file a lawsuit.

Obama HAS ALREADY publicly released a legal, authorized copy of his birth certificate, issued by the state of Hawaii. Now don't you think that if the currently available certificate was in fact "fake" the government of Hawaii would have not filed fraud charges? Because creating a false birth certificate is in fake a crime, and one I trust any good prosecutor would go after in a heartbeat. The only people who are claiming the birth certificate is a fake are anonymous bloggers. Every legitimate person who has viewed, touched, and dissected the certificate has attested to its legitimacy.
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Jerry Kays Oct 23, 2008, 4:39pm EDT
and I suppose that "FactCheck.org is the final and last word on universal truth ...
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John Knight Oct 23, 2008, 4:39pm EDT
"Obama HAS ALREADY publicly released a legal, authorized copy of his birth certificate, issued by the state of Hawaii."

Not in a court of law, he hasn't, despite the clear opportunity to do so. Why not just do so?
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Christopher L. Oct 23, 2008, 5:25pm EDT
Obama seriously has more serious things to take care of than respond to such a suit. I was a law student and Berg's suit is bogus in the eye of the Supreme Court. That's why--if this suit is even real--Obama wouldn't need to respond to it. Obama is a lawyer and he knows the law and its implications. Do you think he is that stupid to ignore something detrimental to his campaign or his reputation?

Obama just does not have time for petty things, but the GOP sure does have lots of time for sheer pettiness. That tells you a lot about what party should be elected.

And for the records, Berg's lawsuit is bogus and outrageously annoying. Any of the courts and their circuits would not even proceed. Trust me, because if this thing is so huge, wouldn't you think the news would be talking about it? And I promise you, you'll never hear about this again. Because it is a load of crap.

This kind of information is meant for the uneducated voters who are gullible.
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micky d. Oct 23, 2008, 5:41pm EDT
Its not over until its over. If the Clinton's are still breathing Obama has a problem.
Obama was born in America,there is a small town named after him in the state of Socialist Massachucsetts.Name of town "Spread the Wealth",Cove, NH.. ZIP-666 UH-UH-UM-AH.
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August Lady Oct 23, 2008, 6:10pm EDT
Yeah, I live in MA, I know that town well. Come on, folks, really!!!?
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Chris Jackson Oct 23, 2008, 6:28pm EDT
Christopher L., Maybe it is bogus but to assume the news media would be reporting on it is obviously naive based on this election season. They do no negative stories on Obama he's their guy. NBC is the official public affairs arm of the Democratic Party in case you haven't noticed. I'm sure Mr. Obama could find the time to authorize and have one of his surrogates take care of getting a long form birth certificate for a US District court. Again, common sense says it's the cheapes, easiest thing to do.
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Kai P. Oct 23, 2008, 6:34pm EDT
And he is still running? You are not qualified! Now I have no doubts about ditching Obama. Well, maybe a few.
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Elaine B. Oct 23, 2008, 6:42pm EDT
It don't lead me to think there's something to this. It leads me to think that Obama refuse to waste his time on crap.
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Donna M. Oct 23, 2008, 6:46pm EDT
I have never read such garbage in my life...this joker needs to get a real job cause his leader is about to close up shop - and personally I think its extremists like the one who published this garbage that are responsible for his bad choices, negative advice! and change of personality from as little as 10 years ago (as some are saying - he has changed and they cannot support him)
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Don(What's the use, you can't change stupid) S. Oct 23, 2008, 7:16pm EDT
Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth.


~Franklin D. Roosevelt~
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Dorothy H. Oct 23, 2008, 7:18pm EDT
All the candidates were vetted long ago, by the government, already. That's why they were all allowed to run for the office.

All the candidates have to qualify for a particular security clearance. If they had not padded muster, they would not have been allowed to run. That's the way it is.
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Robert G. Oct 23, 2008, 7:23pm EDT
If you believe this than you must put cookies out for Santa.
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Skip Towne Oct 23, 2008, 7:40pm EDT
Jerry,

If you're looking for "universal truth" I suggest you read Marx. Groucho, that is.
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Jonathan G. Oct 23, 2008, 8:00pm EDT
Politico has a new story titled, What are the Candidates Hiding? It explores all the major documents that are sought after, but yet unreleased by the candidates. You might want to check it out -- surely, on the section for Obama, at the top of the list will be the hotly sought after birth certificate.

Ok, I don’t want to get your hopes up, they didn’t mention berth certificate at all. But it is a very interesting story, nonetheless – you might find the real list of documents that are sought after of interest.

As I was reading story, all the people that I have read on gather discussing the Obama birth certificate conspiracy came to mind. I again thought to myself, do they ever ask why the MSM is not asking the question about his birth certificate.

Even if you, somehow, believe that all the so called liberal media is actively helping Obama on the cover-up.

Surely, at some point you have to ask, why is FoxNews not asking the question?

What answer do you come-up with?


What are the candidates hiding?
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Chaim Yermiyahu Oct 23, 2008, 8:10pm EDT
Unfortunately you've all missed the real issue.

According to Barak Obama, "I was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia".

That makes Barak Obama a Citizen of Indonesia, not Kenya...Hawaii is simply a distraction from this issue.

Just a a child adopted to a U.S. citizen becomes a U.S. Citizen, so also in most other countries.

Face it, Barak Obama is an Indonesian crypto-muslim operating under the facade of an outrageous brand of Christianity...in the U.S. it is better to be a creepy Christian than a Jew or Muslim in Politics.
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Lisa C. Oct 23, 2008, 8:11pm EDT
This Berg guy was on the Michael Savage radio show tonight if that tells you anything........
Even Fox or the RNC won't give a minute to this junk.
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Jonathan G. Oct 23, 2008, 8:42pm EDT
John you seem like a reasonable guy.

The one argument you keep raising,

“Not in a court of law, he hasn't, despite the clear opportunity to do so. Why not just do so?”

The “why don’t he do so”, is the only argument that I find somewhat compelling.

But let me ask you these;

How do you know you are getting the real fact about the whole matter? What I mean is, what your source? And what gives you the confidence the stories that you are getting is credible?

There is nothing in the MSM about these.

A few days back, the story all over gather was about damaging evidence that will soon be revealed; the big evidence supposedly could get Obama deported, within the next few days. Are you kidding me; why should I find these sources credible?

Also before I ask why don’t Obama comply, I will ask, if there is some important document that is not verified, why is not the McCain camp demanding that Obama produce the required document?

Cause, think about it -- Obama shouldn’t have to respond to every crazy case that anybody brings against him.

Next thing you know, someone will claim that Obama is not really a man, and demand verification. And somebody on gather will start a blog; and it will be discussed like a real issue. And some one will ask “why don’t Obama just show them his penis, what is he hiding?”

If there is a credible case, some credible person/group should raise the issue: like McCian, a McCain surrogate, even Palin will do. Or Foxnews could demand answer.


And if there were real questions, they would have asked -- don't you think?
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Julie Ann Dawson Oct 23, 2008, 8:53pm EDT
Chaim,

Learn to read. PLEASE. FOR the love of the gods. LEARN TO READ! Obama did NOT say that. Berg sent Obama a of statements and demanded that he either confirm or deny the statements. Obama refused to acknowledge the ridiculous request. Berg is claiming Obama is admitting to the statements because he refused to admit to the statements. OBAMA did not say anything. BERG wrote these statements, and then expected Obama to waste time responding. Berg is arguing the Obama is admitting the statements are true by failing to respond to the statements.

Is that clear enough?
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Patti W. Oct 23, 2008, 9:00pm EDT
IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Lawsuits filing in Eight States Seeking to Require Barack Obama to Provide Certification of Birth in U.S. before the Presidential election
Posted by africanpress on October 24, 2008
Seattle WA. 10/22/2008 — Lawsuits in eight states as of this writing– Hawaii, Washington, California, Florida, Georgia. Pennsylvania, New York and Connecticut, are seeking judicial authority to force the certifying or decertifying of Senator Barack Obama’s qualification to run as a candidate for President as a natural born U.S. Citizen. Previously, two lawsuits have failed to force the certifying documents from Obama.
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Rayniel Cruz Oct 23, 2008, 9:10pm EDT
Correct me If I am wrong, but isn't Obama's refusal to even respond to the statements of demand, a court order, a crime itself? I could get arrested for not doing anything when summoned about a traffic ticket, why, when the fate of the country is in our hands, do poeple allow Obama to just blatantly ingore our judicial system?
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Bryan B. Oct 23, 2008, 9:29pm EDT
Patti I have seen some ignorant posts, but this one wins the top prize. Do you believe McCain has so little of a chance that you post this desperate junk? Wake up and quit huffing the crap you are shoveling.
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Jonathan G. Oct 23, 2008, 10:02pm EDT
“but isn't Obama's refusal to even respond to the statements of demand, a court order, a crime itself?”

Yes that is what I don’t understand; if that was the case, the court would have taken some action and it would have made the news. Then we would have credible sources on the developments.

As it is, there is no credible source; you can’t take anything you hear as a fact, it is all just rumors.
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Rayniel Cruz Oct 23, 2008, 10:03pm EDT
I unfortunately am not a right wing nut. I honestly voted for Obama in the Primaries becuase at the time I thought him to be the best candidate for the job. This issue has radically changed my mind. The fact the he directly disobeyed a court order to respond proves that he is committing indirect contempt of court, of which he can be jailed and fined till he submits the requested information. I would like this issue to be resolved, I would like it if Berg was wrong, but that does not change what Obama did in this situation.
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Chris Jackson Oct 23, 2008, 10:16pm EDT
I am not a right wing nut. I am not a dullard. I am a thoughtful American. And I see Zombies blindly supporting the LEAST qualified Presidential candidate in history...because he plays well on television. Vote 'em in. See what happens. It will be change no doubt. But not what you perceive. See the shallowness....if you dare. It is quite apparent.
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Floyd Bogart Oct 23, 2008, 10:33pm EDT
What a bunch of hooey!

It isn't a full resume that makes someone qualified. GWB has two terms each as Governor of Texas and US President and is STILL unqualified.

Barack Obama obviously has the temperament for the job, as he has not reacted in kind to the hateful rhetoric of the McCain-Palin campaign. And yes, I think his experience as a Community Organizer is of value as well.

He is obviously well read and can apply the concepts within real world situations. John McCain has shown that whatever values he holds are easily and frequently abandoned for the sake of expediency.

Have fun tearing me apart...
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Nanina Hawk Oct 23, 2008, 10:41pm EDT
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
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Donna M. Oct 23, 2008, 10:48pm EDT
AMEN!
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Sue B.© The Sting IS Worse Than the Buzz Oct 23, 2008, 10:48pm EDT
Rayniel, I don't know that he can be jailed for not responding, but Berg is citing what's called "Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter. He has surpassed the 30 day period now." The link to Berg's page, from where it seems that Patti has taken her information is here.

Patti, I don't know whether you realize this or not, but you should have provided a link to the site from which you copied this information, and it should have been noted in your post that what you copied and pasted was from that site. The way you have it posted, it appears that you have written it, and that's not a good thing.
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Nanina Hawk Oct 23, 2008, 11:40pm EDT
Philip J. Berg is a Hillary Clinton supporter. He doesn't want John Mccain to win, he wants Hillary Clinton.
Consequently, do you believe like Philip J. Berg believes that 9/11 was an inside job, that our own government was responsible? His lawsuit for that one was dismissed.
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joseph b Oct 24, 2008, 12:24am EDT
This post is beyond idiotic. If true, the Clintons would have exposed this during the DNC in order to get Hillary the nomination.

Unless factcheck.org missed this one bigtime, then you are doing nothing but polluting the Internet with mindless crap.

There is a reason nothing has happened until now: There is nothing here. No one in politics, especially influential and important people, take these accusations seriously.

Chris Jackson--you sound like a right-wing nut.
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John Knight Oct 24, 2008, 1:05am EDT
Jonathan,

"How do you know you are getting the real fact about the whole matter?"

I don't.

"What I mean is, what your source?"

I have visited many web sites, including Mr. Berg's, and seen what appear to be genuine copies of court documents, including responses from the defendants. I have seen interviews of Mr. Berg discussing these matters as well. I assume that publishing false court documents is illegal, and quite actionable by the defendants. I see no reason why an attorney would risk significant financial damages, and probable disbarment for generating such an easily revealed hoax.

"And what gives you the confidence the stories that you are getting is credible?"

I feel I covered that fairly well.


"Cause, think about it -- Obama shouldn’t have to respond to every crazy case that anybody brings against him."

Well, I did think about it; he doesn't have to respond, apparently. It may cost him millions of votes in the end if he doesn't, and it may cause a "Constitutional crises" if he gets elected, and it turns out he's not legally qualified to be the President, but he doesn't have to respond. Lucky him.
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Sue B.© The Sting IS Worse Than the Buzz Oct 24, 2008, 1:14am EDT
"Philip J. Berg is a Hillary Clinton supporter. He doesn't want John Mccain to win, he wants Hillary Clinton.
Consequently, do you believe like Philip J. Berg believes that 9/11 was an inside job, that our own government was responsible? His lawsuit for that one was dismissed."

Nanina Hawk, Oct 23, 2008, 11:40pm EDT

She just posted this exact same comment on my article. They are two entirely different articles, warranting two enitrely different comments. How can you people do this? Do you read?
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Sledge Hammer Oct 24, 2008, 2:07am EDT
I like the content of this article and hope the allegations are true but the article might be more believable if you spelled "Barack" correctly. You spelled his name "Barrack" quite a few times.

The docs that should have been posted at the end of the article are actually on the Plaintiff Philip Berg's website www.ObamaCrimes.com.
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karen h. Oct 24, 2008, 3:25am EDT
OK I personally am really tired of the candidates we have and I my self am going to do A write in for my choice I will be voting for Robin Williams he might not be a politician but at least we'll all laught as the country is going to hell in a hand basket
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Nanina Hawk Oct 24, 2008, 5:02am EDT
It isn't that Obama hasn't produced his birth certificate, he has just not to Berg. The state of Hawaii stated they sent it to Obama in June, 8th 2008. That isn't good enough for Berg, who would think that any document that stated his birth was forged. Because Berg wants to believe what he wants to believe.
I am saying that Obama is an American, I don't have a doubt about it. If there was a chance that he wasn't the GOP would be on it big time.
I am saying that our next president of the United States is a Citizen by birth.
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stew beef Oct 24, 2008, 5:20am EDT
heres the point. i know if i were sued, i would immediatly disprove the allegations (if i could) mccain released all his records when the allegations of his citezenship came up. Why wont obama? true his medical records are confidential but if the president needs to be an actual natural born citezen then bring the birth certificate to court and make all of us retards in this country KNOW your a citezen. am i wrong? plus you idiots saying that berg is mentally ill need to think, if the lawsuit is ridiculous then why hasnt it been thrown out? courts have a no bullshit attitude. look at the suit against mccain thrown out pretty quick. i also think obamas do-nothing attitude in the courtroom is just not like him what with the hundreds of millions hes paying for publicity
now if your actually american (like me) wouldnt you want to see the credentials of the person you employ to run our country? im not saying hes not natural born but with all the bullshit getting thrown around who effing knows anymore. i would say that especially if you'r a supporter of obama, you'd want the truth. i wont vote for either of them because they're both power hungry war mongerers, but i sure as hell dont want a "spy" in office
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stew beef Oct 24, 2008, 5:23am EDT
sorry i cant write im a math student
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stew beef Oct 24, 2008, 5:26am EDT
i heard another issue that obama was adopted in the philipines wich means he wouldve lost his natural born citizenship even if he was born in the us in the first place because at the time the philipines had a no joint citizenship policy or something so he wouldve just been a philipines citizen. has anyone heard anything about that?
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John Knight Oct 24, 2008, 6:24am EDT
Stew,

It was Indonesia, and yes, it is a part of the same lawsuit. I agree with much of your reasoning (But feel it is within even a math student's grasp to hit that big key that says "Shift" once in a while  ; )
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Santa Claus Oct 24, 2008, 8:55am EDT
If you believe this than you must put cookies out for Santa.
Robert G., Oct 23, 2008, 7:23pm EDT


What the heck is that crack susposed to mean? Don't try and drag me into this mess, you're getting coal in your stocking this year mister.
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Julie Ann Dawson Oct 24, 2008, 9:20am EDT
mccain released all his records when the allegations of his citezenship came up.

NO, he did not. McCain was sued twice and never produced a so-called "Vault" copy of a birth certificate. In both cases, McCain's lawyers had it thrown out on the grounds that the plaintiff did not have standing. In fact, it is believed a vault copy of McCain's certificate does not even exist and may have been lost.

I don't doubt for a second McCain is a U.S. citizen, just like a don't doubt for a second Obama is a U.S. citizen. The point being is that McCain has not produced a "vault" copy either, not in court and not ever. Why should Obama have to just to appease a few wingnuts that aren't going to vote for him anyway and don't even care what the truth is?
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Capt Seaweed Oct 24, 2008, 11:11am EDT
Everybody with a brain knows that Obama is not qualified to be President. Everybody is just so bent out of shape over Bush they want to put as much distance between him and them as they can. And Socialism is about as far from Democracy as you can get with out going through Communism to get to anarchy which America would never tolerate. So we get to try Socialism. And a couple of years down the road 1/2 the country can say I told you so and we can try once again to find a way to "fix" America instead of continuing to try to "change" America.
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Prima Donna Oct 24, 2008, 11:55am EDT
Hogwash. He didn't respond because this is all bogus. It will be interesting, after this election, to list all of the crap that has been slung at Sen. Obama, and report on the people behind it. We are learning more and more about John McCain's character, and it isn't pretty.
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Sue B.© The Sting IS Worse Than the Buzz Oct 24, 2008, 12:13pm EDT
Julie-Ann, where is your usual factcheck.org link for verification of your statements? That could result in banishment from the lower 48, you know?
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Bill's Spirit Oct 24, 2008, 12:25pm EDT
You forgot to cite the folks who signed, and witnessed the signing, of these admittances.

Oh, yeah; and your .pdf links aren't there.

With statements like these you have just got to have a verification trail; if you want even a hope of being believed that is.
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Nippy Katz (not his real name) Patriotic Troll of Gather Freedom Oct 24, 2008, 12:36pm EDT
I think they should just force Obama to submit to DNA testing. That'll show whether or not he's a natural born US citizen.
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Jonathan G. Oct 24, 2008, 1:15pm EDT
John,

“I see no reason why an attorney would risk significant financial damages, and probable disbarment for generating such an easily revealed hoax.”

Fair enough; But the only thing we know is that he (Berg) have filed a case questioning Obama’s qualification to serve as President. Subsequently, Obama has all but ignored him, and Berg sited a “rule 36”, which as I understand is a de facto admition of guilt by a defendant that refuses to respond to a case brought against him.

Where do you get the part that Obama is refusing to present his birth certificate?

Also granted Berg will not present a forged court document, but he probably reports only the documents that are favorable to his argument. How do you know you are getting an objective reporting of the developments?

Also you mentioned that you have seen a responses from the defendants ; just to be sure, is this also presented as a court document released by Berg? If so, could you give the link?

Again, If there is a real case why do you suppose that foxnews doesn’t report on it?

And as I mentioned in my erlier comment, Poletico just recently did a story titled,
“ What are the Candidates Hiding?... It explored all the major documents that are sought after, but yet unreleased by the 4 major candidates. Why do you suppose in the part about Obama's unreleased documents, birth certificate was not listed?

Finally, how do you respond to Julie Anne’s comment from Oct 24, 2008, 9:20am EDT?
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Joe Plumber Oct 24, 2008, 2:07pm EDT
To all you morons who are claiming this is an attack by John McCain and therefore shows he has poor character:

This Berg guy is a democrat. McCain has NO association with him whatsoever. Obama has had as many (some say more) negative ads about McCain than McCain has had about Obama.

Hey, Julie, here's an idea:

I'm still in college, so I don't really have the opportunity to have a full time career. However, I still need to support myself. I'm going to assume you make $100K a year. Well, since I make about $20k part time, and so do most of my classmates, I think it's only fair to take $50k of your money and spread it around to my classmates and me. Then we can all make close to $50k a year! What an American Dream.
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X Tabber Oct 24, 2008, 2:12pm EDT
This is so ridiculous. He was born in Hawaii. His mother is American. Duh. End of story.

Chris Jackson, your comment "NBC is the official public affairs arm of the Democratic Party in case you haven't noticed" was curious. I hadn't noticed that.

I did notice that NBC is owned by GE, which contributed two-thirds of its 2006 PAC money to Republican candidates. So far in 2008, it's 50-50 Republican and Democrat.

So much for the "liberal" media.
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X Tabber Oct 24, 2008, 2:14pm EDT
And Joe Plumber's math is the reason why the economy is failing.

Gee, how does one split $50K amongst all your classmates so that they all have $50K?

Duh.

And gee, who said anyone wanted to do that. Stupid example. Stupid fearful assertion. Goes right along with the crypto-Muslim Indonesian fanatic comment seen above.

Use your brains for good, not for evil.
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Sue B.© The Sting IS Worse Than the Buzz Oct 24, 2008, 2:26pm EDT
Jonathan, just because John may not be aware of this page, you can see all the filings that Berg has presented for this case here.


As you will see, this is a site that republishes litigation records directly from the courts.
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William H. Oct 24, 2008, 3:09pm EDT
Someone may have already asked this question....What happens if Senator Obama is elected POTUS and then it is PROVEN (in a court of law) he is indeed NOT qualified to be POTUS? Who decides what's next? A possible ramification....will this open the door for change(s) to our Constitution?
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Sue B.© The Sting IS Worse Than the Buzz Oct 24, 2008, 3:19pm EDT
I'm sorry, I have too many browsers open here, and I thought that question was posed on my article. I'll remove it.
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Nate F. Oct 24, 2008, 3:20pm EDT
This lawsuit is not something that Mr. Obama can just ignore because he thinks it is beneath him somehow. Of course, he certainly can choose to ignore the lawsuit and discovery requests, but he does so at his peril.

It is not disputed that Obama was properly served with the underlying lawsuit. He was also properly served with Requests for Admission. Under the Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, he has thirty days from the date of service to respond in writing to the questions. Failure to respond within 30 days from service means that the matters are admitted conclusively. Obama did not admit or deny or even object to the RFA's within 30 days, therefore, the matter is deemed admitted.

With respect to the "frivolous lawsuit" allegation, Obama certainly has recourse in the Federal Court system if the lawsuit is "frivolous". Here is a link to Rule 11 of the FRCP which governs "frivolous lawsuits": http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/Rule11.htm

If the lawsuit is without merit, then the Judge can dismiss it. If the Court finds that the lawyer was particularly reckless in filing this lawsuit, or that the lawsuit was frivolous, they can sanction him at their discretion. Such sanctions could include Mr. Berg paying the court costs and Obama and the DNC's attorney's fees.

I also would point out to you that Obama has not ignored this lawsuit. He has retained legal counsel in this matter as has the DNC and they have filed Motions on his behalf. I'm quite sure that both he and his lawyers are aware of the consequences of failing to respond to RFA's within 30 days of service. If his lawyers were not aware of that or did not advise him, then Obama will have a heckuva malpractice suit against them if the Judge finds for the Plaintiff.

As an attorney, it will be interesting to see how Obama's atty's attempt to wriggle out from the Rule 36 requirements. Unfortunately, I have been in this exact situation and I have had a Judge give the other side more time to answer RFA's when I could find no basis in the law for them to do so. The point is, it's possible that the judge will make a bad ruling and allow Obama more time to answer the RFA's (maybe until after the election...) even though he really has no authority to do so under the Rules.
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Sue B.© The Sting IS Worse Than the Buzz Oct 24, 2008, 3:23pm EDT
God bless you! I've been looking for an attorney on here who might have some answers, but I've just been getting answers from people who know so much more than attorneys, or so they will claim.
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Nate F. Oct 24, 2008, 3:26pm EDT
William H.,

There is obviously no precedent for a situation such as that. Your guess is as good as any. In my opinion, what should happen is that the Supreme Court would find that he was disqualified as a matter of law. But the question is, who takes over? Biden? Or McCain? The consequences of this are mind-boggling. That is why this issue MUST be resolved one way or the other prior to the election.
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Devin Barber Oct 24, 2008, 3:34pm EDT
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
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draven jjjjj Oct 24, 2008, 3:40pm EDT
The fact is Obama and the DNC have NOT provided a simple certified copy of his birth certificate. This takes about 10 minutes, depending on the line, to obtain. The fact is, both Obama and the DNC have spent tens of thousands of dollars FIGHTING the issue instead of providing it. Americans have a right to know. And to those who have made bashes at the GOP - Berg is a Democrat. The GOP isn't fighting this. They are not involved. If they were involved, you would be hearing about it at every rally (because the news organizations bury McCain/Palin stories), but we DON'T. They are not talking about it or funding it (they barely have enough money for ads since they don't have the foreign donorship that Obama has). As for McCain birth certificate, he has shown it and proved it without missing a beat. He's qualified based on this provision in the law: "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States." This law does not hold true for Kenya; neither is there such a law. I just want the truth.
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Nate F. Oct 24, 2008, 3:45pm EDT
Rather than increasing the number of lawsuits against him, as some have suggested, producing a valid US birth certificate to the Federal District Court would all but obliterate every other lawsuit based on this particular issue. The reason is that the Federal District Court will make a finding of fact on the issue that can be used in any other pending or future case on this issue. Under the Federal Rules of Evidence, the Judge is competent to rule on the authenticity of a document that is presented as evidence. In this case, the document in question is his birth certificate. If they produce an original birth certificate to this Judge, and he determines that it is authentic, he can so find and I expect that the lawsuits in the other jurisdictions would be dropped (as to this particular count). If I were Obama's attorney and he was telling me that he had a good original birth certificate, I would advise him to produce it. Other lawyers would fight it just to fight it, but all that does is jack up their legal fees and does nothing for the client's interests, but I digress.
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Julie Ann Dawson Oct 24, 2008, 3:59pm EDT
I just want the truth.

The truth has been stated a dozen times. You just don't want to here it.

FACT--OBAMA has produced a valid birth certificate, and the State of Hawaii has confirmed it is a valid certificate. They get a dozen or so e-mail requests about this EACH DAY I recently read. Hell, you can e-mail them yourself. They will confirm the validity of the certificate posted. They will not violate their own law and give you a copy.

FACT--McCain has never produced a "vault" birth certificate either. It is believed one does not even exist and was lost at some point. No, that doesn't imply that McCain is not a U.S. citizen, it simply to clarify the "McCain did it so why won't Obama" diatribe. No, McCain HAS NOT. Ergo the logic is flawed.

FACT--McCain never answered questions about his eligibility in the courts either. He was sued twice and both times his attorneys fought it UNDER THE SAME GROUNDS as Obama is. Neither candidate has an obligation to answer every wingnuts' conspiracy theory.
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Linda A. Oct 24, 2008, 4:01pm EDT
Chris - Great comments on this post. The voice of reason is uncommon on Obama posts.

IF factcheck says they say, photographed, bla bla bla the birth certificate, then why did the Obama and DNC elite respond to a legal action? Are they above the law or are they making a "fool-proof" forged document. We all know how easily that can be done.

I say, respect the law, give your proof, and be done with it. Anything else begs the question of impropriety.
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Jonathan G. Oct 24, 2008, 4:02pm EDT
Sue, the link you directed me to shows that, Berg has filed a case against Obama claiming that Obama has relinquished his US citizenship. That off course implies that he once had a citizenship.

Therefore Obama presenting a his original birth certificate from Hawaii can only show that he once had a US citizenship, which this case that you directed me to does not deny; so therefore Obama’s birth certificate will not disprove Bergs case.

So why does everybody keep asking, “why don’t Obama just show them the original birth certificate and put an end to the case”? It won’t put an end to the case – in fact, the birth certificate is irrelevant. Am I wrong, Sue?
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Nate F. Oct 24, 2008, 4:03pm EDT
Some judges would say that they can grant an extension for "cause", ie in cases of emergency or inability to respond, etc. That does not seem to be the case here though. Particularly when Obama was represented by counsel. I suspect that they will try to make an end-run around this by filing a Motion to Dismiss based on "something else", which I think that they already did. The other frustrating thing is that you cannot force a Judge to rule on a particular motion before he or she is damn ready to do so. The judge might just stall, hoping to avoid the conflict before the election, but I think that it will be way worse if he rules against Obama after the election if Obama happens to win the election. Long-winded way of saying that there is no way to force this judge to make a ruling in a timely manner. Depending on what's going on in the case, sometimes not making a ruling at all is more detrimental than getting an adverse ruling.
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Nate F. Oct 24, 2008, 4:11pm EDT
Jonathan, you are right that producing an original birth certificate wouldn't put an end to all of the issues that Mr. Berg raised in his lawsuit. But it would certainly put that particular issue to rest in this case and in the other cases.
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