Shift the focus off the economy? to what Bill Ayers?

uh huh. The Weather Underground is so much more important than the budding worldwide recession. Banks in Germany and the U.K. are tanking today.
Wow.

This is a bubble of paper currency built over speculations.
It could be man made by greed and it could be political.
Pay attention to any government rule for ''our protection'' in the near future.

It's McCain's pathetic attempt at turning our focus off of the economy. When you're behind in the polls, sling some mud!

Looks like somebody has been palling around with GW Bush...

they need someone who knows how to fix the economy without beating around the Bush LOL

I would think that all Obama's crooked ties would be important. How did he pay for his Harvard education? Look it up!

Jose', How did McCain pay for his Academy education? That's right. The government paid for it. He must be a socialist.

I know the above is silly. But so is your argument about Obama. It's how well he did at Columbia to get into Harvard Law that matters. If you think they admit anyone who isn't on the ball and has a splendid background you don't know admissions officers.

Bill Ayers has paid his debt to society and is now a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

Despite the fact that Obama worked for Ayers at the Chicago Annenberg Challenge for several years and with Ayers on the Woods Fund for a few more, the Paper of Record insists that the two men have no real ties at all.

They both lived in Chicago. To say that one can’t adjust after a criminal live in the past is nuts. I worked at a company, Kaiser Permanente, in Southern California that had a program to hire ex-cons, feeling that they needed a new start in life after jail giving them a method to get back into society. I never saw any problems at all with that program.

And to say that Bill Ayers can’t live a decent life, is nuts.

Richard, Yes, Ayers lives a decent life as a matter of fact he lives the good life there in Hyde Park Illinois in a very affluent area; Just a half block from Obama. They not only live in the same city, they live in the same neighborhood. I believe there are some who deserve a second chance but Ayers was a natural born terrorist.

btw- Ayers never claimed to be refomed, in fact he is only sorry that he didn't do more, as in lay out more bombs.

Hey guys and gals! I just got this info in my email.

Over the weekend, John McCain's top adviser announced their plan to stop engaging in a debate over the economy and "turn the page" to more direct, personal attacks on Barack Obama.

In the middle of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, they want to change the subject from the central question of this election. Perhaps because the policies McCain supported these past eight years and wants to continue are pretty hard to defend.

But it's not just McCain's role in the current crisis that they're avoiding. The backward economic philosophy and culture of corruption that helped create the current crisis are looking more and more like the other major financial crisis of our time.

During the savings and loan crisis of the late '80s and early '90s, McCain's political favors and aggressive support for deregulation put him at the center of the fall of Lincoln Savings and Loan, one of the largest in the country. More than 23,000 investors lost their savings. Overall, the savings and loan crisis required the federal government to bail out the savings of hundreds of thousands of families and ultimately cost American taxpayers $124 billion.

Sound familiar?

In that crisis, John McCain and his political patron, Charles Keating, played central roles that ultimately landed Keating in jail for fraud and McCain in front of the Senate Ethics Committee. The McCain campaign has tried to avoid talking about the scandal, but with so many parallels to the current crisis, McCain's Keating history is relevant and voters deserve to know the facts -- and see for themselves the pattern of poor judgment by John McCain.

So at noon Eastern on Monday, October 6th, we're releasing a 13-minute documentary about the scandal called "Keating Economics: John McCain and the Making of a Financial Crisis" -- it will be available at KeatingEconomics.com, along with background information that every voter should know.

After this ridiculous bailout in which they both voted, YES; neither of them deserve to hold office.

Jose I am all for looking things up I just think it is prudent for all to be sure and consider the source before they off and spout things out of their mouths that may or may not be sure. The point is be certain first. I don't think you are certain on this. I think factcheck.org is the most partisan source you can find. I would be interested to see what was written there about your claim.

Of course they want the focus off the economy. The bail out plan didn't and won't work. Now they need us to change our focus from the failure of the government again, to something else that is going to be doom and gloom, the sky is falling...

Jennifer Partisan is the problem. Non-Partisan is the way we should all receive our information but that is all but impossible given the extreme media bias

I'm from Chicago and the Hyde Park section is an area of Chicago near the Univeristy of Chicago. It's a fairly well to do area but is best pictured mixed income area and racially diverse. It's not exclusive that's for sure. There are a lot higher income areas in and near Chicago than Hype Park. The whole area is kind of trendy but the "good life" that Jose R. is talking about is in Oakbrook and on the North Shore around here.

You can easily run into who know who or what for that matter in the grocery store, coffee shop or playing tennis at the park. Bill Ayers is now a professor and has worked with current Mayor Daley on educational issues. Ayers also turned himself in and faced the justice system and the justice system considers the issue done.

I'm not an expert on the economy but doesn't pork spending qualify as an economic issue? If we take a look at the pork spending of both candiates I am fairly certain that Obama has asked for and accepted nearly a billion in pork dollars as a freshman senator and McCain has received and asked for 0 dollars (that's ZERO) in his twenty-one years in office. I may have simplified the issue but I always thought pork dollars were our dollars. I am not saying that Obama requested the most pork, that title goes to Biden.

Brian, Ayers got off on through a loop hole. You can paint a sows ear all day but that don't make it a silk purse.

the Republican National Committee is asking the Federal Election Commission to investigate fundraising by the Obama campaign. They are alleging he accepted foreign donations.

Here is who is filing against Obama:


Republican National Committee

310 First Street

Washington, DC. 20003

202-863-8500


The last desperate act of a drowning man
the Republicans are going down fast

They have every right to investigate and if it were the McCain campaign I would expect no less. It is against the law to accept donations from other countries.

It seems the only way to win an election in this country is to cheat the books and associate with shady characters and terrorists. Ayers is a terrorist!

Domestic pork is a drop in the bucket compared to the military and foreign-aid earmarks that McCain supports.

Jose R, Ayers got off on through a loop hole. You can paint a sows ear all day but that don't make it a silk purse. The fact is that Ayers faced the justice system and the justice system determined the outcome. Flukes and quirks in the system still can't take away or deny the fact that Ayers faced justice and is no longer a wanted man and has went on with his life to become a law abiding, productive taxpaying citizen.

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Only 29 days until the election!

Dow falls below 10,000

Dow falls below 10,000. I'm bleeding red ink.

If the public had any brains left that have not been taken over by Bush the focus would be on Iraq as the #1 priority not the phony election or the economic mess. Once the war is ended everything else will fall in line.

Brian,
so since he got acquited, it's okay that he was a terrorist? So by your logic it's okay to commit a crime as long as you get away with?

Brian,
so since he got acquited, it's okay that he was a terrorist? So by your logic it's okay to commit a crime as long as you get away with?

No it's not OK but it not OK to bring up Ayers past after he has taken a honest job, pay taxes, wrote or edited 15 books on education, works with Chicago Mayor Rich Daley to help the public education situation and most of all faced justice. It was the crimal justice system that caused things to work out for Ayers the way they have- not Ayers. The man is accepted in the community now and has got on with his life and helps poor kids by trying to improve their education.

A much more worthy cause thanMcCains felon friend G. Gordon Liddy's hate spewing.

The weather underground was not even terrorists in the way the Al-Qaeda is terrorists, which is the mileu of association the Republicans want to create. Al-Qaeda tries to kill people to terrorize, the Weathermen tried to get attention by setting bombs where no one got hurt in order to protest the war in Viet Nam that killed 50,000 US soldiers, and took the money from another generation of US citizens and burned it up.

We are so prosperous here in America that our rulers feel they have to periodically burn up all the excesss wealth we create so they can remain in control.

People, Americans, let's stand up and kick these bastards out of office forever, and then let's hold the Democrats feet to the fire and see that substantial things are done to take care of us! To further democracy and education and health care, and cut off the 800 billion dollar per year money pipeline to the Middle Eastern terrorist nations!

Jose' R. Civil Disobedience is required of the people of the United States of America at times when the direction of the government is not moving in the direction that the people of the United States of America want it to go.

And the Vietnam era there was a lot of Civil Disobedience going on. One looking back now may call it terrorism, however, they are in error if they do so.

Boy in my day we called them activists not terrorists there is a differance

You younger ones need a a reality history check

What do they call the participants in the American Revolution?

Hows about the Civil War?

I think the corruption on Wall Street. That’s to blame. And that violation of the public trust. And that contract that should be inherent in corporations who are spending, investing other people’s money, the abuse of that is what has got to stop,”
Sarah Palin on "Hannity and Colmes", September 17, 2008

Guess where Sarah Palin was today?

Campaigning in Naples, Florida, including headlining a fundraiser. A fundraiser held at the home of John "Jack" Donahue, co- founder and Chairman of Federated Investors, a financial services company.
$10,000 per person reception organized for Sarah Palin in Naples

If that name rings a distant bell in your head, maybe it is because in 2005, Federated Investors paid a $72 million fine to the SEC for unethical trading practices.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/20.../801/419/ 621979
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Well you have all been saying tkat Ayers has paid his debt and is all right now. I see you said that Federalinvesters paid there fine and is all right too. right???

Yeah, at least Ayer's paid his debt to society, learned his lesson, and
changed his ways and is a well-respected activist that does good work.

Did John McCain learn his lesson. Over and over he talks about how
ready he is, but he does not have a history or doing the right thing.
I guess if you learn from your mistakes McCain must be very smart,
I just want some evidence of it before I change my mind and support
him.

actually the State of Israel was also founded in an act of terrorism when they bombed a hotel full of British officers and killed a hundred or so of them in order to try to get the Brits to leave. Look it up, it happened.

It's nuts to allow this man in the White House. Think of it, Obama in the White House with a known terrorist who is a friend of his. Does this not stink to the heavens?

As for paying his debt to society, he has no regrets other than that he could have killed more Americans. Do some of you think at all?

Sharon,
Please would you compare George Washington and Abraham Lincoln to Ayers? Really?

Chris, the bombing of what you are calling Israeli terrrorists was against hard targets, not civilian targets. Mistakes were made, but when people were killed they were soldiers.

If you read about the bombing of the King David Hotel it was being used as quarters for British soldiers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

Misusing the term terrorist and equating all miltiary actions by non-soldiers, or even soldiers as terrorism is detrimental to undertanding and solving the problem.

The Israelis also called in 3 warnings of the bombing to reduce collateral damage.

Bruce- yes you are correct that the King David Hotel was a military target. of course, measured by that standard, most of the insurgent strikes against us in Iraq have in fact not been acts of terror either, as our soldiers are wearing uniforms. But your point is a good one.

Thanks for the information,
THE POINTS DEPOT

Chris, don't know if you are still around, but again I have to ask you to reconsider and modify your thoughts. Most attacks against the US in Iraq may be attempted to be characterized as terrorism, but the US is pacofying Iraq, not conquering it.

Also, most attacks in Iraq are not against the "coalition" forces, but against fellow Iraqis of different groups, so your statement was a bit fuzzy.

Islam in my opinion is a terrorist assemply line. There is no wonder what they get out is prone to violence and terrorism when some Islamic sects can play up the connection to Jihad and push it to being justified violence against infidels.

To try to justify violence against American troops is I think a mistake. However ineffective or stupid what Bush tried to do in Iraq, it was not in order to turn Iraq into a colony. Certainly the energy issue tends to bleed all of this together, but Iraq is an improvement, or was an attempted improvement against what we have going with Saudi Arabia, and what we previously did bad in Iran.