Of course I watched the debate last night. Everyone I know made sure they were near a television, alert and ready to focus on the foreign and economic policies both candidates would surely discuss. I have outlined what I heard and observed and then put my own interpretation of his political reasoning for these behaviors and comments, trying to determine which were 'in code' to his base.
Mainly I was fascinated by McCain's body language and facial expressions, so here are a few of my observations.
McCain: "I did not win Miss Congeniality in the Senate."
My thoughts: No, you have not. Why? First of all you are hardly ever there to vote on anything. As a matter of fact, you have not cast a vote in the Senate on anything since early April 2008. Furthermore, most of your senate peers have learned to dislike your temper tantrums, flip-floppng on issues, grand-standing and attempts (like any true narcissist) to get all the attention for yourself.
Is it any wonder that you are not a consensus builder and your appearance in Washington on Thursday and Friday did nothing but upset the applecart? You have also shown absolutely no leadership in anything but attempting to look presidential. Of course, I understand, as our current president is an embarrassment to everybody, but that's another rant.
McCain: "I've been to Iraq, to Kosovo, to Bosnia, to Afghanistan, etc."
My thoughts: I've worked in a drug store, a factory, an insurance company, a law office, a bank, a mortgage brokerage, a symphony, a television studio, a non-profit and am an independent business woman, writer, artist and grandmother. I've also lived out of the country for three years and have traveled much more than Sarah Palin ever did. I've also, legitimately, met more heads of state than she had until last week. Bush has been all over the world, but he is still a schmuck. So am I more qualified than Sarah Palin to be a heartbeat away from the presidency?
McCain's Facial Expressions: Ugly, hateful, scornful....
My thoughts: Maybe bitter, bitter, bitter would cover most of it? Not hardly. He squinted, refused any direct eye contact with Obama, even after Jim Lehrer attempted to get him to actually look at and address Senator Obama. He scowled, gritted his teeth and jaws, had that awful phony grin - the one predators like wolves have when their eyes are hard and cold and they are actually trying to find a way to chomp on a major artery in their prey.
He was condescending the way men are in public when they really would like to punch the living daylights out of their (a) wife, (b) child, (c) opponent. This was so obvious from all the facial clues and his stiff-necked, stiff-jawed delivery of his words. The only time his eyes would light up with any real passion was when he was being destructively negative and lying about Senator Obama's positions or voting record. Oh, right, when he lied about his own record, his eyes would light up as well.
I found this very peculiar, as most people blink and look away when they are lying. Everyone but the true borderline personality. What is a mini-definition of someone with that personality disorder? (1) They are passionate only about themselves. (2) They actually have no compassion or empathy for others. (3) They can be utterly charming when they want something, as there are no moral values that hold them back from bull****ting their 'victims'. (4) They always are cultivating a caretaker like Cindy or his first wife. (5) They are often highly intelligent but also highly manipulative. (6) They often are high achievers, as they have no concerns for the rights of others and see others only with regard to their usefulness in fulfilling their own goals. (7) They feel superior to everyone else, and thereby justify their great lust for power and celebrity. Oh there are other characteristics, mainly that these are people who are functioning even though mentally ill.
My reaction as an old white woman: If you think your 'coded' body language and words were lost on us, think again. We saw and heard everything. If it weren't so early in the morning, I'd tear you apart limb by limb, but you are not worth it. You are just an old bigot who will use whatever it takes to scare Americans into voting against their own self-interest.
I will go to hell, skinned alive, tortured, water-boarded, blinded and beaten to a pulp before I will ever vote for you. Senator Obama may have too much class to call a spade a spade, but I don't. Give it up, McCain. You are a disgrace to yourself.
Oh, and as a postscript, what did I think about Senator Obama's responses in the debate? They were clear, concise, factual, intelligent and I was really proud of him for attempting to have a real debate. McCain would not engage, but that had nothing to do with Senator Obama, who wanted an authentic give-and-take.
The male Obama supporters may think that he should have landed a few more punches, but in reality, that is not Obama's disposition. He is a thinker, not an overblown poser or dirty-fighting bully like his opponent.
The female Obama supporters - and I would imagine many new converts as of last night - interpreted John McCain's intent without error. We saw him as the nasty, arrogant, condescending and elite little S.O.B. he is. We've been dominated and abused by men like him all our 75%-of-pay lives. Sorry, elderly Mrs. McCain, but you raised a nasty little boy who is not beneath exploiting even his military service to make points while he hypocritically ignores the needs of other veterans who served just as bravely.
So have at me you anonymous, drive-by low-raters without the hoozies to show your real identities on Gather. The truth is still the truth, no matter how low you try to rate my post. Go Obama 2008!
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McCain will now go into two more debates that are considered stronger for Obama. In these, he will need to be more formidable than he has previously seemed on the subjects. That is unlikely.
Another reason, which may have been the tie-braker ... McCain thinking that though he was not on the financial committees, he should be in Washington sitting and waiting rather than at the debate. Presidents must multi-task. Voting on the outcome of the committee determinations will be vital for both candidates, but the Senate would have waited for them rather than voting without. Its about understanding priorities.
I turned it on late, and saw an encounter where McCain went on a filibuster, not really saying anything, but not letting Obama speak.
I don't see McCain as a rational, controlled person...
Obama 79%
McCain 15%
http://jeffblack.newsvine.com/_question/2008/09/26/1919787-who-won-the-presidential-debate
I agree with that poll.
LA Times poll also shows Obama won handily.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/poll/2008/sep/27/obama.mccain.election.debate
I think this is the beginning of the end for John McCain...
This his been Obama's election to lose for months, and that is even more the case today compared to yesterday. And he's likely to have a very receptive Congress when he takes office. God help us all.
You sure do have your panties in a bunch don't you? Guess it's hard to be seen as being on the side of the ignorant losers, while simultaneously watching the economy of the country go down the tubes...after almost 8 years of republican party rule. Yeah - we need more of those FANTASTIC policies for another 4 years until we all eat dirt...
I got a kick out of the borderline personality analysis.
I tried to view the debate from the point of view of someone judging the effect of an ad. I think it was very close. Some people find Obama too smart. Some people like McCain's bellicosity. I'm surprised by the results of the polls. I was guessing that very few undecided voters were influenced one way or the other.
I had the same response as you did last night, but one thing you can't take away from McCain is his "whiteness" - man that guy is whiter than white with that plastered down hair that looks like it was painted on, and those teeth, yuck, those teeth...but it is that "whiteness" that is all some voters, like old Whoop need to see...it's enough for them...
McCain is a doddering, dangerous sociopath. He kept yacking about his life and who he knew.
John where is your little handmaiden? Where was she last night?
Oh, in the closet, good call, go join her.
Good job and spot on Elizabeth.
Now that was funny
But I can get a good idea of what the gist of it was from Cnn and there are always transcripts available, but its rehashing everything about the war and the economy, and usually political debates turn ugly,
Mooch
Funny how telling it like it is in plain English really got to you. As you don't have the guts to identify yourself, I'm not too worried about you 'whooping anybody's ass'. Bullies rarely show their real stuff to anyone who is obviously bigger than they are. Trying to compensate for something there?
McCain congenial? My xgf was more congenial than McCan't. Obama not only won, he took McCan't lunch money!
Elizabeth, I share your unmitigated glee at watching this patchwork of pariahs, and their new prom queen, go down in flames over the next six weeks. I’ve waited 8 years for this and it is a thing to behold. Truly!
morning, by on ? MARK MORFORD?
…she's basically Dick Cheney with a hair bun, and is about as friendly to the feminine cause as a reef shark to a menstruating mermaid.”
Thanks for all the encouragement and validation, everybody. I think it is about time that America woke up and realized how dangerous McCain could be... never mind his new sidekick. He's stubborn, or I would expect him to dump her, but he's one of those guys who cannot admit when he's wrong. That would actually take character not posturing.
We know that his "maverick" voting record is untrue. We know his foreign policy is a one-note idea-“more boots on the ground.” We know he is despised by his own party. We know that even HE didn’t want to choose Palin. We know he has reversed his position on the environment, on immigration, on tax cuts for the wealthy. Oh we know McCain. Frankly, I’m surprised McCain is getting the traction he is.
McCain style manhood functions well in the movies, comic books, and romance novels (for the first 4/5ths of the book. It plays on the mythology of the old west. It reaches back to the middle ages with the knights and rogues.
Obama style manhood functions well for fathers, businessmen, doctors, and other civilized occupations. It is the man the heroine in the romance novels ultimately turns that rogue into.
A civilized nation needs men who hold the outlook that problems are confronted with wit and forethought and not rash responses. The tribal regions of Pakistan is a better setting for people who have rash responses and a view that one side is all good and the other is all evil. In a civilized society we have less use for a view of manhood that the Taliban would agree with.
I watched every minute of the "debate". McCain stood there rattling off from the Republican "Who's Who" list, reminded us (AGAIN) of his time in prison, and proved once again that he has no concept of what main stream America is all about.
He has the same cold, fish-eyed, soul-less presence of George W. Bush.
He's been in Washington for 26 years. What has he accomplished with the "experience" he has collected? How on earth did he become the Republican candidate for President of the United States? How the hell did he become a Senator? The guy is another lying puppet to the disdainful organization known as the Republican party.
Who won? I don't think one "wins" debates. The only way two people can debate and have someone come out the victor, is for one debater to say "You're right, Barack, you're absolutely right on the topic. I'm a bumbling fool to think for one minute I could actually lead this country back into peace and prosperity". And Senator Obama replies with, "Yes, John, the rest of already knew that."
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OBAMA/BIDEN 2008!
You are right, Ted, nothing McCain said last night changed my rant. However, had he said, "I have been a lying SOB during this campaign and embarrassed myself and my supporters with my disgusting dirty, lying anti-Obama political ads because I was crazed by the lust for power and the presidency." That would have impressed me.
I absolutely agree. Thank you Salud
You and many other women are much more qualified to be a heart beat away from the Presidency. I keep thinking that she was chosen because he wants to lose and she's a good excuse to keep him from winning. At least, I know many folks who were half-ass thinking of voting for McCain but couldn't stomach the fact that HE CHOSE this woman who doesn't represent any of the women I know in ANY way and can't even answer basic questions - what a complete joke. Salud
Of course, someone's religion is not a test for the Presidency of this country, but McCain has been trying to divert and mislead on that one in a disgusting way along with his friends like Rush Limbaugh, who was the champion of Sarah Palin's candidacy.
Obviously this sort of dirty politics is taking the 'low road'. There is nothing that will 'fact check' that, but I have faith that the majority of Americans are not stupid enough to fall for that as evidenced by the newest polls.
We know one thing about John McCain. He is a skillful politician and will go to any lengths to feed his ambition and achieve his ultimate goal - lots of attention. Just like that naughty little boy in class, who when he couldn't get the teacher's attention by being the smartest or the hardest working, did absolutely obnoxious crap out of his bag of tricks.
Candidly? The Internet has changed politics forever and finally the people - meaning you, me and even Whoop Urazz and Ted Mooney up above - can have their say. Oh, and I do not mean to class Ted in with Whoop, as Whoop is in a class by himself. Ted is certainly respectful and rational and also man enough to identify himself, a position I respect even if we disagree on issues.
I decided to give my full name - what have I got to lose except friends, business and reputation? - and speak from my heart without any prepared script. I was rewarded with my last call when the woman said, "What is your name again? I want to thank you, because I am afraid to speak up with my friends." How many women have felt that you would lose a friendship over this election?
That is why I want Senator Obama to be elected president. I know that he will stop even people like me from behaving in such a partisan way. He will force me to develop my sense of fairness and I will learn to get along once again with the other 'side' because it will become my fellow citizens. After all, I love America and Americans with all my heart. I have lived out of the country and even with all our current problems, this is still the best place in the world to live, bar none. Okay, so maybe some Greek isle would be nice... but really, America can be great again. We just need to work hard to bring common sense and real patriotism - taking care of our fellow man - back into vogue.
If we have to base 'winning' on which candidate presented themself better and raised confidence that they will be able to conduct themself in a presidential matter across the board in general.....Obama WON HANDS DOWN!
While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75-year old Texas rancher who was injured while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Sarah Palin and her bid to be a heartbeat away from being President.
The old rancher said, "Well, ya know, Palin is a post turtle."
Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a post turtle was.
The old rancher said, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a post turtle." The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face, so he continued to explain.
"You know she didn't get up there by herself, she doesn't belong up there, she doesn't know what to do while she is up there and you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put her up there to begin with."
Certainly I should put my dukes down and fight like a lady, but I have done that the last two elections and I feel like I have to go 1000% or we will have 4 more years of the same. I'm about ready to keel over, but I have children and young grandchildren and before I go I want their lives to be protected. I am sorry if I am not as ladylike as usual, but hey. Everybody's got a limit.
You can be the one gentleman who sets the example and leads us forward with some standards of conduct in the Obama administration. It is our cumulative frustration - and in my case watching millions of people begin to lose their homes and jobs - that makes me feel crazy.
In summary, point taken. You are surely right about the rabies issue.:)
McCain, on the other hand, has had everything handed to him from birth. His existence has been maintained by a military that is actually an island of socialism within a capitalist state. I would guess that in addition to any investment income or wealth that he may have married into, his life has been taxpayer supported. Not having ever had to think about food and shelter, he cannot relate to ordinary people. His dismissive body language and lack of eye contact has demonstrated that he has a disdain for people not of his ilk.
This is an individual who is not just out touch with ordinary Americans; this is an individual who has never been in touch. But the most important thing that voters should consider is that this is a person who loves his military elitism and, he will find it difficult as president to accept concepts beyond the framework of his life. In other words, this is a dangerous man.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amb-richard-c-holbrooke/calm-methodical-obama-vs_b_130343.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amb-richard-c-holbrooke/calm-
methodical-obama-vs_b_130343.html
As far as convincing to switch side (I cannot help but think of the Seinfield episode about that but the statement about switching had a totally different connotation)
I don't think either candidate succeeded.
Obama presented himself as he normally does ,an erudite ,thoughtful individual although he deferred to McCain too often ...'Senator McCain is correct' Obama would say.Think this stemmed from his natural instincts and good manners to defer to elders ?
John McCan't continued to embrace that same nasty,old ,saber rattlin' 'Let me tell you how I won the war ,Sonny Boy' curmudgeon attitude..
nuff said..
the VP debate is going to be more colorful,I believe..Biden is entertaining with his verbosity..even his errors and gaffes will be more enlightening that what's her face..that bohunk from the permafrost..:) although she is damn funny when she is pulling answers outta her butt.
Per chance, did you read MARK this morning?
"To which we can only say: At last! Here is your bipartisanship, America. All the years of acrimony and fiery spittle, finally we have a grand issue around which both parties can rally: George W. Bush is dead!"
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/10/01/notes100108.DTL&nl=fix
I needn't comment but I will - for the public record.
So much is at stake in this American election. You, like me, can perceive that NOW is a truly historic transition.
Sometimes I see matters in terms of a liberated Rome after the self-inflicted death of megalomaniac Nero. At others I sense the unlocking of the gates at fetid Auschwitz in 1945. Either way our nation is about to shed the social shackles of ineptitude and disgrace and start down a new, uncertain path, filled with hope.
Thank you for writing this chronicle of quickly unfolding events here on Gather. Thank you, in advance, for parsing the public field dressing of Palin tomorrow night. These events need discussion … and public rebuke.
I look forward to your historic words. This comes from my heart.
Rejoicing admiringly,
~ Ken
Let's get ready to RRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMBLE!
Hilary,
Joe,
and Michelle
after they found out who McCain’s running mate was going to be.
Last night was a superior debate AND performance than between Barack and John. As a competitive debate, in other words, as regards questions, answers, proofs, supporting proofs, rebuttal, etc., Biden kicked her ass — hands down.
BUT —
and this is HUGE —
as a communicative performance to TV Boobus Americanus Joe Six-Pack, Palin was über-effective beyond all base expectations. She put her Gidget/Mommie package to work early and often. She bored with her eyes into the camera, cocked her head furtively (when timely) and drilled into to the shallow cortex of the Booboiserie. Alas, as a result she will be judged a winner in the court of public opinion because, in part, expectations were so low … and beauty queen cute wins! Americans don't know debate from chopped liver.
? And then this, from my pet peeve perspective. Those two countries (Iraq and Iran) are pronounced Ihr-rahk and Ihr-rahn ... NOT... Eye-Rack and Eye-Ran. This linguistic barbarism makes me apoplectic with irritation, and is the telling hallmark of the Booboiserie.
The pestilence of Cruella de Wasilla is still among us.
Oh the humanity!
~ K
That freaky focused stare she employed looking out past the monitors right into one's soul is a hipmotizin' tactic she learned at the feet of Jabba the current VP..
wait....maybe it's the secret moose meat makin' mojo ..that trance-like state she invokes in moose before that kill shot..hard to effect from a low flying helicopter but one must remember she is 50% of a Maverick team!
That is Maverical! Better than being Magical..
Lord of the Ring Maverical..in fact those bozos of the Neocon /GOP have screwed things up so much the past 8 years with impunity, without regard or the need to be accountable to anyone or anything that they must have gained possession of The Ring ..evil reigns!