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by Robert F.
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July 4, 2008

Why Barack Obama will Win this Election

September 14, 2008 10:28 PM EDT
views: 445 | rating: 7.6/10 (19 votes) | comments: 98

 

 

How much pain can America take before reaching out for change?

We have heard about how Sarah Palin has brought "excitement" to the Republican campaign.

But will excitement be enough for another American who has lost his or her job in a 'once-in-a-century crisis'?  Are we ready to pay out $200 billion for the recovery of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae?

The current Republican President has led a nation with continuing job losses. 

Is America ready to elect another Republican?  Or will it seek real change?

And will Hurricane Gustav and Ike make people want to vote Republican?  Global warming is making hurricanes more frequent and more severe.  That is if you wish to listen to scientists.

And the Republican candidate, Senator McCain and his Vice-Presidential nominee just want to "drill, baby, drill".   But on alternative energy, McCain is a "no-show".  As Thomas Friedman has written:

"It was only five days earlier, on July 30, that the Senate was voting for the eighth time in the past year on a broad, vitally important bill - S. 3335 - that would have extended the investment tax credits for installing solar energy and the production tax credits for building wind turbines and other energy-efficiency systems.

Both the wind and solar industries depend on these credits - which expire in December - to scale their businesses and become competitive with coal, oil and natural gas. Unlike offshore drilling, these credits could have an immediate impact on America's energy profile.

Senator McCain did not show up for the crucial vote on July 30, and the renewable energy bill was defeated for the eighth time. In fact, John McCain has a perfect record on this renewable energy legislation. He has missed all eight votes over the last year - which effectively counts as a no vote each time. Once, he was even in the Senate and wouldn't leave his office to vote.

"McCain did not show up on any votes," said Scott Sklar, president of The Stella Group, which tracks clean-technology legislation. Despite that, McCain's campaign commercial running during the Olympics shows a bunch of spinning wind turbines - the very wind turbines that he would not cast a vote to subsidize, even though he supports big subsidies for nuclear power.

Barack Obama did not vote on July 30 either - which is equally inexcusable in my book - but he did vote on three previous occasions in favor of the solar and wind credits."

Global warming is real and we are feeling the effects today.  Sarah Palin is not sure about whether it is due to humans or just nature.

This nation cannot tolerate more of the same fiscal policy of endless tax cuts and growth in expenditures that will now result in a doubling of our deficit this year:

"Washington - The US is about to end this fiscal year with a $407 billion budget deficit that is more than double what it was in 2007 - and the red ink is projected to flow on.

Even before the full cost of the government takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is calculated, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that the nation will add more than $2.3 trillion to the national debt over the next 10 years."

And even Republican and McCain friend Alan Greenspan had this to say about the McCain/Palin proposed tax cuts:

"WASHINGTON (AP) - Alan Greenspan says the country can't afford tax cuts of the magnitude proposed by Republican presidential contender John McCain - at least not without a corresponding reduction in government spending.

"Unless we cut spending, no," the former Federal Reserve chairman said Friday when asked about McCain's proposed tax cuts, pegged in some estimates at $3.3 trillion.

"I'm not in favor of financing tax cuts with borrowed money," Greenspan said during an interview with Bloomberg Television. "I always have tied tax cuts to spending."

Senator Obama and Senator Obama are simply more qualified to be in the White House.

Let's talk about education:

This is Senator Obama's credentials:

"After graduating high school from Punahou School in Hawaii, Barack Obama attended Occidental College for two years, then got his B.A. from Columbia University. He later got his law degree from Harvard Law School (where he became the Harvard Law Review's first black president), graduating magna cum laude. Obama was also a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School."

And Senator McCain's credentials:

"After high school, McCain was accepted to the United States Naval Academy, though he was not a strong student. He was often disciplined for misbehavior and ultimately graduated near the bottom-790th out of 795-of the class of 1958."

And what about Joe Biden?

His credentials:

"Biden attended the University of Delaware in Newark,[11] where by his own later description he was a lazy student.[12] He graduated with a double major in history and political science in 1965,[3] ranked 506th of 688 in his class.[13] He went on to receive his J.D. from Syracuse University College of Law in 1968,[11] where by his own description he again underperformed and ranked 76th of 85 students.[12][14] He was admitted to the Delaware Bar in 1969.[11]"

And Sarah Palin?  Her credentials?

"Sarah Palin received her bachelor's degree (B.A.) in journalism after transferring five times in six years: Hawaii Pacific University, North Idaho College, University of Idaho, Matanuska-Susitna College, University of Idaho again. None of the colleges have entry requirements. There are no records of any honors achieved. Sarah hasn't released her records to the public, normally an indication that no honors were received and the grades were enough to graduate."

O.K. so it really isn't close is it?  And isn't education important in jobs as important as President and Vice-President?

Do we need to mention McCain's advanced age and poor health?

And when asked about her foreign policy experience in her only news interview so far, Palin repeated the hard to fathom answer:

"They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska." 

And she didn't really visit Iraq.

And her visit to Ireland was actually just a refueling stop for her airplane.

"As for the trip to Ireland, that was little more than a refuelling stop.

The admission by the McCain camp further dents her foreign policy credentials. The campaign has made much of her experience dealing with Russia and Canada, countries that border Alaska. But in an interview broadcast last week, her first since becoming Mr McCain's running mate, Ms Palin indicated that her knowledge of Russia was restricted to being able to see it from Alaska. It now appears that her knowledge of Iraq is based on her having been able to see it from Kuwait."

You really can't make this stuff up.

I really don't need to mention her distortion about her support of the 'bridge to nowhere'?  That's old news.

You probably have heard about her taking a per diem for more than 300 nights she spent at home.  That's old news.

Like President Bush and his cronies, Governor Palin likes to hire friends for high positions:

"So when there was a vacancy at the top of the state Division of Agriculture, she appointed a high school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to the $95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate agent, Havemeister cited her childhood love of cows as one of her qualifications for running the roughly $2 million agency.

Havemeister was one of at least five high school classmates Palin hired, often at salaries far exceeding their private sector wages."

And more old news, she is under investigation.  Usual abuse-of-power stuff.  But that's old news.

And so as not to ignore Senator McCain, we can recall his Keating 5 history:

"Among McCain's earliest benefactors in Arizona was Lincoln Savings and Loan chief Charles Keating Jr., who filled McCain's campaign coffers with more than $100,000 and hosted the McCains multiple times at his vacation home in the Bahamas.

Keating expected his largesse to be rewarded, and when federal regulators began looking into Lincoln's questionable lending practices and investments in the late 1980s, he turned to five senators whose coffers he had lined - Alan Cranston of California, Donald Riegle of Michigan, John Glenn of Ohio and both Arizona senators, Dennis DeConcini and McCain.

McCain attended two meetings with regulators at Keating's request. McCain's view was that he was seeking information on behalf of a constituent who was an important employer in his state. The regulators' view was that they were being pressured to act favorably for Keating.

Lincoln's collapse, the biggest of many savings and loan failures, cost taxpayers $2.6 billion. Keating spent four years in jail, before his sentence was overturned on a technicality, and the Keating 5, as the senators came to be known, lived under an ethical cloud for years.

During the investigation, McCain revealed he and his wife, Cindy, had not reimbursed Keating for thousands of dollars in flights on his company jet to the Bahamas. The McCains blamed each other, reported McCain biographer Robert Timberg, causing the first rift in their marriage.

Then, The Arizona Republic published a report about an investment that Cindy McCain had made with her father in a shopping-mall project owned by a Keating company.

In 1991, McCain, along with his four Democratic colleagues, was found guilty by the Senate Ethics Committee of using "poor judgment" for attending the meetings with regulators on Keating's behalf."

Even the Rezco-Obama connection seems trivial next to the investigation and findings of the Keating 5 fiasco.

So there you have it.  You have two Republican candidates whose answer to our problems is do do more of the same.  Drill more.  War more.  Tax less.  Regulate less. 

And we have the temporary excitement about a woman who has been selected who is even less about change than her conservative Senator at the top of the ticket.

This isn't change.  A pig with lipstick is still a pig. 

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Comments: 98

Ron (in complete sheeple overload) W. Sep 14, 2008, 10:39pm EDT
It's hardly rocket science that these two are reprehensible, especially after crossing a line, even Rove Recognizes, in their campaign ads smearing Obama. I wouldn't vote for them if I had a gun to my head.
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Debra C. Sep 14, 2008, 10:39pm EDT
But the electorate needs to hear this rather than "lipstick" comments. In a tabloid media mentality, is that going to happen? And are those affected going to be able to get time off from their 2nd jobs to vote?
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Brian T. Sep 14, 2008, 10:48pm EDT
No way I'm backing the GOP. Obama 08. I've had it with the last 8 yrs and don't want to see 4 more of them.
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Robert F. Sep 14, 2008, 11:11pm EDT
Thanks. I didn't even get to the lies the McCain campaign, which is the Bush campaign machinery including Karl Rove, is running. They are quite effective in their propaganda efforts. Don't ever discount them.
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Atticus *. Sep 14, 2008, 11:21pm EDT
If it was truth against truth, there is no doubt that Republicans would be out on their asses in a flash. However, the dark genius of Republican politics is getting people to joyfully vote against their own self interests. It makes you wonder how many times people have to have the wool pulled over their eyes before they know who is doing it. I sort of believe that even if McCain wins the Republicans are pretty much done as a force in American politics. You see the message getting smaller and smaller by the day until now with McCain, all he has is a shadow message. He can't even talk about his own parties platform. He is running on a borrowed word "change". and what does he want to change? Earmarks. That's all he can come up with. Something that affects about 1% of the budget, is not always a bad thing, and can be quickly solved with the power of the line item veto. And they can't even tell the truth about their own records in defending themselves. Then they pad all this with POW, WOMAN, HERO, MAVERICK, APPLE PIE, etc. words with varying degrees of truthfulness, words that have meaning but no relevance to the issues at hand. Is that a campaign? So right now the people who believe in McCain and what's her name, are either in denial or ignorant of how government works because they are looking for any reason, any reason at all not to elect a democrat, or a black man, or a liberal, or just not to face the reality that we are in trouble and need to make drastic changes. History tells us that delusions of these kind are powerful. I hope you are right and I have put my money and my spare time into seeing that we elect a president who will actually seek to address the dire circumstances in which we find ourselves. - Barack Obama '08
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Robert F. Sep 14, 2008, 11:24pm EDT
Watch the stock market tomorrow and ask yourself if we need some change. I know the people who work at Lehman Brothers will be asking themselves that same question.
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Ron (in complete sheeple overload) W. Sep 14, 2008, 11:34pm EDT
Yeah, as pissed as I am we took over the rest, the collapse of lehman is a scary thing, on several levels. We may yet end up holding the bag on them, too, one way or the other.
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Christine Zibas Sep 14, 2008, 11:48pm EDT
Another Gather member wrote an article quoting an IMF official (an American) at an overseas conference on economics in which he stated that the banking crisis appeared to be far from over.

Let's just remember that there was a surplus when Bill Clinton left office. Now we are billions of dollars in debt. And the Chinese are footing the bill.
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Robert F. Sep 15, 2008, 12:00am EDT
Christine....well put. But this deficit is one thing, the collapse of the banking system shall rival the 1929 event that led to the Great Depression. First Bear Stearns, the Freddie Mac and Fannie May, and now Lehman Brothers. Merrill Lynch apparently is also being acquired over the weekend. AIG and Washington Mutual are floundering...And who else is next?

Yet we have the Republicans screaming that there is TOO MUCH REGULATION. And anything GOVERNMENT does it does badly. The private sector in the financial arena is suffering from the wild wild west of no regulation at all. Derivatives being peddled without regard. And Country Wide Credit giving out loans to anyone at all.

Yikes. We are all indeed going to be paying the piper. Check the dollar index if you like. The strengthening of the dollar is being reversed. The Fed is getting into a bigger and bigger bind.
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~Lady Neeetah of California~Obama #44 W. Sep 15, 2008, 12:15am EDT
Footing the bill? They and other countries are buying America. Soon -- if not already -- America shall be owned by other countries, while Americans place their hands over their forehands, crying,

Woe is me.

Yep. It shall be their "woes" alright -- but only the beginnings of woes.

America had better HOPE for CHANGE in the form of Obama/Biden.

But even then, Americans need to step up to the plate and start to exercise their muscles.
Americans -- post World War II Americans -- are lazy.

They do not understand the WE factor in

"Yes, we can."

or in

WE the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union . . .

Uh-huh. Their attitude?

Yes, YOU can. Leave "we" out of it.
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Ruth MacGill Sep 15, 2008, 12:28am EDT
Common sense tells us that Obama is bound to win, and if he were a completely white man he would be a shoo-in. Unfortunately there are a whole lot of closet bigots out there who probably would never vote for a black man, even a well educated, intelligent, fine looking man with charisma and good ideas like Barack Obama. If he doesn't win, I give up on common sense in this country.
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''The One & Only BERF" .. Sep 15, 2008, 12:38am EDT
"Senator Obama and Senator Obama are simply more qualified to be in the White House."

.....uh......something's not quite right here, Robert.......:>)
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libramoon C. Sep 15, 2008, 3:16am EDT


Tyranny on Display at the Republican Convention

By Chris Hedges


St. Paul is a window into our future. It is a future where, as one protester told me by phone, “people have been pepper-gassed, thrown on the ground by police who had drawn their weapons, had their documents seized and their tattoos photographed before being taken away to jail.” It is a future where illegal house raids are carried out. It is a future where vans containing heavily armed paramilitary units circle and film protesters. It is a future where, as the protester said, “people have been pulled from cars because their license plates were on a database and handcuffed, thrown in the back of a squad car and then watched as their vehicles were ransacked and their personal possessions from computers to literature seized.” It is a future where constitutional rights mean nothing and where lawful dissent is branded a form of terrorism.
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Robert F. Sep 15, 2008, 6:17am EDT
Lady Neetah,

I don't think Americans are "lazy".

Instead, they are sold a 'bill of goods' that tells them that taxes are evil because they know how to spend 'their money' better than any 'elitist Washington Congressman'.

They are told that government is the problem, so why not 'starve the beast'?

They are told that helping others makes them 'dependent' and 'lazy'. So why should they support that?

In other words, Americans have been fed lies so that those that wish to avoid spending money to heal the wounds that divide us won't feel responsible.

Change is needed alright.

But it isn't about laziness. Americans are as hard-working as ever.

It is about who we are, and what we are going to do about our problems.

I believe America is up to the challenge!
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Jack E. Sep 15, 2008, 7:27am EDT
So BERF you agree that Obama is the right choice.

Obama is a good bet to win but he has a chance of losing if he keeps trying to campaign against Palin and allows McCain a free run.

Americans are not to lazy to vote they are to self serving and women that would have voted democrat and now use the excuse they will vote republican because Hillary did not get nominated are not worth having because they are only interested in their own selfish wants and not looking at the big picture and what is best for the American public.

Women will lose the most if McCain is elected because they will lose what they have left and will not be able to support their families and are putting their children at great risk especially single mothers that are already making heroic efforts to support their family.
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''The One & Only BERF" .. Sep 15, 2008, 8:24am EDT
"So BERF you agree that Obama is the right choice."

Are you outa yer @#%$&@# MIND, Jack???!!!????

(**gag**)
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louis a. Sep 15, 2008, 9:25am EDT
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/14/palin-met-by-hundreds-of_n_126276.html
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Jennifer R. Sep 15, 2008, 10:02am EDT
This is good info. Thanks for sharing. Excellent read and excellent write.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 15, 2008, 11:11am EDT
This is biased info, but it matters little since most people will never read this regardless. Uh... McCain Palin are going to win because people don't trust Obama and Americans don't want to go down the socialist road Obama intends to do.

Vote McCain/Palin, pay less per gallon. Get a brain, Vote McCain....

If you vote Obama, you will have to move back to yo momma.
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Robert F. Sep 15, 2008, 11:25am EDT
Don,

I like that jingle...."Get a brain, vote McCain...."

and the "vote Obama, you will have to move back to yo momma."

It is rather inspirational. Especially the socialist stuff.

Maybe you like the Lehman Brothers brand of capitalism.
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Bent Lorentzen Sep 15, 2008, 12:36pm EDT
Obama Experience:
1.- Bachelors in International Relations, Columbia University
2.- Professor of Constitutional Law, University of Chicago law school
3.- J.D. Harvard University
4.- Civil Rights Attorney
5.- Eight years in the Illinois State Senate
6.- United States Senator since 04
7.- Chairman of Foreign Relations Committee
8.- Author of two best sellers
9.- Survived perhaps the harshest Democratic Primary Year in US history, to be nominated to the Office of the President of the United States.
---> 17,869,542 Americans cast a ballot for Obama
---> 9,902,797 Americans cast a ballot for McCain

America not only deserves the best and brightest, it must have it to survive...

We cannot afford a Republican President, especially with virtually all media this morning stating that America is on the brink of the worst banking collapse since Black Thursday, October 28, 1929 and the Great Depression

When Palin took over as mayor of Wasilla (2000 census: 5,469), the city of had no long term debt, but when she left office, it had become $20 million.

Consistently since the 2nd World War, Republican presidents - strikingly also with Reagan - have outspent and out-borrowed Democratic presidents three to one! (whitehouse.org) In 2002, Bush out-borrowed and outspent Clinton's last year in office 23 to 1 !!!!

OK, we had a 9-11, but I am afraid to say that I agree with Alan Greenspan, that the whole wool-over-the-eyes Bush Administration response to that had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with national security but only to do with OIL and a few investors in or near Pennsylvania Ave who have gotten stinking rich on bankrupting America, and now ALL of America's allies are facing a banking crisis due to the *Rocks* in America that have crumbled.

The final 2 years of Bush's total borrowing has contentious figures, but it looks like Bush has bankrupted America, with China actually owning a great deal of that debt. This is the strategy McCain not only wishes to continue but actually wishes to expand on.

The worst for America, though, is that it will be our children who owe that debt to China and elsewhere... if we even will survive (in the event of enough stupid people voting for McCain simply due to an airhead that believes dinosaurs roamed the Earth alongside Abraham and Moses 4000 years ago)
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Bent Lorentzen Sep 15, 2008, 12:44pm EDT
Additionally,

According to American actuaries, McCain has a 1 in 3 chances of dying within 4 years! (sorry, McCain, but that's how the multinational corporations in your pockets assess your risk)

Do we honestly wish even the remotest possibility for Palin, who believes God wants us to kill Iraqi citizens (including between 90,000 to 150,000 innocent men, women and... yes, children) to hold the Nuclear Football
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Bent Lorentzen Sep 15, 2008, 1:12pm EDT
A man in Germany last century rose to popular vote power due to his nation's economic collapse over a war and the hypnotic drone of For God and Country. He then engaged the world in a virtually unilateral war that nearly destroyed western civilization.
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Paul Allen Leoncini Sep 15, 2008, 1:16pm EDT
Who F'ing cares . . both parties are pigs with lip stick! DUH ! Wake up!
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Clark Kent Sep 15, 2008, 1:51pm EDT
"Same shit new day from the cultists.

Six weeks and and it's all over for the Chicago Charlatan. All the kool aid in the world can't save his skinny ass from the truth. "

Same shit, same blinding, dumbass ignorance from the dickless, brainless bush/mcsame cult worshippers. Never anything positive to say about THEIR guys, for some odd reason. I wonder why that is?




"McCain Palin are going to win because people don't trust Obama and Americans don't want to go down the socialist road Obama intends to do."

This is republiCON code for "He's a NEGRO, and there ain't no way in hell I'm voting for any darky." Nice racism, GOP. It's really an awesome feature of your filthy criminal organization.

Btw, the public happens to strongly favor the democratic/socialist position on virtually every subject except the bogusly labeled "national security," which would also lean democratic if the "liberal media" bothered to speak the truth about just how much damage the republiCONs have caused. We all remember full well who was in charge on 9/11, btw. That would absolutely NOT have happened under democratic watch.




"Vote McCain/Palin, pay less per gallon."

Oh yes, because we see how dramatically gas prices have already dropped under republiCON leadership, right? We need MORE of that great leadership.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 15, 2008, 1:51pm EDT
"Maybe you like the Lehman Brothers brand of capitalism"

That's called lending money to those who can't pay it back.... a few years ago it was wrongly assumed that the value of properties would retain their value or go up, so they took the risk.

It's all wrong and the Fed should not be bailing out any of these companies. Instead, you and I are paying for it. Oh, and those who pay the most are paying the most, so the libs that aren't on the tax rolls don't have much to worry about. It's folk like me that get screwed on these deals.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 15, 2008, 1:53pm EDT
"This is republiCON code for "He's a NEGRO"

I know Superman can leap tall buildings in a single bound, but even this was an impossible leap for you, Clark.
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Brad D. Sep 15, 2008, 1:54pm EDT
I don't know.

I'm pretty sure that a guy who's 72 and has had cancer 4 times would have a pretty difficult time getting reasonable life or health insurance.

Why should he get the presidency?
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 15, 2008, 1:56pm EDT
That's almost the same as saying we would never put a woman in power... and you see how that works out. You give me Condi or Colin and I'd take them over any white boy dem any day of the week. It's not about gender or race -- it's about values, judgement, ideology and experience, which it something Obama loses on all scores.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 15, 2008, 1:57pm EDT
"Why should he get the presidency?"

Ask his 96 year old mother.
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Brad D. Sep 15, 2008, 1:57pm EDT
That doesn't even make any sense.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 15, 2008, 1:58pm EDT
"we see how dramatically gas prices have already dropped under republiCON leadership, right? We need MORE of that great leadership"

No, we need to exploit more of OUR resources. It's a no brainer dipweed.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 15, 2008, 2:01pm EDT
"That (911) would absolutely NOT have happened under democratic watch. "

Yeah, because the first bombing in 1993 was just a criminal matter, and the planning of 911 dated back to the Clinton admin, as well, Clinton was too busy playing golf while our military had Osama in their sights and waited for the order to shoot... Dereliction of Duty!
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 15, 2008, 2:04pm EDT
"A man in Germany last century rose to popular vote power due to his nation's economic collapse over a war and the hypnotic drone of For God and Country. He then engaged the world in a virtually unilateral war that nearly destroyed western civilization."

I don't know if I would smear Obama with that rhetoric.... but if you insist, ok.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 15, 2008, 2:14pm EDT
Bent -- why do you tell all these half truths? Example:

"When Palin took over as mayor of Wasilla (2000 census: 5,469), the city of had no long term debt, but when she left office, it had become $20 million."

That $20 million debt was in fact a long term bond to build a Sports Complex. It is to be paid for with a slight raise in sales tax and was voted on as a referendum by the people of the city. The way you tell it, it's as though she mismanaged the budget ... in fact, she improved the quality of life for the small city with their explicit approval.

You say Obama was a professor. Sen. Obama has often referred to himself as “a constitutional law professor” out on the campaign trail. He never held any such title. And I think anyone, if you ask anyone in academia the distinction between a professor who has tenure and an instructor that does not, you’ll find that there is … you’ll get quite an emotional response.

And not for nothing, but his entire time as a 'professor' as you claim is AT THE SAME TIME (1993-2002) he was an associate lawyer (not a partner, a hired hand).
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 15, 2008, 2:17pm EDT
Lastly, Bent -- you are not an American citizen and you live in a socialized country... why the hell do you care who we elect, or more to the point, why don't you mind your own business? The fact is, we don't get involved in your elections, but then, I guess that's not a fair comparison because your country is a do-nothing state precisely because it rendered itself impotent on the world stage because of its socialist nature.
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Bent Lorentzen Sep 15, 2008, 2:54pm EDT
Actually you are quite wrong, and have the legal right to vote in the American election.
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Clark Kent Sep 15, 2008, 3:45pm EDT
Why are republiCONs so wrong about every single issue of the day? Better yet, why are there still enough clueless ijits left in this country who will STILL vote for the party that is wrong on every single issue?

Just look at the nonsensical, mindless blatherings of the village idiot known as "Don," here. Not a single thing he says makes a bit of sense to anyone but him. Yet, this is the type of "logic" that these mindless wonders use to justify their decision to continue voting for colossal, catastrophic failure and unfathomable corruption.

What's glaringly missing from these delusional fool's rhetoric is any sense of logic, rational thought, or reality-based point. Everything that they say is based entirely upon mythical fantasies that only exist in their twisted heads, as planted there by their media propagandists.
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Eric S Sep 15, 2008, 3:50pm EDT
"We cannot afford a Republican President, especially with virtually all media this morning stating that America is on the brink of the worst banking collapse since Black Thursday, October 28, 1929 and the Great Depression"

Why are the Democrats in Congress ( including BHO and Biden ) allowing this to occur??

Where are the bold moves by the Democrats in Congress ( including BHO and Biden ) to head this off??

Let's see some action NOW by the Democrats in Congress ( including BHO and Biden ).
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Jai S. Sep 15, 2008, 3:56pm EDT
ON a positive note the Oil prices are falling - it is the best indicator to me that the RepubliCONs to use Clark's word will not win the election. Only time will tell. I plan to do my part... I am afraid this time instead of hanging chads we will have a huge fight over BITs and Bytes (electronic voting machines) and will be once again settled in Court?
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 15, 2008, 3:57pm EDT
Definition of 'unfathomable corruption'

Barack Obama getting the most donations from Fannie Mae, being number two on the list, with Chistopher Dodd being number one... but it took him from 1989 to get his sum... Barack did it three short years.

Or how about House Ways and Means Chairman Charles Rangel of New York admitted last week that in recent years he has underpaid his taxes.... forgot about a few houses he sold, currently rents.... oh, and that doesn't even mention the numerous buildings he has under rent control in NY that save him about $30,000/year... nice deal if you have friends on the inside.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 15, 2008, 3:59pm EDT
"Everything that they say is based entirely upon mythical fantasies that only exist in their twisted heads"

Go and google Barack or Charlie R on these issues. FACTS, TRUTH, LOGIC... that's how we beat you moonbats everytime... LOSER!
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 15, 2008, 4:04pm EDT
Let me help you out, Clarky....

Obama is the largest individual recipient of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac at about $112,000, federal campaign finance reports show - LA TIMES

Rangel Owes U.S. Back Taxes NY TIMES

I want you all to take note how I used reasonably credible sources. Contrast that with what Clark and his ilk do. They use sources like:

DailyKooks (their fav)
AlteredMinds.net
CommonDayDreams
TruthInsideOut
MotherFu**inJones
MichaelMooreLies
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John Harris Beck Sep 15, 2008, 4:19pm EDT
I have to admit that I like Sarah Palin and might be a political admirer, too, if I lived in her state and had been given $1,200 (like Alaskans, per person). But my state doesn't have big-time oil revenues to subsidize that.

So I like her, but I disagree with her, and I'd rather see Kay Bailey Hutchinson or Libby Dole on the McCain ticket. Sarah just doesn't know enough, she hasn't thought hard about national issues until a few weeks ago, she takes her religious values with her into politics where it becomes ideology, and she's still in the phase of giving her friends big jobs. That's what made Warren Harding a disastrous president.

So yeah, I'd go see Gov. Palin in a movie and cheer for her. Vote for this ticket she's on, no way.
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Bent Lorentzen Sep 15, 2008, 4:28pm EDT
I'll end my participation in this debate by pulling words from a living person, mois, written in another debate.

When I studied a martial arts for a decade, what I learned above all, which has helped me at times walk through dangerous neighborhoods in some really scary places in the world, was to walk strong, tall and with determined strides. This is an old instinct martial arts has learned from nature, but now transformed to cognitive reasoning, for it is those who give off weakness signals that attract the attention of predators. I think it is crucial for America to have a powerful military in our world. But then beware... for with such power, the natural tendency of several other primitive instincts is to capitalize on that and hence exploit others who are weaker. And that sets the stage for such things as a world war. Because those who feel themselves exploited, especially in our world of information sharing, will quickly learn the technology to fight back, and in ways that are pretty mean. So it is always better to stay strong, but with a leadership that at the exact same time looks within itself to see what it is doing wrong with all that power, and to also look at the world, and see what can be done to lessen its suffering, and thus enable those who are struggling to come out of those struggles which are causing them to behave in more instinctive and less cognitive fashions.

Obama, among the two candidates, is the only one that exhibits anything close to that integrated, dual nature. Sort of like carry a big stick but speak soft, though now taken to the next level of greater awareness of the real circumstances in the world, both at the micromanagement level and the global.
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~Lady Neeetah of California~Obama #44 W. Sep 15, 2008, 4:28pm EDT
Gentlemen! Gentlemen!

Might we dispense with the namecalling, and turn it down a notch or two?

Heavens to Murgatroid.

Don, I am not a liar, and here is a personal fact:

FACT: I get email -- here at Gather -- from "persons who prefer to remain anonymous" from OTHER GATHERERS of a RACIST nature AGAINST Barack Obama.

Of course they prefer to remain anonymous. They are unnerved and don't want to be harassed for saying anything. For all I know, one of the senders of this email may very well be YOU, Don.

FACT: I've also gotten email from Gatherers who are AFRAID of repercussions and/or reprisals, based on my political stand -- afraid of OTHER Gatherers, because of the colour issue. They want me to understand that they are still my Gather buddy, but the heat is on, and until this Election business is over, they won't be around much.

CNN has confirmed time and time again that the FBI heard, during their monitorings, "noise", which precipitated Secret Service protection for Senator Obama back in April, 2007. It was assassination plans. It was not reported whether the plans being made by anti-Black groups, and YOU would probably say "NO". Whatever. I've noticed that the Secret Service did NOT need to protect any of the other 8 or 9 people running for the Democratic nomination, excluding Hillary, whom automatically received it as the ex-First Lady.



To this day, though, the death threats to Senator Obama's various Campaign Headquarters increase in intensity.

Want to check reports on McCain's headquarters? Democrats don't DO that.




I should add one more thing: none of the email I've received like this has come from African Americans.

To add a little levity, I've occasionally joked to the other person, asking:

"I wonder why I didn't get this racist Obama email???"

(And yes, I do believe they are telling me the truth.)
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~Lady Neeetah of California~Obama #44 W. Sep 15, 2008, 4:30pm EDT
Robert,

Thanks for your response! To be continued . . .
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~Lady Neeetah of California~Obama #44 W. Sep 15, 2008, 4:35pm EDT
Let me make the first statement clearer: People are "campaigning" via Gather email, and the content of the email contains some -- if not all -- racist statements about Barack Obama.

What they do not realize is that, not all of the recipients of these email share their view(s), and are letting others (like me) know. I hope that's clearer.

So do NOT try to pretend the colour card has not been played; it has, only Barack Obama did NOT play it.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 15, 2008, 4:37pm EDT
"For all I know, one of the senders of this email may very well be YOU, Don"

How nice of you to suggest that without any facts to back it up. For all I know, it's you sending racist letters to yourself. Who knows... maybe it's Clark trying to stir the pot. But I guess since you DONT KNOW the responsible thing would be to not make BASELESS accusations. YOU ARE A LIAR for suggesting that.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 15, 2008, 4:40pm EDT
BTW -- I have NEVER ONCE gotten an email on Gather with any racists content. Now, I try to avoid the spam, so I am not on many lists, but you should posts your emails to show what's out there. And not for nothing, but it is a violation of the TOS to send out racist laden content, so you have a responsibility to forward to the appropriate people at Gather.
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William Dotani Sep 15, 2008, 4:43pm EDT
You have to be one of the major F*** ups in history to destroy a nation's economy like Bush did in 8 years and yet the gullible voted for this moron. I just hope most have enough common sense not to vote for McSame and the pig wearing lipstick.
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William Dotani Sep 15, 2008, 5:01pm EDT
Oops! Excuse my lack of PC correctness, but I'm fed up. ENOUGH!!!!!
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~Lady Neeetah of California~Obama #44 W. Sep 15, 2008, 5:24pm EDT
I don't bait, Don. Nor do I betray confidences.


I am even more convinced by your false outrage, that it may very well be YOU doing this thing. Why else would you be screaming so loudly.
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~Lady Neeetah of California~Obama #44 W. Sep 15, 2008, 5:26pm EDT
"Why else would you be screaming so loudly."

It's not a question, though stated in that format; it's a statement of fact.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 15, 2008, 6:00pm EDT
GFYS.... seriously, I don't tolerate bullshit accusations like that. If that's the level of discourse you want to play on, I'll go there.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 15, 2008, 6:01pm EDT
"destroy a nation's economy like Bush did"

Explain to me exactly what policies Bush signed into law that destroyed the economy. I love to listen to people who know nothing about economics to explain this.
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vickey w Sep 15, 2008, 8:44pm EDT
Lady, this is none of my business but have always found you fair about your political views, but I think you are doing Don H a grave injustices of accusing him of something that you have no proof of...I give Don credit for speaking what is on his mind.. why, would he want to do something of this nature? Even a criminal is innocent until proven guilty....
I dont think that race is an issue when it comes to Obama... Remember, he is part white too, but many want to embrace his black side and forget his white side.. If you ask me, this is reverse discrimination... One might accuse blacks of being racist as well.... It can work both ways.
But I do feel that just because you and Don disagree with each other that you still can be respectful of each other..We could also, say that if you dont vote for Palin that those who dont are sexist.. we could also, say that Obama is disrespecting the handicap by the Obama ad on McCain not being able to use a computer because he cant raise his hands up as it hurts him due to his being tortured in the military pow camps... THis is quite unnecessary and hits below the belt... We should never make fun, or think we are better than someone less fortunate that we are... SO if Obama cant do any better than this... and want sto put down the handicap, I cant see him doing to much for the ones who need help the most...
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Dorothy H. Sep 15, 2008, 8:59pm EDT
Don claims he'd vote for Powell or Condi Rice if they were running. That's an easy claim to make since they are NOT running.
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Poliwonk USA Sep 15, 2008, 9:35pm EDT
Obama has equally smeared McCain, after he finished smearing Hillary
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Wilma D. Sep 15, 2008, 9:41pm EDT
Why does anyone bother with Don?

William. I bet you are frustrated in Michigan, which has been his hardest by Bush's economic policies(war and tax cuts for the rich) and is still leaning toward McCain, despite his pledge to be Bush Jr. And it has everything to do with race.
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Mariana T. Sep 15, 2008, 10:09pm EDT
He'll win because I'm voting for him. Vote Obama. Salud
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Bent Lorentzen Sep 15, 2008, 10:11pm EDT
My goodness, the neoconservatives have been right all along.

The "dominoes effect" is true.

Communism has spread and destroyed human ingenuity and progress.

Islam has also done the same.

We are living in such fear and cannot think with ingenuity or hope for progress...

I had no idea they were so right. I must reshape my entire thinking, and bow down low to all those whom I once felt...

Wait. What was it that that Connecticutian said? Peter Schiff? Renowned pioneer in the field of international investing (r), President of NASD-registered, Euro Pacific Capital? Get out of Dodge... Take your money out of the banks... Get rid of your Dollars... Invest in hard commodities like gold, or better yet, the stuff that people need, whether in the ghettos of Delhi or canyons of Wall Street, rice.

So the Dominoes Effect is real, but it's not from where the messengers were pointing. It is the messenger, from Nixon to Reagan to Bush and now, more than ever, McCain (forget that Alaska governor; she's just icing on the crap cake.)

On Bush's watch, with the endorsement of McCain, who wishes to do it even better with "bomb.. bomb.. bomb.. bomb.. bomb..." add a bad baritone singing voice, and even worse dance steps (his own smiling words before national TV)

1. 9-11 (the worst attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor)
2. Iraq Invasion. (most costly per Diem military boner in US history) and more costly even that World War I, the war to end all wars.
3. China Syndrome. (half the US debt is now held outside the US, mostly in China. PS, don't buy baby formula unless you make certain it didn't come from China. Kids are dying)
4. Systematic destruction of the American dream
5. The biggest destruction of an economy in world history, unless we wish to count the similar forces of the Republican Party that shaped the DARK AGES.

Oh, there are endless more *dominoes* falling, but then I'd be here for weeks, writing 24/7.

Anyone still want Cain and Pain (let's get rid of all the distracting letters) as your God's architect. Or is it beginning to dawn on some of you what hell's architects look like? If you vote for those two, then look in the mirror in a year or so to figure out who was responsible for the destruction of the American Dream
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Bent Lorentzen Sep 15, 2008, 10:25pm EDT
Do we now have to see our children lose the dream that our parents with great pride, love and calm instilled in us, as they pointed to various symbols?

The Statue of Liberty (rusting to nothing when no one can afford to care for her)
Lincoln Memorial (The new address of the US President, since 1600 Pennsylvania Ave couldn't pay its mortgage to Beijing)
Liberty Bell (the crack finally ripped it asunder)
Stars and Stripes (used since no one can afford diapers)
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Bent Lorentzen Sep 15, 2008, 11:04pm EDT
I thought I was going to end my words here?

Must be because I haven't slept for nearly 24 hours.

Bye bye miss American Pie...
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 16, 2008, 12:58am EDT
"Bye bye miss American Pie..."

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 16, 2008, 1:01am EDT
"Don claims he'd vote for Powell or Condi Rice if they were running. That's an easy claim to make since they are NOT running."

What reason do you have to doubt me? Just because Neeetah comes out of the blue and says that it might be me (for no reason other than because) is childish. Grow up.
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Bent Lorentzen Sep 16, 2008, 3:09am EDT
Definitely wouldn't vote for Condi. Lot's of students and former colleagues from where she used to teach are aghast at the idea she might return to Stanford once Bush begins designing his library of lies in Texas.

Despite being the hopefully unwitting mouthpiece of many of those lies, were Powell running against many of the Democrats that fought dirty with Obama, I would seriously consider him. Asked the other day who he supports this time around, he said he was considering both Obama and McCain equally.
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Bent Lorentzen Sep 16, 2008, 3:29am EDT
Don, there aren't any more such isolationist doors left in our globalized world... well, unless you belong to some ego-driven cult - define North Korea or Jim Dobson's ministry - or find a cave somewhere. But then, that's what you are yearning for, to be honest, isn't it?

A dark place filled with shadows.

See, words like yours help make it more real that Obama will win this election...

Keep coming with them...

It breaks my heart to hear you defecate them out, but nothing in my life has given me greater satisfaction than to help transform crap into the fertile compost that makes beautiful things grow in the sun, both in the literal and the metaphoric sense.
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Bent Lorentzen Sep 16, 2008, 3:30am EDT
I'm curious you write this way in contrast to your self-defined gender identification.

Are you for real?
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Rude D. Sep 16, 2008, 8:28am EDT
No more stupid presidents?
Almost the bottom of his class! No way!
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Karen G. Sep 16, 2008, 9:13am EDT
McSame is a guy with a famous father like Bush, poor student like Bush,Republican like Bush,lots of money like Bush, record of voting for big oil like Bush,poor environmental record lile Bush, cheated on his wife, what else do you need to know? Against national Health care
What else do you need to know?? Vote Obama please, please...This country can not afford another Republican president.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 16, 2008, 9:21am EDT
McCain is the only sensible choice. Obama does not have enough experience, he will raise taxes, try to socialize health care and he will be weak on foreign policy. We can not gamble on the messiah... VOTE MCCAIN!
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Clark Kent Sep 16, 2008, 11:35am EDT
"Barack Obama getting the most donations from Fannie Mae"

Since when was it illegal to receive donations from private citizens, moron? Let's see you back this LIE up, mmmmk?

Btw, McBush employs lobbyists who worked on behalf of these two companies to craft the very rightwing legisltation that led to their collapse. Oooopsies. Guess you weren't aware of that, were you? Sorry. More of those harsh little fact thingys for you to ignore. Ouch.




"Explain to me exactly what policies Bush signed into law that destroyed the economy. I love to listen to people who know nothing about economics to explain this. "

You're a complete idiot. I love to listen to morons pretend that they know anything about anything, and then make idiotic comments to prove that they, in fact, know nothing.

Bush has orchestrated MANY of the policies that have brought us this latest republiCON recession/depression, not the least of which was handing massive tax welfare handouts to millionaires while at the same time crippling the nation with the astonishing debt that comes from massively exploding the size of the federal government. Record deficits virtually every year since he stole office, to the point where, by the time he is finally thrown to the streets, the $5 trillion in republiCON debt that was being chipped away at by Clinton's economics policies, will have grown to a staggering $10 trillion, with no end in sight.

The effects of this massive republiCON debt have been crushing, not only to our treasury and oru nation's future, but to our very national security, since foreign nations hold this debt in the form of treasury notes. The moment that one of them decides to cash in, we collapse and become a third world debtor nation. Nice work, Booshie.

We now are beginning to see the effects of 8 horrific years of disastrous Booshie mismanagement of the economy, in the form of increased joblessness, higher interest rates, soaring inflation, and the utter collapse of America's financial and real estate markets. Thanks, Booshie.

Hey, I know! Let's all vote for 4 more years of the same! That'll be awesome, won't it? Yeah! Let's have another four years of the failed policies that have brought us to the brink of economic collapse! McBush and his economics advisor Phil Gramm, who is the Godfather of today's banking and mortgage meltdown, are JUST the ticket we need to finally finish this nation off, once and for all!





"Obama has equally smeared McCain, after he finished smearing Hillary
Poliwonk USA, Sep 15, 2008, 9:35pm EDT "

Right. I guess that's why every paper and political pundit with any degree of credibility in the country has said the exact opposite. Do you wingnuts EVER even bother to briefly touch down in reality land, or do you just drift around with your heads up your asses in la-la land, 24-7?
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Clark Kent Sep 16, 2008, 11:40am EDT
"McCain is the only sensible choice."

Absolutely. I can't think of any one who would bring about the complete collapse of this nation faster. If you truly hate this nation and cannot wait to see her destroyed, McBush is definitely your guy.




"Obama does not have enough experience,"

He does truly lack in experience with corrupt lobbyists, and in failing at life in general, that's true. Again, if we're going to succeed in destroying this nation, we simply cannot afford to risk an Obama presidency. He will NOT bring about the collapse that we're looking for.




" he will raise taxes,"

On those earning above $250,000 per year. Those earning above $603,000 will REALLY get nailed ($45,000 per year, average).




" try to socialize health care"

Which 80% of the population WANTS. How DARE he be a candidate for the people, for a change?




" and he will be weak on foreign policy."

Because, was we all know by now, nothing says "Strong" more than aggressively attacking nations that pose us no threat whatsoever, while letting America's REAL threats go unchallenged.




" We can not gamble on the messiah"

Wait a minute...I thought you were FOR Palin? Have you changed your position?
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Clark Kent Sep 16, 2008, 12:01pm EDT
Btw, anybody still clueless enough to swallow the McBush lie that Obama will "raise your taxes," should be aware that even Faux "news" has called him on this whopper. When rightwing propagandists are even saying that you lie too much, you're in big trouble.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/15/kelly-bounds-taxes/
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Steph D. Sep 16, 2008, 3:14pm EDT
I still think, when it all comes right down to it, the people will choose experience over someone who needs on-the-job-training.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 16, 2008, 8:47pm EDT
"Those earning above $603,000 will REALLY get nailed ($45,000 per year, average)."

Clown... You obviously are stuck in the 5 figure salary because you have no clue how much they take even under the Bush tax rates, let alone Obama....

$603,000 would be taxed at 39.6% under Obama: $239,000/year.... or $20,000/month.... or $666/day.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 16, 2008, 8:48pm EDT
$666/day in taxes! That's more than you make in two weeks Clarky!
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Sep 16, 2008, 9:04pm EDT
"Btw, anybody still clueless enough to swallow the McBush lie that Obama will "raise your taxes," should be aware that even Faux "news" has called him on this whopper."

Actually Clark, Obama initially stated he would raise taxes on those making $100k or more. When that pig did not fly he changed it to $250k. That is the truth. Second, as Tucker state, Obama has only a record of raising taxes any chance he gets. Also, even if he raises taxes on those making $250k, that includes many small businesses -- and that hurts the people employed by those small businesses.

Lastly, Obama can make all the promises he wants, but that does not mean he will get a bill... BUT... and this is where McCain is telling the truth -- and it is the most probable scenario: all Obama has to do is let the Bush Tax Cuts expire and they automatically roll back to the Clinton tax rate and EVERYBODY will have their taxes go up.

But keep spinning....
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Douglas Erisman Sep 16, 2008, 9:24pm EDT
Don,

Even if you cling to the economy as your so-called proof that I should vote for McCain, what about:

Health Care - have you even researched the Obama/McCain health care reforms?

International/Foreign relations - I actually think it is important that the world is accepting of our choice for president, and they want Obama. Diplomacy is 95% and military action is 5%. I'll go with the obvious choice.

Corporate Responsibility - yes, it may hurt, but it's time to hold abusive corps accountable

Social Services - Medicaid/Medicare/Social Security - really?? Any doubt who wants to do the same thing the banks and mortgage companies tried. The Bush soon to be McCain plan will "privatize" your Social Security. Sounds good, right? Hmmm....what if we had done that 8 years ago and they took your money and invested it and you took the rest and invested it? Not a good solution.

Human rights - Conservatives can't win here, EVER!!!
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ALIENAMERICAN .COM Sep 17, 2008, 1:50am EDT
Why do Americans vote for communists? Disgusting. Ask the Cubans how it going for them?
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Jeanne O'Neill Sep 17, 2008, 1:48pm EDT
I am voting for Sarah because she is the first non silver spoon fed candidate to run in my lifetime and if she and McCain work together she will be tremendous influence because she knows what its really like to grow up in normal America, work normal jobs then succeed to politics.
Nothing OBAMA can say will make his glimpse of reality stronger than the person who can really influence change.
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Douglas Erisman Sep 17, 2008, 7:39pm EDT
Maybe you are right Jeanne.

But, what if she is actually overcompensating for being a successful, conservative, working mother by alienating the majority of women who still are stay-at-home moms or single mothers?

What if her policies or core beliefs actually infringe on the rights of the majority of people who struggle to make ends meet?

Then you have voted for Palin under false pretenses.
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Mariana T. Sep 17, 2008, 9:32pm EDT
Obama has already won - now, will he be president - that's another issue...I can't believe anyone would consider voting for Palin - what a sad joke. Salud
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Eric S Sep 18, 2008, 7:55am EDT
What has BHO done to gain any support for his campaign?

What has BHO accomplished, not talked about, not promised , not vaguely pronounced, but what has he actually done?

Give me some big and solid accomplishment to back-up the adoration.
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Douglas Erisman Sep 18, 2008, 7:47pm EDT
Eric,

First, the burden of proof lies within the Republican party to show what they will actually do that's different.

Second, there is plenty of proof the Democrats have a different approach to economics and it has proven to be as effective if not more so than the other side.

Third, as far as Obama is concerned, what are you exactly looking for?......

*majored in political science with a specialization in international relations.

*graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he served as president of the Harvard Law Review.

*taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004

*directed Illinois's Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive with a staff of 10 and 700 volunteers and which achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African-Americans in the state

*joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996

*supported Republican Governor Ryan's payday loan regulations and predatory mortgage lending regulations aimed at averting home foreclosures

*delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston, Massachusetts

*introduced two initiatives bearing his name: "Lugar–Obama," which expanded the Nunn–Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons,[59] and the "Coburn–Obama Transparency Act," which authorized the establishment of www.USAspending.gov

*sponsored a law increasing tax credits for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for childcare

*helped create legislation to control conventional weapons and to promote greater public accountability in the use of federal funds.

*he helped create legislation regarding lobbying and electoral fraud, climate change, nuclear terrorism, and care for returned U.S. military personnel.

*worked as a community organizer for three years from June 1985 to May 1988 as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side

*held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs through December 2006

*became Chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs
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Douglas Erisman Sep 18, 2008, 7:48pm EDT
I should say that this is from WIKIPEDIA if you would like to look it up
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The Preacher of Dune Sep 19, 2008, 12:38am EDT
I see a lot of interesting, intelligent and well written opinions here. I also see a lot of idiots expelling flatulence out their mouths. What I see mostly, however, is a large number of people walking right into the trap set for them by the powers that be.
The government of this nation, like the government of every nation, is a beast with two faces. It has it's figureheads, the puppets who appear to have the power and run things, and the puppet masters, who really decide what happens. Most people don't know the names of the true powers, thought Dick Cheney and Karl Rove undoubtedly rank among them. They hide in the shadows and pull the strings and gather more power and wealth to themselves while they laugh at how easy it is to keep us all oblivious.
We sit here and argue and fight about rhetoric and nonsensical minutia, and that is just what is expected of us. It is why only an idiot or an idealist would really want to be President of the United States. Only rarely does a true leader take the office. The current President is not one of them.
There was a time when I supported George W. Bush. I argued in his defense. I ignored his failings. I made excuses for his mistakes. But no longer. Now, I simply pity the poor man. And this is why:
For those of us possessing any leave of intelligence, who have actually listened to the man speak, objectively without filtering his words through the polarized filters of American politics, it is clear that he is not the brightest man in the world. Quite the contrary. If his C-average MBA, bought and paid for by his father, from Yale was not support enough for this, then simply compare him to his brother Jeb, who is obviously far more intelligent. Simply put. George W. Bush is (come on conservative republicans, I can hear you screaming denials already but you know in your heart of hearts that it is true) an idiot.
We all know he is an idiot. We all laugh a Bush jokes (or get angry at them because we know they're funny, but can't bring ourselves to laugh because we voted for him once or twice....formerly guilty on this point myself). Everyone knows it's going on. Even George himself has to know. That is why it is funny and sad at the same time. That is why I pity George W. Bush.
Imagine what it must be like to be President Bush. He would have to be a REAL moron to not know that he isn't he brightest guy in the world. He would have to be dumber than a box of rocks to be oblivious to the fact that his people, and the whole world, know that he is less intelligent than than average. He would have to be completely brain-dead not to know that we would all realize this and, as soon as he made the smallest of mistakes, sieze upon it and take our displeasures about the negative events in the world out on him.
He knows all this. He sits in the White House at night and knows that we all know he's dumb. He knew going into the job that we would know. He knew going into the Job that we would make fun of him. And that makes it funnier, and sadder still. Because he walked right into it, fully aware of what he was doing.
Now, I did not point this out to bash poor President Bush. I pointed it out, because, it's what the powers in the shadows want us to do. We focus on Bush and Dick Cheney and the ones really pulling the strings get free reign to do whatever they want. When we start looking too closely at what is really going on, then someone points at Bush, we blame him and all have a good laugh at how stupid he is (or in the case of those who like him, get angry at and focus on the ones pocking fun at their boy George.
I believe there are Three kinds of Presidents that serve in office:
There are the rare kinds. Like Washington, Lincoln, the Roosevelts, Eisenhower and Kennedy who are exceptional leaders. They lead this country through times of great unrest. Face a true test during a national crisis. Leave office with our kind thoughts and we willingly overlook the negatives about them. But if their ideas are too extreme for the time, then they become Martyrs; some even before they get a chance to take or even run for office (JFK, MLK Jr.)
Others are intelligent men, but not great leaders. They tend to have lackluster Presidencies and enact hit-or-miss policies. They survive by selecting a vice president to take the heat off of them. Like George H. W. Bush choosing Dan Quail or Truman choosing Alben Barkley (who is possibly most famous for his last words "I would rather be a servant in the House of the Lord than to sit in the seats of the mighty." which he spoke on the floor of the U.S. Senate just moments before dropping dead of a massive heart attack).
Then there are the scapegoat presidents Like George W. Bush, who is there to take the heat off of Cheney.
I know that McCain is the second type. That is why he chose Sarah "The pit bull with lipstick" Palin. She serves to rally the super-conservative base (the fools who think that abortion and gay marriage are actually real issues) and serves to distract the people and his opponent from him and his lack of substance on the issues (the only stance of his I'm certain of is "Drill, Baby, Drill" and his support of Nuclear power over funding research for clean, renewable alternatives. And his insistence on letting lobbyists run his campaign).
I'm not certain which type Obama is yet. Is he the First type? A visionary leader? Or is he a type three. A scapegoat for the democratic party that will rise of fall on the success of the democratic congresses policies? I don't doubt his credentials or his intelligence. I sometimes question his sincerity and principles. Especially when I see him behaving in a manner that seems to contradict his stated principles (such as the source of some of his campaign contributions). Other times I applaud his character, like when he put down those who shamelessly attacked Sarah Palin's poor daughter (Shame on them, may Shai-Hulud take their water!). The only thing I'm certain of is that Joe Biden was a wise pick, who will complement and supplement him in area's he is weak in, in ways that Palin barely does for McCain (his lack of conservative cred. that's about it).
But in the end, does it truly matter. We, as a people, tend to look at the government with an us-them mentality. We forget that the type of government doesn't truly matter, be it a republic, democracy, socialism, communism, monarchy or a totalitarian despotism. What matters is the character of those who exercise power and drive policy. It is possible to have a benevolent dictator or monarch just as a tyrannical democratically elected president is possible.
The power is in the hands of the wealthy elite. It rests firmly with then money. And all the money cares about is making more money. They are greedy animals not humans (see my posts "The Animal: Man" and "The Choke Chain: Patriotism") and they care nothing for the suffering of the people of this nation. They only try to keep us from being so unhappy that we revolt, which is our right and duty if we feel they have gone to far ("The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed, from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson, Third President of the United States of America); but that is a course not to be entered into lightly, and I do not believe the time has come yet; though at this rate, it may be within our lifetime.
It is the responsibility of the people to make their voice heard. Though neither candidate will be able to make any drastic changes, the choice before the country is a matter of direction. As I see it, Obama is a symbol of the future. McCain is a symbol of the past. Hyperbole aside, this is the choice before us. Do we take a step forward toward a future that is frightening and may be either good or bad? Or, do we embrace the old and familiar and turn from the future until a later date? Only we, the people, can decide.