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by David K.
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April 29, 2007

Je pense donc je suis

September 12, 2008 11:55 AM EDT (Updated: November 24, 2009 03:28 PM EST)
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Cogito ergo sum.

Rene Descartes originally wrote, "Je pense donc je suis" in his native French in Discourse on Method (1637).  He later uses a Latin version including "Cogito ergo sum" in the Principles of Philosophy (1644).

I think therefore I am.

I've thinking about this phrase a lot lately.  It has been used and misused many times, paraphrased to make completely different points on other occasions, and largely, I fear, ignored.

I wonder sometimes how much most of us think.  We seem so intent to go through life doing what we always do, even when we have been complaining that we don't want to do it that way any more.  We parrot talking points without stopping to think for one second if there is any veracity to the point being parroted.  Worse, we parrot them even when they have been proven to be false.  Still worse, we parrot them even when they make absolutely zero sense, logically or in any other way.

In other words, we don't think.

I'm sure that some people have already stopped reading this article. This to a large degree supports my very thesis.  They simply do not want to think.  Thinking is hard, and requires taking responsibility for our actions, our decisions, and our words.

There are others who are on the verge of labeling this as merely the pedantic musings of a self-absorbed intellectual elitist.  I thank them for getting this far and ask that they stay a little longer and take to heart the point that I'm hoping to get across with this piece.

My point, of course, is that I am deeply concerned that we appear to have decided that thinking is a bad thing.  That we appear to take pride in ignorance.  Think for a second. What is ignorance?  It is not so much the lack of knowledge, for we can never know everything.  Rather it is the willful refusal to acquire knowledge.  The more information we have, the more we must evaluate, assimilate, and integrate it into our thinking.  In other words, the more we know the harder it is to think through the information, and the harder it is to make an informed decision.

Herein lies the problem.  We all have our daily lives...our work, our family, our faith, our priorities...and it is easier to simply go with the flow.  Changing our routines, built over years of rote learning, is seen as disruptive.  More information simply takes more time to assimilate.  And so we avoid more information.  It's too hard to think.  It takes too much time.

Which is why the "sound bite" generation has taken hold.  We "don't have the time" to watch an entire interview, so we seek a sound bite to latch on to as "representative information."  Unfortunately, as I discovered through a year of posting quotes by Abraham Lincoln, single lines taken out of context can easily be interpreted differently.  They can easily be seen to support the viewers positions even when the point the speaker was making is diametrically opposite. And since information may show differently than what we are predisposed to believe, assimilating it can be hard.  Sometimes it requires us to rethink our previous conceptions.  It requires us to think. Therefore we tend to focus on those sound bites that appear to support our predetermined view.  The networks dutifully feed us the sound bites we want to hear.

And we accept them without thinking.

The trick, of course, is to stop long enough to think.  Sites like Gather allow people to create our own sound bites.  Most articles are short, because people tend not to be able to focus long enough to actually read the more informative ones.  Our comments are often short as well, and too often they reflect the predetermined opinions, biases, and even prejudices of the commenter and have nothing to do with the article itself.  Often the commenters don't even read the article, including the short ones.  We prefer simply to parrot our favorite line without thinking.

Needless to say I thank anyone who has read this far. I suspect that only a few people would be curious enough at the foreign title to click on the article in the first place.  And of those who did come here, I suspect only a small percentage will read the entire post.

I'll conclude with a plea for all of us to think a little more.  Let us break away from the sound bite mentality.  Let us stop...long enough to question what we see and hear and read.  Don't take everything (or perhaps anything) at face value.  Think about what the question meant - was it a "gotcha" question like "Do you still beat your wife?" in which no answer can be made.  Think about the answer - was it a simple parroting of the talking point...or did it show that the person understood the multiple viewpoints and deeper ramifications of the issue?

Let us all take just a little bit of time to think.

I think therefore I am.

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Comments: 111

Sandra T. Sep 12, 2008, 12:03pm EDT
I actually did not know that Descartes wrote this in French before his latin using of I think therefore I am. I clicked on your post because I know French (a little) and I was interested in what you had to say by the title. I tend to agree with you. You especially hit home with me about "That we appear to take pride in ignorance....It is not so much the lack of knowledge, for we can never know everything. Rather it is the willful refusal to acquire knowledge." I find that many people are too lazy to seek knowledge anymore and rely on others to spoon feed it to them whether or not it is true.

We are more concerned, I'm afraid, as to whether such and such celebrity is pregnant with whose baby than with what really should be thought about. Thanks for a brief glimpse of thought from another human being.
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Kay M. Sep 12, 2008, 12:04pm EDT
Great article David. I couldn't agree more.
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Oxnard Oasis Sep 12, 2008, 12:05pm EDT
This is an interesting take on Descartes' most famous philosophical argument. Do you know what Descartes was trying to prove with his "Cogito ergo sum"?
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Ryan M. Sep 12, 2008, 12:06pm EDT
Great article
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Peter Joseph Swanson Sep 12, 2008, 12:07pm EDT
Good article !!!
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Wilma D. Sep 12, 2008, 12:15pm EDT
Good article David. I was reading about the roots anti-intellectualism in America and they go way back. Do you think it's a particlarly American thing. To act without thinking is considered strongand decisive, but if you take a moment to think things over, you're weak and ineffectual. Brashness is prized but introspection is denigrated.
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Paul M. Sep 12, 2008, 12:19pm EDT
Duh? You lost me there.
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 12:23pm EDT
Wilma - What you say about "decisive" vs "pensive" is very true, and very dangerous. Many a warrior running first into battle was the first killed...and accomplished nothing.
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Carla G. Sep 12, 2008, 12:27pm EDT
An excellent point, David, and right on. I did read it through and I appreciate you offering it up to us Gatherites.
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Elise w. Sep 12, 2008, 12:29pm EDT
David, I am happy to be one of the few. This is one of the best articles I've read in quite a while. I agree with you 100%. I think people, in general, assume way to much. When someone is talking we should not be standing there trying to think of a good response, but really think about what they're saying. Absorb it and then think about it. A quick response is not always the best route. Thinking seems to be a lost art these days.

Do you think I'm thinking on the right track here? I think I am. I think you are. I am always thinking. I'm a thinker of many thinks. What do you thunk? :-)

Very very good! I give you an award of 10 golden stars.
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lemzo n Sep 12, 2008, 12:35pm EDT
thanks for sharing and by doing so you bring the past. I remember when my last year in high school, our prof enter the class and put it right on the board: "cogito ergo sum"?that waour essay for that semester. "Je pense donc je suis", one of my pal interpreted this way: That's what what make Philosophy" sa raison d'etre".
Thanks again
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James T. Sep 12, 2008, 12:43pm EDT
I have lots of time to think and I read everything I can and learning has been a way of life for me...I've read in my lifetime over 10,000 books and I know nothing but that I am well read...I know that I can't know everything and to know that makes me want to know more...I question why someone said what they did, why the sound bite mentality has taken over our country...and as you said about ignorance so many think or lack of thinking believe that is the best way to go through life...

I want to know...I want to learn...I do not accept that anyone can not learn or think but then so many prove me wrong every day...at one time I wrote to most of my friends letters, not short one page letters but ten, twenty, more likely forty page letters...now I rarely write to anyone unless it is to someone I know will really take the time to read it.

I realize most of the time when I answer a question on Gather in a comment most will not take the time to read what I have to say as they are more interested in what they have to write than in anyone else's opinion, but I write it any way because I have held it in all my life...as a cop we could not give our own opinions as we were supposed to be neutral in all things. I held in what I felt, what I thought other than in writing to my family, mostly my sister who threatened to make a book of my forty plus page letters to her one day.

I don't want a sound bite I want the meat of what the whole thing is and let me form my own opinion of the matter. Don't try to give me my opinion on a plater ready made to suite your own ends. I will go beyond what you try to give me and look it up on my own which so many never do...like so many of the petitions emailed around about things which if they would take the time to look up they would find them to be rumors, scams etc. It only takes a minute to find out the truth. Unfortunately most can't or will not take the time to look it up themselves, they let others make their decisions for them...

:O\
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Maurice K. Sep 12, 2008, 12:44pm EDT
An excellent article, one that I thoroughly enjoyed reading. It spoke to me on many levels.
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 12:45pm EDT
Thanks Elise. Maybe if we gave more awards for thinking...

(and I'll be chuckling for a while with your think, thank, thunk, thought....)
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 12:52pm EDT
I hear you James. I must admit that I get easily distracted myself, but when I comment I have a tendency to leave, well, let's say, long comments (and apparently a lot of commas and parethetical remarks). I haven't decided if it is because of convoluted thinking, inability to present my argument concisely, or just simply that I like to type. :)

I envy your book reading. There is always so much to learn. Even fluff novels teach us to think between the lines, anticipate the future, use our minds to create background for the characters beyond what the authors provide. Alas, I fear too many don't read enough.
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 12:55pm EDT
Oxnard and Sandra - Descartes was a thinker on many levels (as Maurice says). He was a physicist, mathematician, philosopher (and apparently independently wealthy). I suspect Wikipedia and other sources can give you some good background on him.
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Bill Lawrence Sep 12, 2008, 12:58pm EDT
Nicely done, David. The refusal to go below the surface is the reason (sorry: raison) I am posting so many FactCheck articles. Anyone can go to that site and subscribe to their non-partisan analyses, but I doubt that many do. It also explains the McCain strategy of releasing ad after ad repeating false statements. They know that people will not usually take time to check them out: they'll either believe them or dismiss them out of hand. Facts don't enter into it in many cases.

Americans have always seen themselves as 'doers' rather than 'thinkers.' That's for Europeans. It has a good side and a not-so-good side.
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Kathy N. Sep 12, 2008, 1:01pm EDT
Most people think. It's what they think about and why that shapes their lives. For many in America they focus on what effects them most. Whether it be budget, safety or multitude of other issues important to them. Because we have different perceptions of the same issue out opinions and decisions differ. Many people can read the same article and come up with completely different view points and who's to say one is wrong and one is right. We're free to interpret each issue and that freedom has now divided the country.
Just because someone thinks his issue requires deep thought and once that is achieved everyone will realize he was right is just part of the problem. Why not respect a persons right to chose rather than belittle them for not believing as you do; accusing them of not thinking the issue through. That is the real problem
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Dan E. Sep 12, 2008, 1:01pm EDT
LOL!!
This coming from a person who has skillfully used soundbites of his own to mischaracterize the truth to put people he doesn't agree with in a bad light.

The hypocrisy of the left.
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 1:04pm EDT
That's a good example Bill. So many people here post articles touting "new evidence" of some inflammatory story - even months after that story has been shown to be bunk. They don't stop to think for one second that it might be false or true. They don't bother to spend a few minutes to factcheck before publishing something that is slanderous (and false). Yet these same people are quick to scream falsehoods and smears when something is presented that contradicts their particular view - even long after it has been proven to be true. In other words, they don't think.
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 1:04pm EDT
Thanks for making my point Dan.
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 1:16pm EDT
Kathy - I agree with you. People have the right - the obligation - to make their own decisions. The problem is that they often don't.

I agree that we can look at the same facts and legitimately come to different conclusions. The problem is that we often don't think about what the facts really are, especially when they are different from our preconceptions.

I agree that we all think about what is important to us...what affects us most. But so often we don't think about the really important things that affect us.

BTW, at no point do I advocate a particular agenda or position or even an issue in this post. This post is just to encourage people to think in all facets of their lives. Some will do tons of research and think long and hard about what kind of new car to buy, while others will buy a car because it is yellow. We put different priorities on different parts of our lives, and the level of thinking is reflective of that priority. The ramifications of choosing one car or another are fairly innocuous. The ramifications of other decisions are much more important, perhaps even life-threatening. Obviously we should think more about the important issues than the unimportant ones. This is not always the case.
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Sarah (can't believe the year's over) G. Sep 12, 2008, 1:18pm EDT
Je ne suis pas épousé à une femme
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Sarah (can't believe the year's over) G. Sep 12, 2008, 1:24pm EDT
In my opinion, the more concrete you are about a particular opinion most likely you are the least educated on that topic.
Racism would be a fine example.
I have found that the more I learn, the less I do know. Rather, I should say the more I learn, the more I know that there is almost always multiple truths.
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Sarah (can't believe the year's over) G. Sep 12, 2008, 1:33pm EDT
There is also a culture of ignorance in this country. I am not sure when it began, but it has become pervasive.
It really takes hold in our most vulnerable people, adolescents. You can first see that intelligence, questioning of lessons, education, become mocked starting in early middle school. It is also interesting that this takes place when most children are just really starting to develop their own personalities and opinions.
This negative reactionary culture of ignorance is the first to call you a 'nerd' or a 'bookworm' for showing any interest at all in academics or any pursuit of knowledge.
It really only takes a few times for this reactionary negativity to settle in and for most adolescents to BELIEVE that education, knowledge is UNCOOL.
We are then left with mediocrity at best.
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Marilyn M. Sep 12, 2008, 1:34pm EDT
Thanks, David. Sadly, it's not only sound bites that people crave. Some only listen to the headlines, and often headlines are misleading...just to hook you in to hear the rest of the story. When I worked for a newspaper in TX, the headlines were written by the night crew who physically put the paper together. There were so many times that they got the headlines wrong, because they, too, didn't read the whole story.
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Gerry Wass Sep 12, 2008, 1:44pm EDT
A very peaceful alternative to the routine daily fare of Gather. I tend to think that I (and have often been told) think too deeply, but it has served me well in the end. Even so, a gentle reminder to slow down and ponder is valuable and deeply appreciated.
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 1:52pm EDT
Sarah - You open up an interesting line of thought in itself. Is the pursuit of ignorance a generational thing? Certainly you would think that the youth would be the ones most rapidly absorbing new information, then we slowly become entrenched over time in whatever framework we feel comfortable. Yet you suggest that there is peer pressure not to be "uncool" (i.e., too learned) in our youth. I think back to my youth and must admit I was in the nerdy crowd...I just couldn't get enough information (which is probably why I'm addicted to it now).
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 1:58pm EDT
Marilyn - That is a problem. I personally have read so many articles where the headline or title didn't reflect the conclusions of the article at all...in some cases it was exactly the opposite of what the author intended. And in the fast paced 24 hour news cycles of today, the headlines change during the course of the day in order to capture whatever they find attracts the most readers/viewers/clickers. They actually can gauge how many "hits" they get on the online versions of various news outlets. Only a few hits, change the title into something more provocative and move the story closer to the top of the page.

This is why it is so important to think. Everyone out there is trying to sell us something, whether it be Google searches triggering targeted advertising or political campaigns touting their latest message (even if the message is opposite of what it was last week). We need to be able to evaluate the information we get, compare it to information from other sources so we can filter out the inherent source bias, and form our own judgments. This takes thought.
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 2:04pm EDT
Gerry - I appreciate your writing, even when it is over my head. There are a few people here on Gather that I feel write thoughtfully and comprehensively, yourself included. I must admit that I don't read a lot of the creative writing - poetry, short stories, etc. because I don't feel qualified to comment on writing skills I clearly do not have. [As evidenced by the fact that I just ended the last sentence (and this one as well) with the word "have."] So it may be that the actual writers think more deeply than us amateurs. In any case, I agree, a bit more pondering would be a good thing for most of us.
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Lisa J Sep 12, 2008, 2:12pm EDT
Interesting. It is part of what makes me so frustrated with politics. Years ago when I wrote marketing materials at a real estate investment bank, I learned that you could leave out parts of demographics information, change the scale used for graphs, etc., and make any picture look a lot more palatable. Every article I read about any candidate I find myself googling the key words to see what other positions may have said regarding the same incident.

Anyone who believes a lie will live within that delusion, and many accept the lies that are more comfortable rather than confronting truth. That is human nature.
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 2:23pm EDT
I suppose it is human nature, Lisa. Perhaps I expect too much.

As a scientist I see newpaper and internet reports all the time touting the latest scientific discovery, only to see a report the next day that seems to completely contradict it. Yet upon closer examination you can see that the two studies looked at different things in different ways, so you would expect them to be different. Unfortunately, someone then takes the findings and "sound bites" it for public consumption. That sound bite is so overgeneralized (and often biased) that it is impossible to know what the original study even examined, never mind concluded.

We must look at multiple sources of information. We must assimilate it all. We must think.
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Larry M. Sep 12, 2008, 2:23pm EDT
Oxnard Oasis, I believe that Descartes used this statement in his attempt to prove the existence of God by reason alone.

Those who do not think hardly exist at all.

Thinking keeps one slender because it takes a lot of calories.

Thinking is also quite a lot of fun. I do it for recreation.

The factory-prison model of education is not good for thinking or education or the health of the brain or physical health. Schools do punish thinking both formally and informally. The administration, the teachers, and the other students all take a dim view of rational thought. Rational thought makes one question authority. Rational thought leads to difficult questions and lack of uniformity. Rational thought goes against popularity and cliques and snobbery. So each of the powers in a school are dead set against serious thinking.

From looking over the number of comments you drew, David, it seems to me as if there are actually quite a few real thinkers here on Gather. That pleases me.
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Liz [site-Raven] Please critique my poetry. Sep 12, 2008, 2:31pm EDT
So, since there are so many who do “not think” perhaps they do not exist? And then of course we need not think of them, right? I am being a bit facetious here.
Well, I was drawn by the title. French always draws me … for I always wish to know if I can read it. Your article is superb.
Several things:
1. People in the society are taught not to think. The invention of technology has been replacing the need to think.
2. The elevation of the pursuit of the almighty dollar to be the “ought to have goal of too many” has made greed the primary motivating force behind much business. As a result the focus is no longer upon thinking about how to make a better business but instead upon cheating the customer [greed].
3. Selfishness does not allow people to think of others.
I am not sure that I fully agree with your following statements;
“Herein lies the problem. We all have our daily lives...our work, our family, our faith, our priorities...and it is easier to simply go with the flow. Changing our routines, built over years of rote learning, is seen as disruptive. More information simply takes more time to assimilate. And so we avoid more information. It's too hard to think. It takes too much time.”
I say this because manual labor is generally quite routine. When I entered the work force at 13, I did manual labor. It was boring. And! It was a great time to think…to philosophize if you will. I spent much time pondering many things when in a job that required little thinking. I also am not quite sure that more information leads to more thinking. If someone cannot think with the finite amount of information that they possess, why would they choose to think when they acquire more information? I think people generally parrot others because they are mean spirited and myopic.

Thank you David I enjoyed your article and viewpoint.
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Richard Frisbie Sep 12, 2008, 2:31pm EDT
Amazing you were so wrong about the number of people who would read this, but your clever disclaimers about it kept me going to the end. You are always thoughtfully entertaining, David, Thank you.
The most exasperating thing ever said about me (that I can repeat here):
"Every time I think I know what you are going to do, you do something different."

Yeah, thinking isn't overrated, it's underutilized!
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Connie H. Sep 12, 2008, 2:33pm EDT
David - I couldn't agree more. I do think that it is easy for individuals to make up their minds about something, and call it good. Not taking their time to really study the issue and do some research. The truth isn't always an easy thing to find. In fact finding the truth, at times can be a very hard, if it is able to be done at all. But the least people could do is, honestly try to form an educated opinion.
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 2:43pm EDT
"From looking over the number of comments you drew, David, it seems to me as if there are actually quite a few real thinkers here on Gather. That pleases me." (Larry, above)

It pleases me too Larry. As always, I appreciate your comments...and your thinking.
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 2:49pm EDT
And thank you Liz for coming by. While reading your comment it struck me that perhaps the next logical step would be to "think" about what can be done to encourage more people to think more. I've given up on MSM thinking because if they did that they would remove much of the contrived controversy that sells ad space. Bloggers appear to have taken up the role of investigative reporting, but they tend to be pretty far out on either extreme and not particularly objective (though I acknowledge that some bloggers in fact strive for independent thought).

Another issue is that we are inundated with so much information, much of it spurious, that it is difficult to filter out the wheat from the chaff (or is that fact from the tripe). This "information overload" is one reason people retract from thinking. It's just easier.
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 2:50pm EDT
Thanks Richard. Underutilized is right.
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 2:51pm EDT
I very much agree Connie.
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Lyn Owen Sep 12, 2008, 2:53pm EDT
Ah, thinking.
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Larry M. Sep 12, 2008, 2:56pm EDT
My experience has led me to the conclusion that finding the truth is much easier than getting people to listen, understand, try it out, and succeed using that truth.

As a youth sports coach I often tell them what to do and why, have them practice the proper technique, and experience success in practice. Then ithen gnore all that when the game starts. In our last game a player did not slide into second despite both base coaches yelling to slide. He was tagged out. The same thing happened to two other players later in the game. The players were just not thinking. Since I expect this sort of thing I am merely disappointed each time it happens but I sure enjoy a player who learns from the mistakes of others.

People often resent those who think. They complain about a problem and get upset when told how to solve the problem. I think they just like to complain.
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Liz [site-Raven] Please critique my poetry. Sep 12, 2008, 3:07pm EDT
David, thank you. As I have become older I incorporate much of my thinking with "feeling." This does not mean that I respond with a gut-level feeling response. But I am inclined to listen more to my 6th sense and combine that with my thought processes to get from point A to point B.
One other thing to mention is that fear and stress paralyze many. I do believe that this form of paralysis prevents many from thinking. Then too, has thinking been limited in our schools as they are dumbed down? I had no calculator in school. As a result I have NO idea how to use a complicated calculator but today I much prefer to use a common calculator as opposed to adding upon paper. Your comment [damn! David you are requiring me to think] about information overload makes me wonder if and I mean this literally, if this overload limits critical thinking?
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 3:16pm EDT
Larry - First of all, thank you for being a youth sports coach!

In thinking about your baserunning example, a couple of things come to mind. One is that the fast paced pressure of the game does mean the thinking has to happen pretty quickly. In most life situations, however, we have much more time to think things through if we choose to do so. Also, it may be that the baserunners were actually overthinking. Over time these sorts of "choices" become rote memory and occur virtually without thinking (or perhaps just over time we train our brains to think faster).

As for the complaining part, I agree with you - people like to complain. The "action" of complaining/whining makes us think that we are doing something, even if we aren't (e.g., whining to your coworker that you hate your job but not talking to your boss to change something isn't actually going to accomplish anything). So we complain and do nothing. Much easier.
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Oxnard Oasis Sep 12, 2008, 3:24pm EDT
I actually know what Descartes was trying to prove with his "Cogito ergo sum." I just thought that I would ask the author of this great article about how e don't think enough if he knew.
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 3:26pm EDT
Liz - I suppose thinking does take some intuitive guesswork, since we can't usually get all the information needed. I also agree that stress can paralyze us. I admit that I get "stressed out" and it's hard to make a decision (though so far I guess I've made enough to stay employed). I think my problem is that I over think things.

Regarding the information overload, I do think that is part of the "paralysis" that you mention. We just can't handle all the information. This is especially problematic because much of the information is contradictory or (especially in politics) bogus. It's hard enough to figure out what is real information to begin with, never mind assimilate it.
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 3:29pm EDT
Sorry Oxnard for not answering your earlier question in depth. I didn't want to get too far off into Descartes' philosophy (in part because it has been a while since I actually read Descartes). I merely was appropriating his well known line as an entre into my own thinking piece.
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donna h. Sep 12, 2008, 3:54pm EDT
I thought I was going to have to send this to my daughter to translate!
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Sy g. Sep 12, 2008, 4:42pm EDT
I find thinking to be relaxing, fun, productive and invigorating. Its true that it takes time, at least to do it right, but its worth it. I have been told that thinking aslo keeps one young.

I think your point about attitudes toward thinking in our country is interesting, but anti-intellectualism is not new. Adlai Stevenson in 1956 was accused of being an egghead. As opposed to Eisenhower the general (which is ironic, since Ike was a very thoughtful warrior). We seem to go through phases of hating and loving the idea of thinking.

I echo everyone's comments here related to praising you for posting this piece, David. You are of course, one of the real guides on Gather, with your tales of Europe, Lincoln and other things. We salute you, and look forward to many more of your thoughts.
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G T. Sep 12, 2008, 4:52pm EDT
I agree, that Americans, as a whole, probably need to "think" more. Especially when it comes to certain topics...

Although I also think most of us are also probably overloaded with so much information, (as well as over-chaotic, over-worked, over-stressed lives) we're experiencing some "burn out", as well...which is somewhat understandable.

At the very least, most of us should probably start trying to get some information, from somewhere besides the television set!

GT
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 5:04pm EDT
Sy - I'm not sure if I'm relieved that this anti-intellectual thing isn't new, or more worried.

I am relieved to discover that so many people on this site actually do think. In retrospect, it really isn't a surprise to me because all of the people who have commented have been friends who have commented before on my posts...and on whose posts I have commented.

Which reminds me to make sure I comment more. :)
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 5:06pm EDT
GT - Agreed. I'm sure many of us are overloaded, though for others I think they just aren't trying.

I'm all for James' idea (about 10 comments from the top above) - reading 10,000 books!!
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Rhetta A. Sep 12, 2008, 5:15pm EDT
The number of comments here seems to prove that more people are willing to take time to think than you supposed. I am always trying to find time to read and learn more, and I believe that for many people it's not a lack of desire that keeps them from reading the longer posts but simply a lack of time. I know that that is certainly my problem.
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Chick J. Sep 12, 2008, 5:22pm EDT
Your title threw me. The only reason I read it because it was by David K. : - } I enjoy it and like all the well (mostly) thought out replies. This is why I like reading comments in Gather. There are lots of people who use their minds.
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 5:41pm EDT
Rhetta - Yes, I'm pleasantly surprised. And I must admit that lack of time is a legitimate issue for not reading longer posts. Gather can be rather addicting and I find that I feel guilty after a while, since I have so much else I'm supposed to be doing (including right now).
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 5:42pm EDT
I'm honored Chick. And there are definitely some good, thoughtful people here, as the comments to this post have proven.
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Charles Temm JR Sep 12, 2008, 5:53pm EDT
A major problem for many people is that those who do not agree with them just obviously don't think at all.
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 6:36pm EDT
Charles - Disagreements are fine, and inevitable. It's just when an "opinion" is based on obvious talking points that it shows a lack of thinking. If positions can be supported then it is clear the person thought enough to provide factual information, and here on Gather, links.
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David K. Sep 12, 2008, 6:36pm EDT
Miss Havisham - Good one! :)
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Wanda H. Sep 12, 2008, 8:01pm EDT
I have always found that there is a segment of society that doesn't think. I don't it is anything to do with socialogical bias, I believe that we born the way we are and we think or we don't. My family as far back as I have traced it, wasn't prone to well-educated, deep thinkers. I am not well-educated but I tend to think deeply about issues, suss out my own position on any issue and accept my own actions as being solely my own. I am, like James, very well read but then I find another book I need to read. It never ends, the seeking for knowledge, not for me. I won't live long enough to know all I want

I enjoyed reading this article, David. I'm glad to be one of the few to read it all the way through to the end. ;o) But I have found that I have an extended attention span.
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Soozan & The Pookah S. Sep 12, 2008, 9:17pm EDT
KUDOS! David,

It is time to think now more than ever. I was ruminating about the way forward last night when I was watching re-plays of the 9/11 footage and comments people made at the time. MSNBC replayed 3 hours of the original coverage as the incidents were unfolding. The History channel had a program entitled "102 Minutes that Changed our Lives." This program was very interesting because it broadcast the comments and reaction of New Yorkers. The film was made by independent film makers.

I said all that because I kept thinking: If we knew then what we know now!!!

How many of us cheered the attack on Iraq at the time because of the way it was sold to all of us including the press? How many of us cheered the extra security checks at the airports because we thought it was making us safer and because our long wait in the line at the airport was a small sacrifice we had to make for the safety of America? How many of us looked at Middle Eastern "appearing: people with suspicion and derision? How many of us "blindly" turned out trust and our saftey over to an Administration whose show of "strength" was comforting?

If we knew then.....
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Soozan & The Pookah S. Sep 12, 2008, 9:24pm EDT
Education - Since I have some experience in that area, I must sadly agree with the writer who chose to fault our educational system, in part. In part, I have to agree. Today, teachers and principals are under a great deal of pressure to raise the achievement levels of their students as measured by standardized tests. Teachers "think" they are doing the child and the school a favor by prepping children for these tests. In my school district, teachers must spend the first 6 weeks of the school year "reviewing and practicing" for the test. Not actual items, mind you. But teachers teach "basic skills." Believe me, there is no critical thinking necessary when taking multiple choice items tests for 4 full days.
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Debra C. Sep 13, 2008, 12:29am EDT
This is an interesting discussion, and considering the election season, timely.

The next step is listening ... integral to thinking. Listening to others ... and listening to self.
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David K. Sep 13, 2008, 1:58am EDT
About education, I am only willing to partially blame education. Admittedly, the schools are where we supposedly learn to think, and it is fair to question whether they do that sufficiently these days.

But all people have the information readily available and the intellect necessary to think. We choose not to. Blaming "our educational system" is merely another facet in not taking responsibility for our actions. We have all the tools, we just don't use them.
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David K. Sep 13, 2008, 1:59am EDT
Debra - Ah, listening. Such a lost art.
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lea and... c. Sep 13, 2008, 9:36am EDT
Good start but the angle you took was not Descartes goal.

Thinking it is not enough unless you learn early on to be an independent thinker.

The great failure has been not to foster independent thinking.

Studies have been done and the results are dysmal....

People have combined 'wild free and scary' versus ''safe domesticated and cuddly'' and prefer the safe model.

My father was ignorant yet he was ''wise, ntelligent and kind, truthful and caring.

He was also courageous and an independent thinker.

The lack of common sense among educated and uneducate in America stems from an ideology of repression of instinct versus culture.

A lack of desire for independence of spirit and a desire to join.


Those who do have an open mind are considered to be out there...and immediately pegged or boxed in .

To grow we have to be open minded, independent thinkers and do not fall prey of nationalistic pride..

In the end too much reading leads to confusion for some.
I reccomend a good does of healthy wariness about any news.
Listen carefully and judge the listener truthfulness.
Use common sense and stand by your principles..but if you do not have any then you can hardly stand to say ... I think therefore I am...
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JoAnne D. Sep 13, 2008, 10:16am EDT
How do you say "What was I thinking?"
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David K. Sep 13, 2008, 10:18am EDT
How about: Qu'est-ce que je pensais?
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David K. Sep 13, 2008, 10:22am EDT
Very good advice Lea. Overall I think there is a distinct lack of critical thinking, though I'm happy that so many of the critical thinkers that do exist decided to stop by to this post.
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Kerry Dexter Sep 13, 2008, 10:23am EDT
David,
just reading your article after listening to Krista Tippett's Speaking of Faith episode on the mind body connections of yoga, learning, and spiritual growth. Different approaches to the same issues, in a way.
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Andrea (Ms. Conservative) L. Sep 13, 2008, 11:38am EDT
I like your article. I think it is great that you want people to think, and take the time to think before they spout off their comments. However, you do realize this is America we are talking about and the "me" generations since the 60's are not going to change overnight, correct? Americans are used to having their own way and having it right now. That's partially what's wrong with our society. And without getting partisan on you, I am going to shut up now.
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Joe T. Sep 13, 2008, 12:40pm EDT
Thinking is what brains do. It takes the effort of deciding what to think about that leads to effective thinking. Great article, David. I believe that it important to recognize that it is the thinking process that makes us different from other species. It is the elixer of life.
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Chris W. Sep 13, 2008, 1:14pm EDT
I shouldn't go here, but I have to say that political slogans strike me as an example of what you are discussing, intellectual laziness. "Make my day", "drill now, drill everywhere", "bridge to the 21st century" it makes me tired when people try to boil down concepts that are lengthy into statements that are five words or less. What is wrong with understanding something completely? How do you talk about Iraq without knowing the difference between a Shiite and a Sunni?

On the topic of thinking, I was even unhappy with "Blink", the bestselling book by Malcolm Gladwell, in which he argued that it is quite possible to make a snap decision that is better than a decision that would take time. Doubtless it is possible, on rare occasions. On other occasions, such decisions get you into trouble so deep that it takes thousands of lives and a trillion bucks to get you back out.
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David K. Sep 13, 2008, 1:34pm EDT
Chris - I agree with you. If it fits on a bumper sticker it's not thinking.

The "Blink" reference is intriguing. Some people think that Sarah Palin was channeling Gladwell in her response to Charlie Gibson's question about whether she hesitated when asked to be VP. Based on the rest of her answers I think that gives her way too much credit. But even if she was thinking "Blink," she got it all wrong.

Gladwell's premise is built on the functioning of a trained mind. Not some snap judgment based on ignorance - that's called prejudice. But a split-second decision based on training the mind to filter and evaluate the key parameters instantaneously when faced with a new situation. It's not so much an uninformed (gut) decision, but an informed decision sped up in time so that it appears you could think without thinking. Gladwell's examples are trained professionals ranging from gamblers to firemen to sports stars to divorce attorneys. These people are trained for what to look for, and thus can speed up the thought processes so it seems instinctual. We can see the same thing in our daily lives, as we instinctively "know" that dinner is burning while we're watching the ball game.

As with any decision, sometimes we're wrong. And most of us can't thin-slice and "blink" the right answer for complicated issues like how to deal with Russia's resurgence as a world power. Foreign policy is not instinctual, it involves the hard work of many people.
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lea and... c. Sep 13, 2008, 2:29pm EDT
Strategy like playing a chess game....you have to think 4 steps or more in advance.
Instinct is the results of your subconcious overcoming the fears of your own judgement.
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David K. Sep 13, 2008, 3:03pm EDT
Lea - We do seem to get in our own way a lot. My sense is that many of us don't think because it takes too much time or is too hard to filter all the meaningless information from the critical information. Especially when it's difficult to determine what is true and what is spin. I was thinking this was true here on Gather because so many of the comments to political posts parrotted thoughtlessly the talking point of the day.

After seeing the quantity and quality of the responses to this post, to which I am pleasantly surprised, I have to revise my perception a bit. While there clearly are non-thinkers amongst us, there are also many thinkers.

In this thought, I found some solace.
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Diana Raabe Sep 13, 2008, 3:22pm EDT
There's just so much to comment on here! Great topic and discussion (my compliments to the chef).

David, you mention the laziness of people when it comes to independent / critical thinking and I wonder if it doesn't go beyond that. I think someone commented up a ways about the lack of desire to think beyond talking points....if one goes there, one might see what they don't want to see.

Critical thinking should be taught in schools - and started early - I'm still holding out for that as the anti-intellectualist movement digs its ugly claws deeper and deeper into the public education system (creationism? really?!). It may have been here all along, but it is getting louder and more powerful - and must be stopped.

I think reading is one of the all-time greats in this life, provided one isn't reading the same thing/rhetoric over and over and over. I, too, admire [Jim's?] 10,000 books read and although I'm not counting, I have been reading since the age of three myself.

Glad to see the points made about Gladwell - I haven't read the book. My husband is hopelessly logical and his opinion sometimes holds some sway. The premise of "an informed decision sped up in time" will serve me greatly in our discussions about my "intuition" (that's what he calls it) which I will now refer to as my informed decision sped up in time.
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Diana Raabe Sep 13, 2008, 3:41pm EDT
P.S. If you want to see an example of actual knowledge trying to drown out misleading soundbites, see my article about the Minnesota senate race - and how a television commercial distorts the facts and juxtaposes the candidates' positions.

It took hours to find the right material to put together - but I was fueled by utter disgust.
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David K. Sep 13, 2008, 4:46pm EDT
Diana - Definitely try that "informed decision sped up in time" idea on your husband. Don't quote Gladwell though, since that is my interpretation (I don't think he uses that phrase...he's big on "thin-slicing"). Let me know what he thinks.
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Selene N. Sep 13, 2008, 4:52pm EDT
Nice article, as usual.
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Selene N. Sep 13, 2008, 4:52pm EDT
Thanks for looking at my stuff...
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David K. Sep 13, 2008, 4:58pm EDT
Always a pleasure Selene. :)
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David K. Sep 13, 2008, 5:07pm EDT
Miss Havisham - this is exactly the kind of thing to which I was alluding. Despite evidence that the words are false, people are still enthralled by the words. Diana said this above - we don't want to hear the truth. In the context of my article, it would require us to rethink our positions and reconsider our support. But we already made our decision. Facts are just inconvenient to that decision, so they can be ignored.

This is not thinking. This is non-thinking. There may be legitimate reasons to choose the course we choose - why not articulate them honestly instead of making stuff up? Alas, because articulating them requires thinking and taking responsibility for our positions.
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David K. Sep 13, 2008, 5:24pm EDT
Thank you Miss Havisham for the NYT link. Wow, someone gets it. The ability to think IS important.
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Bent Lorentzen Sep 14, 2008, 5:23am EDT
Extraordinary good thinking in your article, David!

Far too many people prefer to feel they are thinking by parroting (and here I truly apologize to the intelligence inherent in parrots who parrot), for if they even began to think a bit, they'd realize how thoughtless their actions based on this antithesis to thinking honestly is.
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James C. Sep 14, 2008, 1:26pm EDT
David,

Good article on philosophy!
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David K. Sep 14, 2008, 2:00pm EDT
Thanks Bent and James.
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Nyota *Star* Sep 14, 2008, 7:43pm EDT
"What is ignorance? It is not so much the lack of knowledge, for we can never know everything."
I've termed the deliberate refusal to seek to understand another's point of view
as terminal ignorance and/or the art of being proudly obtuse.
Great article.
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Dorothy H. Sep 14, 2008, 10:44pm EDT
People who, "make stuff up", have to think, in order to do so. I can only conclude then, that the process they went through ,making stuff up", was premeditated, and quite deliberate.

Some are parroting due to the ignorance you discribe, in your article. Others are parroting, as the leader of the parrots. The cheerleader at the pep rally, and the mindless follow.
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David K. Sep 15, 2008, 12:53am EDT
Thanks all
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Rose H. Sep 16, 2008, 10:05am EDT
David, I enjoyed reading this article and following the comments and links.
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David K. Sep 16, 2008, 10:41am EDT
Thanks Rose. It was interesting philosophizing (if that's a word).

I'm thinking of possibly doing a follow up piece on "dimensional thinking." If I can find the time...to think about it. :)
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Glome . . . Sep 19, 2008, 1:57pm EDT
Yaaaa Nyota *Star*!

Well, I'm late to the show as always. I haven't even checked to see if there is a follow up.
My suggestion David, is not just a follow up on the importance of thinking. But subjects to discuss (no soundbites allowed:)
I have emailed CNN/FOX about the great following they would have if they gave think tanks time on their network. Mentioned on some article this week how much I need to hear a panel of experts on the financial problems in US. Some of like & some of differing thoughts. Serious people that would be ethical and respecting to one another & give us real info. Examples of how things have and have not worked. INFORM US of issues that have to be considered & why and why not some genuine efforts have failed or worked.

An ongoing presentation of problems in 2 hr forums would be financially rewarding for a station that demanded that kind of response from the participants or refused to let them participate again. Or blew a big fog horn when someone was out of line (my personal favorite :)

Anyway, I'm going to go look at your articles and see what followed this. Thank you for taking the time to present this topic.
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David K. Sep 21, 2008, 5:32pm EDT
Glome - I definitely agree that the topics discussed need to be given more thought. The media outlets unfortunately need ratings and important topic discussions by think tanks are neglected because they don't garner ratings. At best they have think tank types on to debate partisan ideas. The problem lies with us. We like watching a fight and want to see car wrecks. In 2006 George Allen lost his Senate race and a likely Presidential run because of something he said in one sound bite - never mind there were lots of legitimate reasons for him to lose, but those reasons were actually helping him until his gaffe. We make decisions on gaffes. Absolute non-think.

I haven't written the follow up article yet. I did scope it out on the long flight back to the US, but I need to flesh it out some more. (I need to think about it some more.)
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Mary S. Oct 28, 2008, 1:23pm EDT