Question: Justice and Peace

Apparently obtaining justice for 9/11 has not been a top
priority for the Shrub Admin.
Otherwise, why we would not have gone in full tilt to Afghanistan
to hunt down and Kill Bin Laden instead of the charade in Iraq?

Most Armed Services Personnel I have spoken with agree that we should be in A/stan NOT Iraq.
Which IS the stance that Obama has had all along.
Now the McSame camp has begun touting the same ideas.
5 years and 4,000 DEAD AMERICANS TOO LATE.

There has been almost NO Justice for the U.S. or
specifically the families of the victims of 9/11.

No Justice, No Peace.
Know Justice, Know Peace.

There has been some justice, some of those responsible have been punished. There are still more who need to be though. Does justice always cause peace? I have to say no. What some may consider justice others may not, and therefore while peace is possible with justice it is not automatic. I hope that makes sense.

In the absence of justice, can we make our own peace with those things which cannot be changed? Can acceptance bring peace without justice?

Hi Jan......

I think there has always been too much focus on thinking that capturing Osama bin Laden will finally provide closure for everyone (escpecially the victims and family members of 9/11). Personally, I don't see how there ever really can be complete "closure." (Not in this life, anyway). To me, Osama is just a little piss-ant and he will soon meet his Maker like everybody else. But, too many people have thought than the U.S. could destroy the hive by simply killing the queen, but this is a very naive viewpoint, in my opinion.
As far as "justice" goes...there can never be real justice. Nearly 10,000 Americans have lost their lives from the actions of bin Laden and Al-Qaeda and nothing will ever bring them back. And I believe that only their loved ones meeting them again in the life still yet to come willl ever provide closure and finally give them "justice" once and for all.

It sort of depends upon who is deciding what kind of justice to practice, and what is going to be dine about injustice, and what is injustice to begin with, and with all these differing opinions, there actually is not going to be any peace among nations, so we have to just work on peace within our small communities, because the large ones even have these differences, and there just is no really lasting peace anywhere.

I believe that you can have peace without justice. Peace is something you find within. Not from any action or reaction. Justice is also necessary, but there, to me, is a difference between justice and revenge. Justice will come when each meets their maker. You reap what you sow in this world and the next. I don't think finding Bin Laden and killing him will bring peace. There will always be unfair things in this world. Not that we should just accept them without trying to change things, but the world will never be a fair place. Peace

Killing Obama, although it may seem justifiable, will not bring peace to those that lost their loved ones, not totally. The children born to those lost on that day will never know true peace, or feel completely whole. A part of them will always be missing. It will be like a duck on the pond. They may seem at peace to those around them, but inside they will still be just as angry, because their loved ones are gone.

Tabitha may one ask why you wish to kill one of our senators who is running for president? I don't think he had anything to do with 9/11. I truly think he is the one who would like to capture or kill Osama Bin Laden the one who attacked the U.S. so why would you want to kill one or our senators and an American citizen???

:O\

As for Peace and Justice...I was a cop and most justice is not what you think it is nor does it usually happen as you think it should...sorry to say...

:O\

what is justice? what do you want to happen because of 911?

everyone will answer that differently

I think we've made some great strides in obtaining justice. Many of those involved have been captured, tried and sentenced. Yes we're still missing the key figure, Osama Bin Laden, but I don't think he's exactly living the good life right now is he? Hiding in caves and being constantly under cover and running is no life to live. His power has been denied. Have we been perfect in seeking and obtaining the justice? Of course not. But then again we don't live in a perfect world do we?

Jan there will never be justice for the 9/11 attacks. This is the irony of terrorism, so many die for the acts of so few. Peace can be found through ideas of freeedom and hope.

....and perhaps forgiveness as well, Douglas?

It sounds as if we're all feeling that peace is attainable without justice. My experience with the justice system has not been favorable. The only way to find peace, as Kimber has said, is within ourselves.

It's interesting, Jan......

Rene Allen has written a piece about that very thing

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I think many people confuse justice with revenge. Harboring hatred and seeking revenge will never bring anyone true peace.

Since justice resembles different things to different people, it devolves into "he did, she did" sort of thing you hear with children. There is no end to the story of why and who did what to whom and when.

Peace, on the other hand is to sometimes accept the lack of justice in many cases. That acceptance comes from within and it becomes the basis of a countywide attitude that no more should die.

Our mantra, at some point in time, should be, NO MORE DEATH.

The fly in this ointment is polictics and money.

Interesting. Leaves one with a lot to ponder. Thanks!

Justice and peace go together as long as people feel wronged there will be no peace.

For those of you who said we should get Obama, I assume you will be voting for McCain since he said he'll hunt him down until his last breath!

Justice and peace? Much depends on the person's interpretation of justice!

Justice, true justice will not occur in our faulty world. Many strive for justice, but is it justice or vengence. Justice is blind, vengence is adding to the problem and spreads hate. In being willing to harm innocents to bring the guilty to "justice" we become part of the problem, since then the blood of those innocents cries for justice as well. Yes, we need justice and balance to bring peace, but that justice cannot take the form of vengence at all cost. It is never justice to harm others to take out those that harmed us. it only spreads hate. Hate will never bring peace.

sometimes justice means peace, but justice mainly means a persons rights, to me, in their favor.

I think for the 9/11 tragedy, God is the only one that can have or get justice for this horrific act. Our only peace & justice will come from rebuilding , moving forward, honoring the deceased & never forgetting.

Great dicsussion to ponder Jan! Peace and justice are really hard topics to define and accept.

9/11 was such a tragedy ... our world is so full of hate and desires for revenge.

We have to find peach within.

In my experience, they are unrelated. A man raped, tortured and immolated a 10 year old girl in this area several years ago. He enjoys a life of HD TV, free food, free medical care and a chance to be freed from prison every 5 years. Is that justice?

A bevy of self serving lawyers as judges determine justice. We, as responsible human beings set the stage for peace. The best we can do is be just in our own lives and hope that our passion for peace prevails in spite of the courts.

Rest easy

i really have no idea on what is going on about peace. Hope fully some day we will find peace and quality in everyone's lives

I don't think justice brings peace especially to individuals. Only forgiveness can do that even though forgiving is the hardest thing to do.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. said "Without justice, there can be no peace."

I don't know the context of this quote, but I think Dr King was talking about peace among men and nations. But, I also think he would agree with the many of you who speak of inner peace. That peace can be enjoyed even by someone living in an unjust society.

As to 9-11, those evil doers got their victory. They were filled with hate and their actions have contributed to making the world a more hate filled place.

I believe Dr King would urge us find ways to build places of safety for children, woman, and old people rather than try to kill this one or that one.

I don't think that justice will ever be done. It's sad but true. The Bush administration is too worried about Iraq, and butting their noses into their business.
That's all I have to say.

Well said BERF. I get sick and tired listening to all the cry babies that sit around and point there fingers at whoever they choose to dislike. It's his fault, it's her fault. None of us are in the position to have enough knowledge make decisions on world affairs. We DO NOT have even the slightest idea as to why the White House or the Pentagon makes the calls they make. So, sit down and shut up and quit adding to the mix. You all are more of the problem than you are the cure.........Any you can quote me on that.

No, and I have no clue as to if it will ever be done.

Sorry, no I haven't.

Harrel, this is awesome: "None of us are in the position to have enough knowledge make decisions on world affairs. We DO NOT have even the slightest idea as to why the White House or the Pentagon makes the calls they make."

I have a strong belief that our president has taken a lot of undeserved abuse and blame because he cannot endanger national security by explaining dangerous information to the American people and the world. In future years, when much more is known, I believe George W. Bush will shine among presidents.

nice call

We have been lied to so much about 9/11. The pictures of assassins was not true. One was a barber and never was in this country. We should be demanding the truth about 9/11. It may surprise many Americans. Their is a lot of evidence that has been covered up.

Also the truth about Kennedy, Lee Oswald Harvey was not the only bullet in Kennedy's body. That is another inside job. Wake up America.

Jan, an unfortunate part of life is the reality of the human condition. From the beginning there was, and continues to be man’s inhumanity to man. Here in the United States and other civilized countries where, for the most part faith and laws prevail, there must be a price to pay when the law is broken. Justice must prevail or there can never be even a semblance of peace. Concurrently, up until recent times, if a country invaded another country a uniform identified one warring faction and nation over another. Countries that harbor and fund terrorist groups do so knowing that they cannot fight us and win so they fund a bunch of malcontent, brainwashed rogues do it for them. They are fighting a different war and they’re winning. Think of how the countless additional trillions of dollars for security, oil dependency, and increasing energy costs continues to weaken us. If this continues, the socio-economic repercussions will spread around the world exponentially. In a world economy, where the United States goes, so goes the rest of the world – and then what? The rest of the world better wakeup before it’s too late.

Without justice there can be no peace. Some ideologies or mindsets think us Americans as weak and not willing to fight for what we believe in. Unrest at home only makes them more confident that eventually they will wear us down. They understand the financial and psychological impact they’re causing and are milking it to the bone.

When justice becomes just a word bantered about in discussion groups and not enforced in the real world, how then can we hope to survive as a people?

After 9/11 George Bush vowed that there would be no place for a terrorist to hide, but they did hide. To avoid an even bigger war with neighboring Middle East countries, we have attempted the diplomatic route with little or no satisfaction or resolution. If the United Nations did their rightful job from the beginning, I believe this would all be over now. If all the civilized nations of the world sent their armies into the Middle East and flushed out these terrorist once and for all, justice would have been served and a strong message would have been sent to any others who in the future might want to prey on the lawful and innocent.

It seems to me that justice is taking all facets of an action, the persons involved, the circumstances, and the necessary outcome into account when determining an acceptable outcome and the path to achieve it.

In the case of 9/11, healing is the element of justice that will help bring peace.

Too often, we assume an arrest and trial bring justice. While these may be tools, IMHO they are not "justice" itself. If they become that, I would submit neither the necessary or acceptable result(s) was identified as "peace".

there is no justice for something like that, but peace can be obtained

Sometimes, Jan, justice is not obtained here on earth. Sometimes we have to accept that the ultimate Prince of Peace will settle the score and bring about the justice - for we know that HE will. If you have faith, hold onto that, because worrying about bringing justice for America for 9/11 may end up being an exercise in futility because once we take out some, others will always pop up. I'm not saying give up hope. I'm just saying keep your hope on a higher Peace. HE will bring about the peace and justice that is needed. This world is only a short stopping place for ride to eternity.

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hmmm that is a good question, does justice give peace of mind or can it give unjustice to someone else

I think I prefer the South African approach - honesty more important than justice.

There can never be complete justice for 9/11. All those who perished on 9/11 and those who have died in this ongoing war will never come back to us. I'm begining to wonder if mankind is capable of peace.

I don't think there is much justice