Even I would have done a better job of running this country than George Bush and Dick Cheney have, and I am not half as attractive as she is, but am I qualified? Probably more than she is.
On the Motherhood thing, she's got me beat as the mother of five children. She doesn't believe in abortion and she put her mouth where her money is. Her fifth child was born with Down Syndrome. Anyone who has a child with or without any sort of special needs knows that being a committed mother is not easy. Children are among the vulnerable that need family, community and government support if this is to be a humane country.
Unlike many other people with disabled children, however, Governor Palin is obviously able to continue working at a high level job. She undoubtedly has medical benefits through the state and certainly should be able to afford nursing care and the special services her child will need over that child's lifetime, even if the child survives her and her husband. I am not sure this alone puts her in the category of compassionate conservative, however, or whether it matters with regard to her candidacy for the vice presidency of the republican party.
Her athletic prowess in her youth earned her the name of 'Sarah Barracuda', which resurfaced after her budget-slashing techniques were put into effect in Alaska. She knows how to cut services and jobs and is not a pansy about doing it. That kind of hatchet work takes a special personality. One who can ignore the cries of people as they fall off the economic cliff. I don't think I would like her work, even if I liked her public persona. But then, that's just me.
It disturbs me to think of little Alaskan children with parents unable to heat their homes over the 10-month-long winter. I don't even want to imagine what it is like to be unemployed there, have children and not be able to afford food, boots, warm clothes, etc. The only easy thing would be committing suicide; walk out on the ice flow and go to sleep, I guess. Certainly chronic unemployment would give one reason enough to feel great despair and a sense of hopelesness.
However, it seems to me that Sarah Palin has the very qualities that McCain is seeking. He needs a woman to run things for him. Cindy does it at home and Sarah can do it at work. We know McCain is a big delegator of any responsibility, or he might know how many houses he has or what constitutes being 'rich'. She could be a counter-balance to his age (she's 44 and he's turning 72, so that's a median age of 58), his looks, his stamina, his obvious senior moments and his stumbling (non-teleprompter) verbal gaffs. She's got a slick tongue and can twist and turn his words around until they sound like something... acceptable and real.
Besides. We all know that when a beautiful, much younger woman is by a man's side, in whatever capacity, we give him credit for being a STUD. The red sports car might offend people in down economic times, but a beautiful, luscious brunette never hurt anybody's image.
Isn't this all a little transparent? A woman with no economic experience, no real legislative experience, a tongue that can twist words to suit her POV, etc. We don't know who she is, but obviously to have risen to Governor with little experience we can expect she will be a ferocious campaigner. If Hillary and Bill don't keep encouraging her supporters (who did support HER and not the party) to vote for Barack Obama and Joe Biden, some will filter over there for all the wrong reasons. They will listen to her words and not look at her actions or fall for her spell and not verify her facts. This is the old Karl Rove playbook but without the pudgy, spectacled, balding guy.
Yes, I would love to see a woman as Vice President or President, but this election is way too important to allow personal political wants to overcome my good judgment. Our country is in desperate straights and we need a unifier like Barack Obama who is the champion of the majority in this country whether the middle class recognizes it or not.
We are in a class war, only this time it isn't about kings and noblemen against frontiersmen and women. This time it is about power and money and corruption.
I'm glad Senator McCain didn't take his vice presidential pick seriously. I am glad he reacted to the political realities that he is losing this election. Out of his panic he has selected someone who is totally unprepared and inexperienced and out of touch with the majority of Americans.
Update 8/30/08: The fallout from Alaskan Newspapers, the guys who know Gov. Palin: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/2-top-alaska-newspapers-q_b_122625.html
She may or may not be a good governor for Alaskans. I respect their choice and would not judge (although her ratings have slipped from the high point often quoted), but she and McCain are not what America needs. No matter how they dress up the ticket, it is still more of the same. No thanks. Eight years was enough.
Update 8/31/08: Want to know more about Sarah Palin? Here's a few sources:
1. "Sarah Palin," Wikipedia, Accessed August 29, 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
2. "McCain Selects Anti-Choice Sarah Palin as Running Mate," NARAL Pro-Choice America, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17515&id=13661-8978282-JWm5JZx&t=1
3. "Sarah Palin, Buchananite," The Nation, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17736&id=13661-8978282-JWm5JZx&t=2
4. "'Creation science' enters the race," Anchorage Daily News, October 27, 2006
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17737&id=13661-8978282-JWm5JZx&t=3
5. "Palin buys climate denial PR spin—ignores science," Huffington Post, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17517&id=13661-8978282-JWm5JZx&t=4
6. "McCain VP Pick Completes Shift to Bush Energy Policy," Sierra Club, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17518&id=13661-8978282-JWm5JZx&t=5
"Choice of Palin Promises Failed Energy Policies of the Past," League of Conservation Voters, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17519&id=13661-8978282-JWm5JZx&t=6
"Protecting polar bears gets in way of drilling for oil, says governor," The Times of London, May 23, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17520&id=13661-8978282-JWm5JZx&t=7
7 "McCain met Palin once before yesterday," MSNBC, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=21119&id=13661-8978282-JWm5JZx&t=8
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I was bothered to discover that Palin conceived her fifth child after being elected Governor of alaska. I realize that it's not a big job, but still, part time governor and full time mom?
Her fifth child suffers from Down's Syndrome.
My child has DS. Just got home from soccer practice, after a full day of school (fully included). She had a playdate after school. She is not suffering, unless you count the fact that I didnt let her have ice cream tonight and she wasnt very happy about that.
Anyone who has a child with or without any sort of special needs knows that being a committed mother is not easy. Down syndrome children are extremely affectionate and loving children and grow up to be lovely people.
-No, being a mother to any child is not easy. BUT, People with DS have the same emotions and feelings and attitudes as typical people do, they are not always happy or sweet or loving...just like "us". Oh, and they are children WITH Down syndrome. It's like a woman with cancer, would you say "that cancer lady"? I doubt it. See them as people first. It reframes the argument.
It just is not an easy parental role as they cannot ever be emancipated.
-you are wrong, flat out. Times have changed. MANY adults with DS live very independant lives, drive, marry, go to college.
They are among the vulnerable that need family, community and government support if this is to be a humane country.
-Dont we all? Need support, that is. Many adults with DS are financially independent, by the way. Soc Sec is not a given. What child DOESNT need family and community support?
Unlike many other people with disabled children, however, Governor Palin is obviously able to continue working at a high level job.
-another myth. we moms (and dads) are out here, we work, we are not destroyed by having our children. Our marriage rates are higher, stronger, our other children better off for having their sibling with DS. There are a lot of myths out there, NDSS is a great resource to dispel them.
She undoubtedly has medical benefits through the state and certainly should be able to afford nursing care and the special services her child will need over that child's lifetime,
-nursing care? My daughter does not require nursing care, and Trig is a pretty healthy little guy, too. Special services...as In early intervention? That is provided free of charge to any child who needs it. We arent rich, and we dont spend exorbitant amounts on our daughter...unless you count Bratz dolls and DVDs, clothes and shoes...and all the other things any kid needs and wants.
even if the child survives her and her husband.
-AH! The real hot button issue, and what made me want to post. Why would he not survive his parents? People with DS have fairly normal life expectancies, but it seems your views of DS are outdated at best. It's true, Trig should live a long happy life.
I am not sure this alone puts her in the category of compassionate conservative, however, or whether it matters with regard to her candidacy for the vice presidency of the republican party.
-I didnt see Gov Palin using Trig's DS in any way as to gain the sympathy vote, did you? To answer your question, no, it doesnt.
Forgive me, as I am after all a New Englander, and we tend to see the darkest outcome as the most likely so we are never disappointed when things turn out better. I must apologize for what is obviously my lack of sensitivity, current information and lack of understanding about D.S. I knew there was a broad range with this condition as there is with most medical conditions. My point was not that these children didn't have normal emotions, but that they were overall good kids from my own experience. Should have perhaps elaborated more in that paragraph, but I was focused on the politics. Of course, I mostly saw these kids as a teacher, and my own kids in school were also lovely good kids all the time too... until they got home.:)
Obviously, I have given you a bit of work to educate me. Thanks, and I mean that sincerely. I thought social security with any disabling condition was automatic, and it horrifies me to think that someone with D.S. would not qualify for benefits. This is really disturbing, truthfully.
With regard to your last question, I have no idea what Gov Palin will or won't do. That is what concerns me about the choice. Do I think a mother would capitalize on her child's condition? No. Do I think the neocons would? That is a good question.
Finally, I have corrected the insensitive way I wrote that paragraph out of respect for what you have said. Again, thanks. Mea culpa.
Your article is Featured in the Triple Name Club.
Overturn Roe v. Wade.
Pro gun
Global warming is not man made.
Hillary is a whiner. (I am quoting Sarah Palin here).
No way, no how, no McPalin
It's kind of scary. Obama is now the safe choice for those who place a high priority on our national security and want to make sure someone other than Mrs. Congeniality is entrusted with it.
You tell me if you think McCain is staring at her chest when she talks.
This woman was governor for 600 days. Governor of less than 700,000 folks. What is that Philly suburb?
This is the "I trust my gut" Bush style decision. He met her once. Then a second time where he offered the post. So he met her once and made his mind.
McCain follows his gut just like Bush. This guy acts like the fighter pilot reacting on instincts. This no judgement we need.
Instead of "is Obama is ready to lead?" now it is "What if McCain goes down? Is she ready to lead"
Close your eyes McCain goes down in February. Palin takes over. A week later, Iran has just launched a nuclear attack on Israel and went to Iraq and kindnapped 25 US soldiers.
She does not even have a foreign policy and security team. Obama has had advisers on these issues for 19 months. Since Sarah Palin has been governor.
OBAMA '08!
McCain could surround himself with a harem of beauties and the word, "Stud" would not enter my mind. LOL Watch the speech Palin made- McCain is so checking out her behind.
The Republican party will stoop to any level. Come on, we've seen the proof over the last twelve years. She chooses to align herself with that party, therefore we have every right to believe she will use her child, rig an election, say whatever it takes . . .
McCain could surround himself with a harem of beauties and the word, "Stud" would not enter my mind. Same here. But you see what is happening, don't you? People are making funnies about him looking at her body, insinuating his wife should beware, etc., which makes him a sexual being. That's much better (from his perspective) than the fossil he was yesterday.
First, the correct name is Down syndrome. Capital "D" lowercase "s" and no apostrophe. There is NO such thing as a person with "Downs" -- it's a very common mistake.
Second, words can and do create barriers. It's not always about grammatical logic but associations of certain words. So, I'm sure you'll have no problem correcting your article.
That's about it. (I've done the research)
And pro-life to boot. Cant’ get any better than that!
Politicians are like diapers; should be changed often for the same reasons.
I think McCain has become a farce of a nomination and this latest decision shows they have little confidence in our intelligence and common sense.
The National Down
Syndrome Society and the National Down Syndrome Congress encourages all media to use the
below language:
Down vs. Down?s. NDSS and NDSC use the preferred spelling, Down syndrome, rather than Down?s syndrome. While Down syndrome is listed in many dictionaries with both popular spellings (with or without an apostrophe s), the preferred usage in the United States is Down syndrome. This is because an “apostrophe s” connotes ownership or possession. Down syndrome is named for the English physician John Langdon Down, who characterized the condition, but did not have it. The AP Stylebook recommends using “Down syndrome” as well.
People with Down syndrome should always be referred to as people first. Instead of “a Down syndrome child,” it should be “a child with Down syndrome.” Also avoid “Down?s child” and describing the condition as “Down?s,” as in, “He has Down?s.” Down syndrome is a condition or a syndrome, not a disease.
People “have” Down syndrome, they do not “suffer from” it and are not “afflicted by” it.
It is clinically acceptable to say “mental retardation,” but you may want to use the more
socially acceptable “cognitive disability” or “cognitive impairment.”
She chooses to align herself with that party, therefore we have every right to believe she will use her child, rig an election, say whatever it takes . .
It is the media and not Gov. palin, that is making a fuss over the baby having DS. Palin herself did not once utter the words during her speech. On the other hand, when misinformation hits gigantic proportions, as it will, then she likely will speak out. It seems almost fated that DS be an issue in the campaign, though, dont you think? Obama faces sharp criticism over the Infants Born Alive vote (he was the only one to vote against saving a born child's life after abortion) when the specific child in question also had DS. People are bound to equate one with the other, thats politics. I dont see Palin as "using" her son in any way.
My concern over her youngest child is that he's like five months old. Who's raising him then? And how hypocritically unfamily values. Sure, don't worry about having a baby on the job, you can get the taxpayers to pay for nanny care. We all don't have that option.
Taxpayers pay for Nannies? Hmmm, thats a new one for me. Given that her son is in the care of his Grandmother during the day (as are MANY American children...or at least the ones with nuclear families intact and grandparents within reach) I hardly think that counts as a nanny, but whatever. Sarah Palin has been VERY clear about fiscal responsibility, she is a no frills Gov. As far as "unfamily values"....surely you jest? 70%+ of American women work outside the home.
Professor Bianchi, who studies time-use surveys done by the Census Bureau and others, has concluded that contrary to popular belief, the broad movement of women into the paid labor force did not come at the expense of their children. Not only did fathers spend more time with children, but working mothers, she found, spent an average of 12 hours a week on child care in 2003, an hour more than stay-at-home mothers did in 1975.
Instead, mothers with children at home gained the time for outside work by taking it from other parts of their day. They also worked more over all. Professor Bianchi found that employed mothers, on average, worked at home and on the job a total of 15 hours more a week and slept 3.6 fewer hours than those who were not employed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/02/business/02work.html
Is it true then that all Democratic women who work outside the home and have small children also have "unfamily values"? Or do only Republican, Conservative women get called bad moms for going to work? If she was a he, would you ask the same questions? Trig is surrounded by a LARGE family, well-loved and secure. Do you work? who keeps your kids? I work. Am I a bad mom, too? My child has DS, that doesnt make her a whole lot different than any other kid her age. She plays sports, does Scouts and Pioneer Club, goes to school, and has a family and friends that love her. Nothing special, just life.
You tell me if you think McCain is staring at her chest when she talks.
Do you not see how absolutely sexist that remark is? I am serious, women who vote Democrat saying another woman only got the job because she looks good in a skirt? The woman has been an up and comer for years now. She is anti-establishment, she is shaking things up, she is in no ones pocket. She is smart, brilliant even, deliberate, strong willed, funny, and very sure of herself. Did Hillary only get the nod because she was pretty...oh wait..she wasnt..and she was a Dem...so she got it based on what....? Sleeping with the ex Prez isnt enough...shes been a Senator for HOW long? C'mon, ladies, good for the goose and all that...
put her PTA self out there to be ridiculed as commander in chief material when she probably was in over her head as governor of Alaska, home of 600,000 people and the moose burger.
"Her PTA self"? Hmmm, again, you are denigrating American women all across this country. She is REAL, and she appeals to us because she is real. enough with the Lawyers and politicians, give me a hockey mom and a woman capable of going against her own party to do what is right...for a change. I wouldnt say she was over her head at all, and that 85% approval rating says Alaskans dont think so, either. Mainers like a good moose burger too, does that make us stupid hicks who are so slow we are incapable of knowing right from wrong. Tell that to Susan Collins, you know her, another near-Republican who votes her CONSCIENCE not her party.
Less women over 40 have children, and so it is more likely they will have a baby with DS, but in truth, most babies with DS are born to younger mothers. I was 31. She had children, and she wanted another, she chose to accept the one she got, DS and all. By the way, she knew prenatally that he would have DS, and had him anyway. walking the talk...that impresses me.
Elizabeth write an intelligent, nuanced article that laid out the facts. You Kay appear to have a brain filled with cobwebs. You spout meaningless remarks, devoid of substance.
She cares about the environment. She was able to work with Democrats and Independents. She has stood up to the "good ol' boys." She has proven that solid, conservative leadership can lead a state to properity in the midst of a recession. Her approval rating is n the 80's and 90's.
I wonder if you actually watched the Rick Warren event, since you're talking about McCain's inability to define rich. Did you watch it? Or understand what he was saying? His point was that Obama wants to pick a number - a fairly low number for families with small businesses - and start taxing big time.
And houses? I've had friends who are far from rich not know how many houses they had. One fellow and his wife in St. Pete, FL owned rental homes. His wife took care of that business. When asked, he also could not tell how many they owned at any one time. But they weren't rich. Nor was he old and senile (as some have tried to say about McCain).
You forget that the average net worth of politicians is $2.7 million. They're all rich, Cindy. If they have only one home...it's probably 6,000 sq. ft. or more. And then they probably RENT homes in other places, just so they can say they only own one home. :-)
Are you delusional ? Seriously, are you ?
How can you even claim in public that a small town mayor and a Governor for less than two years has more experience than two sitting US Senators who have been in Congress for 25-30 years ?
"older mothers account for only about 9% of all live births each year and 25% of Down syndrome births"
Juneau, AK (LifeNews.com) -- As many as 80 percent of unborn children diagnosed with Down syndrome become victims of abortion, but Alaska Gov, Sarah Palin didn't let her child become a statistic. Palin, who has deeply-felt pro-life views, gave birth to her fifth child this week and the baby was diagnosed with the condition. "We knew through early testing he would face special challenges, and we feel privileged that God would entrust us with this gift and allow us unspeakable joy as he entered our lives," she said.
'We have faith that every baby is created for good purpose and has potential to make this world a better place. We are truly blessed," the 44 year-old governor added.
Billy Valentine, a pro-life student leader who worked on the presidential campaign of Sam Brownback, was equally excited.
"Thanks be to God that Gov. Palin is pro-life and the baby wasn't one of the 80% of Down syndrome lives that are aborted each year," he said.
"Say a prayer for Gov. Palin and her family and thank God that the baby is blessed with a pro-life family," Valentine added.
The Palins have four other children including Track, 18, Bristol, 17, Willow, 13 and Piper, 7
~@~
She ignored all the medical advice, and brought a 5th child into this world at the age of 44. I give her due credit for wishing to care for this child.
But see, that's the thing. This is a new born child and has needs only a mother can provide. The baby has special physical and mental requirements only a mother can provide, and yet, she is abandoning this child for the strenuous demands of the office of the Vice-president of the United States ?
Who's going to provide the care and special needs for her baby?
She brought a special needs child into this world and now she is abandoning the full time 24/7/365 requirements of being a mother for political ambitions ?
She took a stand, based on her faith and convictions yet, now that the child has been born she dropped him like a hot potato for a political future?
Governor Palin: pregnancy won't interfere with duties
She kept it secret for seven months and now she's finally speaking out.
While that may be, is it not the truth ?
Abu Ghraib was disgraceful yet, it too was the plain truth.
Please describe how this woman will be able to balance the strenuous demands of the office of the Vice-president of the United States with the Motherly care of an infant with Downs Syndrome ?
Where are her priorities ? Certainly not with her child.
Tell me...do you think all mothers should stay home with their babies? Should not use babysitters (granma, in this case)? Or daycare?
But one person who gets an enthusiastic thumbs-up from Heidi Klum's sophisticated sidekick is Michelle Obama.
"She epitomizes class and American style," Gunn tells Us. "She looks approachable."
However, he can't say the same for the slightly shellacked appearance of Cindy McCain.
"Cindy, on the other hand -- with her button-down suits and blouses -- looks like she's duct-taped," he zings. "Her fashion is a metaphor for her personality."
And yet, the individual never walked in the others shoes. How is it they have the knowledge and experience to make such a claim ?
Let's see, a Governor projects a budget for their particular State, while A US Senator compiles the Budget for the entire Nation. And one aspect of that duty is to provide a budget for the Military, world-wide. Another aspect is OVERSIGHT which a Governor doesn't conduct unless it's against an opponent.
This Woman would run circles around you, and many others...her child will be cared-for just fine.
As for Obama's "attributes?" "Higher Education" is meaningless, and you can direct all of your genuflecting toward "affirmative action" and a LACK of worthy political rivals for the rest...
My only question is, how can this mother even contemplate spending the FIRST FOUR YEARS of this child's life, estranged from him due to the strenuous demands of the office of the Vice-presidency ?
Think back to when your own child was an infant, and then tell us if you would have abandoned the child for a career in politics, leaving the child's care to babysitters and Secret Service officers?
Will this INFANT be in the War Room with the President, Vice-president, Cabinet Members and Joint Chiefs of Staff ?
SHOULD A HOCKEY MOM HAVE HER FINGER ON THE NUCLEAR TRIGGER?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4_vvDewm-A
However, she does not believe that global warming is man made. Another single instance of many on why a Republican is bad for this country. She was, from the POV of McCain and the R party, the best choice they could make for their posistion, just as Biden, from the POV of the D party, was the best choice the D's could make.
My son told me about Palin months ago. I always secretly suspected she would be the pick, because she has a lot that some people will go for. The possible R woman's vote, for one thing.
However, Kennedy, Michelle, Hillary, Bill, Kerry, Joe Jr. Joe Biden and Obama himself all did a super job at the DNC.
Go DEMS.
BTW- I used to be Republican. Now I'm not so sure.
A poor choice. Yet, she doesn't want to allow other women to make their own choices.
Turn around is fun when it is this well deserved and honest. Any woman who would pimp herself as a hockey mom, PTA member, and continuation of Hillary Clinton's "cracks in the glass ceiling" while admitting that she doesn't know the requirements of the job she has been offered only because she is a woman yet she represents a backslide in the rights of women has earned and asked for the backlash.
Miss Havisham, are you male or female? Your sexist accusations don't sound like female comments to me.
In a country with a population of 300,000,000, I cannot believe finding a woman candidate for vice president from the Republican party with at least some Washington experience was not possible. Oh, but then she would not believe in creationism as opposed to proven science, she might respect a woman's right to choose and she might understand what causes global warming. The republicans certainly don't want that.
I agree that there is plenty to find objectionable in Sarah Palin. More than plenty. I chose to jump on duplicity and shallowness, because those are the things that irk me most in the people who will support her and I know that, no matter how many facts I find about her, those people will not read them. You might think it is childish and ugly for me to enjoy dishing back just a little of what they've shoved down our throats for months about Barack Obama. I will understand and probably agree with you, but I will not agree that anything I've said is sexist. I would say the same about any man.
I don't slam anyone for being attractive of for choosing to work when they have children. I've done both. I will slam anyone, male or female, for making their own choices and wanting to deny others the same liberty, or for touting (or allowing others to tout) coming up second in a beauty contest as a qualification for a government job. Any job, for that matter, unless beauty is a requirement.
I have been a woman for half a century and have never tried to overcome anyone expecting me to be qualified for a job, to be consistent in my principles, to be fair, or to use good sense. If what you are asking me to overlook on her behalf is indeed her wishes, I think she is more sexist than I for wanting me to lower my expectations because she is a woman.
I am not looking unfavorably on her because she has children and wants an executive position. I look unfavorably on her because she has five children in a world that is short on resources, and because she chose to have one past what I consider a reasonable age. I don't believe anyone can give five children, one handicapped, a husband, and herself the attention they deserve while working what I think must be one of the most stressful 24/7 positions on earth. Of course, she said she didn't know what a VP's job duties are, so her decision might not be as unwise as I think it is, but I don't want a VP who makes totally uninformed decisions either. But, I won't be like her and suggest she should be denied the choice, I will simply say that I think her choices have been irresponsible, and wish she were as kind about my choice to do what I want with my body and birthing decisions.
I think it is possible to dislike a woman, a gay, a person of another race, and not be disliking that person for that reason. I've argued this with a gay many times; I simply can't stand him and it has nothing to do with his being gay. He's a nasty person. If he were a nice person, or I said the same about every gay person I know, that would be different. Same with this situation. My disapproval of Sarah has nothing to do with her gender.
I don't think this is necessarily true. Is it sexist when women drool over Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney, Barack Obama? I've seen/heard plenty about their attractiveness. I think it depends on who is speaking and exactly what they say.
Can you imagine the reaction of this country if a male candidate listed PTA and basketball team (or whatever team it was) as a qualification for this position? What if you were interviewing applicants for a VP position in your company and you came across one of those resumes that lists bathed and tucked in my children at night, clipped coupons and saved twenty dollars at the grocery each week, and called the plumber when the toilet backed up? Would you consider this applicant?
She does not have a Harvard law degree like Obama, she has a BS in communication and journalism. Absolutely unqualified , she did not pursue a hgher degree but decided to have babies. Now as governor and a good manager she can do her job, but from that to VP it is a long stretch. Accomplishment on paper look good.
How many governors we have who do a fantastic job and never go farther in their career?
This nomination is irresponsible and I hope for the sake of this country all of you stop the gibberish and think clearly about the worse possibiltiy.
Why is it that americans have this obssession of having a woman in the White house?
When the right woman comes along we will know..she is not it...
And stop talking about Obama like you know who he is, you have no idea neither about his ability or his judgement since you have stubbornly chosen not look farther than the old man.
And about the comment on economics and how much has Bush screwed all of you 90% of the population check here for the truth:
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/08/pdf/bushonomics.pdf
Dan Quayle was better qualified and that was before 9-11. And, as I recall, Pops wasn't 72 at the time nor had he a history of cancers. Still, Quayle represented poor judgment, election first, the weight of the decision as to the requirements of the office and what might be best for the country should the president not be able to serve, second.
Mark-John K., Aug 30, 2008, 9:36am EDT
Kay, I know of few that I would Trust with my vote...and You would be confidently included among them.
Mark-John K., Aug 30, 2008, 9:38am EDT
Why don't the two of you just get a room and continue the mutual love fest and admiration of the same old silly old PARTY and their politics that has been going on forever. The Party that wouldn't know change or how to make it happen even if they were given the "Change for Biggest Dummies" instruction manual!
Mark-John, Kay KK, Micky D (Isn't that the clown from McDonald's), Linda and Marilyn are now saying that the same things that I can go back into their vast comment streams and find multiple incidents of them using against Obama are now being touted as a strong point for Palin. In fact I think I am going to do an article made up of the comments where they put Obama down for the very same attributes that they are building Palin up with.
Only thing is though that this woman has way less experience tha Obama in anything that could be related to running a country. Her experience consists of being mayor of 8500 people and Governor of a state that has a total population that is less than some major cities in the continental US and in running that state has used part of her power to wield a personal vendetta against her ex-brother-in-law. Has views that says creationism should be taught to all of our children and that mankind has nothing to do with Global warming or damaging the Environment and is quoted as saying "can someone tell me what the VP actually does. anyway"? Who actually said that she would be the worse possible pick for VP considering all of the variables. Of course that was before she was the pick. I guess you could say that she will now run on the platform of "I was against me being VP before I was for me being VP"! :-)
MJ insults women with his first comment that I copied here. Than kisses up to Kay because as always she is one of the vast minority of people here on Gather that agree with him. Micky continues to spout his willingness to be the male version of the gone but not missed or forgotten Carol the (non) truth (teller) detector, Linda continues to hit an run with one liners but will not dare to discuss the issues at length and Marilyn says things like "one week as a Governor is the same as one year as a Senator (what do you think of a man that went into inner-city Chicago and effected real change Marilyn? There isn't anything like that at all to deal with in Alaska). I will tell you one thing though and I do not mean this as an insult but only as a factual viewpoint, the opinions, views and reasons for those opinions and views that these five people are giving confirms to me and I am thinking many others that Obama/Biden is very much indeed the right choice for all of the people in this country.
Let's talk Debates; 32 years as a Senator and on so many Federal Government commitees that wield more power than the Governor of Alaska could even dream about, including being one of if not the most respected minds on Foreign affairs against the ex-mayor of MOOSEHEAD, Alaska (or something like that), Governor of that very strategic American state ;-) Alaska and whose foreign policy experience is that "her state borders on Russia", who do we think will win that debate and also knows better what and how to do for the whole country?
Harvard Grad Magna Cum Laude against fifth from the bottom of his class, or one of the best public speakers ever against "Iraq/Pakistan border", "Sunni,Shite, AlQuaeda/Iran, what's the difference" "anyone tha makes less than 5 million is middle class", "Viagra should be covered by health insurance," "I don't know how many houses I have "and I am borderline senile Juke box Johnny. Who do you think will win those debates?
Oh and MJ weren't you one of those who said that Obama would get his butt handed to him in debates with McCain and is ducking them? Or was it Kay, I get the two of you mixed up because like many of the people with your views you are almost interchangable. Well did you see his acceptance speech where he said "Bring it on"?
I'll tell you what, with who you are backing here, I will never go to a horse race with you and ask for betting advice. You would say, "bet on the broken down nag, 3 days away from the glue factory and just ignore that sleek throughbreed that looks like he could run continually at record speed and has won every race he has ever been in!"
Let's see Johnny McCain, almost bottom of the class, crashed four or five military planes and possibly killed Americans while doing so and his claim to fame is he was catured and became a POW after crashing the last one against a man who since he came on the scene everything he has touched has turned to gold. hmm which one do we think is the Nag and which one is the throughbreed..
This is so funny anymore that people who seem to have intelligence just don't get it or actually don't WANT to get it. Can any of you HONESTLY say that when you heard McCain's vP choice you said "Wow, I knowher, that is an excellent choice"? Or was it more like WTF?
"Mark-John K., ugh. Please pull your knuckles up off the floor and stop beating your chest to try to intimidate the rest of us. I love it when people like you call 'foul', or should I say 'affirmative action' when anyone other than a white male accomplishes anything."
You expose yourself, your foolishness, and your bigotry. I believe that it is YOU who is upset about the accomplishments of Mrs. Sarah Palin.
And, though you've had no reticence in comparing me to a "cave man," I will spare you the embarrassment of comparing yourself to the Lovely Mrs. Palin.
Perhaps I just do not understand liberal-ease,so I decided to decode the liberal dictionary.Here are some liberal-ease words decoded,to help us non-nuanced "clown" in my case,better understand the mind of a liberal hater.
taxes: lifeblood of liberalism
undocumented worker:potential democrat voter.
workers: what liberals,socialist, and communist call employees.
Soviet Union: a place where socialism failed because the right people where not incharge.
Hope this help's cave men and clowns like us better understand the mind of a ------
'PUTZ"
As for raising taxes Micky, yes I do understand that, Republican admins cut taxes for the rich (or the between say 1 million and 5 million dollar makers that Johnny Boy seems to think are "middle class) and spend like it is going out of style on the important things like 31 % of the budget for military and 18% for the interest that we owe countries like China because of that spending and create a huge deficit. Then the Democrats come in, clean up the mess by putting the burden where it should be and turn a deficit into a surplus (ala Billy Clinton) and straighten the country out and get it working the way it should work again. Taht is until the rEpublicans pull some dirty Florida/Supreme Court, Ohio/vote fixing crap get back in office and screw it up again. Sorry Clown boy, it's responsibility and Democrat time again. Don't worry though in a few years the Rovians will find a new way to cheat and get back in office.
What part of all of this that is backed up by years and years of FACTS don't you ubderstand Ronald, oops I mean Micky? It is pretty simple and I get it and so do so many others. Yet you don't and you feel comfortable calling me a "putz". That is so funny that you should think of entertaining as a clown. You would be much better at that than you are at understanding how this country SHOULD work and what is best for it!!
You calling me a putz because I see things differently than you, is actually an honor Micky. Because if I am a putz because my views are different than yours than I am going to start the "National Putz Party". Whose members will have intelligence, kindness, wisdom, understanding, caring for ALL people and who will just GET IT. Sorry though Mickster, to get in you have to have at the very least one of the qualities that I cited here. That definitely leaves you out :-)
Tell me Micky, are you in the less than 5 million dollar bracket that Johnny considers Middle Class? Or are you in the under $150 K or so bracket per year that Obama will make things better for? if the answer is the second one and you still don't GET IT, you have a long way to climb to reach the "Putz" level that you have placed me in!!!
Actually though Micky, USSR Communism failed because of corruption and people that were in charge stealing from and punishing the very same people they were supposed to help! Hmmmm.. wait a minute, another thing that is similar to the last 8 years in America.
And, though you've had no reticence in comparing me to a "cave man," I will spare you the embarrassment of comparing yourself to the Lovely Mrs. Palin.
Mark-John K., Aug 31, 2008, 9:28am EDT
MJ, can you tell me all about those "accomplishments"? Come on please do so? I am sure that you have a free minute. It shouldn't take as long as that so you may even get about 35 seconds to yourself.
Come on Mickster break down the good things that have happened in this country for all of us in the last eight years. Go ahead, I'll wait, I have about 45 seconds to kill while you are explaining all of them. I may even get to hang out with MJ for the last 35 seconds of that because you will probably be finished by then.
Now would you like me to factually and statically break down all of the good things that happened for the country during the last Democratic admin? If so can you free up a day or two while I am listing them?
Family: any group of people living together.
Fairness: spreading pain and misery equally.
Just a few more word associations from the NPP-LPP-CODE BOOK. I'm sure you will read my next post-article- Listing all the word definitions from the PUTZ Party official dictionary. Well I have to go now Big C. this "clown"is taking his lovely grandaughter to work with him.I'm taking her to Micky-D's.