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by David K.
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April 29, 2007

And McCain's Pick for VP is....

August 29, 2008 10:46 AM EDT
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Sarah Palin 

Sarah Heath Palin (born February 11, 1964) is the current Governor of Alaska, and a member of the Republican Party. She is the first female governor of Alaska, its youngest, and is the first governor born after Alaska achieved statehood. Brought to statewide attention because of her whistleblowing on ethical violations by state Republican Party leaders,[1] she won election in 2006 by first defeating the incumbent governor in the Republican primary, then a former Democratic Alaskan governor in the general election.

Palin served two terms on the Wasilla, Alaska City Council from 1992 to 1996. In 1996, she challenged the incumbent mayor, criticizing wasteful spending and high taxes.[3] The ex-mayor and sheriff tried to organize a recall campaign, but failed.[3] Palin kept her campaign promises, reducing her own salary, as well as reducing property taxes 60%.[3] She ran for reelection against the former mayor in 1999, winning by an even larger margin.[3][14] Palin was also elected president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors.[11]

In 2002, Palin made an unsuccessful bid for Lieutenant Governor, coming in second to Loren Leman in a four-way race. After Frank Murkowski became governor (resigning his long-held U.S. Senate seat in mid-term), Palin interviewed to be his possible successor, but Murkowski appointed his daughter, then-Alaska State Representative Lisa Murkowski.[3] Then-Governor Murkowski appointed Palin Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission[15], where she served from 2003 to 2004 -- until resigning in protest over what she called the "lack of ethics" of fellow Alaskan Republican leaders, who ignored her whistleblowing complaints of legal violations and conflicts of interest.[3] After she resigned, she exposed the state Republican party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, one of her fellow Oil & Gas commissioners (who was accused of doing work for the party on public time, and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail).[16]

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Comments: 257

N. K.* . Aug 29, 2008, 10:50am EDT
Well this is interesting and could very well change the game a bit. We'll see.
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Denise B. Aug 29, 2008, 10:53am EDT
interesting choice
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Marianne R. Aug 29, 2008, 10:54am EDT
Interesting choice and definitely designed to sway the female voters.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 10:55am EDT
It's a curious choice, given two factors:

#1: McCain's campaign has been built on the premise that Obama is too inexperienced to be President, yet Palin is even younger and has served for less than 2 years as Governor of one of the least populated states in the country.

#2: Today is McCain's 72nd birthday. So the probability of the VP having to take over in an instant is actually relatively high.

Very curious indeed.
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Lori F. Aug 29, 2008, 10:55am EDT
I think its interesting that he chose a VP that has virtually no experience.

From what I have seen of her I like her.

I just wonder what the Repub party as a whole think of his choice.
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Tina (a slightly smaller Spanky) B. Aug 29, 2008, 11:02am EDT
I do not see how this is supposed to convince me to give him my vote.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 11:03am EDT
She is supposedly a rising star in the Republican party, but also has targeted the corruption of the Republican party in Alaska (including Congressman Young and Senator Stevens, who both face significant challenges to their seats this fall, not to mention an indictment or two).

The lack of experience thing is bizarre, given the emphasis McCain has put on it.
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N. K.* . Aug 29, 2008, 11:04am EDT
David - I agree. How funny is that they have been harping for months over the lack of experience from Obama and yet they choose a person who would be a heartbeat from the Presidency who has even less? This is either a stroke of genius to try and grab up angry Hillary supporters or it's going to blow up in their faces. From what I've read on Palin, she seems okay but who knows at this point. I guess we'll find out as we go along.
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Richard Frisbie Aug 29, 2008, 11:07am EDT
Well, I like her, but I wouldn't vote for her as President (yet) so - No.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 11:12am EDT
It would seem to be an attempt to specifically target woman voters, in particular Hillary Clinton voters. I actually doubt that there are many Hillary women that would switch to McCain just because his VP choice is a woman - I think most of those had already planned not to vote for Obama anyway.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 11:15am EDT
Another positive for McCain is that Palin might help him hold Alaska. The state traditionally votes Republican by wide margins but has been leaning toward Democrats because of the corruption scandals of Young and Stevens. But if McCain is worried about Alaska's 3 electoral votes he has bigger concerns.
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Paul M. Aug 29, 2008, 11:15am EDT
This is so obviously a ploy to woo the Hillary supporters, not to mention steal some of the thunder for Obama being the hot young candidate. And she blew the whistle on her own party so she's a "maverick" just like McCain. The debate between her and Biden should be really interesting. If Biden goes into too much of attack mode he'll look bad for beating up a woman and yet if he doesn't go far enough then he's weak.

Karl Rove is such a freaking genius. Now he just needs to find a way to keep McCain alive for the next four years. Maybe they'll use whatever is keeping Cheney going.
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Thomas Leggate Aug 29, 2008, 11:19am EDT
Obama is too inexperienced so he picks someone who's majority of experience is being the mayor of a town of 8000. You've got to be kidding me. On the other hand, I hear she was previously involved in beauty pageants so he might be old but not dead...lol
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Katie Scarlett (Site Bouncer Wanna Be) O. Aug 29, 2008, 11:21am EDT
Wow, it amazes me how because of McCains age, a lot of people have him dead and burried by the end of four years. Hmmmmmm, ever heard of younger men dying suddenly of heart attacks? As far as the experience issue is concerned, she is running for VP, not the main seat so I would think that's not an issue here at all.
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Paul M. Aug 29, 2008, 11:22am EDT
Um, Thomas, McCAIN picked this person, not Obama. Try to keep up.
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Paul M. Aug 29, 2008, 11:24am EDT
Isn't it going to look weird though when McCain is standing there next to this much younger woman who could be his daughter--or his third wife? It's really going to emphasize how old he is by comparison. Really he should have gone with someone much older and less healthy than him like Strom Thurman's corpse so he'd look great by comparison.
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Lori F. Aug 29, 2008, 11:24am EDT
the one thing that does bother me is that she supposedly used her influence to get her ex brother in law fired from his job as a Alaska state trooper.

So yes I would say that kind of power abuse does qualify her as a Rising Star in the Repub party.
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Lori F. Aug 29, 2008, 11:25am EDT
Darn it Paul I almost spit coffee on my computer screen reading your last comment.

Very funny.
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Baby J. Aug 29, 2008, 11:26am EDT
Ha! A 72 year old presidential candidate chooses a VP candidate with no experience. I guess this puts the Republican criticism about Obama's inexperience to rest.

From what I've read, she has been a good Governor for Alaska, but is she the best pick to run our country? I question McCain's decision making.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 11:27am EDT
It will be interesting to hear what McCain lays out as her strengths at the news conference today. Sure will change the topic from the Democratic convention news, which of course is what today's announcement is designed to do.
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Ellie !. Aug 29, 2008, 11:30am EDT
Alaska's young, inexperienced Gov. likes drilling for oil, doesn't she? And I am insulted that McCain would think women only supported Clinton because she is a woman. I am thinking IF McCain wins, Palin could well end up as President. Weird.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 11:30am EDT
Besides the obvious play for the female vote, it would seem at first blush that the big plus (from McCain's point of view) is her "maverick" mythology, which would reinforce that aspect of McCain's mythology. The Obama campaign has focused on dispelling the McCain maverick myth as, well, a myth, by pointing out how McCain has voted with Bush 90%+ of the time (95% last year during the campaign). With Palin, McCain will likely say that they both buck the trend. Not sure how that will play with the Republican base, even assuming it was true.
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Sassy Cat Aug 29, 2008, 11:32am EDT
that's a surprise to me. Thanks!
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Tim Nelson Aug 29, 2008, 11:47am EDT
No downside so far.
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Ellie !. Aug 29, 2008, 11:49am EDT
A runner-up as Miss Alaska...anti-choice...anti gay marriage...18 yo son heading to Iraq...4 month old son with Downs...3 daughters in the middle...her career was as a sports reporter...BA in journalism/minor in Politics...
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 11:51am EDT
Thanks Ellie. She does seem to be quite conservative (except for the Miss Alaska thing).
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Winston Smith Aug 29, 2008, 11:51am EDT
Change.
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Ellie !. Aug 29, 2008, 11:53am EDT
She eloped to marry her Native husband.
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John Doyle Aug 29, 2008, 11:54am EDT
Lori, it was one of Palin's staff who tried to get the Trooper fired, not Palin. the person is now under suspension. Let's at least try to get the trash accurate.

I am disappointed that he didn't pick Romney. If there was eve a poster boy for corporate America it is he. That smug CEO I know everything coupled with being a Mormon would surely help Obama into the white house
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Ellie !. Aug 29, 2008, 11:54am EDT
I need to get back to work, don't I? None of the MANY women I work with are impressed...maybe it's a "Hail Mary."
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Chris W. Aug 29, 2008, 12:00pm EDT
David- very interesting, to learn that she is considered ethically clean as regards oil company influence peddling, a big problem in Alaska. I am aware of the recent flap about the attempt to fire a state trooper for family reasons, but mcCain must clearly figure that issue to be groundless.
Thanks for the info!
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Michael Harvey Aug 29, 2008, 12:01pm EDT
Mccain is playing into the hands of Obama and the Democrats. Talking about judgment. This choice as VP graphically points up the lack of judgment on McCains part. He chose a partner so mild in her passtivities that she would make Old Ike look exciting.
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Jared P. Aug 29, 2008, 12:02pm EDT
Sarah Palin is the most unqualified VP nominee in modern history, with the possible exception of Admiral Stockdale.

McCain's FIRST EXECUTIVE DECISION.

This woman became governor two months before Obama started running for President.
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Maurice K. Aug 29, 2008, 12:02pm EDT
This is frightening. I may end up making a decision about this election after all.
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Chris W. Aug 29, 2008, 12:03pm EDT
As I state elswhere, I think mcCain figures her pro life credentials and her 5 kids, one of whom has Down's Syndrome, will help her with the pro life crowd. I think he is right there. The hope that he will enlist disenchanted Hillary supporters? I think he will be less succesful there. Her policies are 180 degrees from Clintons, so the only rationale for abandoning the Dems for her would be that gender trumps policy, a silly outlook.
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Jared P. Aug 29, 2008, 12:07pm EDT
She thinks CREATIONISM should be taught in public schools.

Obama picked Biden because of his experience. McCain's pick is to win votes. This is the work of Huckabee and Dobson. They did not want a mormon on the ticket. They went for a creationist.
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Tim Nelson Aug 29, 2008, 12:09pm EDT
I'm not sure why people are talking about Hillary supporters. The people who are up for grabs, the ones that Obama can't get, are blue collar males.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 12:21pm EDT
Phew - A 20 minute walk home from work and all these comments to read. :)
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 12:22pm EDT
Tim - So do you think Palin will help or hurt the chances of either candidate to get blue collar males?
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 12:24pm EDT
Jared - Well, she definitely seems to fit the bill for conservatives (except the beauty queen and trying to put Republicans in jail parts). Not sure whether it was just being mormon that hurt Romney's chances; seems most people didn't like him for one reason or another. Frankly I thought Romney was the only pick that would have made sense for McCain, given the economic situation.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 12:25pm EDT
Phyllis - I'm curious as to what about Palin thinks this is a deal sealer for McCain. Any thoughts?
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 12:29pm EDT
Chris W - I think you're right about the gender/Clinton voter issue. Still, there may be women out there who will vote purely based on gender. Can't imagine it would sway too many though, given her strict pro-life stand. We'll see
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Peter Joseph Swanson Aug 29, 2008, 12:29pm EDT
Will this make Dan Quayle look like a smart pick ???
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 12:30pm EDT
For the record, my thinking on the brother-in-law incident is a non-starter. First off, it's a stupid thing to belabor anyway. Second, it doesn't appear she did anything wrong. Third, I'm pretty sure there are more important issues we could discuss.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 12:33pm EDT
Mary - I suspect you're co-workers are not impressed in part because they probably never heard of her. I'm a political junkie and I don't know much about her other than the hoopla over her beating out the sitting Governor in the primary. She's definitely an unknown to most Americans (at least in the "lower 48").
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Lori F. Aug 29, 2008, 12:33pm EDT
John you dont honestly believe it was "one of her staff" that tried to get the ex bil fired do you?

She of course had NOTHING to do with it.

Whats the weather like in the state of denial today?
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Vivian A. Aug 29, 2008, 12:33pm EDT
I think this is a wise choice for McCain. We'll see how it plays out, but I think he may have played his hand well.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 12:34pm EDT
You're welcome katie. Good to know there are still people who want to find out the facts before opining. :)
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 12:36pm EDT
Vivian - Why? I'm not being flip here, I honestly am interested in why she is a good choice (I think there are no shortage of comments on the other side).

Much appreciated, thanks. :)
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Kay M. Aug 29, 2008, 12:37pm EDT
McCain thinks women are easy.
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Lori F. Aug 29, 2008, 12:39pm EDT
For the record, my thinking on the brother-in-law incident is a non-starter. First off, it's a stupid thing to belabor anyway. Second, it doesn't appear she did anything wrong. Third, I'm pretty sure there are more important issues we could discuss.
David K., Aug 29, 2008, 12:30pm EDT

OK first of all why do you assume she didnt do anything wrong? Was she cleared of all wrong doing...oh thats right she used one of her staff members as a scapegoat.

Second this incident happened during her first year of being governor...most people wait at least 2 years before becoming this corrupt maybe she is just an early bloomer.
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Lori F. Aug 29, 2008, 12:40pm EDT
And David a candidates morals and credibility are IMPORTANT.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 12:43pm EDT
Lori - I guess I was a little more flippant than I had intended. My apologies for that.

I'll beg off on the incident, since as you say I don't actually know the details of what happened. My thinking was just that even if she did it it's a minor part of the big picture of why she was picked and the ramifications of her being VP when the President would already start off as being old.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 12:43pm EDT
And I agree - morals and credibility are very important.
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Sy g. Aug 29, 2008, 12:44pm EDT
Vivian,

Why??????
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 12:46pm EDT
Apparently this is how McCain introduced her: "McCain said he made his pick after looking for a political partner "who can best help me shake up Washington and make it start working again for the people who are counting on us." McCain said that Palin was "exactly who I need. She's exactly who this country needs to help us fight the same old Washington politics of me first and country second.""

Clearly he's going for the maverick vote. A bit ironic given his voting record, but we'll see what happens.
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Kay M. Aug 29, 2008, 12:47pm EDT
She has a bachelor's degree in journalism and was a beauty queen. Am I supposed to be impressed?
Her husband works for British Petroleum. More oil folks in the big house was not what I was looking forward to.
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Sy g. Aug 29, 2008, 12:47pm EDT
Cross posting like crazy here.

I agree with Lori, lets not dismiss the bil thing so fast. The first hit on Spitzer of NY was similar. And if she is going to make a play on her ethical thing, she had better be more than squeaky clean. Anyone remember Ferraro?
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 12:49pm EDT
Guess this is the rationale on the "experience" issue" "In its formal announcement, the campaign pointed to her powers as head of the Alaska National Guard and the mother of a soldier herself as evidence that she "understands what it takes to lead our nation...""

[By the way, I'm lifting quotes from Yahoo News and various other sources so my apologies for not documenting sources thoroughly.]
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 12:51pm EDT
Alaska (from Wikipedia):

Population Ranked 47th in the US
- Total 683,478 (2007 est.)
- Density 1.2/sq mi

That's 1.2 people per square mile. Wow.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 12:53pm EDT
Before becoming Governor less than 2 years ago, Palin was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, population 6,500.

[My home town was about twice that size...and I thought we were tiny]
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Lori F. Aug 29, 2008, 1:00pm EDT
And David you do realize that she is currently under investigation for the brother in law thingy...right.

She hasnt been cleared nor convicted of the charges.
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Ellie !. Aug 29, 2008, 1:07pm EDT
I think she's a good choice...maybe it will drive people over to the other side. We can hope. People in the office are not impressed with her because we are in Western Oregon...a bunch of open-minded, liberal-THINKING people.
:-)
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:08pm EDT
Well, she is a conservative, so supporting creationism isn't a big surprise. So in a sense, maybe McCain is thinking she helps him both with the conservative base and with the maverick image.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:08pm EDT
Lori - I don't know the details of what's going on. As you say, innocent until proven guilty. It sounds you'll be following the issue so I'll wait for updates.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:10pm EDT
Ellie - I believe Palin was born in Idaho and her family moved to Alaska when she was around 5 or 6 years old.
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Winston Smith Aug 29, 2008, 1:11pm EDT
Geraline Ferraro likes her!

Oh will Hillary be pissed when she wins!

Oh, will the mainstream media look stupid when they start judging her on her clothing and hair!
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Bruce K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:13pm EDT
First thing they will say is that she has more experience than Obama, especially executive. This is also going to make Joe Biden's VP debate pretty tame. This is a pretty clever choice actually.
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Bruce K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:17pm EDT
She also has more substantial deeds to her name than Obama. I don't think it will help the Republicans because people are turned against them pretty solidly this election, but in a normal cycle were it not for bad Republican branding from Bush/Cheney this would make the Democrats look very weak.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:18pm EDT
Bruce - I'm sure you're right that they will claim she has more executive experience than Obama, but then the entire state of Alaska has less people in it than Washington DC and 90% of it is owned by the federal government (plus some percent is owned by Native Americans, plus some percent owned [techically leased] by the oil companies). So I suspect the Obama campaign can figure that one out.
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Winston Smith Aug 29, 2008, 1:18pm EDT
Hillary is fueling up the attack machine! She has got to be pissed!

It was a clever choice. That's why the left is steaming!
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:19pm EDT
You also raise a good point about the VP debate. Biden has been billed as unafraid to be the attack dog. But he can easily be seen either as too hard or too easy on Palin because she's a woman. It's a no win situation. Unless of course he ignores her and just focuses on McCain.
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Bruce K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:21pm EDT
Lori:
I think its interesting that he chose a VP that has virtually no experience.

I try to be as objective as possible about stuff. Yeah, whatever happens, I am voting Democrat, but in terms of experience by the standard calculations she has more than Obama because it is executive experience, and she also worked her way up clearly meriting her position, not based on speeches.

Objectively this is going to make Obama look bad.

And look at what David mentioned her experience and leadership was in ... ethics.

She is the perfect pick for the Republicans, if would be hard to invent someone better. Too bad she cannot run for President, but even that is not out since McCain is 72.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:23pm EDT
Winston - Help me understand what the conservative view is on Sarah Palin. Why is she a good pick?
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Bruce K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:27pm EDT
David:
so I suspect the Obama campaign can figure that one out.

There is no doubt the Obama campaign will have words designed to handle the issue, but at at time when Obama needs to show that he is more than words this nomination is a kick in the gut. I do not know why the Democrats carried through with this guy. I am already angry about a possible Democratic loss. Then maybe in another 4 years when Democrats get one more chance, if they have any credibility left, they will quit leading with irrelevant issues, like gay marriage, ambiguous change, talk about how bad George Bush is, and others and actually do something.

For instance, another opening Obama left is his attempt at being Kennedy'esque saying he was going to get us off foreign oil in 10 years. How? How on Earth can a huge job like that be done in 10 years? He opened himself up for a big slam on that.
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Lori F. Aug 29, 2008, 1:27pm EDT
Winston - Help me understand what the conservative view is on Sarah Palin. Why is she a good pick?
David K., Aug 29, 2008, 1:23pm EDT

Capture the female vote. Plain and simple.
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Lori F. Aug 29, 2008, 1:29pm EDT
Bruce my point to the no experience thingy is that was one of McCains big points against Obama. No experience. Makes him look very flaky...or I guess flakier.

I dont care about the experience per say...if a person is right for the job then they are the one I pick.
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Jean, just the teensiest bit odd, F. Aug 29, 2008, 1:30pm EDT
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Tim Nelson Aug 29, 2008, 1:31pm EDT
Back again.

David, nothing says blue collar male more than maverick.

And to start another one, who is actually concerned that creationism is any where near, almost any morality charged issue, in passing a Democratic party led Congress?
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Josette K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:34pm EDT
With so many reactions I can't respond to any one in particular - but I am personally offended that John McCain could think that his choice would sway the women who supported Hillary! The women who did wanted Hillary not any woman (another example of how out of touch McCain is). As for the other arguments, I am totally on the side of those who couldn't help notice that if experience and maturity are a show stopper, that should stop the show right here and now! Would you like to think of her suddenly becoming president in a year or two...or even facing Vladimir Putin. Thanks but no thanks!
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LEЯA © Politcally Incorrect M. Aug 29, 2008, 1:34pm EDT
Actually, Obama with his lack of experience would have made a good VP for Hillary Clinton.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:41pm EDT
I've been looking for conservative viewpoints on why they think Sarah Palin is a good choice for VP: Here's a summary of at least one person's view of her positives:

1) Palin is a conservative republican and will appeal to the base of the party.
2) Her background as a previous chairman of the Alaskan Oil and Natural Gas Conservation Board and chair of the National Govenors Association's Natural Resource Committee gives her expertise in one of the hottest topics in America right now. [Note: I assume this means energy.]
3) She is a Washington outsider
4) She's a woman [which presumably appeals to disenfranchised Independent female voters]

Thoughts?
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Bruce K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:42pm EDT
Lori I respect your opinion, but in this case I think it is wishful on your part that this woman will reflect more badly on McCain that be a comparison to hold up to Obama. I hope not, but we'll see how this looks. Also Obama just dumped on women voters who will Hillary supporters, and this is an obvious ploy to get them. I just cannot imagine anyone who held with Hillary Clinton as being willing to vote for McCain unless it is out of pure spite, and that is a minimal group I think.
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Julia Star Aug 29, 2008, 1:42pm EDT
Obama's alleged lack of experience was your show stopper, Lera. All this pick of a person a heart beat away from the presidency shows is how shallow that argument always was or how little you really value our national security. I'm sorry but rookie governor / mayor of Wassilla, ALASKA does not cut it for the national stage.

It's your party, your supposed show stopper, you defend McCain choosing her.
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Bruce K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:43pm EDT
David, I think you are missing the main point ... ethics! As far as I am concerned both tickets would now be better if they were inverted.
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Bruce K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:46pm EDT
Paul M.:
Really he should have gone with someone much older and less healthy than him like Strom Thurman's corpse so he'd look great by comparison.

Hahaha, LOL, or maybe Uma Thurman!
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Julia Star Aug 29, 2008, 1:47pm EDT
Hockey pucks. If you were really concerned, Bruce, it would sincerely bother you that McCain doesn't have better judgment than to have picked someone who looked more like Biden -- considering John's age.
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Bruce K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:49pm EDT
I wonder if the Democrats will jump on the lack of experience angle, and if you do, you will know they are desperate. This is a very astute pick on the part of the Republicans, it brings in change, but slowly and methodically, and specific, and the ethics angle is brilliant since most people know solidly that the Republicans have been ethically challenged for 30 years or more.
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Tad W. Aug 29, 2008, 1:51pm EDT
I know it's not really relevant to the debate, and she's still not getting my vote either way, but I would also like to add that I think she's REALLY attractive. :)

Now, back to why this is a good pick:

-Like it or not, it will attract voters (OF BOTH GENDERS) who were hoping Hillary would be the Dem nominee. There was still plenty of talk among some of the die-hard Hillary supporters that they'd consider voting for McCain, and this will only cement that. I don't understand it either frankly, in terms of issues Obama is much more aligned to Hillary than McCain is, but it's still a fact

- By choosing a dark horse, it helps McCain cement his maverick image. It only helps more than she's attained a maverick image herself, as well

- She seems a pretty straight-laced Republican, which should pacify the core, many of which are nervous about McCain's perceived willingness to stray from the base (see immigration and campaign reform)

- She's young, which counters the old man thing (although it simultaneously takes steam out of the "too young" attack on Obama - but that's OK, they had already driven that point home enough imo)

I STILL think it's Obama's race to lose. I STILL won't vote for either one. But I think McCain did a much better job of VP selection than Obama did. The race just got a bit more interesting, and I'm going to enjoy the next 2 months!
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Bruce K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:51pm EDT
Julia, I think you mean if I was really so mindlessly devoted to the Democrats that I can see no logic that I would have condemned this pick on the weakest of grounds. Sorry, I cannot. It is a good pick, and it will be successful in getting some votes, no doubt. Am I clear, I am voting Democrat, and I urge every other American to do the same, but I do not have to be happy about it when I see mistakes being made, do I? What happened to the idea of the loyal opposition, and not being a traitor if you are critical?
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Bruce K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:54pm EDT
Tad, I don't think it will attract anyone, but it shines a very good light on John McCain which is a very intelligent focused pick, obviously not done by the gut, or out of weakness. I think Obama looks threatened because he did not choose Hillary Clinton as his running mate, he could be viewed as appearing scared.
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Julia Star Aug 29, 2008, 1:55pm EDT
Well if you're really voting Democrat, Bruce, the train has left the station. Slap that Obama / Biden bumper sticker on your car and let the Republicans make their own lame arguments.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:57pm EDT
Tad - Very well said. She's certainly conservative, which McCain needed to get the conservative wing out to the polls in November. She reinforces his mythology with her own mythology. And she could attract both genders of people who vote for women because they are women.
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David K. Aug 29, 2008, 1:58pm EDT
Bruce - I, for one, appreciate the fact that Democrats don't all walk in lock-step, and that having differences of opinion is considered a strength of the party. [But then, I'm an Independent, so I see good (and bad) both sides.]
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Winston Smith Aug 29, 2008, 2:01pm EDT
And the Illinois legislature does?

I'm loving watching all the lefties trying to cut her down!

I love watching the media people! THey are stunned!
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Tad W. Aug 29, 2008, 2:03pm EDT
That's a very close-minded, partisan attitude Julia. What's wrong with looking at the good and bad of both sides? It sounds like you decided who to vote for in 2008 the day after Bush won in 2004. "Whoever the Dem nominee is, that's my vote!" How narrow-minded!
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Winston Smith Aug 29, 2008, 2:04pm EDT
David K,

Her son is in the military!

She is a strong woman who will bring HOPE AND CHANGE!
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