This basically a recent comment needing more exposure, no doubt it will be controversial.
Ultimate Truth is the ONLY Truth that matters ... That Truth is the Truth that will set you Free ... it is the "Basic Equation of Truth" symbolized as the BET (+=-)>(+/-).
As far as I am concerned, I learned that from GOD via my own Soul connection through a special "awakening" and subsequent "INtuitive Learning" ... (one would have to read my book to know what that was all about, unless they also had a similar experience as some have).
Truth is relative on this human realm of egoic division (believe it or not), but when it comes to the GOD as the totality of everything, GOD then becomes the absolute standard for all else in the universe of which this world is but a very small part ... yet the Hu-Man is not only a world occurrence, we represent so much more from the universal perspective of GOD due to commonalities we hold to all of sentient creation on and in many realms and levels (dimensions) of spirit.
So my relationship to GOD is a "panentheistic" relationship (any interested can do a Google to Wiki) and that to me means that the God of the earth institutionalized religions associated with Old Testament Bible were actually created by god(s) and use God in place of GOD.
Bottom line, god(s) help (?) people on earth to unite behind a God of their design ... for a purpose earth related. Such god(s) are spiritual beings but NOT of the highest vibration (divine energy), yet they know themselves related to GOD and serve a useful function for the greater purpose ... they and their "Religions" are but a relative "1st Grade" class of beginning organized teaching of the masses ... the subject has been God in a Dualistic sense of (+/-) because that is what most people deal in via their egos and the only thing that most understand ... probably related to the lack of love and predominance of fear in their lives.
People are easily led because they feel relatively powerless and seek a leader type that seems powerful enough to take care of them ... the problem has been that their standards are so low that they have allowed leaders to gain power who are not so interested in their well-being as much as their own ... such leaders and authorities tend to tell lies to maintain their positions of power and they institutionalize it all as has the Catholic Church and many others.
They then make many rules for the followers to obey ... in the name of God ... claiming that the God of the world ... and insinuating that "He" is the very GOD of the Universe ... NOT !!!
The GOD of the UNIverse makes no rules and regulations for us to follow ... leaves that all up to creation itself, including all Gods, gods, and even each of us ... because we are each and all a part of THAT GOD and make up the totality of.
There is nothing in this universal creation that is not spiritually interconnected, that includes even the rocks ... yet the higher up the energy level of frequency vibrations associated with space/time the closer we each (aspect) gets to the GOD of the WHOLE ... thus man is less than god(s) and can have a spiritual connection to god(s) which may well be less, but not necessarily so, than a connection to God ... but any connection DIRECT (from your higher Self, your Soul withIN) to GOD is as high as it gets and over-rules any other possible connections found through god(s) and God(s) ... believe it or not.
So the point being for this article is that we are each a Spiritual aspect of GOD over and above anything else ... as such we are a miniature (so to speak) (+=-) GOD ... beware the God and god(s) that are but relative Dualistic aspects of (+/-) ...
Thus whatever is done to any aspect of creation on this level and realm matters the most involving intention ... is what we do more about fear or love, lying or truth ??? Nothing else is as important !!!
Whether a baby or an adult human life is terminated here on earth never destroys any part of the Spiritual Total, there is never any "Ill Effect" upon GOD ... the only affects will be upon our own Soul aspects of GOD involving our eternal lessons of coming ever closer to GOD ... the accounting is done by Spirit (The Spirit of GOD) and is commonly called the KARMIC process ... what goes around comes around, cause and effect, and as I said, what counts the very most is our INTENTIONS !!!
IMnsHO. Jerry Kays, Aug 22, 2008, 3:54pm EDT
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This was a very good article and I really enjoyed reading it.
You are a very "deep thinker" and sometimes your insight is amazing.
However, I wonder if the word "ultimate" is even adequate
or sufficient enough to characterize God's truth.........
I'm having enough of a hard time believing in one God, without adopting the theory there are many, but if it makes you happy, this is the sound of one hand clapping. I know you get into this at a whole deeper level, of course, beyond my understanding. As for some vocal others on here, it's like the bumper sticker I saw today said, "Born once, I got it right the first time, lol."
Thanks for coming by.
This discussion which you are in the process of 'openning up' is ULTIMATELY important in our present troubled and troubling world. We can't fully know the experiences of others BUT we can gather and share the lessons learned from our common experiences as we come to understand ourselves better and better and try to express THEN what we come to know the dynamics of the 'WHOLE TRUTH and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH' (+=-)
The seeming philosophically-based dysfunctionality of the 'formula' (+/-) serves a major purpose. Its careful interpretation shows us the 'way toward a CREATIVE PARTICIPATION IN LIFE. It is a problem specifier! Participative broad debate is a necessity where 'binding together' is the eventual intended outcome. It is all about seeking the DYNAMIC ONENESS that characterizes our ONE GOD; the creator of ALLNESS.
Your and my path, Jerry, have been both similar and yet different. That is consistent with (+=-) because a further INTENT of GOD (as WE see GOD, I believe) is to give us humans (when ready) a NEW form of sophisticated FREEDOM. The Universal Intent by our Creator is to have CREATIVE, FREE, CARING, INTERACTIVE, TRUE, WHOLE-ENOUGH persons inhabit this planet. I also like to think that there is another INTENT -- which may involve billions of other planets in this UNIVERSE of ours. Conscious and Intelligent LIFE forms elsewhere can be very diverse designs, I MUST presume.
After the 'Big Bang' much diverse 'material stuff' was distributed variously to all parts of this VAST, VAST, VAST UNIVERSE. That means that LIFE FORMS may be very different on different planets throughout the UNIVERSE(S?). Each LIFE FORM thus might be both DIFFERENT and yet the SAME in special ways. SPIRIT is Non-Material, and SPIRIT is the essence of each of us human beings here, and on other planets. 'Thing' and 'Spirit-Thought' seem to be very different sorts of 'stuff'. Different categories of whatever!
WE Earthlings have historically thought of ourselves as ALONE in these VAST TIME-SPACE UNIVERSES. That is unlikely, but yet to be proven. It seems to me to be impossible that WE on Earth are the ONLY LIVING things within this extant vastness. Indeed then there is another intended 'gift' from the maker of ALL that is likely to emerge into our human living consciousnesses on Earth in the FUTURE : HUMILITY,and thus TRUE LOVE when we understand the gifts lying in wait in our infinite futures. Pragmatism will be emotionally, consciously and intellectually joined to Idealism.
In a scientific field called PSYCHOMETRICS there is a powerful and yet very important empirical and theoretical analytic method called FACTOR ANALYSIS. There are -- in some of its very varied uses -- two basic categories : (1) Communalities and (2) Uniquenesses. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factor_analysis). There is some very difficult mathematics and statistics therein but the basic structure is easy to see in a psychological sense : each human person is a compound of two capacities. The first (Communalities) suggests that there are common / shared (and infinite) features in each and every one of us. The second (Uniquenesses) notes that everyone is special/ finite with capacities to make different contributions than others. This feature of LIVINGNESS in the COMPLEX and WONDROUS Spirit (on other planets too) of each of us is a base for growth as we seek to learn FROM others and contribute TO others.In that sense -- agreeing or not agreeing -- WE ARE ONE.
I'll close this (usual) overlong comment with a personal observation of mine. I have learned from Jerry (and Jerry from me) that our experiences seem to have ended up in the same way: a wish for ever improved personal and communal enlightenment. My explorations have been different from his. Our communalities are the same; our uniquenesses different. My search for the ONENESS in ALLNESS have given me a way to think about FAITH and CLOSURE too, however.
I will likely NEVER know the fullest grandeur of ALLNESS and thus the GAP between my consciousness and the fullest kind will likely never appear to me. I KNOW that I do NOT KNOW. Therefore? I accept the Descartesian notion of Cogito ergo sum (I think and therefore I AM!). BUT I also know that the infinite is INSCRUTABLE and INFINITELY CREATIVE and, "YES", full of WISDOM yet to be FURTHER unfurled! ENDLESSLY!
Dick
I like your formula Korak ~ L O L.
I guess my point in all this is that you are not (as I see it) giving enough credit to the "1st Grade" teacher for "knowing more than He taught" when I am saying that He taught that which was appropriate for the students at the time while at the same instant putting in SEEDS of the future to urge them to move on to the next grades, etc. You moved on, but like me, you did not go into the "2nd Class" room and teacher (Muhammad) but started searching for the TRUTH on your own. We both got lost in the "halls" of the school and couldn't find the "2nd Class" room. We ended up in the library and started digging for ourselves. Does this make any sense to you?
The logic that drops in from the use of the FACTOR ANALYSIS example tries to be clear that each person is BOTH a FINITE EARTH ENTITY ( Unique) and a sort of DIVINITY (a bit less than infinite, but communal and Common-Sense based). In that sense we are each like our friends and bretheren. And we do not diverge but are held together by our COMMON (near DIVINE) ESSENCES, which are UNIVERSAL..
Dick
What you said above makes great sense to me and I am in full agreement ... I might add here that when I said "1st grade" I was actually thinking more of the Old Testament teachings and in the back of my mind, that subsequent teaching from Jesus and Mohammed were the 2nd grade stuff. (or beyond).
But I like the analogy you use.
There is certainly much mystery in the Cosmos...much that we do not understand about our origins and the nature of this place we live. We seem to be the tiniest of flyspecks on a huge wall-sized mural of great beauty and complexity. We have no idea where the mural came from...how it was created. Most of the mural we have never seen. What we do see, we do not understand.
Is it any wonder that, given our hopes and fears, we seek solace and reassurance? No, it is understandable. But that doesn't mean we are not deluding ourselves.
I disagree, but I respect your opinion. It's just as valid as mine. Neither of us knows what is real and what is an illusion.
When I contemplate the weirdness of Quantum Mechanics, and the Standard Model of subatomic physics, I sometimes suspect that we still don't really understand space, time and matter...particularly at the extremes...the MICROcosmos and the MACROcosmos.
We may still lack a few essential pieces of the puzzle.
Is some of Mark rubbing off onto you Bert ? :-)
Clearly, we are still struggling to learn even a fraction of the mysteries that the Cosmos presents to us, but I don't like the idea of limits on what we can learn.
I don't think we know enough about ourselves or "nature" to come to that conclusion. IMNSHO :)
As for "limitations" on knowledge, I am against it also, and never meant to imply that there were any, only that in order to go beyond the 50% concept, one must either forget the previous comparable info held, or realize the natural changes in such info that are always taking place ...
None of this pertains to anything other than the philosophy of the BET (+=-). :-)
Should not a persons foundational ideology make them a better, more loving and tolerant human being. I will NEVER get all of this religious battling. It so seems the antithesis of what religion should produce. So often it becomes a "my dog is bigger than your dog" scene played out with ever so much drama and ego.
Good to read you again my friend! Here is a chuckle for you and I simply know that you will understand and indeed laugh. I suspect that it will need remain a personal joke between you and I. Although I look at your numbers and go blank, in my heart of hearts I know that there is a truth, a place where science and spirit meet. When I say science I actually mean physics [numbers]. This is something that has long been with me. :))
I myself have often questioned, even with my recent experiences written of, whether I would prefer to participate in an eternity beyond this life or not. I would have no qualms whatsoever with a "lights out" death experience where there was absolutely nothing to ever think about or experience again ever ... in may ways I would welcome it ... and actually prefer it ... yet ... based solely on the mystical experiences that I have had associated with Spirit ... I also love and trust that eternity will be very rewarding in so many ways ... so one could say that I now have the "faith" to persevere ... in a way for most folks without the experiences that I have had, it is more of a flip of the coin matter ... and based upon an awful lot of "religious" concepts propagated, I can also envision having a preference for "tails". :-)
"We have no idea where the mural came from..."
There simply is no such "We". The speaker has no possible way of knowing that others are in the . . . "unknowing" condition he declares. It is simply irrational to think along such lines. And the fact that the author still does, indicates to this person, that they do not know either.
You are alone folks, one and all. Think and speak for yourself, or you lie.
Truth would have little or no meaning if it were smothered in a Godless void of mediocrity. In such a scenario truth would be but a meaningless and pointless concept. Darkness basks in the shadowy recesses of thoses gray areas where false witnesses prevail.
The selfish, self-serving among us create gray areas, which in itself are lies, to justify and validate their own existence, judgments, decisions, purposes, and subjective interests in their lives. Truth is not a complicated concept to understand when one lives their life in an uncompromising life of indefatigable righteousness with conviction and clarity of the facts.
Grey areas bring to mind indecision ~ a form of LOSTness ~ on the fence not lit....
What are grey areas to you Jerry?
Mine is the Trinity view of (+=-) where we should relate to the Spirit of GOD and INvolve ourselves in the Total from the Center, the "grey area" of Balance. It is only a matter of indecision when one knows not enough of the facts of both sides to be able to decide ... know all facts from the center and then decide ... you will be much less likely to become a polarized "extremist" of a judgmental nature, and maybe even be able to convince the "other" side to see it your way ... at least you may not have to become polarized enemies with the person who thinks different.
(Gray Areas) are NOT a meeting of the minds, or where the Spirit of God would be the most noticeable. Places like here on Gather and any other exchanges of thought serve that purpose. Gray areas are created by individuals to justify their own self-serving purposes – period - while wallowing in their own self-inflicted mere existence in mediocrity. It is a position (NOT a place) where the individual believes that the end justifies the means. Gray areas are fraught with singular half-truths and lies. Its only purpose is for a perceived yet temporary feel-good masking of the truth. Gray areas can only be found within one’s own self-importance and deception of the facts. Gray areas are for those whose definitions of right and wrong are clouded and/or distorted to justify their own subjective purposes and narrow-minded selfish means.
The Bible spells it out for all of us in truth for peace, love, hope, joy, and the heart’s desire for all things good.
Truth has its quintessential foundation and roots from the Bible.
Is it any wonder that you would want to stay as far away from any grey areas as you could, associating such greys as black, dark, evil, in your minds, with the belief held that Satan is powerful and out to "get you" ... probably more about Fear of Satan than Love of God it seems ... (?)
That's cute the way you talk about the little people in your head . . . what they think, and why, and their robotic little egos, choosin' up sides like that. I was curious though; I get who the one side is, the "Dualist", but who is the other side? They would be the "Trinitarians"?
The most egotistical of egos then is the one that will call the shots and itself as the (+) making all others by default the lesser or (-)s ...
Then the (-) hear what they have been called and react back in conflict and the conflict continues as cause and effect ad nauseum. The state of our present day world.Far Right Conservatives, many of them religious Evangelical, calling their "opposition" (which is only opposing them because they say and think so) the Left and Liberals as the cause, reason and source of the world (theirs, love it or leave it) problems (as defined mostly by them). ...
Anyway, that takes care of the dualists, those without Spirit.
Given the Spirit of GOD as (=) makes a dualist (probably the Liberals first because the Conservatives are too stubborn) a Trinitarian... able to finally see the Truth of (+=-)=(+/-) ... at least (+=-)>(+/-) ... but for sure knowing themselves as (-) related to the Self (=) as (+=-).
So Trinitarians are then no longer dualists ... but they can then see what they couldn't before, the INterconnectivity of all ... and then like myself they try and educate others to the Truth that set them Free ...
"The "dualist" John, is obvious, the side of imbalanced ego that chooses to compare itself with others in order to think that it is one way or the other"
You mean like you are doing here? . . comparing these "sides" and stuff, and declaring you're not like some "them" that are on one side? I don't see how you are doing anything differently than what you are decrying others as dfualistic for doing . . . You draw up these "sides", and "demonize" one side, calling them this and labeling them that, and saying you are not like them . . . Just as you said was the most egotistical, dualistic sort of thinking.
If that's not a good way to behave, and will just lead to more conflict . . why are you doing it?
To a dualist, such as yourself, everything looks like dualism. Not so with me no matter what you charge.
And this distinguishes your actions, from whose? If it's fine for you to do that, why are you calling other's "dualists" when they do it?
"To a dualist, such as yourself, everything looks like dualism"
But the catch is, Jer, I'm not the one that sees everything as dualism . . . you are, remember? Everything does not look like dualism to me . .
God's Bible is our foundation and guide. If we didn't have The Bible to guide us everyone would only have their inherent imperfections in a free-for-all existence based on their own intrinsic imaginations. Do you really know, for sure, who’s whispering in your ear? Who do you know that would throw out The GOOD BOOK in exchange for any ambiguous and unsupported alternative based on what you and some obscure entity might think?
Jerry, you speak of a higher truth. Without that basic Biblical foundation in truth we would only wander aimlessly within a mediocrity of our own making.
In truth, there can be nothing truer than truth itself.
John is making significant points from the perspective of a "normal" person ... normal being typically an ego view, objective, and, aware or not, dualistic.
That, Simon, is the way that we have all been raised and that pretty much based upon the "western" (Christian) view of polarized opposites, IE dualism and it's supposed dichotomies.
You see, I know this because I used to be "normal", just like you and John ... the major difference being that I did not take up a dualistic religion involving my spirituality ... I held out for something else, what I sought was a higher truth because I was not at all satisfied with what I knew of the religions that I was aware of, most notably Christianity as I had seen it practiced all of my almost 50 years up to "then" ...
"Then" being when I experienced GOD first hand, being without a doubt the highest truth I could ever imagine and unconditional love ... what more could one ask for who sought only that ?
Subsequently I learned the BET (+=-) and the Trinity nature of everything ... all of my efforts ever since have been to point out my findings ... what better way than to explain to folks their own duality ... usually not at all recognized yet by them, but never the less very true in most cases ... by their fruit they shall be known ... and until one has "tasted" the different fruits, Duality and Trinity, one will never really be able to tell much about the one untasted.
Your view that the GOOD BOOK is the standard for morality has some merit in the popular opinion anyway ... that from 2,000 years of it being claimed so by countless proponents who are very avid about it.
But when one looks at the state of the world today one does not see all that much that is so great about how people act and think ... IMnsHO anyway.
Sure, the religious claim the high road of piety and righteousness and insist that the problems stem from the "others" ... that is most surely arguable, at least by the "others" ...
Especially when all know that Jesus the Christ was a very progressive and liberal personage, very wise and loving ... a far cry from what is displayed daily by so many of his supposed followers, especially the FOX loving farther right conservative Evangelical crowd that was so gung-ho for GWB and the neocon people spreading imperialism around the world ... way too much fear and resulting hatreds involved, not very "Christ like" !!!
Of course that is just one rather small example of "their" performances (fruits) ... I need not go on ... so to claim that "others" are the source of world problems just doesn't hold water.
Anyway, believe it or not, and I imagine that you will not, but the spiritual experience(s) that I have had have convinced me of the validity of what GOD should be if I were to demand certain qualities from Him/Her/It ... that being as I have already said, Highest Truth and UNconditional Love ... that is my experience ... that is my message.
I suggest that others can have a same or similar experience and receive the benefits thereof ...but of course to each their own ... my view is that the more people that see things the way I promote, the better this world will become for everyone ... because we all want Love and Truth, it is programmed into our very DNA ... it is our destiny.
One would have to read a lot more than a few of my articles and many comments to understand properly, but that is why I wrote a book about it all and offer it to be freely down-loadable from my website ... or for purchase, through Amazon and others, recommended naturally.
For those who question, challenge, or attempt to disprove my assertions, I say bring it on ... I stand by it all with my very life and eternal future.
Incongruent, deceptive, and manipulative labels such as yours Jerry will only give you a false sense of security in obscurity. True Christians know who they are. Christians have the Bible as their guide rooted in truth – Gods truth. From what you have said and profess, your beliefs can only be based on an opinion that is wrapped in ambiguity with no foundation in reality or truth. The only book that you have to offer is one of your own making, presumably inspired by an otherwise obscure entity that only reveals what it wants you to hear for its own purposes, and if you were to succeed in leading any flock astray, maybe some future secret agenda. Even satan used quotes from the Bible to tempt and deceive Christ to its will. It’s easy to become deceived when NOT grounded in established facts.
Throughout history, countless false religions and beliefs have come and gone and still man continues his futile attempts to perch himself above God’s word. The byproduct of arrogance in dissatisfaction when ruling over God’s perfect word can only result in chaos. That is the chaos we are facing in this world today and it will only get worse as people fall away from the Bible’s teachings. As it is written in Prophesy, that bubble will eventually burst because of man’s false sense of self.
This post is supposed to be about truth, which it is not. You are in reality using truth to sell your own agenda. You have NO corroborating evidence to support your claims and hypothesis in truth. You stated, “Ultimate Truth is the ONLY Truth that matters.” In an attempt to validate your subjective views you used half truths in the guise of truth to brainwash people and defend something that is unsupported, indefensible, and only manipulative in its presentation of which only exists in your mind. As I have said many times, in a free society you can believe anything you want. Now all that is left is for people to see the truth or fallacy of the matter in question.
“In truth, there can be nothing truer, or greater, than truth itself.
Too bad you have not yet discovered it ... the Truth ... your words are those of orthodoxy, the standard Christian line, that has not worked for over 2,000 years ... it is way past time for an alternative attempt at peace through love and truth of a real transcendent nature, the real of the esoteric rather than the pseudo of the exoteric.
If anyone would like to really read about it from various angles, and you have some time, you might try these links in the order given here, they are all a continuation of one subject, truth.
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?memberId=77130&articleId=281474976861166&nav=Namespace
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?memberId=77130&articleId=281474976868765&nav=Namespace
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"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."
Truth is not a complicated concept to understand when one lives their life as an uncompromising person of indefatigable righteousness with conviction and clarity of the facts.
Is that too sensible, or logical, in your . . . system?
Every Soul has a plan for it's ego self, speaks constantly to the ego via INtuition... those who listen thrive, those who do not strive.
Truth in it's highest most pure form is GOD, UNconditional LOVE, TRUTH ... everything else is "downhill" from there ... GOD helps those who help themselves ... even if they ask for less, such as say a God, they will be helped to just that experience ... as long as they are happy and satisfied in that experience, they will ask for nothing better... GOD grants them just what they really and truly want (provided it does not interfere in the greater plan of their Soul and Creation itSelf) ...
Thus there is something for everyone, and always something better should they ever choose to seek it.
All I do here is offer to others what my own experience and learning has been ... it is but an alternative way of thought, none are forced, I only suggest ... I am not looking for personal fame and fortune, especially not followers ... I see myself as but a teacher attempting to teach ... and I use my ego to "contest" with other egos when I feel that to be called for where hopefully more effective to accomplish the goal of eventual sharing of enlightenment. Very simple really.
No, you don't seem to get it . . . To me, your proclamations are just something a dude named Jerry says, not the basis for an alternative experience or personal understanding about God, or the universe, or religion, spirituality, love, or any of that stuff. Like, if you say;
"Every Soul has a plan for it's ego self . . "
. . I don't start getting all dreamy and interested, trying to imagine a soul planning things for anyone, that would be sheepish behaviour. I don't start wondering whether this or that little scenario you try to generate is "the way it all is", I wonder why you would think such proclamations would carry an weight at all for me. I wonder why you would tell us not to be gullible about what others tell us of these sorts of things, not to accept some supposed authority's version of reality, but stick with what we understand and experience ourselves . . and then go right ahead and start telling us your version of reality.
It's like you can't grasp the notion that people can follow what you say, and see that you are asking us to do the very thing you just told us is not the right way to approach all this stuff. Like you actually think that we will accept what you declare, without any evidence whatsoever that you are doing anything different, than you just told us we ought not follow along with, not be suckers for.
What I see, is a man saying "Don't let others define this spirituality/religion/God stuff for you, that would be following . . . let me". "Don't believe what others try to convince you is the reality you find yourself in, that would make you a sheep . . . let me".
Sir, to everyone but you, you are one of those others that you just told us not to accept as authorities. Only to you, are you not one of the others. We can't just plug in your concepts and experiences and words, as if our own, no more than you could plug in ours, as if your own. It would still be ours, not yours . . . Get what I'm saying?
" Every Soul has a plan . . "
" . . those who listen thrive, those who do not strive . . "
" . . those who help themselves. . "
" . . even if they ask for less . . "
" . . something for everyone . . "
etc, etc . .
I was accommodating YOUR statements, which are clearly not just speaking to or about me personally, so I said; you told "us", that "we" cannot just . . etc. etc. . . . Standard English, Jer ; )
You have probably millions that recommend your view, I have hardly any ... but that is just the way it is when change is needed ... the same as in the day that Jesus presented his view.
Again, to each their own ...
Those who don't read the Bible are the dim witted ones ? ... really ?
Simon, I LOVED this!!
(I'm thinking about embroidering it into a sampler and hanging it on my wall!!)
"Every dewdrop and raindrop has a whole heaven within it."
That to me is the ultimate truth. It sits in everyone and everything, and no one owns it.
Is it the truth that "truth is relative"?
Thanks for coming by.
Now, THAT'S what I call "relative truth" ; )
The "greater" than (>) denotes the differential associated with ego man's reality of dualism (+/-) as the lessor, "compared to," the GODly Spiritual reality of Trinity (+=-) which is the transcendent.
Yet because there is something for everyone, from the spiritual perspective, even (+/-) is OK and no greater or lessor in "that" understanding (that I have used on occasion) of (+=-)=(+/-).
Thus:
(+/-) ego perspective.
(+=-) Transcended perspective.
(+=-)>(+/-) Transcended perspective related to ego perspective.
(+=-)=(+/-) Pure Spirit perspective.
Women tend to be naturally more "Right Brained" and just accept and/or reject when needed, on an emotional (from the heart) level.
When a man, such as myself "Wakes Up" Spiritually, it is because they have transcended the male ego pride condition of Left brain Only logic and opened to the emotions of Love more related to GOD's Spirit ... which is really a Balancing of the use of BOTH SIDES of the brain, Left and Right.
It is the PRIDE of the lonely EGO (generally a male trait) that tends to DIVIDE people DUAListically (+/-) ...
It is the HUMBLENESS (of TRUE humility) that ALLOWS and HONOURS our SPIRITUAL INterconnection.
Thanks for the consideration Kathleen.
In dealing with you as long as I have it is noticed by me that you are still TOO prideful in needing to be right in logic ... and I think you have a hard time equating GOD, and especially THE SPIRIT, with the "equality" that I propose, you in your dualism seem to require that He/It be POSITIVE (+) ONLY.
Just my observation.
The formulae is accurate and works in all cases for a spiritual person that allows the truth of spirit. I stake everything on that, including my very life. Guaranteed ! Once actually understood, others will feel the same way ... it is just that important.
The ONLY ABSOLUTE is GOD ... and it IS the "equality" that represents THAT. It is thus the "equality" that is the absolute in EVERY case. (it is the "other two" that are relatives only).
YES, THAT is a PARADOX ... to a dualist.
Absolutely everything is spiritually interconnected to some degree or other and it is unimaginably complex when one seeks specifics ... all is constantly changing and as some things deteriorate other things are growing in creation ... to separate out a concept of the Soul for the purpose of making decisions about the point of "viability" as regards a "baby" in it's various "stages" ... is really not as important as is the complete package of "INtentions" by the person considering ... Spirit Knows, and adapts well, always loves and completely forgives the highest intentions all things considered ... it is all really a personal relationship in the end, no matter what "institutions" claim.
I too have done the research and see how all the subdivisions have been passed down and the stories distorted, but it is true, without guidance you have chaos. So what does one do? You except your surroundings and you harness the power of God to get you through the masses stumbling into the era of true freedom.
Thanks for yo