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by John Philipp
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August 10, 2006

Baggage fees? What’s next?

August 18, 2008 05:25 AM EDT (Updated: August 18, 2008 05:32 AM EDT)
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“Bathroom behavior is an example of inelastic demand.”
The price of fuel is killing the airlines. They are left with only two choices: “fee-for-all” or “free fall.”

The “fee-for-all” alternative is to charge for services that used to be free to contain the airline cost hemorrhaging. The “free fall” option would halve fuel costs by shutting off all engines mid-flight and coasting to a deadstick landing, as soon as the PR people come up with a more passenger-friendly term than “deadstick.”

The airline industry conducted extensive market research with focus groups of frequent fliers, occasional fliers and “you couldn’t pay me enough to get in one of those deathtraps” non-fliers (who, for the purpose of the airline’s next prospectus, will be referred to as “future fliers.”)

Surprisingly, it was a tight race between safety and pay toilets. Tipping the scales was the realization that half-fuel flights would be like riding a roller coaster: the screaming would start once the plane started down and continue until it was safely at the ramp. This would amount to 7 plus hours of yelling on the New York-Tokyo run, making it impossible to enjoy the soundtrack of “King Fu Panda.”

Once the decision was made to charge fees for previously free services, the airlines put on their thinking caps. They had already started charging fees for the major free services such as meals. To survive they would need to be creative and come up with a potpourri of smaller services to charge for.

The airlines were up to the task. There is nothing like the threat of imminent unemployment to motivate a group of previously fat and happy corporate executives. They even came up with an upscale term for what they were already doing: “a la carte pricing.” You think you are in a fancy French restaurant — until you look down at the tuna slamwich on your tray table.

Here are the fees you will be paying in the near future — some you probably expected and some you never saw coming:

* Luggage: Most airlines have already instituted a charge for a second checked bag and some airlines have announced charges for the first checked bag.
Insider Scoop: Expect by 2009 to pay for carry-ons though this fee will be disguised as a rental fee for storage: $10 for the overhead bin and $5 for the space under the seat in front of you.

* Entertainment: Passengers have been dodging around headset fees by plugging in their own earphones. Shortly you will have to buy a rubber “headset adapter” to avoid being shocked by the electric current now being wired into the seats.

* Seating preference: “The early booker gets the worm” was once the motto of frequent travelers. No more. Soon, if you want a window, an aisle or a little more legroom, you will be ponying up a few extra dollars for the privilege.
Insider Scoop: One airline is considering auctioning off seat preferences in the gate area before each flight. Management sees this as a way to raise even more revenue and to provide some excitement during the otherwise boring gate wait.

* Charging by the pound: This is one fee that makes economic sense. The heavier the plane, the more fuel is burned. Southwest already charges for two seats if you’re so large you cannot lower the armrest.

* Bathroom privileges: In the economic model of supply and demand, bathroom behavior is an example of inelastic demand. An aisle seat with extra legroom is a luxury. Having to go to the bathroom at 30,000 feet is a necessity. There is also the opportunity to have a tiered pricing structure for bathrooms depending upon … I’ll let your imagination take it from there.

Painful as they are, travel costs are not what bother me most because I have options. What I worry about is the resulting fee frenzy that will be kicked off by the airlines charging for what was once free.

I look around and I see the group of service providers who are most affected by rising costs and can do the least about reducing them: governments — state, local and federal.

What’s it worth to you to move to first place on the 911 phone queue when your house is on fire?
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Comments: 151

Jim Swan Aug 18, 2008, 5:34am EDT
This is the least funny essay I've ever read -- I'm flying Osaka to San Franciso next week . . . :-(

LOL

Jim
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 5:37am EDT
Hi Jim, your first sentence shocked me — until I read your second sentence.

Instead of "least funny" maybe we could say "Ill-timed."

Have a great trip.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 5:38am EDT
NOTE TO ALL: I’m on vacation and about to go into the mountains for the rest of the week where there are children and grandchildren but may or may not be any Internet.

If I do not respond to your comments it is because I cannot — nothing personal.
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Mike Ellwood Aug 18, 2008, 5:54am EDT
The benefits of charging by the pound (passenger + luggage) are manifest.
Furthermore, I have noticed that when I buy my 32 inch waist trousers, much larger examples of the same trousers with more stitching required and more material, are selling for the same price. In other words, I am subsidising the trousers of obese. Surely this is wrong?
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 6:16am EDT
One would think so, Mike.

If people were charged for clothes based on the amount of material used, I wonder if that would have an effect on waistlines around the country.

The alternative is that the heavier I was the skimpier clothes I would pay to maintain the price — and that would be wrong on so many levels.

and, Mike, I don't want to ehar any morea about your 32 inch waist trousers. :)
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Heather C. Aug 18, 2008, 6:37am EDT
Funny thing, my weight is all in my stomach, and I have a tiny butt, so I slide right in one seat...course when they pull out the scale I'm in trouble.....
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 6:47am EDT
Heather, you raise another aspect of the pay as you weight issue.

I suspect the airlines won't care where we come out on this. For the moment, you and your tiny butt are safe.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 6:49am EDT
FLASH: Starting today United Airlines is charging $15 for the first bag checked in coach, $25 for the second.
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lena k. Aug 18, 2008, 7:10am EDT
i don't ride planes
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Judi F. Aug 18, 2008, 7:10am EDT
as usual, John, humorous yet thought provoking. And that's it from me. I got nuthin'
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 7:13am EDT
Lena, no one is safe from the coming "fee-frenzy." You just have a temporary reprieve.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 7:14am EDT
Judi, I think your problem is not that you got nuthin', it's that you're putting all your somthin's into your novels.

Way to go, girl!
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Priscilla (wishing I was in Costa Rica) ~. Aug 18, 2008, 7:59am EDT
We recently flew to Minnesota for a family vacation. We flew Northwest up there & then American (I think) on the return. No baggage fees from Northwest, but of course coming home...with more crap than we went with, we had to check 3 bags (1 per person), and paid $45.00 for the privilege.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 8:03am EDT
And it's only the beginning, Priscilla.
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Kathryn E. Aug 18, 2008, 8:05am EDT
Fee for all. Horrible and yes, just the beginning.
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Cassandra M. Aug 18, 2008, 8:15am EDT
I'm in trouble then, I'm a big girl. Oh well, good thing I don't travel by plane.I do find it a little stupid to charge by the pound, and a little insulting if they weigh everyone. However, I will say this: Majority of the plus sized clothing are more expensive once you get to what is called extended sizes. Except in men's clothing. I'm not sure why.
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Greg Schiller Aug 18, 2008, 8:19am EDT
Why not charge for "controlled" vs. "uncontrolled" landings?

Here's how it would work. Pilots have only so many flying hours in a month. Say you are flying to Australia and your pilot only has 4 flying hours left at take-off. You get the choice, either kick in for over-time or chance an uncontrolled landing.

Sounds fair - and economical.
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Sandre M. Aug 18, 2008, 8:25am EDT
I must confess to only an academic interest in the topic of airline travel since I haven't flown since the Reagan Administration. Thanks for starting my Monday off right!
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Elizabeth H. Aug 18, 2008, 8:27am EDT
How much for air to breath?
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 8:27am EDT
"Fee for all. Horrible and yes, just the beginning."

I'm afraid you're right, Kathryn.
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Julia Star Aug 18, 2008, 8:32am EDT
Flying used to be fun. It isn't fun to be treated like cattle and then nickel and dimed. Charge what you have to for the ticket and let the experience be more enjoyable.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 8:33am EDT
Shhh, Elizabeth. Don't give them any ideas.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 8:34am EDT
I'm with you, Julia. Don't know why theya re going nthe "fee" route rather than the "fare" route.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 8:34am EDT
Cassandra, thanks for the information about the clothes.

I also have no idea why men's prices don't go up. I'm sure there's a funny answer in there somewhere but I'm still a little jet-lagged and the caffeine hasn't kicked in yet.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 8:35am EDT
"controlled" vs. "uncontrolled" landings?"

Interesting and novel idea, Greg.

As a pilot, I thought you were going to suggest we can decide when we get there wther to use an air traffic controller or not.

I was once on a flight landing where there was a big storm coming. The pilot said over the intercom, "They're shutting down the airport but I convinced the controller we're were equipped to handle it."

I thought, "Shouldn't we have all voted on that?"
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 8:35am EDT
Hi, Sandre.

Did you have a favorite air traffic controller who got fired?
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Leslie ~ from NYC ~ R. Aug 18, 2008, 9:13am EDT
Some of the airlines are charging up to $7 for blanket and pillow.
I bought a large bottle of water before getting on the plane for the last flight - still it's a rip off.
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Jennifer aka Jenn B. Aug 18, 2008, 9:20am EDT
John...My last trip they announced not to use the toilets as they didn't work...after we were boarded...
then they said you may have something to drink but you must request it...
Thinking about doing what never dreamed of doing before...Driving to our ski trip location!
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A. F. Stewart Aug 18, 2008, 9:23am EDT
I hope the airlines don't read this, they might get ideas.
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Bert Van Essen Aug 18, 2008, 9:25am EDT
You may be more right about raising fee than you realize. Except the dead stick landing. The passengers won't notice because they will play engine noises when they run out of fuel.
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dianne j. Aug 18, 2008, 9:29am EDT
Under the circumstances, I think it is only fair if we get to charge the airlines a per-minute fee for being late and a per-minute fee for the plane sitting on the tarmac and going nowhere. There should also be a larger penalty for bumping people from overbooked flights.

If we chose to fight back, I'm sure we could come up with enough penalties to compensate for these ridiculous fees. Next trip for me will be by train.
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ann c. Aug 18, 2008, 10:12am EDT
I don't travel by plane very often. I can see both sides of this problem though.
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Richard Frisbie Aug 18, 2008, 10:35am EDT
Funny, John. Mostly, I travel first or business class (on someone else's dime - I assure you) and I always collect an extra bag of handout/promotional material/gifts that have to be checked on my return flight. I'd hate to have to pay to get all that crap home. I suppose I wouldn't mind paying to leave some crap in the plane, though. (if you catch my drift)
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Kimberly Ripley Aug 18, 2008, 10:36am EDT
Enjoy the wilderness, John.

Re: the airlines......it's why I like to drive!
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C A. Aug 18, 2008, 10:50am EDT
LOL! Can you say "road trip"?
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Chas Andrews Aug 18, 2008, 10:59am EDT
good one
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 11:24am EDT
OK, in the mouintains and we finally figured out the wireless and rediscovered the password so I'm back onlione for a while anyway.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 11:24am EDT
Sue, long trips, like Japan, are really getting expensive.

Seems California-Hawaii has gone from about $300 to $900 no that therea re only two airlines. Know some resort people there and they say winter bookings are dismal.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 11:24am EDT
"if the plane has to do an emergency landing will oxygen masks, flotation devices, etc. have a fee. Will there be a "saved your life" fee if the crash landing was a success"

I shudder to think, Judi.

I probably should delete your comment so an airline exec doesn't read it :)
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 11:24am EDT
Leslie, charging for a blanket and pillow seems unconscionable.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 11:24am EDT
" I hope the airlines don't read this, they might get ideas."

A F, it is a calculated risk.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 11:25am EDT
"they will play engine noises when they run out of fuel."

Bert,a positively brilliant idea.

(ATM machines play recorded sound when you think it's counting out your bills.)
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 11:25am EDT
"I think it is only fair if we get to charge the airlines a per-minute fee for being late and a per-minute fee for the plane sitting on the tarmac and going nowhere. "

Dianne, that's excellent.

Back charges. That's how we'll combat the fee frenzy.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 11:26am EDT
True, Ann. The airlines are under a lot of economic pressure.

You think your car is expensive to run these days!
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 11:26am EDT
Richard, me too. But lately I've been flying more on my own dime and it is getting stretched.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 11:26am EDT
Thanks, Kim. It's just that California to PA is kind of a long trip by car.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 11:26am EDT
Chandra, I can say "road trip" but I don't like to. :)
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 11:26am EDT
Thanks, Chas.
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Bill W. Aug 18, 2008, 11:40am EDT
I think extra hydrogen is the answer. If the passengers hype up on hydrogen just before boarding and they gas up their luggage with the stuff, they will be lighter. They should pay less of course. When they get on the ground they can exhale into the gas tank of the rental car and go to hell on the extra fuel.

Rest easy
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Robert - just a simple man - B. Aug 18, 2008, 11:43am EDT
Pay to pee, doesn't work. People 'crawl under'.
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Bill W. Aug 18, 2008, 11:43am EDT
Wait a minute -- What if all the gals pump up their breasts with hydrogen before boarding? Woops, probably not enough space between the seats.

Rest easy
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Robert - just a simple man - B. Aug 18, 2008, 11:43am EDT
John, I would like to know the airline you are taking to get to the moutains, I would like to forward them a copy of this essay in hopes of obtaining you a bevy of airline VIP awards and preferred treatment. They may even wedge you behind two 300lb blue-haired ladies thus saving you the expense of actually having to buy a seat.

Oh, and btw, perhaps you should bring your own favorite parachute with you.
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Patricia J. Aug 18, 2008, 12:00pm EDT
John, some of those fees are just scary enough to be true. I'm sure the airlines have thought of some of them and are just waiting for the right moment to spring them on us.
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Shelbia C. Aug 18, 2008, 12:09pm EDT
Forunately, I don't fly very often. so it would rarely effect me, but I still think it is dumb. Flat rates would be better even if they have to be more. At least you know what to expect upfront and can plan accordingly. I have images of needing to pee and not having cash on me and being forced to hold it the entire trip only to get off the plane and find that the airport has pay toilets too.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 12:14pm EDT
Shelbia, very funny (well, not so funny if it was happening to me.)

Definitely the pay-to-pay has a lot of pitfalls.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 12:14pm EDT
Jenn, I think the government is concerned that pay-to-pee would be a tipping poiont for the Next American Revolution.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 12:14pm EDT
Bill, THAT idea should be sent to the airlines.

(Maybe you should patent it first).
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 12:14pm EDT
Robert, maybe you crawl under put most of those rest rooms I'm not crawling on the floor.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 12:14pm EDT
Bill, LMAO.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 12:15pm EDT
Thanks, for the offer Robert.

Actually I used miles and flew United to Newark and then drove to the mountains with one of my daughters.
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Sheila Deeth Aug 18, 2008, 12:41pm EDT
I feel sure I read a novel a few years ago about a world where you paid emergency insurance to get better 911 response. Wish I could remember what book.

Fun article.
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Andrea (Ms. Conservative) L. Aug 18, 2008, 12:47pm EDT
not surprising
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Jonathan S. Aug 18, 2008, 12:52pm EDT
How about positive fees? That is, allow people to pay extra so that they won't be seated in front of the five-year-old whose primary amusement is kicking you in the kidneys all the way from New York to LA.

Or charge extra for the right to recline your seat - and sell seats in the areas where the seat doesn't recline to those people who actually want to use their laptops without having the screen crushed by the person in front of them.
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Vivian A. Aug 18, 2008, 12:56pm EDT
Having done 11 legs over a 2.5 weeks period, this is not amusing. Okay, it is, but only because of the ludicrous nature of so much of it. Yes, my weight all items except a small purse were placed on a scale prior to two flights. Granted it was an eight-seater propeller plane and they determined seating assignment according to balance for the plane.

The upshot- the real food they serve now is better than when they served the whole plane. I actually ate a meal. I usually pick at the fruit and rearrange the items, but this time I actually consumed it. Hmmm... does this say more about the improvement in airline food or the quality of food I experienced in those locations?
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Jonathan S. Aug 18, 2008, 12:59pm EDT
In all seriousness, as a frequent flyer, I have this discussion with my father-in-law all the time. My thought is, if the airlines are finding costs rising, why are they trying to address them by nickel-and-diming the passengers? Would it not make more sense to raise fares across the board by a smaller increment - say, $15 - and recoup your money from the relatively inelastic portion of air travel demand represented by business travelers, rather than telling people "Well, your flight is $200 for each of you, but having aisle seats is another $25 each, your baggage will cost you $30 each, a meal is $10 each, and headphones for the movies are $3 per person." - for a total of $268.00 per person."

By imposing baggage fees, preferential-seating fees, and other charges for things that used to be, if not free, buried in the ticket price, the airlines are attempting to appear as if they can still offer low fares - only because they don't tell you what doesn't come with that fare any more.
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Hilary P. Aug 18, 2008, 1:15pm EDT
I would much rather airlines just raise the price of tickets as opposed to nickel and dime-ing me.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 1:30pm EDT
Hilary, I would also.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 1:32pm EDT
I'm afraid you may be right, Patricia.

Maybe we should all talk "nice" to the airlines.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 1:32pm EDT
Sheila, the extra for level of 911 service is what I'm talking about — or worried about.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 1:32pm EDT
Andrea, I'm afraid it isn't surprising.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 1:32pm EDT
Jonathan, positive fees is a great idea.

We know they need to charge fees. We should be lobbying for the fees we want to pay rather than the ones we don't want.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 1:32pm EDT
Vivian, the sandwiches you buy on board are better than the free ones you used to get — but still a long way from deli quality. I usually buy and take on board.

As a past owner of a small plane, I can tell you that for the little guys, Weight & Balance is a critical — and I mean critical — issue.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 1:33pm EDT
Jonathan, you comment about the fee structure makes sense to me.

I don't know why they're taking the fee approach — but then I never understood why a seat was so much cheaper if I stayed over a Saturday night.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 1:36pm EDT
Dan, all excellentdisturbing suggestions (meaning just the kind the airlines might like).

Except for the private Air Marshall. Can you employ hjim for a period before and after the flight?
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Pie S. Aug 18, 2008, 1:45pm EDT
Just another sign of our declining ecomony.I have never flown and the way things look right now-I don't plan on it.I can't afford driving anywhere either so,no vacation for me anytime soon.That's a shame too....
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Ishbel R. Aug 18, 2008, 2:10pm EDT
In Europe, with many airlines, we are charged for food, for aisle/exit row seating, for baggage. If they start charging for using loos as well....
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Angela A. Aug 18, 2008, 2:26pm EDT
Here's a concept.. Eat a big meal before you go on the plane. Drink tons of water, use the call button to get the Flight Attendant to your side, and repeat every half hour that you have to pee. Maybe then, they might reconsider charging those bathroom fees. Te he!
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Jonathan S. Aug 18, 2008, 2:38pm EDT
Ishbel, I think what we're seeing in the US is a lot of airlines going the Ryanair route - charging for everything over and above getting on the plane - without the bargain prices that come with flying on that type of airline. That's what has a lot of people worked up - you're not flying a "budget airline" but you are paying "budget airline" fees.

The only difference between the two is, when my wife and I flew from Stansted to Glasgow on Ryanair last spring, one of our bags was over-weight and we would have been charged for it - but the agent at the desk suggested we re-balance things and get it under the weight limit. Here, it doesn't matter if the second bag weighs 1 lb. or 100, you're paying for it.
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Jennifer N. Aug 18, 2008, 2:43pm EDT
John the sad thing here is that I don't doubt any of it!

When I heard about the luggage charges I just shook my head. When we travel we have 3 checked luggages and three MORE carry ons! Can you imagine those fees now? SO GLAD I take the train now!

The news about flying with less fuel is baffling at best. Why risk everyone's safety to avoid buying gas that you KNOW you will be buying later anyway? It makes no sense!
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Elmo A. Aug 18, 2008, 3:12pm EDT
My niece booked early and got a good rate and seat. Airline changed both before she departed. Seems like after you have bought it, you have bought it to me.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 3:47pm EDT
Elmo, I never heard of that. Well, seats occasionally, but I can't imagine price isn't fixed.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 3:47pm EDT
Cheyanne, prices will come down again (gas and air travel). These things always go in cycles.

Hang on to that vacation time.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 3:47pm EDT
Ishbel, sounds like you are the early warning system as you'ree doing some things we aren't yet.

PLEASE email us immediately if European airlines start charging for the loo.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 3:48pm EDT
Dan, you never mentioned female air marshalls.

Now your idea scores even higher — unless they're built like an air marshall in which case ...
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 3:48pm EDT
Angela, excellent idea.

To carry it a step further, I am reminded of: A diaper-proof terrorist defense
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 3:49pm EDT
Jennifer, flying with less fuel is my humble attempt at what is known in the trade as "gallows humor."
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Vic Needs Coffee Aug 18, 2008, 4:17pm EDT
I can see the security checkpoints takeing forever now as people wear 5 pairs of pants and shirts to avoid checking baggage or carry-ons...lol.
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amy s. Aug 18, 2008, 4:47pm EDT
thanks for sharing just stopping by to give you a howdy do
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Jonathan S. Aug 18, 2008, 5:12pm EDT
Let's not encourage behavior such as wearing 5 pairs of pants on planes that charge for toilet privileges, please...
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Adele G. Aug 18, 2008, 5:25pm EDT
Great article, enjoy your vacation.
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Marge H. Aug 18, 2008, 5:33pm EDT
If they start charging to pee, people may stop drinking and they won't make money on either end.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 7:06pm EDT
Sue, that's what's happening with the Hawaii travel business.

I think the long distance fares are going to be pegged to the avgas prices.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 7:06pm EDT
Vic, I see you are already inventing some work-around strategies to the fee tactics.

Good for you.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 7:07pm EDT
Howdy do, Amy.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 7:07pm EDT
Vic, Jonathan has a point there about the five pair of pants and pay toilets.
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John Philipp Aug 18, 2008, 7:07pm EDT
Thanks, Adele. I am enjoying it.
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