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by Jared P.
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March 6, 2008

Political Malpractice

July 24, 2008 08:58 AM EDT (Updated: July 24, 2008 09:00 AM EDT)
views: 239 | rating: 5.7/10 (15 votes) | comments: 133

Confuses Somalia and Sudan (a slip)

Putin is the President of Germany (another slip)

Doesn't know Czechoslovakia ceased to exist 15 years ago (three slips)

Confuses Sunni and Shia (we've used slip too much. MISSPOKE)

Doesn't know how to use the internet

Admits he knows nothing about the economy (misspoke #2)

Does not know why he changed his position on waterboarding and Guantanamo

No longer sure when the surge started - Anbar Awekening (memory slip)

Voted with George Bush 95% of the time last year, and 100% of the time this year

Stated that alternative energy starts from switching from regular to premium

Stated that Afghanistan shared a border with Iraq (misspoke #3)

Doesn't know whether he is against gay adoption and stem cell research (mem #2)

Has no idea why birth control pills are not covered by health insurance although he voted against it (mem #3)

Lies about his and Bush's positions on the GI bill he opposed and Bush threatened to veto

Jokes about killing people from other countries

His idea for health care is "Take more vitamins"

There is a case for malpractice here. The guy either makes far too many "mistakes", "misstatements", and/or has too many memory voids. You pick which one it is. This many mistakes in this little time is inexcusable.

Last time we had a presidential candidate making this many gaffes in this little time and we did not pay attention or forgave him: George Bush. If only we took his ignorance seriously.

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Comments: 133

David K. Jul 24, 2008, 9:11am EDT
Gee Jared...it sounds really bad when you list them all together like this. :)
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Jared P. Jul 24, 2008, 9:19am EDT
David,

you've got to list them for people to see the many he's made over less than 3 months. One mistake here and there, who cares? Over 15 since we started paying attention (sort of).

We've got to be concerned.
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Alan D. Jul 24, 2008, 9:23am EDT
If Obama made half this many mistakes. Oh boy.

Noun, Verb, Surge.

Anything else and the guy is a gaffe machine.

John McCain: Incompetent for the office he holds, unqualified for the office he seeks.
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David K. Jul 24, 2008, 9:47am EDT
I suppose you can add the following to the list:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/07/23/by_howard_kurtz_when_cbss.html
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Christopher B. Jul 24, 2008, 9:48am EDT
Obama has made thismany mistakes as well. Everyone makes mistakes. These are general strawmen and you should know that. A lot of them are taken out of context and twisted to get the proper message. For example why doesn't insurance companies cover birth control? Well is dnoesn't really have anything to do with congress not forcing them to cover birth control does it? And why did you vote for or against a bill that contained hundreds of provisions and I'll just mention one of them?

Let he (or she) who is perfect cast the first stone.
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Alan D. Jul 24, 2008, 9:51am EDT
List Obama's mistakes Christopher. I don't think he has made this many. All I hear about is 57 states, which is not even a mistake.
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Alan D. Jul 24, 2008, 9:53am EDT
For example why doesn't insurance companies cover birth control? Well is dnoesn't really have anything to do with congress not forcing them to cover birth control does it?

Well McCain could have said that. Why did not he? Because it's false. Congress can force them to cover certain things and McCain did vote against it when it was on the table.
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Robert F. Jul 24, 2008, 9:57am EDT
Good post. But there is a "media love-fest" for Obama. Except for Fox, ABC, CNN and half of the other networks that are dominated by conservatives.
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Wilma D. Jul 24, 2008, 10:07am EDT
Everyone who's in the public eye will make mistakes now and then. What worries me about McCain is his love of war, his disregard for women(don't see his C**T remark here), his disinterest in improving education, and his lame proposals for the economy and health care. Those are things that matter--no a few slips of the tongue.
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Cathi L. Jul 24, 2008, 10:08am EDT
Ok, McCain makes mistakes. Just don't ask Obama what state he is currently in, how many states there are in the US (and how is 57 not a mistake?), his knowledge of Hugo Chavez and FARC, and bitter, gun-clinging Pennsylvanians. Those dang, bitter, gun-clinging Pennsylvanians have to be watched you know.
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John Harris Beck Jul 24, 2008, 11:14am EDT
Cathi, the "bitter" was about the state of the nation and its government; the "clinging" was to things we could hold close and feel some control about, like a rifle for security, like a church for community, when the government is being run by ideological idiots. Obama's statement wasn't dumb, it just used two words which the opposing spin-meisters could whack him with, on and on.

McCain, by contrast, is clueless about economics and his alter-ego on that, Gramm, who just quit but would be back as Treasury Secretary, said we're in a "mental recession" and that we're just "whining" about the economy. It's not just his words but his whole understanding that is wrong. Johnny Mac, whose wife provides him unlimited personal financial security, doesn't get it.

McCain, son and grandson of Admirals, is used to the idea of giving orders.
Obama, with nothing so special in his family tree, has spent his time understanding our situation and developing ways to improve it.

Why are we giving McCain two seconds of our attention?
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Julie (there will always be a rainbow) G. Jul 24, 2008, 11:38am EDT
"McCain, son and grandson of Admirals, is used to the idea of giving orders.
Obama, with nothing so special in his family tree, has spent his time understanding our situation and developing ways to improve it."

That about sums it up for me. And for what it's worth, I don't think McCain really wants the "job" of President. He wants the position and the power that goes with it.
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Jared P. Jul 24, 2008, 12:19pm EDT
I agree Julie. Lately, he has been looking desperate for the power and the title.
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Tim Nelson Jul 24, 2008, 12:32pm EDT
Keep trying, Jared. Those of us who won't vote for Obama, will vote for someone.
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Cathi L. Jul 24, 2008, 1:01pm EDT
John, don't you think Obamarama's spin-meisters are using the same playbook? Obama is just repeating strategies already in place and trying to take credit for them, especially regarding Iraq and Afghanistan. And Obamarama DOESN'T want the position and power that goes with it? He's not desperate for the power and title? It's why his spin doctors are working overtime to twist everything to his advantage. We shouldn't vote for Obama, we should vote for his spin doctors!

Let Obama go ahead and call the government ideological idiots and let him cling to his church (now there's a scary thought). His pastor has been his pastor long before his statements were made public and it was only at this point where Obama turned his back.

Until this man not only talks to commanders and soldiers on the ground, but actually listens, to me he is still at the bottom of the heap. His naive notion of setting an artificial date to end the war, claiming the surge only could have worked as part of a number of simultaneous circumstances, and trying to make Americans believe it was him that worked with Maliki on wanting Coalition forces out as soon as possible shows his desperation. And it discredits our Armed Forces. Listen to what he is saying. He wants a date for complete redeloyment (but leave a small force to continue training Iraqi military, protect US interests, and follow up on remaining Al-Qaeda (& friends) threats is the same as what is already in place. His "idea" of sending more forces to the progressing threat in Afghanistan is already in place and already happening.

I'll grant you that McCain is not an all-star speaker. He's no Obama in this area. And Obama is no Reagan as far as speaking prowess. But until the media wakes up and gives McCain a fair shot, I cannot place my trust in this man. But I'll stop short of calling this man a lier if you'll agree not to call our current US government ideological idiots. Name calling really doesn't help with the debate.
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Fred R. Jul 24, 2008, 2:56pm EDT
I'm casting stones!

at the moron who's not getting my vote

Mcmoron I mean McCain
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Fred R. Jul 24, 2008, 2:57pm EDT
at least Reagan started off with some sense
and then got Alzhiemers

what's McCain's excuse?
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Cathi L. Jul 24, 2008, 3:01pm EDT
No doubt the same as Obama. Oh! I'm sending that to McCain's McSpinmeisters! Thank you for the suggestion!
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Mark-John K. Jul 24, 2008, 4:42pm EDT
...he's traveled to all 57 States, with only a couple to go..."
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Paul G. Jul 24, 2008, 5:21pm EDT
Hey, c'mon, give John a break. If you'd been knocked around for years the way McCain was while he was a guest in the Hanoi Hilton your poor brain would probably be pretty adled too. The man needs some rest. I'd prescribe four years baking in the sun by the swimming pool back in Arizona.
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Clark Kent Jul 24, 2008, 5:27pm EDT
McCain is very clearly far too old to be president.
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Barbara C. Jul 24, 2008, 7:45pm EDT
McCain is not only too old but he is beginning to prove it. He's forgetful, can't keep his fact straight, accuses Obama of wanting to lose a war to win the election.
How does McCain believe Obama can lose a war that should have never been waged?
We were led into Iraq under false pretenses.Bush called it misinformation from his intelligence. Bush never had any intelligence, he's an idiot and should be tried for treason.
As Harry Truman said, " The buck stop here!" Bush will get off Scott free!
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Cathi L. Jul 24, 2008, 8:26pm EDT
Obama is playing on the liberal pretention that if they accept success in Iraq, they will have to accept that they were wrong at the start. That's how Obama can lose a war to win the election.

The war should never have been waged? It was agreed to by the UN and OUR Congress. Bush didn't somehow sneak us into a war. A ruthless dictator overran an allied country, committed genocide through cluster bombs and chemical weapons. Maybe we should start keeping out of other countries' business and hope we don't need their help some day.

Harry Truman also said "If you can't convince them, confuse them." This is one I think Obama heeds.

and he also said,

"Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything." A good reason not to abandon Iraq before they are ready. Bush, I'm sure, heeded this one. Iraq is not ready.
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Jared P. Jul 24, 2008, 8:57pm EDT
"A ruthless dictator overran an allied country"

Huh!??

Talking about Koweit. That was Desert Storm. Which country did Saddam "overran" in 2003???

You still believe Bush took down Saddam because of what he was doing to his own people? Come on!

Darfur - Why didn't we send troops there?

Why aren't we taking down Mugabe?

Congo?

You talking genocide as a reason to send American troops to war? If so, we really cherry pick genocides.

Or maybe we don't care about genocides in places without oil? Places where the people affected by the genocide are black?
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Brian T. Jul 24, 2008, 9:06pm EDT
Let's face it McCain doesn't bring anything new to the table just more of the same. This guy has no vision or ideas at all and that's pretty sad for a man who wants to be President of the US and leader of the free world. It's totally pathetic.
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Brian T. Jul 24, 2008, 9:10pm EDT
I personally feel McCain is well past his prime.
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Jared P. Jul 24, 2008, 9:14pm EDT
Brian, the guy is way too old and people ought to face at least that prospect. This is no time to give the country to a 72 year old.

Jim, McCain took the "Hypocriteic Oath"
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vickey w Jul 24, 2008, 9:18pm EDT
Obamas are adding up.. 57 states, he belongs to a committee that he dont belong to, his relative did what in the war, that he wasnt in?? On the news he made remarks about something for 10 years, I missed the first part, but the reporter said, Obama can only run for 8 years , shouldnt he know these things already????
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Cathi L. Jul 24, 2008, 9:29pm EDT
To my knowledge the UN hasn't asked us to go to Darfur or anywhere else. No, Saddam didn't "overran" Kuwait in 2003. You know that was Desert Storm. But Saddam did not comply with the peace treaty. He did not stand down. He was perfectly happy to thumb his nose at the UN and the US and let everybody assume he still had the WMD in violation of the peace treaty. He was given ample opportunities but instead forced the hand of the United Nations, which then asked the US to do something about it. This is something that everybody seems to forget. Complain to the UN about "cherry picking". And bringing racism into this argument just doesn't fly. Again, take it to the UN. And why wouldn't we want to protect a country we have an alliance with? Isn't that what alliances are for? What's wrong with protecting oil AND lives? Congress and the UN aren't there for the people, just the oil; is that what you are saying? That's pathetic.

And let me tell you about that "old guy" problem. As Eisenhower stated: "What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight - it's the size of the fight in the dog." I think this old dog has a lot more fight in him than your appeasing prophet.
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Rude D. Jul 24, 2008, 9:51pm EDT
The UN asked America to attack Iraq?

Man, where do you get your news?
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Mark-John K. Jul 24, 2008, 10:01pm EDT
"Talking about Koweit. That was Desert Storm. Which country did Saddam "overran" in 2003???" - Jared

17 U.N. Resolutions, Jared. My God, man...and, Mugabe? Darfur? You'd whine like a school-boy if we did anything about THAT. Those issue's are the perview of the United Nations; the most corrupt and useless entity known to man. When will you understand a completely useless entity when you see one?
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Mark-John K. Jul 25, 2008, 9:34am EDT
Jared must be doing his "homework"...
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 25, 2008, 9:54am EDT
Not so fast Mark-John, remember this is Jared's list. We cannot be sure of the factual context.

My friend Rocco said it best when he asked if Obama visited his birthplace in Bethlehem while visiting the Mideast.

Obamatons love to point out inconsequential mistakes in others, their man of course, is so dreamy and perfect, sigh.
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 25, 2008, 9:55am EDT
Mark-John, how dare you point out all the UN Resolutions calling for action against Iraq. You make the UN sound relevant! ; }
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Carol LeHane Jul 25, 2008, 11:46am EDT
Jared,

You forgot to mention his temper! Who wants someone with a short fuse in a position where he could start a nuclear war. I sure don't.

As for his gaffes, all politician make gaffes, but he has made too many for someone who wants to be President of the United States. If it weren't for that, the Czechoslovakia one would be forgivable. There was a time when I could look a map of the world that showed nothing but boundaries and I could name everyone and its capital, but that was long ago and many of them have either changed their name, been split up, etc.. and I still tend to think of them by the name I learned when I was going to school in the forties and fifties.

My compliments on not attributing his gaffes to his age. He could have been make gaffes for decades but if they were noticed then, they were probably atrributed to the plain old human error of which we are all capable. like Obama's 57 states remark.
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Alan D. Jul 25, 2008, 1:23pm EDT
Show me Obama's list. 1. 57 states. 2. 57 States. 3. 57 States.

Face it. McCain is a gaffe machine.

The latest: Iraq is the first major combat since 9/11.

Errr. Afghanistan? The guy is lost. Can't tell where he was yesterday. His AARP card membership has expired 10 times already.
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Jared P. Jul 25, 2008, 1:40pm EDT
To my knowledge the UN hasn't asked us to go to Darfur

UN does not order the US to do anything.

Saddam did not comply with the peace treaty

Peace Treaty? LOL. You mean sanctions I suppose.

Bringing racism to the argument doesn not fly? Really? Well now racism is out the window. Whoever talks about it plays victim. Well, I am no victim of racism. When I see us ran and help white people in Bosnia, Israel, and not left the finger on genocides, I begin to wonder.

Then the government, and yourself invoke genocide (committed genocide through cluster bombs and chemical weapons.) in going after Saddam. What's more of a genocide than Darfur and Congo.
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Don(time to open them FEMA camps) S. Jul 25, 2008, 1:42pm EDT
Could all this HATE for Barack Obama from kay ,mj and their ilk be racial?

Why don't you bigots just burst out of your closets and start spouting the small minded rhetoric of the kkk?

You will believe any lie from fixed news to give you an excuse to NEVER vote for a black man.

A sad testament to your so called christian values.

He obviously is more intelligent and even tempered than mcsame.

A very needed commodity in dealing with close minded repugnicons and much more sane world leaders.

I can just see mcsame dragging putin across a table and trying to kick his butt.
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Jared P. Jul 25, 2008, 1:43pm EDT
Mark John,

I was responding to specific inconsistencies (i.e. we attacked Saddam because he "overran" a country). Completely false. When we attacked him in 2003 he was not occupying a country nor was he at war with one.

The second one was genocide as a reason of engaging the US military. Obviously if that was a reason good enough to engage us we would have a base in Africa.

Of course that is supposedly under (do nothing) UN. I don't dispute that. However advancing that genocide is a reason good enough to send our boys in a foreign country is utter nonsense.
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Jared P. Jul 25, 2008, 1:46pm EDT
You forgot to mention his temper!

Carol,

I am compiling McCain's temper tantrum. The list is amazing so far. It includes bad jokes, lashing out at people, and using vulgar/demeaning words directed at women. You will be shocked.

Stay tuned!
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Christos G. Jul 25, 2008, 1:50pm EDT
I hoping for the GOP to give McCain the boot before the convention for health reasons and nominate Mitt Romney.

You can accuse Mitt with flip flopping. Who has not? However Mitt knows the economy, he has no senior moment and is against illegal immigration. Mitt is the guy.

Jared's list here is accurate though the context of some is missing. You can look it up and if you really love the republican party you should be concerned over our candidate's state of mind.

There is cause for concerns IF these continue.
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Mark-John K. Jul 25, 2008, 2:42pm EDT
Jared, do you smoke Crack?
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Jared P. Jul 25, 2008, 2:46pm EDT
Not at the moment Mark.

What are you on?
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Mark-John K. Jul 25, 2008, 2:47pm EDT
Actually, what I meant, Kay, is that Jared "must be out to lunch"...
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Mark-John K. Jul 25, 2008, 2:48pm EDT
Please, Jared, go EASY on that stuff...it'll put lead in your "Eberhard-Faber"...
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Clark Kent Jul 25, 2008, 3:19pm EDT
"I hoping for the GOP to give McCain the boot before the convention for health reasons and nominate Mitt Romney. "

Romney is another GOP clown, but he would undoubtedly be leagues above McCain as a candidate. It's clear that Johnny doesn't want the job at all...he appears disinterested, dissheveled, and discombobilated. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a sudden "health concern" forced him to step aside in the next few weeks.

Then again, if he could somehow bribe/coerice/threaten/blackmail Bloomberg into joining him as VP candidate, he'd suddenly become an entirely viable candidate, in spite of himself.
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Jared P. Jul 25, 2008, 3:21pm EDT
if he could somehow bribe/coerice/threaten/blackmail Bloomberg into joining him as VP candidate, he'd suddenly become an entirely viable candidate, in spite of himself.


that's his only chance. It has consequences however. The Romney groupies won't be happy.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Jul 25, 2008, 3:23pm EDT
their man of course, is so dreamy and perfect, sigh. Your green is showing, Kay.


I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a sudden "health concern" forced him to step aside in the next few weeks. Hope it's nothing worse than this.
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TJ Thompson Jul 25, 2008, 3:27pm EDT
Well of course McCain has misspoken more times than Obama has. McCain is older than dirt, and Obama just finished puberty last week. Based on proportion of time lived and words spoken, Obama is probably losing this contest.
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TJ Thompson Jul 25, 2008, 3:31pm EDT
Jared said: The Romney groupies won't be happy. That's for sure.
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Jared P. Jul 25, 2008, 3:35pm EDT
Nice try TJ. All of these statements were made in 2008!!!

So the argument of older, lived longer, therefore more mistakes is invalid.

If you want to "refine" and go with older than dirt, therefore more gaffe prone, we might accept that.
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TJ Thompson Jul 25, 2008, 3:47pm EDT
Yeah, whatever. No one ever claimed that McCain is the brains (or the memory) of the operation. I just want someone in the office who will (a) not push us into a depression, (b) not let Iran take over Iraq, (c) nominate Supreme Court justices who will uphold the law with strict-constructionism, and (d) not use the Constitution for TP as has been a commonplace governmental practice for quite some time. McCain isn't ideal, but he'll sure do better than FDR Jr. will.
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Clark Kent Jul 25, 2008, 4:10pm EDT
People as dangerously misinformed as TJ here really shouldn't be allowed to vote. They're clearly a threat to this nation.
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Baby J. Jul 25, 2008, 4:23pm EDT
Jared, you missed --

Tax Cuts: McCain twice voted against making permanent Bush’s tax cuts but now supports them.

Social Security: McCain calls for privatizing social security, then denies it -- “I’m not for, quote, privatizing Social Security. I never have been. I never will be.”

Offshore drilling: In May, when asked about offshore drilling McCain says "... those resources, which would take years to develop, you would only postpone or temporarily relieve our dependency on fossil fuels," On July 24 he stated that offshore drilling would "be very helpful in the short term resolving our energy crisis."
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TJ Thompson Jul 25, 2008, 4:40pm EDT
Yes, let's limit the right to vote to the elite, Clark. Surely that is the best way to run a republic!
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Clark Kent Jul 25, 2008, 8:11pm EDT
"Yes, let's limit the right to vote to the elite, Clark."

There's nothing elite about being informed, but you're apparently too ignorant to grasp that.
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Jared P. Jul 25, 2008, 8:26pm EDT
Good points Baby J.

I did not many more. It would take days to compile this guy.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Jul 25, 2008, 9:49pm EDT
I think McCain has solved his flip-flopping problem. When asked any question now, he gives variations of the same answer:

What color are your eyes?

"Obama wants you to have red eyes."

Why did you stand in front of the Dole juice for that photo op?

"Obama hates Bob Dole."

What is your middle name?

"Obama's middle name is Hussein."
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TJ Thompson Jul 26, 2008, 3:19am EDT
Clark, you have serious problems answering a pinpointed question. Do you or do you not support the disenfranchisement of those who, in your opinion, lack sufficient comprehension of the facts?

Sandy, if McCain brings up Obama a lot, it's because the only way he can get media attention is if he mentions their quasi-messiah.
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 26, 2008, 8:35am EDT
The Deity thing will backfire on Obama. He received a near zero bump from his messianic tour of Europe and the Mideast. Americans recognize stage craft and drama, I applaud Obama for his acting skills, and will be the first to nominate him for an Oscar. Ultimately, Americans will want a president who is serious and has solutions to the real problems of our country. Now if only we had a candidate who fits that description.
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Mike V. Jul 26, 2008, 8:47am EDT
Obama doesn't commit anything as insignificant as a mere gaffe. When he screws up it is really big time! A sampling:

Remaining in an anti-American racist church for 20 years, claimed he never knew.

Associated with a known American terrorist and murderer, claimed he never knew.

Threatened to invade a sovereign country with nuclear bombs (Pakistan), claimed he never said that.

Wants to negotiate with every thug dictator without precondition, claims we misunderstood him.

Refused to visit wounded soldiers while on his vacation to the Mideast and Europe, claims it was the pentagon's fault.

I'll take McCain's "gaffes" any day.
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Mark-John K. Jul 26, 2008, 9:22am EDT
Add to that, this...there is only ONE fool on Capital Hill who refused to sign and support the United States' official position on Israels right to exist...and he was asked by Obama to accompany him to Israel.

That Olmert and his band of eunichs even allowed them INTO the Country reveals volumes...
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 26, 2008, 9:32am EDT
Quite the substantive list building here. Makes the McCain alleged gaffes look very petty.
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Mark-John K. Jul 26, 2008, 9:38am EDT
Yes, it does.

By the way; Jared included that McCain had "changed his position" on "waterboarding and Guantanamo."...I've not heard this, can anyone substantiate this for me? I'd like to know.
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 26, 2008, 9:40am EDT
Let me add one: He claims he was for gun control, before he was against it.
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 26, 2008, 9:41am EDT
And, he was for an undivided Jerusalem as Israel's capital, before he was against it.
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 26, 2008, 9:42am EDT
Mark-John, that is why I said "alleged" gaffes. I am not taking Jared's word for anything.
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 26, 2008, 9:43am EDT
Let's keep the list going: Obama was for public campaign financing, before he was against it.

Gee, this is fun!
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 26, 2008, 9:45am EDT
He vehemently opposed the domestic surveillance bill, then he voted for it.

I'm starting to get tired.
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Mark-John K. Jul 26, 2008, 9:46am EDT
Kay, I must admit, he (obama) has adopted some very crafty and "new" political techniques. Some "flip," some "flop," but he takes BOTH SIDES of every issue!

With that type of "strategerie," HE CAN'T LOSE!!!
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Peter Joseph Swanson Jul 26, 2008, 9:47am EDT
Oh my - he goofs up. And it's such a long way until November. Then we'll really have a big list, by then.
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 26, 2008, 9:48am EDT
With Obamatons Mark-John, he will never lose!
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 26, 2008, 9:49am EDT
Yep Peter, a really big list to go with his big wonderful smile!
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Mark-John K. Jul 26, 2008, 9:52am EDT
True!

Peter, do you know if McCain has changed his position on "Waterboarding and Guantanamo?"
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Peter Joseph Swanson Jul 26, 2008, 9:53am EDT
No, Kay, I'm responding to the article. You should make your own article with your comments because they're kind of, sort of, another topic that can have its own discussion.
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Peter Joseph Swanson Jul 26, 2008, 9:56am EDT
"Obamatons"

And name calling is always rude.
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 26, 2008, 10:08am EDT
Peter, Obamaton is a legitimate name for people who think Obama can do no wrong and demand no substance from him. They are hypnotized by his demeanor, they are not convinced by his policies.

As far as my comments, I am simply responding with facts along with Mark-John and Mike V. My own article isn't necessary.
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 26, 2008, 10:12am EDT
Oh by the way Peter, I am sure you missed Don's "McSame" slur. Just plain rude, don't you think?
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Mark-John K. Jul 26, 2008, 10:13am EDT
Peter-

I believe that we are ON-POINT, here. Did not Jared start the article with a list of "gaffe's" on one of the candidates? Several of us here simply happened to be adding to the "list."
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Mark-John K. Jul 26, 2008, 10:16am EDT
You know...sort of a Point/CounterPoint-type thingy...it's really rather fun, you should join in...
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Peter Joseph Swanson Jul 26, 2008, 10:16am EDT
You think all those people are all that extreme on the other side of the aisle from you? No they aren't.

There are always extremists but you are painting with too broad a brush. Name calling always does that.
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 26, 2008, 10:16am EDT
Okay now, back to the list:

Obama claimed while campaigning in Ohio, to be against NAFTA. He later dispatched aides to the Canadians re-assuring them he was just pandering for votes.
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Peter Joseph Swanson Jul 26, 2008, 10:18am EDT
"McSame" paints with too broad a brush.

Kay K, I have read you compaining about name calling for McCain but you do name calling for Obama. That's why I brought it up to you.
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 26, 2008, 10:18am EDT
Peter, I do not think all people are of one extreme or the other. When did I say that. I am simply referring to a subset of Obama followers who see him as infallible.

Great point Mark-John. The title of the article is "political malpractice"
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 26, 2008, 10:20am EDT
I do not nor have I ever called Obama any name.
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Mark-John K. Jul 26, 2008, 10:20am EDT
He loves to "wink" at Canadiens...
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 26, 2008, 10:21am EDT
Strangely Peter, you are the one who seems to have brought us off-topic.
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Peter Joseph Swanson Jul 26, 2008, 10:21am EDT
But you don't know their minds. It's just name calling (that very arrogantly pretends to know their minds).
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Peter Joseph Swanson Jul 26, 2008, 10:23am EDT
I digressed from a digression ??

oh my.
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 26, 2008, 10:26am EDT
Peter, when I hear some of the responses, from those who really do not know where Obama stands on issues, yes, I do refer to them as an Obamaton. This author, and many other intelligent Obama supporters I have dealt with on Gather, are not Obamatons.
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 26, 2008, 10:26am EDT
Kind of like porno, you know it when you see it.
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 26, 2008, 10:29am EDT
By the way, Peter nice tactic. We were making things a bit too dicey for Barack.
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Chucky D. Jul 26, 2008, 10:37am EDT
Kay, McCain is on both sides of more that a few issues. He may proclaim himself as a "straight talker" but his recent pandering has made that image a self-parody. He and Romney should team up.

Here he is on water boarding.

http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/F6C1BC55-10E4-4798-A12B-5CDF11285BE8/
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jul 26, 2008, 10:42am EDT
Chucky, I have no doubt that McCain has committed the same crimes every politician commits, Obama has as well, both are far from perfect. Hence, the "list".

This is why I am not voting for either candidate this fall.
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David K. Jul 26, 2008, 11:05am EDT
"When will you understand a completely useless entity when you see one?"

Sorry, I just couldn't resist this line. ROFLAO
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Clark Kent Jul 26, 2008, 11:09am EDT
"Clark, you have serious problems answering a pinpointed question. Do you or do you not support the disenfranchisement of those who, in your opinion, lack sufficient comprehension of the facts?"

WTF are you talking about, fool? I've NEVER had a problem answering pinheaded questions. I am STRONGLY opposed to having an astoundingly misinformed public having the right to vote. There should be both a civics test and a recent history test before a person is allowed to vote. Let's not forget that it was astounding ignorance that brought both the 2000 and 2004 elections close enough for republicans to steal. Ignorance amongst the voting public is extremely dangerous to a pseudo-democracy, as has been clearly proven.

You should be concerning yourself with how your fatigues are going to fit and feel in 130 degree Iraqi heat, rather than chirping your rightwing nonsense on political message boards, anyway.




"I'm voting for McCain,"

Excellent choice, ann. We NEED another four years of bush, this time run by a very old, very confused, very dishonest man who doesn't know the difference between our friends and enemies, doesn't understand geopolitics at all, flip flops more than even Romney, and is admittedly clueless about economics. Sounds like a great choice.
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