I tend to be a little on the reserved side so I just attended my first writer's conference. It was a fabulous one for me to start at. There were only a total of 40 people in attendance (including the 4 speakers). I hope to share much of the info here at No Whine, Just Champagne over the next few weeks.
At the tenth annual Writing It Real Conference in Port Townsend, Washington (June 26-30, 2008) I gained many gems that I hope will improve my writing.
For this first discussion I wanted to share some editing information that I learned.
My first few drafts of any MS tend to have many issues. Because I'm fairly new at writing and don't have anything published I'm often timid about sharing my work. I think so fast that I get mixed up getting the words down on the page. I have found by reading my work out loud I can usually catch most of the problems with tense. But I am so close to the work that I often don't see when it is falling short of telling the story I want told.
This information is from Sheila Benders book Writing and Publishing Personal Essays.
Sheila calls this a Three-Step Response: when ever developing drafts and revisions, she suggests asking a trusted reader to respond to your work in three separate stages. This helps ensure that you receive the kind of feedback that may facilitate your writing.
From Sheila's Book (ISBN 1-893067-05-X):
STEP ONE: Velcro Words
"After you read a draft, your listeners first repeat the words and phrases that stuck with them. They do not tell you why the words stuck or even say, "I liked ...." They merely repeat your words back as closely as they remember them. It will feel wonderful to you. All of us write to be heard, and there is no better way to affirm that you've been heard than to hear your own words from someone else's mouth. Not telling why the words stuck keeps the focus on your writing."
STEP TWO: Feelings
"To warm up for this step, listeners can list as many emotions as they can think of. The more emotions they list, the more versatile and articulate they will become in responding to writing: gentle, harsh, lost, discovered, nostalgic, thankful, in mourning, grief-stricken, at odds, panicked, bored, surprised, thankful, sentimental, fearful, glib, successful, defeated, frustrated, warm, joyful, happy, well-grounded, disappointed..."
After they feel confident that they can name many feelings, listeners might hear your draft again and then name feelings elicited by the subject and subtext they hear in your draft.
Listener and reader responses help all writers keep from spinning their wheels and meandering from their real subjects. If listeners feel ripped off, if they feel batted around in different directions, the words are causing confusion, that theft, that assault. If the emotional journeys do not serve the author's real subject, the author must change the words. It's a self-correcting exercise.
STEP THREE: Curiosity
Finally, listeners tell the writer what they want to know more about and where in the writing they want to know it. These specifics indicate where more writing is required. When others want to know more, writers get insight into their real subject and where and how they may have skirted it.
Receiving response in these three steps will open up possibilities for your revisions, leaving you not only empowered to continue developing a piece of writing but eager to do so.
For those interested, The Writing It Real Conference Faculty:
Sheila Bender - is an award winning and widely published poet, author and writing facilitator. She publishes Writing It Real, an online magazine for those who write from personal experience, whatever the genre. A past contributing editor to Writer's Digest Magazine, she has written eight popular instructional books on writing from personal experience, including Writing Personal Poetry: Creating Poems from Life Experience, Keeping a Journal You Love, and her most recent Writing and Publishing Personal Essays (Silver Threads, San Diego). She has also written instructional prompts and writing tips for LifeJournal for Writers software (Chronicles Software). Her newest instructional book, Perfect Phrases for College Application Essays is forthcoming in March from McGraw-Hill
Meg Files - is the author of Meridian 144, a novel; Home Is the Hunter, a collection of stories; Write from Life, a book about using personal experience and taking risks in writing; The Love Hunter and Other Poems; and A Hollow, Muscular Organ, a forthcoming novella/story collection. She is the editor of Lasting: Poems on Aging. Her poems and stories have appeared in many publications, including Fiction and Crazyhorse. Her awards include a Bread Loaf fellowship. She was the James Thurber Writer-in-Residence at Ohio State University. She teaches creative writing in Tucson
Jack Heffron - is editorial director of Clerisy Press, and has been a professional editor for more than 18 years. He has edited three national bestsellers and a number of award-winning books, garnering prizes such as the James Beard Award (cooking), CEO Reads' All-Time Top 100 (business), and the Agatha Award (women's mystery). He is the author of three books for writers The Writer's Idea Book, The Writer's Guide to Places, and The Writer's Idea Workshop. A founding editor of Story magazine, he is a two-time winner of the National Magazine Award for Fiction and editor for the critically acclaimed Best Writing on Writing series. He has published short stories in many literary journals and twice been nominated for the Pushcart Prize. His nonfiction, which has appeared in numerous publications from the Oxford American to ESPN Magazine to the Utne Reader, has won an SPJ award for sportswriting and been noted in Best American Travel Writing. He is currently a contributing editor to Cincinnati magazine and is developing a series for The History Channel.
Susan Rich - is the award winning author of two collections of poems: Cures Include Travel and The Cartographer's: Tongue Poems of the World; the latter which won the PEN USA Award for Poetry and the Peace Corps Writers Award. A recipient of a Fulbright Fellowship to South Africa, an Artist Trust Fellowship and GAP grant; Rich's international awards include a residency at the Tyrone Guthrie Center in Ireland, a Ruben Rose Award from Israel, and poet-in-residence at the University of Sarajevo. Her poetry and prose appears in journals and anthologies such as the Alaska Quarterly Review, Best Essays of the Northwest, New England Review, and Quarterly West.. She is an editor at Floating Bridge Press and active board member at Whit Press
So my question to you all is how do you edit your work? Do you read your work aloud? Do you have others read and give you feedback? Do you hire editors? How do you feel about the Three-Step Process of editing?
The group No Whine, Just Champagne will be discussing this article during our Live Chat on Thursday, July 17 at 9:00pm ET. Hope to see you there!


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To edit I read and reread. Reading aloud is important. Most of what I write is actually meant to be heard, so the rhythm of the words is critical. I'm most successful with my editing when I put an article away for a day or two, and then review it for corrections and clarifications. Sometimes I do this several times, once or twice it was several times over the course of a year! Whatever it takes. But I don't believe it is ever a final draft, just the one I'm using now.
Like Richard, I like to put my work aside and come back with a fresh eye/ear. I do it multiple times with novel work, and usually three or more times with shorter work.
I still write most things long hand first. They get a second look as I type, and a third when I print and read. For me, everything looks more 'real' on paper, and I am more likely to catch errors.
I admit that I don't always read backwards, and that I should.
And of course I ruthlessly shred everything that sucks.
For my WIP I read aloud, finding tense issues. I always seem to have problems there first. Then I look for my weak qualifiers and possible contractions. It seems I can write first drafts with contractions. Everything I write sounds like Data wrote it. lol
Since I haven't ever done a final draft, as in the piece is finished, for a longer work I don't know how I will do that. For shorter ones, I just sorta know I am done. LOL
I put it out there for everyone to see. I request feedback on how I can improve and edit some more. I know there is always room for improvement. Especially when I get stuck. Feedback helps enormously.
I tend to edit my own work as I write, rereading yesterday's writing to get me into place for today, and cleaning it up as I go. Then I get someone else to read, or put it on gather, and see what kind of comments it gets before I decide if it's worth working on further.
He gave us a top ten for editing - like Dave letterman's top tens ... I'll try to find those and post them too!
I usually miss these discussions because of the west coast time difference, so I'm going to jump in now. =)
As for editing my work...I tend to edit as I write--which isn't really a good idea because it can keep you from moving on in the story. However, it kinda works for me. When I return to my work the following day I'll reread and make the necessary changes to structure, dialogue, pacing. Most times it gives me a clearer idea of where to go next in the book.
I used to read my books aloud to my cousin because, although she's not an avid reader, she picks up on a lot of things and will constantly ask questions about why did the character do this or that. And, if I have to explain it to her, it means I didn't do my job as a writer. I also look for reactions like signs of boredom, confusion, laughter (where laughter should be). So, reading aloud to her always helped with those first drafts. Unfortunately I don't have her anymore because she's in Texas and I'm in Arizona. :-/
So, now I have critique partners (well, I had them before, but now I have a few more). When I hand off to them I give them a list of what I want to know from them.
*1* Did the story flow?
*2* Were the characters sympathetic?
*3* Was there any confusion or inconsistencies (even minor ones, like the hero had brown eyes in one scene and blue in another---although I've never done that. hah But I have had them say something in one scene than contradict themself in another)
*4* And most important to me: At what point did you want to put the book down?
I ask that because, your job as a writer is to keep them turning the pages.
I don't agree or disagree with the 3-Step Process you were given, however, imo, it's not all that helpful. For repeated words or phrases I use a "Cliche Cleaner" program....I'll also highlight repeated words (toward is my crutch)
For emotions, if I'm the one reading, then my character's emotions are going to be heard in my voice, so the person I'm reading to isn't going to be able to tell if I showed it well or if I acted it well.
Curiosity....that one I can agree with. However, when rewriting, you have to be careful you aren't explaining too much and loading the work down with unnecessary backstory. Sometimes mannerisms or lifestyle can tell a lot about your characters and who they are. You don't want to hold the reader's hand or insult their intelligence. If you're writing for the adult population, you should assume they've been there, done that.
Okay..sorry...I rambled. Must be too much coffee. ;-)
Hope to see you all later.
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Oftentimes during the writing, the story takes unexpected turns, so you have to go back and look for questions that you raised in the beginning and make sure they were addressed later.
If you're doing the editing on your own, you have to look for places where the characters do things they wouldn't according to the way you've portrayed them. For example, if they are supposed to be smart and evoking sympathy in the reader, do they ever act unnecessarily cruel or stupid? Does the story show many facets of the characters?
You also have to check dialogue: does it further characterization? Does it further the story? Is it in conflict? Is it the cleverest thing the character can say? Too much back and forthing -- dialogue that goes nowhere and does nothing -- is boring.
And second think your backstory and exposition. Often we put it in there at the beginning so that we know what's going on, but it becomes redundant when the characters end up showing what we've told.
Step 1: I write a loose outline of the novel and then throw the novel at the pages, not worrying about editing, I just want to get the story on paper.
Step 2: A complete re-write and re-typing of the entire novel. During this step I check the scenes and try to give the reader the information I want to give them in the most interesting way I can. I use the first draft as a guide for this re-write.
Step 3: This is the most creative and challenging step in my process. In this step I focus on characterization, back story/sub plot and descriptive passages. I am on this step now with my WIP: Echoes from the Abyss. This is usually not a complete re-typing or re-writing. I also check the connections in the plot and this step pretty much gives the novel it's heart and soul.
Step 4: I read through the novel and check the adjectives, passive verbs, sentence structure, throw out empty dialogue and look at the novel as an integrated whole.
Step 5: My reader reads the novel. She is not a writer, but is an avid reader of mystery and detective fiction. She points out anything that's confusing or draggy.
Step 6: I file a copyright on the novel and send it for line editing.
Yes, I read portions out loud, but often I can hear them well enough in my mind. Writing is like watching a movie that I create.
I am going to post Jack Heffron's Top Ten Revision Rules for writing that Rox...
10. Revision is necessary - writer must be willing to revise. It makes the difference in good vs. acceptional. He also said you aren't revising yet unless you cut something that hurts!
9. Revision is Creative - real difference is when you take raw stuff and turn it into something great. You write the first draft to get to the second. And don't let revision stall.
8. Finish the First Draft - then explore it and see it for all its possibilities... Then you have the ability to say here's what I've got but this is what it could be. It has to compel readers to turn the pages.
7. Assess Your Drafts - where are the false notes? where does it make a false turn?
It can shift as we go along.
6. Evaluate & Revise for Shape & Structure
This is the step most writers are unwilling to take. Look at the flaws in your structure and make it new again. Maybe you need to take your ending and make it your beginning and then work backwards... Some editors/agents or contest judges take an arial view and use highlighter pens. They look for plot and make it one color, something else and make it another color, ... and then highlight those things to see how often you are talking about each.
5. Clear Out What Doesn't Belong - but just seeing what doesn't belong is hard. Once it's been there for a while it seems like it should be there. Making that change will hurt! In early or 1st drafts there will be alot that doesn't belong! Because you are discovering the story as you go along. 99% of the time back story or flashbacks aren't needed! Find a way of cutting what's not needed. Expository Dialogue can give readers too many clues in painfully obvious ways. You must cut anything that pops the reader out of the story. You need them to stay with you.
4. Fix The Leaks - to make riveting page turners sustain narative tension by squeezing it = making sure it's there. It's what you don't say
No melodrama/cliche/telling too much = Show don't tell!
Once you violate subtext you lose the flavor! He tells his students to think of story telling as getting arrested. Don't say anything you don't absolutely have to say!
3. Controlling the Reader's Expectations - Reader/Writer Relationship
They want to be involved - like a dance!
How do you get them to turn a certain way? If the editor says, "I didn't like the ending. the problem is the clues you left - you didn't lead them to the right place..."
"The Voice" needs to bring the reader through. You the writer needs to plant the clues to carry the reader to the correct ending.
2. Change Begets Change:
When you are getting feedback you need to be willing to adapt to changes...
When you move/change you have to look at the entire work.
Trying to put an octopus to bed = always a tentacle hanging out. So change will reverberate throughout the entire piece.
And #1. Take Some Time - Put it Away
But mark your calendar to get it back out at a certain date. THen you have fresh eyes. Otherwise, 2 yrs later you have a file cabinet of many items percolating. Too long and you've changed as a person and sometimes you can't get back to it!
I keep a chapter breakdown (a one paragraph outline of what happens in each chapter) so that I can see at a glance where I need to switch to a different character's POV. This way my timeline is always on my mind while I'm composing the chapters. My novels all take place over 5-6 days so this really keeps me on track.
One novel took place in a small town where I lived in high school (20+ yrs. ago). My Father had taken a job at the 50 bed hospital and it didn't end up having enough volume for him to remain full-time.
As I looked up the town on the internet. Now they have a new Medical Center...
But I still struggle with what needs to stay in and what needs to be cut from my work!!
What was your process for finding this editor. Was it through an agent when you were published? Or does one find an editor prior to this?
I write my first draft, print out a hardcopy, read the pages with pen in hand making as many notes as I can, type in those edits, print out again, read, revise, print, then read the pages out loud. Only until I've revised at least 5 times do I feel the chapter is ready to send to my initial First Reader. I rely on her to tell me "this is crap" or yes, this works. She's a talented writer but most importantly, the most well-read person I know.
Then I move on to the next chapter. Once the entire manuscript is composed I print out the entire manuscript read beginning to end (pen in hand again) making notes throughout.
I think I must have the learning disabilities of my children. I find that I'm making strange spelling mistakes that spell check doesn't catch. Stupid things too like tail for tale, etc. So they really don't make sense, but when I read them I'm not seeing that.
Is there some software program that is better for writers? Terri Molina mentioned a "Cliche Cleaner" Program above? And I've seen others mention that they preferr Works over Word ... etc.
I'm still trying to find a writing group that I would like. I've seen a few in the Tacoma, WA area that don't impress me. I know there are quite a few in Seattle... Do any of you use writing groups to trade and critique each others work?
I'll let you know how that progresses...
Do most find theirs via an agent?
I'm going to title it "Paving My Way Into Heaven"
From this group I've been able to gleen 3 very proficient writers and we started our own intense writing group that meets seperately. I also have a couple fabulous writers who are looking at my final draft through a Yahoo group.
I'd check your local library to see if there is an exhisting group. The senior citizen center is also a great idea. They have lots of time on their hands and would be grateful, I'm sure.
Have we lost everyone else?
I love the PI genre Nancy - my fiction WiP is a coroner who has a number of mysterious deaths and she begins to wonder if one of her Assistant Coroners is the murderer... It's finally taking on a life of its own (about 40,000 words right now)
I don't read for one problem area at a time--I go for anything I find. Sometimes, however, I'll search for pet words that I know need to be changed. Or I'll look for all the places I've left asterisks, places I've meant to get back to to fill in the blanks.
I tried reading aloud to cassette a couple times. Didn't work for me. If the work was short, I might be able to do it, but I felt rather odd reading aloud. And I've never tried reading backwards, though I've also heard that's a marvelous tool for finding punctuation and spelling errors.
Nancy, you're so organized! I suppose I should do an outline, but somehow I never get around to it. I know where I am going, and have several scenes prepared. I even know the ending. Just don't have anything written out. Though I'm considering doing it. I've been wondering if writing the book in truncated form and then filling out the scenes later would make it easier to see the whole thing at once.
I'll check those out Nancy!
I never thought of looking at my pages for the pet words - I guess it just makes too much sense!
Of course, I've been editing other works, (yesterday I spent four hours working on four paragraphs -- just couldn't get the dang connecting sentence right) but that doesn't get my poor hero away from that dang volcano.
How often do others attend conferences. I've read about the Maui Writers and seen that many a writer was discovered there...
Anyone have thoughts?
I really enjoyed this conference - it was local and reasonably priced...
I just checked on an article I wrote last year here at Gather. It's about the Web Frequency Indexer developed by a woman from Georgetown Univ. It's apparently being monitored by someone else now. The new web link is Web Frequency Indexer.
What you can do is dump your entire ms. into a text box and the program will list every word and the frequency of use. The list can list words alphabetically, by highest usage, or lowest usage. It's a great tool to find overused words. I've run both my full-length novels through it. An eye-opener, to be sure.
Deborah, did your agent lead you to your editor or did you find editor first?
And Nancy and Beth too!
I like the idea of Jan's experience of a 40-person conference. I've looked at one that meets in Colorado every September. It's small and intimate. I may try that one year.
I had just finished reading Steven King's the Dark Half (about the twin that didn't form, but was a lump in his brain). A baby was born with the same thing - but the twin (or blob) was in one of his eye sockets. And there was an eye in the middle of it. And the eye followed you as you walked by the bedside!
I tried the web frequency indexer. Very interesting! I used just five times in the chapter I submitted.
How many books have you published Deborah?
THanks Nancy - I'll check her out. I've seen some charge HUGE fees and others not, so I'm just wondering how you know.