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March 3, 2006 Homosexuals Kissing?? -- American Family Association Should Get Their Heads Out Of Their Gutters
June 25, 2008 11:58 AM EDT
(Updated: June 25, 2008 12:01 PM EDT)
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The American Family Association (AFA) -- a self-proclaimed pro-family organization -- has issued an Action Alert regarding a Heinz company advertisement that supposedly "pushes" gay marriage. The offending ad currently runs in The U.K. and AFA warns that it can be expected in the U.S. soon. The Action Alert is posted to the AFA web site with copy of the video and an urging to call or write Heinz in protest. I'd like to thank the AFA for sharing this video. I never would have seen it otherwise. Here is a link for others: "Heinz ad pushes gay marriage and family, features homosexuals kissing" At first view, I could kind of see the tones that AFA was talking about, and I wasn't sure how to react. Then I gave it a second and third view, and a totally different realization came to light. The ad-writer had played a substitution game on a scenario involving the product and its intended uses. The commercial message portrays that a middle-class mother who uses the products featured -- New York Deli Style Mustard and Mayonnaise -- on the sandwiches she makes for her family's lunches would be treating her family to sandwiches that taste like they had been made by a real New York Deli worker. The actor playing "Mum" was dressed in the stereotypical deli worker outfit of white shirt, white apron and white wedge cap. He also had what I would call the standard characteristics of someone from Brooklyn (beefy looking). I think the New York tonal inflections could have been played up a bit more. This "visual statement" was then contrasted to the context of "the deli guy" playing the role, speaking the dialogue and being interacted with by others as if "he" were the stereo-typical middle-class mother sending her family off with lunches. I thought it was entertaining. I chuckled several times. It didn't seem "gay" at all. The AFA's Action Alert claims that homosexuals kissing is "featured" in the ad. Let me tell you, I watch a science fiction show on the "BBC America" channel which really has featured same-sex kissing. The show "Torchwood" (of which I am a big fan) has a lead character whose sexual orientation is best summed up as "very" and he is clear on the fact that he has no gender preferences or restrictions whatsoever. The same-sex kissing shown in that show is the kind that lasts for full minutes, is open mouthed, and sometimes shows tongue; which is to say that the kissing is "featured" in the classical fashion which TV and silver screens notoriously use to show great passionate kisses. In the Heinz ad that AFA is so alarmed about, there is a domestic Doris Day type peck on the lips that lasts less than a second as the "Dad" runs out the door to work. It is hardly gay, and it is hardly a feature. AFA is off the mark on this one. It seems much more obvious that Heinz was just plying a tongue and cheek substitution maneuver in this advertisement for their deli-style kitchen product. I think AFA is just seeing what they fear the most: Adam and Steve instead of McMurray and Reed. Respectfully submitted for your consideration. -- 25 June 2008 -- Bill's Spirit is an Artist, Writer, Poet, Philosopher currently wordsmithing social commentary from a humble digital forge in small town Ohio. The works of the man behind Bill's Spirit have been published in small, alternative and amateur presses since 1986. Before that, they just filled notebooks, decorated walls and gathered dust in piles and boxes. --
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Comments: 143
I wish the AFA would get a life, geez I guess it's okay for our children to watch all that violence and rotting corpses on TV, but not same sex kissing ??!!
I can remember when it was okay to walk with a girl friend arm and arm and for two same sex people to hug or give a peck on the cheeck and it was NOT considered Gay !!
What the Hell is wrong with people???
Gays are consumers, too. Just like any other "defined" group. It was a big deal when they started showing blacks in major tv commercials in the 60's. Grow up, people.
Dear Carol, I agree with your point about leaving your sexuality at home.
However, just as African -American pride became more pronounced begining in the sixties, so to, I believe, is it to be expected that after hundreds of years of forced closeting of homosexuality, there will be some over active demonstration of Gay and Lesbian pride.
It is understandable seeing how many "Pro Family" orgs. there are still at war with nature.
After all Nature makes people gay unless you are one of those who beleive that Homosexuals are that way by choice?
My faith tells me that homosexuality is wrong. But my displeasure goes beyond whether or not it's correct behavior according to the Bible.
You see, we know that the statistics show that somewhere between 2 and 10 percent of people in the US are gay (depending on which study you're using). If that's the case, then I have a problem with kids being taught in school that it's "normal." It's not normal. Perhaps it's normal for those who participate. But it's not normal for most of society. I think that distinction should be made.
I have problems with any commercial being shown during the time when kids could be watching that a parent has to be present for to explain. That could include commercials about being gay, or about products or medications that don't have anything to do with being a child (and much to do with being an adult).
And as for violence and sex on TV? My son never was allowed to watch regular TV by himself until he was about 13.
Our pastor had a rule in his family that any PG13 or R rated movies had to be viewed in the living room with at least one (preferably two) parent watching...so that they could discuss why the movie was rated that way and why the behaviors were not what Christians should mimic.
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GOOD FOR YOU!
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Dear Chairman Johnson:
I am a straight white 54 year old man. I applaud your courage!
Don't let these bigots intimidate you!
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that'll give 'em indigestion even if they cut it out!
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I think these people need to get some new hobbies.
I am going out to buy all the Heinz products I can find to show my support.
" Hey, haven't you forgotten something ? How about a little &^%#$@ ?"
By The way, your link didn't work, this one might
Heinz Commercial ( 3 )
BTW, The video was no longer available on You Tube.
This is why so many publicly anti-gay evangelical "Christians" have been caught in some "pants-down" kind of moment with a gay prostitute or something like that. They are suppressing and hiding their nature so forcefully that when it comes out (forcing its way like steam pressure building in a sealed container) it comes out in the most degrading and dangerous kinds of sleazy sex -- rather than something more ordinary and domestic like gay marraige.
I have never understood where these people come up with their conviction that gay rights, gay marriage and gay expressions of affection in public will, in some undefined way, threaten them and their heterosexual unions. In fact, the only way this conclusion makes sense is if it is predacated on the existence of a suppressed homosexual desire in the first place. All these anti-gay fundamentalists are worried that exposure the gays and their romantic behaviour will elicit a lustful response in themselves, and in others by extension, because they feel all these homosexual urges they are suppressing and think that everyone else must also feel them or else it is just that they are actually gay. But that could never be, so it must be that we are all suppressing homosexual tendencies all the time, right?
Live and let live. Just think, all those gay guys are guys that will never hit on your wife. So actually they help reduce the competition and make your marriage more secure, not less. Unless, that is, you are worried that your own sexual performance is so lacking that you will turn your wife off of heterosexual sex entirely and send her running into the arms of a lesbian lover!
Admit it, though, if that happened you wouldn't be entirely upset so long as they let you watch.
How convenient that you place the selfishness of gay's AHEAD of the confusion caused in Children...
Maybe the AFA is a little perturbed (as I am) about the fact that the Heinz fortune, which was controlled by a conservative, republican family from Pittsburgh until some liberal democrat from Massachussetts married Senator John Heinz's widow. The courting started weeks after Senator John Heinz's death. Rumors (unsubstantiated as far as I know) have circulated that the courting actually started before the tragic accident.
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but the afa may have a point, - i suspect i caught the gay from kissing my girlfriend.
"It is hardly gay, and it is hardly a feature."
How is this different from the response to including blacks, especially men, on tv and in commercials in the '60's? Many people were afraid that this would encouraget their white daughters to date/marry black men? I don't understand the representation of a portion of society in advertisements equalling "propaganda". And, I think, Donald, that you discredit yourself with the "intellectual elitist" statement. Look up the definition of elitist - since when did being knowledgable and expert at something equate to "bad" in people's views?
This cult is scary.
Sandy Knauer, Jun 25, 2008, 4:47pm EDT "
Me too, Sandy.
Dan (open minded conservative) K.: No, I am not a doctor, nor did I claim to be. Nor did anyone else on this thread offer credentials along with their opinion, that I can see. So what is your point? If you wish to dispute my ideas of philosophy, please feel free to do so. If your best approach is to offer disparagingly sarcastic comments questioning my right to have those ideas --- keep it to yourself. It is poor debating technique at best.
Donald: You know how much respect I have for your opinion and we share our core beliefs very closely. I do not think that homosexuality is a particularly healthy thing for anyone, but just as I do not expect anyone else to submit to my religious beliefs neither do I expect anyone to share my perspective on homosexuality. In other words, I do not expect homosexuals to submit to the point of view that their lifestyle is unhealthy or bad for them. So long as only consenting adults are involved, it's not my business to judge them. I would like to ask what you mean by "gay propaganda"? Do you believe that homosexuals in society have some agenda to convert people to their lifestyle? Do you think that they, as a group, have anything but acceptance and equal rights in mind? Can you think of any reason why they should not have equal rights, given that they have committed no crime, that there is no victim involved in adult consensual sexual activity?
The definition of normal tends to change from era to era, even from generation to generation. Normal goes in and out of fashion. Defining normal is not easy. If you want to define normal, when it comes to sexuality, as being only those activities for which the body parts were designed, as I suspect many homophobic heterosexuals do want, then this means male-female copulation only.
This means the following activities are also abnormal for heterosexuals as well as homosexuals: anal sex; oral sex; masturbation; sexual activity of any kind other than penis-in-vagina intercourse. If all of you heterosexuals opposed to homosexuality on the basis of it being abnormal are also willing to give up your extra-normal sexual activities then, fine. Otherwise you have to accept that what others choose to do in addition to simply procreative sex is their definition of normal and you have no right to stand in judgement of it.
And thanks to the Shrub's Corporate Welfare and Tax Cuts for the Richest Americans, Mrs. John Kerry has even More Money and Power!
Thanks Chimpy!
HUNTS SUCKS!
I feel sorry for Kays' children, hopefully she doesn't have any.
Be forewarned: the only have Heinz Products!
Screw the AFA. I'll buy whatever damned condiments I want, and I'm not the least bit worried that my choice of mustard, mayo, or ketchup is going to make me (or my children) catch the gay.
I wonder how many members of the AFA make a regular habit of accosting and chastising gay couples who dare to show affection (holding hands, kissing, saying "I love you") in public? I'm sure they desperately want to, but I'm guessing that they don't because they're too gutless.
Rory, I think you're right about those repressed sexual desires. And it looks like you hit a nerve or two.
Sandy and Sheryl -- me three.
i think that anyone that wants to get maried should be allowed to get maried and I applaud the heinz people with the courage to stand up for mariage of any kind go family living go
Also 2% to !0% you poor misinformed person. There's a lot more than 10% but there are so many people afraid to let anyone know because of bigots like you, they don't get counted.
In addition, please define the gay agenda. No one told me about the meeting and I know everything that goes on in Cleveland. If I don't one of my kids or friends would. Nope, no agenda, just want to live our lives no more and no less than anyone else.
Marilyn - Your arguments fall on flat ears. I don't believe in the bible and what I do believe is none of you business and I'm truly sick and tired of you and your cohorts and the fake Christian agenda. If you're really Christian quit talking about it and do good works like Christ did. You are not a prophet and definitely have nothing to teach that anybody besides you and your haters want to hear.
Great article.
Jeez! Some people are so touchy! Having a hissy-fit over the littlest thing!
I'm glad I could stir-up such great conversation.
I don't know why the links don't work for some; they are still working for me.
Anyway, here's another link to the AFA web site page: "Heinz ad pushes gay marriage and family, features homosexuals kissing"
and if that one doesn't work, here's another:
"Heinz ad pushes gay marriage and family, features homosexuals kissing"
The difference between the two is that one should open in a new window, and the other should change this page.
For those who might wish to show some support or consideration to the Heinz company regarding this flap, I invite you to send a letter, e-mail or phone call of support to them. Just let them know if you liked the ad, and-or didn't think it was gay, and-or found it funny, and-or whatever.
A contact person at H. J. Heinz for this incident was published as:
Michael Mullen -- 412.456.5751 -- Michael.mullen@us.hjheinz.com
According to TheLondonPaper.com, Heinz UK pulled the ad after receiving more than 200 complaints.
A spokesman for the company was quoted as saying:
"The advertisement, part of a short-run campaign, was intended to be humorous, and we apologize to anyone who felt offended."
I guess they proved that they are very sensitive to consumer responses. I had no idea that a mere 200 complaints could be so effective.
Which makes me ponder... whose company ads don't I like...?
My thanks to Tabitha for keeping us up on the latest breaking news. It would seem that "The Heinz Incident" is already fading into history's fog.
I know the add was in England but, still...
We have to take a stand before they take away all our rights.
Before they say we can't be on the internet anymore because it offends someone.
I wrote and informed him that gay marriage in England is NOT illegal. Went to Elton and David's bash!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
Umm . . . because women are hot? Incidentally . . . I don't giggle. :P
I hope president mclame can get that darn marriage amendment in the Constitution.
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
subject: I LOVE your UK Heinz Ad for NY Deli Condiments
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Dear Chairman Johnson:
The American Family Association wants me to state, "I find your promotion of homosexual marriage and family unacceptable."
This couldn't be further from the truth. I believe that they are going off of the deep end and only seeing what they WANT to see ... if you look hard enough, you will be able to make boogey-men out of shadows ...
Your ad was actually amusing, with the mother being portrayed as a NY deli person making authentic tasting sandwiches for her family.
I think if the people from the AFA took their collective heads out of their anal cavities long enough to actually "see" the intent of this commercial, the majority might also find it humorous.
Don't knuckle under to these types of pressure groups. They do NOT speak for ME or anyone else that I know. Have a great evening and an even better day.
I didn't know that anyone else had done the same thing ..... lol .... guess great minds think alike ....
Not everyone who dislikes this commercial or who disapproves of same sex marriage is homophobic or prejudiced.
I'm also a Torchwood fan. That's why we pay for cable, so we can watch adult programs without the AFA's nose in it. (BTW- Describing Jack Harkness' sexual orientation as "very" sums him up nicely. LOL His "little black book" is the phone directory.)
For the record, seeing man kisses on Torchwood has not destroyed my heterosexual relationship.
I must say that it isn't so unusual to see races in commercials that used to be reserved for whites only. Now we see normal Americans, of different heritages in commercials. They are married, live in regular houses, buy regula stuff and they are of Asian, African, Indian or Native American heritage. Big deal? Well, it was when it was first started.
I don't mind see a gay couple buying furniture, talking about their mayo or bleaching their child's sport uniform. Big deal? Evidently it is now, but wait a bit and it will be fine.
How about blended families, divorced couples? How about single moms or single dads. Why can't advertisers direct their ads at these people too? Arent' there a lot of them out there?
The American Family Association should just get a grip on things.
Thankfully, they didn't prominently feature the deli mayonnaise, I would have taken exception to that! ; }
It was run in the U.K. They pulled it because it was the right thing to do. Of course I believe that adults have the Freedom to choose their "mates;" I'm disgusted by their selfishness with regard to children.