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by John Philipp
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What is it with Women and Car Noises? (humor research)

June 20, 2008 11:08 AM EDT
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A quick question: I'm stuck and you can help me out.


I download podcasts of radio shows to listen to when working out at the gym. Car Talk on NPR is one of my favorites.

I've noticed that when women describe the problem their car is having they usually explain it with very realistic sound effects.


Men, who can accurately imitate 423 gross body noises, will use words to describe the noise a car is making.  Men rarely give sound effects and, when they do, the sounds are pretty lame.

Why is this? Is this genetic, cultural, a tin ear syndrome ...? How come women have a knack for this and men don't? A man can imitate the sound of any make of car accelerating zero-to-sixty, but can't seem to bring himself to imitate a car that's sick. Is there a hidden message here? Are men more sensitive than we think?

I am finishing a book called "The BrotherHood — NOT!" about why men shoot themselves in the foot and what they can do to avoid that.

A clever answer from you might make it into that book. No attribution credit, but you'd have the satisfaction of seeing your words in print and pointing them out to your friends.

You could do that anyway, of course, but your conscience will be clearer if you actually give me your thoughts below. (All thoughts are acceptable. This is a humor book and need not be grounded in any scientific fact.)

Thanks.
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Comments: 182

ChrisJerri S. Jun 20, 2008, 11:10am EDT
My husband is the one who does this, not me. I use podcasts and music to cover up any noises I don't want to hear.
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ChrisJerri S. Jun 20, 2008, 11:12am EDT
Oh, and our check engine light has been on in the van for over two years now. He covers it up with a piece of paper. I'd rather see the light than that annoying little slip of paper he put there. He lost my dental insurance card somewhere down in the dashboard. Could be why the check engine light is on.
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Sarah (I want points) Jun 20, 2008, 11:13am EDT
That is interesting... Wish I had some clever answer to give you, but alas... I have no idea why they do that. To sound smarter maybe?
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Julie (there will always be a rainbow) G. Jun 20, 2008, 11:15am EDT
I think it's because of the noises men make. We think they would understand better if we "speak" at that level.
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Stirling D. Jun 20, 2008, 11:15am EDT
Well, it's obvious to me, John, that women do so well with car noises because it gives them an opportunity to vent. While screaming may not be socially acceptable, it's what most women want to do 90% of the time, so making a car noise is kind of a distant cousin. Squeeeeeeeeiiiiich...ka-clump!, for instance, the noise my passenger door makes when I open it, is a good example. I tried the miracle India hair oil on it, but no improvement. Also, women are better at spelling.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 11:15am EDT
Jerri, is sounds like you have car issues :)
And what is it with "CHECK ENGINE?" Check if there is one?
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Stirling D. Jun 20, 2008, 11:17am EDT
Oh - typo - sorry. It should be "Squeeeeeeeiiich...ka-dump" - old Chevy Lumina with a soul.
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~Lady Neeetah of California~Obama #44 W. Jun 20, 2008, 11:18am EDT
I do the "check engine light" one too. Noises? Nope. They don't mean a thing to me, unless you mean revving the car. That's about it.

Sorry, John. ROFL.
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lynn a. Jun 20, 2008, 11:18am EDT
Maybe women mimic sounds because women don't always know the language of cars for starters, and there is little worry about sound effects drowning out the testosterone levels.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 11:19am EDT
Selene, but when you go to the mechanic can you imitate the noise the car is making? If you can, do you?
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~Lady Neeetah of California~Obama #44 W. Jun 20, 2008, 11:19am EDT
. . . but I'll think about it, and get back to you if I come up with something. I do know that the best mechanic I ever had would listen under the hood for "sounds", and then accurately determine the problem. Nowadays, I thought it was the computer that did all of the "listening" for us.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 11:19am EDT
To sound smarter? Maybe, Sarah.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 11:20am EDT
Julie, that's a good hypothesis.

Speak at their level. LOL
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Jennifer aka Jenn B. Jun 20, 2008, 11:20am EDT
I use descriptive words and only resort to sounds if they get That look.....
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 11:20am EDT
Venting. OK, Stirling, that's a good idea.

And you are right about the spelling ... exactly my thought the second I read "Squeeeeeeeeiiiiich...ka-clump!"

Thanks.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 11:20am EDT
God, Stirling, and you even caught a sound typo. Awesome!
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Karen W. Jun 20, 2008, 11:21am EDT
Women use both sides of the brain at the same time. Check it out!

http://www.womenshealthresearch.org/site/PageServer?pagename=hs_facts_brain
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K D. Jun 20, 2008, 11:21am EDT
Hmmm, if my car makes uncouth alien noises, I park it and let the husband know where it is! HA HA!!
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Pat S. Jun 20, 2008, 11:25am EDT
John, I think you hit the nail on the head when you likened the problems with a car to sickness. Men do not handle sick things at all well, whether they are babies, animals, or themselves. They'd rather pretend those things don't exist. Sickness cannot be laughed at in the same as say, beer farts. A man's vehicle is an extension of himself, a physical representation of his studliness. When that representation is 'sick' (i.e. making peculiar noises) a man sees it as himself that is in need of repair, and can't cope with it. Imitiation indicates an emotional connectedness. The only way to cope is with a dispassionate distancing of himself from the symptoms, by using a totally alien concept to most men, which is verbalizing a problem. That alone should indicate his extreme feelings about the issue, that he would resort to words, instead of, say, a noogie.
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Jerri H. Jun 20, 2008, 11:25am EDT
I think it is because if it is a fix it thing the guy is more likely to think he knows the answer and don't bother with the sounds. On the other hand the woman may not actually know anything about the car and the only item she has in her descriptive arsenal is the sounds it made.

Thanks John~
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 11:25am EDT
Nee, computers do do most of the diagnosing. Listening for what's wrong is probably a dying art.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 11:26am EDT
OK, Lynn. Using sounds because they don't know the terminology makes sense.

(Hmmm "noisy testosterone" - there must be something there I can use.)
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 11:26am EDT
Jenn, I believe I know the look to which you refer.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 11:26am EDT
Thoughts that are occurring to me:

1) One reason I wouldn't try to imitate the sound would be the fear of looking stupid.

2) It just occurred to me that on the Car Talk program women are explaining something over the phone. Does that make a difference?
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Stirling D. Jun 20, 2008, 11:27am EDT
Call me paranoid but when I hear weird noises coming from the engine, I turn OFF the radio, peak my eyebrows and whine like a baby (while still driving, of course).
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 11:28am EDT
K D, an excellent strategy.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 11:29am EDT
Karen, I know that. How do you see that connecting to this question?
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 11:29am EDT
Pat, aha, sickness denial. Cool idea.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 11:29am EDT
OK, Jerri, that makes sense. Like the terminology comment above.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 11:31am EDT
LOL Stirling.

What does peaking the eyebrows do?
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 11:31am EDT
Dan, happy to help you vent.
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Doc, in the middle, holding on... Curmudgeon esq. Jun 20, 2008, 11:33am EDT
John;

the strongest, longest lasting, and often most pejorative UNION in the world is the 'sisterhood' of women aligned against men for any reason.. and men get to pay the dues... how about that!

};~)>

As far as noises go, last year, in a trying year with a very trying woman, her driving a honest 50 mile per gallon (her numbers, not mine), older Honda I found her she complained that the brakes squeaked... now this car wasn't "her" as in it didn't come with, a "bling" factor... and she shortly after deciding the same thing about ME, traded it for about four hundred a month's payment SUV that got about 16-18 miles per gallon...

Anyway the disc pads squeaked... as disc pads do..

my response, running up and down three flights of stairs caring for two dysfunctional wimmen???

"TURN THE RADIO UP..."
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JoAnne D. Jun 20, 2008, 11:37am EDT
The sounds help when words fail ya and that stupid thing a ma jig is is hissing again. lol
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JoAnne D. Jun 20, 2008, 11:38am EDT
I want to know how Doc knew I was listening to the radio!!


Trying to get a movie CD to play in the meantime.
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Stirling D. Jun 20, 2008, 11:39am EDT
John, Peaking the eyebrows makes me look pathetic to anyone that happens to see me. Martyr-look #1 - a tried and true method of getting males to help, though in case just a useless, symbolic gesture.
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vijay kumar Jun 20, 2008, 11:39am EDT
They are more sound than men, John.
or
is it
women are all sound and no sense?
Which is it John?
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Stirling D. Jun 20, 2008, 11:41am EDT
Vijay, I think if you could see the women who respond to Car Talk you would get the sound plus the sight (don't you think there's a facial aspect that matches the sound)? Then it would totally make sense.
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Rhetta A. Jun 20, 2008, 11:45am EDT
I use sounds AND descriptive words when I describe any mechanical problem to men because I figure that they're not paying attention to the words but the sound will get their attention. Also, they don't expect women to know anything about the workings of cars and other machines(and I admit, I don't personally,) so they may discount the words, but they might recognize the sound.
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Rachael W. Jun 20, 2008, 11:47am EDT
I'm with Pat S.

Though I do like the idea of communicating on their level.

Have to say though, never been an issue for me. Mom used to race cars, and Daddy's always been a car nut, so I grew up knowing about cars. Had to be able to pass my Mom's homemade car exam before I was allowed to get my permit, much less be allowed out on the road on my own.

That said, when I can hire it done, or bat my eyelashes to get it done for me (particularly effective in Southern states and rural areas) I will.

But I will also NEVER be taken advantage of by a mechanic. In fact, had one in New Orleans (when I was in college) try to tell me that I needed to replace my entire brake system. All I actually needed was new rear calipers and discs. But he pulled out the "But sweetheart, you wouldn't want your car to be BROKEN would you?" crap. I promptly went to a different mechanic...
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Vivian P. Jun 20, 2008, 11:49am EDT
That is a very good question perhaps you can get a grant to study this !

It is so odd cause when small it's boys who learn to imitate a car running with their little lips vibrating . My sons were around 2 years of age when they could do a very good likeness of a car running.
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Randall C. Jun 20, 2008, 11:50am EDT
Women that imitate sounds. Men who describe sounds. Sounds like a rattle rattle pist, plunk.
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Karen E. Jun 20, 2008, 11:52am EDT
I am about as bad with cars as I am with money and noises don't necessarily get my attention. Bruce will often say, when we are in my car,"Do you hear that..." I listen, I think, I tip my head and say in return, "Hummm" I don't have poor hearing in fact, last night Bruce remarked after I went out into the pasture in the dark, chasing down the sound of a duck quacking and branches breaking in the woods " You can hear an animal in distress on the next farm!" I can indeed but I don't notice car sounds. Several years ago when I was heading home I did think I heard something different and then I started feeling something shake. I went faster. The sound increased as well as the shaking and so I went faster. Oh dear, increased car distress, perhaps I should call Bruce on my cel phone. "Hey Mr. , my car is going ba ba ba bang bang bang...bang...bang and it is shaking. I am driving faster so I can get home" " Karen, pull over and stop now!" OK, I did but sadly it was too late. A new engine followed that episode. The Mr. is better with car sounds.
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Elaine K. Jun 20, 2008, 11:53am EDT
I don't believe I use sounds to describe car issues. But then again, being a 50's breed lady I was trained differently than most born in my era. I spent a great deal of time in the garage with my father as I was growing up and do know a bit about cars. If there was a problem with the car, it was important to describe where the "noise" was coming from and to what it sounded like......."clattering" for example. You see, my father was deaf in his right ear and had difficulty hearing. He relied heavily on my mom's and my ability to give accurate descriptions of said problem.

Now my husband is a different story altogether. He has very little car "sense" and while he is getting better at it, still has difficulty in describing a car issue. Heck, after we were married I had to teach him how to change a tire and the spark plugs! LOL!
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Mary McCartt Jun 20, 2008, 11:54am EDT
I make sound effects for every occasion. My husband thought it was funny. I once recreated a noise that my car was making and it turned out that a very large spider had built a nest in the drain for my air conditioning.
I now get more respect since that happened. I think its because traditionally women spent a lot of time communicating with babies and they learned how to make sounds to entertain the kids. At least thats my opinion. My daughter does this also.
Interesting article!
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Richard Frisbie Jun 20, 2008, 11:55am EDT
I think any woman would dispute the conclusion that men are more verbal than women, but how else to describe the stated fact that women use sound and men use words to illustrate an automotive problem? Good work John!
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Beaker (just Beaker) Jun 20, 2008, 12:02pm EDT
This is a touchy subject, John. A few years back (okay, ten), I drove my very reliable car a thousand miles to visit my family. It began making a "pocketa-pocketa" sound the last hundred miles or so, but no lights came on, the dials remained steady, and I had small children with me, so I crossed my fingers and kept driving. When I arrived, I asked big brother to take it for a drive around the block and identify the noise. He took the drive and said, "I hear nothing unusual."

"No pocketa-pocketa?"

"Nope."

So a few days later I set out for home, leaving at five a.m. to beat the L.A. rush hour. I got about thirty miles when the "pocketa-pocketa" kicked in, and as I went over the Sepulveda pass, the dashboard dials leapt from the left to the right and the car began to gasp, which, combined with the pocketa-pocketa, made it sound like an asthmatic clog dancer. I managed to get halfway up an offramp before the car died. The sun was just creeping over the horizon. After about fifteen minutes a police car came along. The officer surveyed worried woman, car with hood up, and sleeping children in back seat, and said, "You can't park here."

I won't keep you in suspense: it was the water pump, which, because I didn't take care of it right away, led to a blown head gasket, and a $$$ repair bill.
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Patti M. Jun 20, 2008, 12:07pm EDT
You just said it yourself. You guys are stuck going 0 to 60 in 60 seconds. You like that sound. It's cool. You'll work on a sick car but you don't want to sound like one.
Women empathize with the car. Therefore we can sound like it.
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Debra B. Jun 20, 2008, 12:07pm EDT
I used words to explain a possible malfunction with the car so I believe the problem is in the receiving. What I've observed is that when a woman tries to explain a problem—any problem (mechanical or otherwise)—to a man, all he hears is noise!
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Jonathan S. Jun 20, 2008, 12:36pm EDT
John:

I think the issue is one of performance anxiety (no, not that kind...) Men are, as a rule, extremely leery of appearing ridiculous in front of their friends, or worse, strangers (at least after they have passed the fraternity-membership stage of life) and will generally attempt to pretend that they have some idea of what's going on in any circumstance.

So instead of making a funny noise that will tell Tom and Ray in five seconds exactly what's going on, men will instead say "It sounds as if the alternator is causing friction with the brake disc rotors connected to the spark plug wires," thereby revealing that if they actually did attempt any maintenance on their cars themselves, there would be at least one fatality the next time they went driving.
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Lin G. Jun 20, 2008, 12:37pm EDT
I think Jenn got it exactly right. For most women cars are boring and a foreign concept. As long as it gets us where we want to go that's all we require. But, since we don't speak car-ese we have had to find a way to convey car problems to men. Quite clever of us, don't you think?
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 12:45pm EDT
Jenn, is that a real dictionary?
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 12:45pm EDT
OK, Doc, I think I'm getting your point :)
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 12:46pm EDT
JoAnne, you reminded me that women do have a terminology they use frequently like thinga ma jig.

BTW, Doc knows all.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 12:46pm EDT
Stirling, thanks. Real men try to not do pathetic. but sometimes it just leaks through.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 12:46pm EDT
Rhetta, excellent point. Men are more likely to pay attention to the noises. As we know, they're not genetically disposed to listening, as in There'd be No Sex If Men Listened
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 12:46pm EDT
Good for you, Rachel. I didn't even know what a caliper was — or where it was — until it was covered on Car Talk a few weeks ago.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 12:47pm EDT
"rattle rattle pist, plunk."

Randall, I used to have a car like that.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 12:47pm EDT
Karen, that's such a funny story. While usually the wrong thing to do, speeding up to get home before the car totally breaks is a natural reaction.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 12:47pm EDT
Elaine, that's another aspect "where is the sound coming from."

I've noticed that men seem better at answering that question than the women on Car Talk.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 12:47pm EDT
"I think its because traditionally women spent a lot of time communicating with babies and they learned how to make sounds to entertain the kids. "

That's an interesting theory, Mary. Maybe women do more sound effects for situation than men, expect for the male "classics" that we needn't go into here.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 12:47pm EDT
You might be right, Richard, but this really wasn't an attempt at a backdoor soap box.
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A. F. Stewart Jun 20, 2008, 12:48pm EDT
It's the basic assumption women make, that men refuse to pay attention when women talk of mechanical things. So we make it as fully descriptive as possible, to compensate.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 12:48pm EDT
Great story, Beaker (though sorry it happened to you).

"pocketa-pocketa" - there we go with that ability to spell it theme again.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 12:48pm EDT
"Don't want to sound like a sick car" Hmmm, Patti. Makes sense.

I quess making the sound is a way to empathize with it as well.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 12:49pm EDT
A. F. there seems to be some consensus around that point.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 12:49pm EDT
Debra, probably true. All the more reason to use the "noise" language.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 12:50pm EDT
As an aside, next time I post an article that starts "What is it with Women ..." I'll do it after breakfast.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 12:52pm EDT
Jonathan, I think "performance anxiety" and "looking stupid" are good explanations for why men don't.

Especially looking stupid about mechanical things. This is why we are so conflicted about washing machines.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 12:52pm EDT
Lin, I agree, it is quite clever.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 12:58pm EDT
Vivian, yeah we can do "car running" noises. It's "car sick" noises we either have trouble hearing or imitating.
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Jennifer N. Jun 20, 2008, 1:00pm EDT
Hmm interesting. I don't really pay much attention to the noises nor am I in the position to need to try to mimic them... I hadn't known that women are better at this then men.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 1:05pm EDT
Jennifer, I'm assuming women are better at approximating the sounds the car is making.

What I noticed was men rarely mimic the noise.
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Patricia J. Jun 20, 2008, 1:06pm EDT
I agree with Rhetta, men pay no attention to what we have to say is wrong with the car but if you can imitate the noise it makes while you're driving it, they know exactly what you mean.
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Stefania H. Jun 20, 2008, 1:07pm EDT
when I ride in my car, minimal noise is a must.
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Stefania H. Jun 20, 2008, 1:08pm EDT
Except, music of course.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 1:17pm EDT
That's clearly a major aspect to this, Patricia.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 1:18pm EDT
Stefania, your comment made me wonder does the mimicry skill women possess have anything to do with all those teenage years spent imitating the Pop Charts?
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Vic Needs Coffee Jun 20, 2008, 1:50pm EDT
I think it's because women don't know for instance if it's a rod knock so they just imitate the sound to best describe it.
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Rachael W. Jun 20, 2008, 2:03pm EDT
Ooh! I've got it!

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." Our mothers always told us that when our younger sisters stole our clothes and acted just like us. And it's a well-known fact that cars require flattery to continue working properly. So we're doing our best to flatter the car while describing the problem, so it doesn't feel bad about itself!
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 2:07pm EDT
But, Vic, I wouldn't know if it were a rod knock either and I'd be hesitant to imitate the sound — nor would I do it very well.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 2:09pm EDT
Rachel, that's such a female rationale!

Though, we are talking about females, so maybe that holds water.

I'm putting it on my possible list. (And it's high on the Humor Potential Meter)

Thanks.
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Rae M. Jun 20, 2008, 2:10pm EDT
I like to be as descriptive as possible and that can include souinds and hand gestures. My husband likes to get right to the point.
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Ashley B. Jun 20, 2008, 2:21pm EDT
Most men I know don't hear words when women are talking. They don't really listen and all they hear is background noise, so if we use noises, it's something they can identify with.
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Rachael W. Jun 20, 2008, 2:23pm EDT
John, if you give me a bit of time, I can rationalize anything! I was a history major after all...
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Barney JP Not Smarter than an 5th Grader Shel Is Pres of Gather Jun 20, 2008, 2:51pm EDT
I tried to imitate the car's noises once and the mechanic asked if I had 2 cats copulating in the trunk.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 2:59pm EDT
Barney, (LMAO) see that's why guys stopped making sick car noises.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 2:59pm EDT
Rae, that makes sense. Women think and express themselves more "holographically."
Thanks.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 3:00pm EDT
I'm with you, Ashley. We love noises. The louder the better.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 3:00pm EDT
I believe you, Rachel. And I do like the rationale.
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Kay M. Jun 20, 2008, 3:20pm EDT
I can imitate the car noises because I actually hear them. My husband only listens to the radio. If we are driving along and the car starts to sound like there is a cat trapped in the engine, he will just turn up the radio.
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Chas Andrews Jun 20, 2008, 3:30pm EDT
I was born with the "city" gene; I'd rather walk than deal with my car. It costs money.
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Renda B~surviving the storm by dancing in the rain. Jun 20, 2008, 3:30pm EDT
I use descriptions AND imitate the noise, although I can't get the sounds just right.
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Queen Akasha (Previous Dead Soul) Jun 20, 2008, 3:48pm EDT
lol you know this is just so funny.I have been told that women have to say 5000 words everyday. I honestly think that most women listen by with their mouths. No offense. I'm a girl too.
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Donald M. Jun 20, 2008, 3:53pm EDT
Most men I know spend hundreds of dollars buying the wrong parts, then end up taking it to a dealership, that way over charges, If they had listened to the woman in the beginning probably could have solved the ploblem immediately.
Women have to get to work and dont want to break down on the side of the road.
They have to transport children to school and want to make them there on time and not have children stranded too in hot sun or freezing weather. If the car dont work, neither does the heater or a/c.
When I was having problems with my car and accurately described what it was doing , all the men laughed at me. some said battery, I bought a new one. No dice. Some said its like your home you have to clean it. So they once again cleaned the battery post. I knew to do that and how. It would be running fine then just die going home. Everyman would just laugh and have me buying parts and things that I could not afford and support 3 children. then finally one day, no start to go to work. No lights, no nothing with new battery. cleaned post. So finally this being the first year they put those expensive brains for lack of better word, in the cars. One man told me let him go get one of those. It was the problem all along. After installing it, which took unscrewing two screws and installing new one putting screws back. really simple. I quit asking men and started referring to my owners manual. would raise the hood. sit with my legs on each side looking at each part and learning to diagnose my own car.
I am Donalds other half Norma.
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Ron B. Jun 20, 2008, 6:19pm EDT
hehehehe......
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 6:24pm EDT
Norma, buying the wrong parts is a guy thing. We do it all the time because then we have someone to blame when it doesn't work.

"Damn, auto parts shop. You'd thin they'd know I needed a (insert mechanical word here.)

I've made piece with my mechanical inability as you can readily see in: Windshield wiper mania
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 6:25pm EDT
Ron, is that the sound of a broken camistrut?
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 6:25pm EDT
Kay, funny.

Turning up the radio is a guy trick. If we heard the noise, we'd have to stop and fix the car and, unless we are well versed in the mechanical arts, that situation could precipitate a male identity crisis.
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John Philipp Jun 20, 2008, 6:26pm EDT
Chas, I'm with you on the walk-don't fix-philosophy.

I'm not sure what the definition of a "metrosexual" is but I don't think it involves greasy hands.
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