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Thought~Byte No. 102

June 03, 2008 11:58 PM EDT
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Thought~Byte No. 102

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John Philipp Jun 3, 2008, 11:58pm EDT
Thought~Bytes are posted every Wednesday. To see all Thought~Bytes and get an email when new ones are posted, please join Thought~Bytes-The Group

Additionally, all my humor articles are now posted to John's Humor. You're welcome to join that as well.
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Jennifer aka Jenn B. Jun 4, 2008, 12:05am EDT
Sorry John...I disagree........
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 12:08am EDT
OK, Jennifer. Come back tomorrow and see if you feel the same
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 12:09am EDT
As usually, the second Byte is a little more convoluted and has multiple layers/word definitions.

Chew on it a while, Dan.
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Doc, in the middle, holding on... Curmudgeon esq. Jun 4, 2008, 12:27am EDT
naw.. John.. usually the memories go gold or go away. usually.
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Jan S. Jun 4, 2008, 12:30am EDT
I'm not so sure about this, either. I would hate to lose my sweetest memories. Some of the memories are even better than the actual event.
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Sunaura *. Jun 4, 2008, 12:34am EDT
I guess it means living in the 'now'
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Vivian A. Jun 4, 2008, 12:45am EDT
Okay, took three reads, but I'm on board. You're right the initial read is just superficial. After all a moment not valued never becomes worthy of memory. Or perhaps the memory is just an echo of the original valuation.
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Member Photog Jun 4, 2008, 12:57am EDT
Cesare Pavese said it best > "We do not remember days, we remember moments"

good one to chew on slowly and savor,eh?

cheers,gayle
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Debra B. Jun 4, 2008, 1:06am EDT
I had to think about this one. To me it says that unless we enjoy the moment, the memory is pointless.
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Jerri H. Jun 4, 2008, 1:08am EDT
If you don't live the moment, the memories will not exist ;)
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Jean, just the teensiest bit odd, F. Jun 4, 2008, 1:20am EDT
Well... I think it means that, during the initial experience -- whatever it is -- is when we get the most "benefit" from something... The memory of the experience is nice but we only get one opportunity to actually "live it"... That is the "value" of experiencing something for the first time: We learn.
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Ron B. Jun 4, 2008, 2:15am EDT
I like it.
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Shirley U Understand Me S. Jun 4, 2008, 2:28am EDT
need to live it the first...and only time...can't go back and re-live no matter how much we enjoy the memory
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Mike Ellwood Jun 4, 2008, 4:08am EDT
There is much to be said for living in an eternal 'now' and sucking the juice of existence, but reflective people might occasionally want to stop and savour the taste. But then I suppose you could say that when Wordsworth lay upon his couch in vacant or in pensive mood his recollection of the daffodils was his 'now'.
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Karen E. Jun 4, 2008, 4:22am EDT
Well, I just got in my head about this and feel quite sure that when the sand completes it's fall, that goofy guy on the top will still be too large to stuff through the hole. I think...
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DIANE D. Jun 4, 2008, 5:25am EDT
I wouldn't have anything if I did not have my memorys
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Amy H. Jun 4, 2008, 6:34am EDT
thats so true Diane
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Bonnie F. Jun 4, 2008, 6:40am EDT
If you don't value the moment, then you won't store it as a memory. I tend to remember only the very good or very bad moments. The insignificant moments are forgotten.
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Marianne R. Jun 4, 2008, 6:56am EDT
I think it's in both actually.
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Larry M. Jun 4, 2008, 7:14am EDT
I highly value many of my memories.
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LaRue B. Jun 4, 2008, 7:17am EDT
It's quality, not quantity. I like that one John.
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ChrisJerri S. Jun 4, 2008, 7:20am EDT
I must be living more in the now or moment, maybe by default, since my memory seems to be fading at a rapid pace.
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Donna Hammett-Tooker Jun 4, 2008, 7:51am EDT
I value all of my memories but now I find the values have risen with age - those with old friends have gained much more value as the friends die and no more memories can be made. How much of ourselves we waste in our youth never realizing that everyone we know affects us and when that influence dies or disappears, we either commit to memory or conveniently "forget" so they don't cloud our present lives. I have taken to calling old friends out of the blue and talking for an hour or so just to reconnect - something I didn't do when I was still in the area. Now 500 miles away I am closer than before and their surprise at my call is a part of the joy I relish most. The value of now is unmeasurable.
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Susan E. Jun 4, 2008, 8:37am EDT
I have to disagree ---- The moment is important!
But the memory of the moment is what makes the bad times in your life seem 'not so bad'.
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Anita R. Jun 4, 2008, 8:50am EDT
Being "in the moment" is a real art form! This is something I am trying hard to capture in my life... after all the planning, paying and getting there, I am now learning to relax and soak up what's going on around me. I'll be testing this theory in August when I go to a family wedding in Hawaii. When I'm sitting on the sand, I want to ONLY be sitting on the sand. Thanks, John, this one hit home with me.
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Donald M. Jun 4, 2008, 8:57am EDT
If we dont enjoy the moment, how can we make memories?
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~Sia McKye~ Jun 4, 2008, 8:59am EDT
Value is there at the moment, true, but there is a an added element in the memory, as well.
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Joseph(pol correctness is a mental disorder) R. Jun 4, 2008, 9:13am EDT
Not true; memory, whether perceived as positive or negative has priceless value.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:33am EDT
Donald, you tell me.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:33am EDT
Joseph, that can be true and the Byte still stands.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:33am EDT
That is definitely true, and part of what's in this Byte.
Now take a bigger byte, Sylvia. :)
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:34am EDT
"usually the memories go gold or go away" is a clever phrase, Doc.
Thanks.
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Bert Van Essen Jun 4, 2008, 9:34am EDT
If w edon't enjoy the moment we can't remember the good times.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:34am EDT
"I will go break down some boxes and if I change my mind " Shannon, that's exactly the right approach.

And, it's not a question of "changing" your mind but "allowing" your mind.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:35am EDT
Bert, and if we are remembering the good times we are not enjoying this moment.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:35am EDT
"I would hate to lose my sweetest memories"- Jan.

See how this ties into the previous Byte about having "stuff?"
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:35am EDT
Sunaura, it does mean that.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:36am EDT
"After all a moment not valued never becomes worthy of memory. Or perhaps the memory is just an echo of the original valuation"

Vivian, that's an very interesting was to explain this Byte. I love the concept of considering memories as echos. Now you have me pondering ... but not before I get some coffee.

Caffeinless pondering can sprain your brain.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:36am EDT
"We do not remember days, we remember moments"

OK, Gayle, I really do need that coffee now.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:37am EDT
Thanks, Stanley. You'll see after a while that Bytes are fractal meaning most of them are subsets or mirror each other.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:37am EDT
"unless we enjoy the moment, the memory is pointless."

That's part of what it can mean, Debra. I like your phrasing.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:37am EDT
"If you don't live the moment, the memories will not exist". That is also true, Jerri.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:37am EDT
Jean, as with Jerri's, that is true and only a part of what you can mine out of this Byte.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:37am EDT
Thanks, Ron.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:37am EDT
That's true, Shirley. "need to live it" might be phrased "need to live me."
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:38am EDT
Mike, that is a very esoteric and important point in the Byte Universe.

Remembering can be done in the Now. It does take a little practice — some spend their life discovering how.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:38am EDT
I think there's a lot of value in exploring the meaning one might attribute to that "Goofy guy," Karen.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:39am EDT
Shannon, one can't over think (you think or you don't).

So - was the value of this Byte in the thinking you did over it or the memory of what you decided?

BTW, there's nothing to agree or disagree with. That would imply that I am saying, "This is true."
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:39am EDT
"I wouldn't have anything if I did not have my memories"

That's a common view, Dianne. If you think about it, that may not be entirely true.

If it is, you might want to do something about it or not.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:39am EDT
Glad you think so, Amy.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:39am EDT
Bonnie, the connection between value of a moment and the memory is an interesting one.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:40am EDT
Marianne thinks it's both - just when I thought we'd covered everything.

(Thanks.)
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:40am EDT
Larry, I guess that depends on your definition of the word "value" how that fits with this Byte.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:40am EDT
It is definitely quality, LaRue and it's also more than that.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:40am EDT
ChrisJerri, you had to bring that up!

Very clever and, at one level, a totally different take on this Byte.

Thanks.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:40am EDT
Donna, as usual you have an interesting explanation around how you interpret this.

I like your example. Thanks,
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:41am EDT
Susan, if "the memory of the moment is what makes the bad times in your life seem 'not so bad'" then maybe you are using memory to not experience life, even when it's not "good."
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Jule's dreamin of a wonderfilled life for all research mode again Jun 4, 2008, 9:41am EDT
the memory is was that value does for your life
value your memories they can make you smile at the bleakest times of your life

just got on saw this and wrote now I will read the thread at leasure while drinking my first cup of coffee...........
love it
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:41am EDT
I'm glad it did, Anita and I wish you the best in this quest.

The beach is a good place to get in touch with "being in the moment."

A wedding may be the hardest.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 9:42am EDT
Jules, read the comment thread as well. There are a lot of concepts embedded in this Byte.
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Jule's dreamin of a wonderfilled life for all research mode again Jun 4, 2008, 9:50am EDT
well my thoughts have not changed John but added to!
even the value of hard lessons learned, and the pain of loss have helped me in life though memory.
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Jule's dreamin of a wonderfilled life for all research mode again Jun 4, 2008, 9:54am EDT
just decided I can't keep missing your bytes just because of time restrsints till I get ti my home in southern Illinois John it may be days late and five at a pop but I love how your mind works!
like a bit of therapy each day!
Of course not many have said they consider it so. . .but then I am a bit odd, and plan on staying this way!
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Jule's dreamin of a wonderfilled life for all research mode again Jun 4, 2008, 9:57am EDT
oops one day a week....Well I have many back ones to use daily when needed...
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Kay & Snowy Cat Jun 4, 2008, 10:04am EDT
Not if you want to learn from your mistakes, John.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 10:31am EDT
Kay, for me learning and memory are different activities - now and later.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 10:31am EDT
Satisfaction can never be satisfied, John.

However, it can be dissolved.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 10:31am EDT
Jules, that's one of the key points with Thought~Bytes.

Thanks. You have my permission to use the Bytes however you get value from them — as long as you sign the liability waiver :)

It's easier now that the Bytes are in one group. I still have to "articlize" the earlier ones that were posted simply as images.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 10:33am EDT
BTW, Jules, my grandfather lived in Southern Illinois. Nashville, near Centralia, I think.

Many happy memories as a boy when we visited - and SLEPT on the train coming from New York!
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Lance L. Jun 4, 2008, 10:54am EDT
Einstein did say that the human mind has two different states of being. One perspective when we are actively engaged in something and an alternative perspective afterwards.
It is a fact that the more time we put between when something is done and when we try and recall it, the accuracy of the memory is diminished.
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Tristan Russell Jun 4, 2008, 11:01am EDT
I'd have to disagree. We judge value from hindsight. Sure, we can tell if a moment is good or bad, but I think the true value comes from digesting and living with the consequences of said moment. Also, we create and set our "value gage" by using it on memory. If we forgot all our memories, would we know what it is to value something?
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 11:08am EDT
Interesting point, Lance. So, increasingly over time we tailor our memories to the version we'd be liking to remember.

Why not just read a good book?
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 11:09am EDT
Tristan, you are assuming there is value in valuing.

(Bytes are slippery, multi-headed little devils.)
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 11:13am EDT
Tristan, to be clear, I'm not disagreeing with what you said. First of all because this isn't about agreement or not.

Second, what you say or see in the Byte is true and not the only truth in the Byte.

Sometimes it depends on how you define a term. Other times it's just a question of where you are standing at the moment.
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~Lady Neeetah of California~Obama #44 W. Jun 4, 2008, 11:44am EDT
And I have found such great value in you, John, as well as these special moments we share together.

*sniff, sniff*

Now, kick everybody else off this thread so that the two of us might be alone together and really value this very speeeecial moment

John?

John?

Wherefore art thou, John?

Wilt thou misseth the specialness of this moment, John?
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~Lady Neeetah of California~Obama #44 W. Jun 4, 2008, 11:45am EDT
. . . and I thought you REALLY cared!
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~Lady Neeetah of California~Obama #44 W. Jun 4, 2008, 11:46am EDT
Memories, like the corner of my mind. . .

of the way we were.
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Kimberly Ripley Jun 4, 2008, 11:47am EDT
I have been making more conscious attempts at living in the here and now. WHen that happens we build a richer memory bank.
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Kenneth P.G. ∎ 4th Movement in B minor ∎ Jun 4, 2008, 12:57pm EDT
John >

A Ten for making me think about it. And I gotta go with the memory side of the equation.
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Beaker (just Beaker) Jun 4, 2008, 1:32pm EDT
Some of us have more memories than moments left! I hate to think I'm limited to the sand in the top of my hourglass. If the memories aren't treasures, why do we revisit them so often?

Not disagreeing, just musing.
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Otelia S. Jun 4, 2008, 1:35pm EDT
I guess that's true for the person whose losing their mind/memory.
Very intiguing thought, BTW
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 1:41pm EDT
Otelia, losing one's memory is another dimension of this as well. Though this had validity for those we aren't also.

Muse away.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 1:41pm EDT
I do care, Nee. I was at the gym doing research for another article.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 1:41pm EDT
Kim, a whole other facet here. They are connected in a positive loop as well as a negative loop.
Now, as long as we don't get loopy ...
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 1:42pm EDT
"If the memories aren't treasures, why do we revisit them so often?"

Beaker, now that's a statement well worth pondering.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 1:44pm EDT
Ken, think a little longer. You don't have to pick sides.

In what ways is it true for you, in what ways isn't it true for you?

That would be the full equation.

I invite you to join two groups I've set up recently. (Just click on the JOIN button at each group)

If you're ever short of humor you can always check out John's Humor (New columns every Monday).

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Lance L. Jun 4, 2008, 4:15pm EDT
Why not just read a good book?

For some people reading a book may indeed be a review of their life, for others it maybe a way to forget those memories that don't diminish.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 4:21pm EDT
I was thinking a book would be reading someone else's memories and easier to be in the moment than my own memories.
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Deb S. Jun 4, 2008, 4:22pm EDT
Excellent
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 4:42pm EDT
Thanks, Deb.
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Marge H. Jun 4, 2008, 5:33pm EDT
I value my memories but I had to have had the moments to remember.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 6:26pm EDT
True and valuable, Marge. The implication isn't that memories are bad but that to depend on them and miss what's going on.
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Georgiana S. Jun 4, 2008, 6:26pm EDT
I have more memories than moments these days!
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 6:38pm EDT
Then it's time to look around, Georgiana. Moments are ... well, everywhere.
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Bethany C. Jun 4, 2008, 6:40pm EDT
I value the moments. But sometimes the memories help you get through the moments.
Like one year when my husband had cancer and stayed in the hospital about seven months out of that year. Those were dark days. But a few months before he was diagnosed with cancer we had taken a second honeymoon. On my darkest days the memory of those beautiful golden days helped me hold on.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 6:47pm EDT
I certainly agree with that, Bethany and I think we using slightly different definitions of the term "moment."

Not that that matters ... at the moment.
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Lin G. Jun 4, 2008, 7:19pm EDT
Too true, too true. But there's a lot to be said for memories also.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 8:05pm EDT
Agreed, Lin. I'm not knocking memories, just how they are used.
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John Philipp Jun 4, 2008, 8:06pm EDT
I'm glad you had such a great time, Arleen ..
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