Here is George W. Bush in a recent intervew in "Politico" magazine:
Q Mr. President, looking ahead, are you worried that through no fault of the candidates, that America may be in for a kind of ugly conversation about race this fall?
THE PRESIDENT: No, I'm not. I think most Americans are open-minded people, and they're going to pick the President who can keep America safe and keep taxes low. And so I think -- my own judgment is, is that race will only enter in if it's provoked by the press.
Okay, let's travel back from la la land for a moment. To begin with, the question itself was wrong: "through no fault of their own", give me a break. Senator Clinton has played the race card at every opportunity in her desperate effort to keep her sinking boat above water. In the second place, what planet do you inhabit, George? Americans are fully color blind in this wonderful futuristic civilization of ours, unless provoked by the evil gnomes of the Press, yeah right. For a glimpse of reality, let's take a glimpse of the recent experiences of Senator Obama's campaign workers.
Victoria Switzer, a phone-bank staffer in the Pennsylvania primary campaign, made 60 calls in Susquenanna County, where she lives. One person she called suggested that Obama should be lynched. When you are talking to a stranger by phone, you are free to express your true feelings. Documentary filmmaker Rory Kennedy said that one Pittsburgh Union organizer told her he would not vote for Obama because Obama is black. Another white voter declared to her "White people should look our for white people, and black people should look out for black people". How refreshing!! On election day in Kokomo, Indiana, a group of black high school students were holding up Obama signs on Route 31, a major road. As drivers cruised by, many of them rolled down their windows to yell "N*****", according to Obama staffers.
I am not suggesting here that every white voter in the USA is racist, or defending the fact that many black americans vote for him because he is black. Ultimately, both things are wrong. It should be noted that there is overt racism of lynch threats and slurs, but there is more subtle racism at work too. for example, declaring that you are "less comfortable with a black candidate for president" or "not ready yet". Hey it's 2008 and Martin Luther King died 40 years ago. When are you going to be ready, never?
Of course, Obama and his senior advisors respond to all this with denial just like George's. But see, they do not have a choice. If you point out that there are actually people voting against you because they do not like your skin tone, that just makes things worse. It plays into that same Reverend Wright thing where white people feel threatened when accused of not being color blind. They sure as hell are not color blind, but they will certainly respond with outrage when someone points it out to them.
As I said, Clinton continues to play the white card at every game. But here's the thing. imagine for a moment that she somehow convinces the superdelegates that Obama is unelectable for racial reasons and gets enough votes to win the nomination. Millions of African Americans who voted for Obama in the primaries then feel betrayed and stay home come November. How does that make Clinton our next president, when we know already that she carries baggage that makes fully 40% of the american electorate unwilling to vote for her even if she were to personally hand them a check for $1000?
This thing is not making me feel proud to be an american. Maybe Rev. Wright had a point, even if he is a crazy clown who has gleefully tied himself to Obama's neck like a millstone.


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I avoid tv news networks. I know that they are all trying to capture ratings and have turned away from real journalism to more of a "National Enquirer" format. The saddest part of the entire thing is that they do this because they know they will attract viewers. Those viewers are Americans. What does this say about the people in our country? That we have gotten so adolescent in our thinking that we would rather focus on titillating sensationalistic lies and innuendoes than the real problems facing this country?
Every time I hear one of these ridiculous quotes/lies or about one of these racial incidents, I am ashamed. Ashamed of my fellow ignorant Americans. And dismayed that my children and their children will no longer live in a democratic country. A democracy cannot flourish without mature, informed and caring citizens who believe in the Constitution and this country's laws and live their lives in obeyance of them.
–noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
from dictionary.com
Here is where I get confused by the complaints of racism. If white people vote for Senator Clinton it is racism and bad for America. If black people vote for Obama is not racism and it is a good thing. Why? If an overwhelming majority of urban blacks vote for Obama, it is good, but if an overwhelming majority of rural whites vote for Clinton it is racsim? Sounds like double speak to me. Obama supporters should stop calling in the race card, they are the ones who are making this election about race, not the Clinton supporters.
I'm not in the heads of voters, my state hasn't even voted yet but from recent polls it seems his own statements are harming him much more than anything the Clinton camp or Wright ever said.
We have racists among us. Some are black some are white. Some don't know they are racist. We don't have time to solve this between now and November. We have a president to elect.
How about we talk about this after Nov? But no, after Nov, everybody will go back to their corner, waiting four 4 years to come back and complain about something.
Obama knew what the playing field was. Now it is time to deal with it. He is doing his best. His supporters are crying way too much racism the last 48 hours. Move on, win Oregon, try to win votes from the "racists", life goes on.
Apryl- despite the posturing, Hillary Clinton is not a gun toting beer guzzling trailer dweller. I realize that candidates have to play games with perceptions and act like what they are not, but I am uncomfortable with the pointlessness of that.
And why would WHITE voters be more put off by that comment that BLACK voters? It is interesting that you are making that assessment.....perhaps you think that this comment would be closer to the truth with whites than with blacks?
I don't believe that...I personally think that that statement was truthful. In the heightened state of fear that Bush has conjured up in this country since 9/11, doubled with the VA Tech-type shootings, you do find people talking more about their religious beliefs AND their right to arm themselves. Pure fact. If people are insulted by that, then they should take a long hard look at themselves and how they react to fear, regardless of what race they are.
Was that when he was spending years in the lower class neighborhoods of Chicago, fighting for the rights of the poor? Does Clinton's Yale degree make her closer to the people?
I'm sorry - this is silly. I'm sick of people spewing forth the garbage they hear on talk radio and cable news. Think for yourselves, people. Stop being mindless sheep.
Hillary is and will play every card she has to get nominated. She has already proven the ability to outright lie, make claims about her record that were patently false because the average Democratic voter has and will continue to fall for it every time. The sad fact is that no matter what the people say, no matter what the super delegates say she will most likely win the election. Then she will pull the final card that the Democratic Party has over the African American community; you see the Democratic Party owns the African American community. If you don't vote Democrat you're not an African American. Just ask any Republican African American politician (such as J.C. Watts who said this in a book he wrote several years ago) about the hold the party has over the community.
The reason this offended so many people is because it is true....how many times have you heard if Obama get elected he will be assassinated right away. Why? Because he is a man? Nope. Because he is a black man? You got it....how are presidents assassinated? With guns. Of course this will have to take place after mass and before happy hour.
How can you picture this in your mind? Does she go from Superdelegate to superdelegate and remind these people that Obama is Black? Powerpoint presentation? Be serious . . . not one superdelegate is going to make a statement that they're supporting Clinton because Obama is half-black and wouldn't be electable. That's only going to be said by people with no idea what the reality of the situation is.
"Millions of African Americans who voted for Obama in the primaries then feel betrayed and stay home come November."
Wow. Subtle, but you have a tad bit of prejudice showing here. You mean that the idealistic, college aged youths that supported and worked so hard for Obama would NOT feel betrayed and would NOT stay home? Why don't you mention them? Obama has a lot of supporters in a lot of categories in all 57 states (just kidding - lol!) . . . but the blacks would stay home. They care so little for this nation that they'd hand it to McCain to get even. Now that I think about it . . . it's NOT that subtle.
Incidentally . . . nobody gets "betrayed" in this . . . one will win and one will lose. Some will be happy, some will not. But pretending like the vote of super-delegates can betray the voters is disingenuous. Super-delegates have always voted, they just have never seen a contest close enough where their votes mattered.
Anyway, it's all a moot point...Obama's all but won already. Even the RepubliCON party figured that out a long time ago.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
Since it clearly will be decided by the superdelegates . . . I'd say that was the point of this article. Oh . . . and the reminder that black people will not vote for clinton having been F'd over by "The Man" yet again . . . nobody else will mind the nomination being decided like it always has been . . .
That's not true Carol. Obama never had such arguments. NO argument needs to be made. We elect a president with the electoral college in the general and delegates in primaries. Just look at the delegates, that has been Obama's camp position from day one. No pop vote argument was ever made. In fact he trailed it at various point of the campaign. Why would he ever make such an argument? It was not until he went 11-0 that he took the lead and started saying we are leading in all categories including pop vote.
By the way, it's not SUPER DELEGATES NOW. It's delegate. It does not matter what one thinks. He is leading in delegates and that's all that matters. Supers are the only one in position to take it away and THEY WON'T.
"We have broken the race barrier" - HUH? Who is we? The 20% who said race was a factor in their decision yesterday to elect a president. LOL. Cross check your facts before you make statements.
Crossed the race barrier and not the gender barrier. Not in politics! How many African American senators in the history of the U.S.? 3 including Barack Obama. Just two before him. Think about it. Two AA U.S. senators.
How many governors? 2 to be ever elected (Wilder, Patrick current governors) - the other two were not elected.
While we've come a long way (i.e. Obama's candidacy), the record is very very poor.
I certainly hope that comment was not directed to me. I stated what I have observed from the exit polls. I absolutely had no intention of coming on here to brawl. I did not insult anyone on this thread. How dare you insult my intelligence. I have personally managed many political campaigns and have worked for years for the benefit of my party.
My party is the GOP, so I don't even have a dog in this race. But as an AMERICAN, I make it my business to stay informed and that means watching all the debates and listening to all the speeches. Democrat and Republican.
The problem as I see it, is some people can't have an intelligent discussion without resorting to insults and name calling. But you're the smart one, right?
off to think for myself...............................
Apryl, please in the future indicate that you are repeating what other people say rather than just writing the comments as if they were your own opinions. And if it is your own opinion, then my remark stands. I think these are comments based on snippets that the news has taken and twisted for their own sensationalist purposes, or remarks made by media pundits with their own agendas of smearing the Democratic candidates.
Our election hasn't taken place yet, we vote on the 20th. Honestly, for the first time in many years I dread voting. Obviously I am unhappy wth my party's nominee. If it were possible I would consider crossing party lines but as you are aware of, our state has a law prohibiting this unless we switch before Dec. 31st. I can't remember ever being this unhappy with a candidate.
I was referring to Sheryl's statement. I assumed she was addressing me.
Sheryl, as I stated above, I rely not on political pundits for my opinions. I am an intelligent and hard working voter. I wouldn't trust the media to report a falling building if I had seen it fall with my own eyes.
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***And why would WHITE voters be more put off by that comment that BLACK voters? It is interesting that you are making that assessment.....perhaps you think that this comment would be closer to the truth with whites than with blacks? ***
Sheryl (I take back my 'y', Google) O., May 14, 2008, 10:59am EDT
I never specified COLOR, in fact I am quite sure I stated the exact opposite. I said
"The average working man or blue collar voters are put off by his recent statement about americans being bitter and hanging on to their religion and guns. "
Notice the words blue collar and average working man. Are you trying to say that only white people work blue collar jobs? I am very confused by your statement and would love for you to clarify.
Sandy:
As for the exit polls, I watched the exit polls on all the channels and online. I have listened to all the speeches and debates but I was curious as to what other voters were saying on the exit polls. I really don't believe race is a huge factor in this race and that was the point I was trying to make. But then again maybe I am naive or just have an over abundance of faith in americans.
Notable that Hillary Clinton now has publicly regretted one of her lines- the one where she said that Obama's support from white voters was weakening.
I suppose that there is such a thing as class, separate from skin color. It is unfortunate however that blue collar white americans in past decades have had a tendency to define themselves as separate from blacks. Sort of like, I may not have money, but at least I am not black. That was basically what it meant in the 1960s when George Wallace harnessed that emotion in his unsuccessful white house run.
And, again..could you please clarify your comments which caused so much confusion? Are you simply repeating what people are saying outside the polls? Or, are those your opinions also?
I was simply trying to be optimistic on the race issue in this country and as it stands in this campaign. I'd like to believe that we as a nation are beyond racism.
Sheryl,
I'm done, interpret my statement how you choose. I really don't care.
I will not anymore. And, if you continue to over-react to people responding to your comments as you did at the beginning of this thread when I asked you to clarify, or shut people down when they try to continue to clarify exactly what your opinions are and what you are trying to say, then many people will not engage you and ignore your comments.
I explained myself perfectly well. I addressed you and Sandy. I asked you to clarify your statement (I even used quotations, per your request) and you pulled a loop job on me and answered my question with another question. I answered perfectly where I got my information and stated my opinion quite well, I thought.
Chris seemed to understand me as did Sandy. I feel you are intentionally being obtuse. I will not further engage in a pointless discussion. I have my own feelings on the subject of politics, I have stated them quite clearly. I said I didn't have a dog in this race, meaning the democratic nomination as I am a conservative. I was simply stating how I felt on the subject of race being injected in this primary, I also stated that I may be wrong (this happens to all us mortals). I came here to partcipate in an intelligent discussion with intelligent people. Sandy is capable of this as well as Chris. I don't know why you are apparently trying to engage me in an argument. I know who I am, I know what I stand for and I am not changing. I therefore have nothing to prove nor gain by continuing this mindless and meaningless dialogue. I care not to be the big dog, I have a "real" life.
I simply asked Apryl to clarify her comments on whether or not they were simply others' comments that she was repeating, as she seemed to be indicating to Sandy, or whether they were her own. I did not question your intelligence, Apryl, as I was addressing my comments to your comments, which you claim to be just a repetition of what others are saying. If you have no opinions of your own, then you should not be offended. I do not "pick fights" with people on Gather, but when they make comments on a thread, and then not clarify that these are others' opinions and not their own, I will question them on it.
Again, I will no longer question your comments, even when they are unclear. I just want you to realize that I am not being argumentative...I enjoy discussions with people and seek to understand their POV's. If questionning for clarification's sake is offensive to you, then so be it.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
Thank you, Apryl. I've pushed myself to the limit the last few weeks and when I've been on Gather, I've usually been doing two or three other things at the same time. I apologize again to you, and to everyone else who has suffered my lack of proper attention.
I don't think race is nearly as much a factor as people are trying to make it. Sure, there are still bigots but I don't think the hungry and the jobless of them will let their bigotry stand in the way of cleaning up the mess this country is in.
I think the bigger factor is socio-economic, and people being torn between loyalty to what they believe the Republican party should be and the reality of what it has become. Honestly, Apryl, I believe with all my heart that Barack Obama can and will deliver the healing this country needs. He has worked to bridge the gaps between the parties for years, and talked about it since before this campaign began. If anyone can get that done, and restore the Republican party to what it should be, I think it's him. Obviously, John McCain thinks the same thing, since he has added Obama's words to his own stump speech now.
Thank You for responding. No need to apologize, I know how busy and exhausting campaign work is. I'm not busy this time around as I am not working this campaign. I agree the lines seem to be drawn along socio-economic lines and not race.
As a conservative I tend to vote republican and am registered as a republican. I voted for Clinton the first time he ran. As a conservative I feel the republican party has turned its back on me and many others. They have stepped away from our core beliefs and I am angry. As a conservative I feel lost in this election and feel as though I have no candidate that represents me. As I mentioned earlier for the first time in years I have thought about crossing party lines.
I'm beginning to wonder if we as a nation have outgrown the two party system. I'm beginning to wonder why parties even exist.
I think we need a grass roots effort to get the laws changed in our state demanding open ballots or at least a law that will allow us to change parties and still be allowed to vote. I am angry that I can't vote for a person but must vote for a party. It would be the same if I were registered democrat and wanted to vote for a republican. I don't understand why these laws are in place.
Again, Thank You for responding to my comment.