Yes, She had to say White Working Class

She has worked hard for the nomination and she has every right to keep fighting for it. I voted for her in Michigan, not that it counted, but I would like to vote for her in November. All voters have a say, not just those who agree with you.

I don't like any of the candidates and find Obama the scariest of all, but honest. I also think McCain is honest but scary. Now, for Hillary and her remark. I have argued for a long time that when we classify people as black, white, latino, we are making ourselves equal to breeds of dogs and cats. It's just wrong on so many levels.

let's look at the issues instead of the non issues. How many people are without national health care?

About the war in Iraq, Bush is restoring order there and top terrorists have been captured. History will prove him right. Given a choice between Obama and Mccain, I will pick McCain.

Mary Ann I agree all voters have a right to be heard, when they follow the rules as set forth by their party. Your state didn't so you voted in a non-sanctioned vote, which means it doesn't count. Have a redo, and watch Obama stomp Hillary there. I can't believe you are so ready to vote for a person who lies as much as she does. Who steals as much as she does. Yes that is right Mary Ann there is cases to prove what I am telling you. People just don't want to believe she can be this awful person.

I loved her husband, even if he did spend that much money on a lie about oral sex. I think you should get a new governor there who will follow the rules, and not try to change them to stack the deck against the other candidates. Obama was not even on the ballot there, please explain how your vote should count, when others in your state were denied the chance to vote for their candidate.

Mary Anne, where did I say people ought to vote the same as I do? What I said was:

"But if the SUPER-Delgates give this nomination to her after Obama comes in with the most votes at the end of the race, then count me out of the Dem party altogether."

I just don't think it would be right for the super-delegates to give it to her based on her white working class pandering.

Yes, and even Hillary said the Minn votes wouldn't count at the time. Obama wasn't on the ballot, but she still wants HER votes to count.

Carol, what is it you find scary about Obama?

Mary Anne, you'll chose another four years of the same thing? Ouch!!!!

As for healthcare - she brags about her 15 years stint working on it - where's the beef? can she do it in four more years? And she didn't deliver on the jobs she promised either, but she doesn't like to admit that she helped her hubby do NAFTA. I cannot believe how blind the American public really is. Women who want her because she is a woman are just plain idiots.

When 90 percent of African-American voters cast a ballot for Obama, it goes without syaing, Obama panders like every other candidate, but it okay because he is the great Obama. The more rude accusation I read from his supporters, the more I wonder about the high road. Perhaps she should have said she carries the non-Hamas voters too.

Obama was never the person who brought race into this Primary. It all started with Bill Clinton saying this Obama thing was a fairy tale, and the media ran with it. Even if Bill didn't mean it in a racial way, what's so fairy tale about it. He's ahead in delegates. He's ahead in the popular vote. He's ahead in states voting for him.

I'm not trying to be rude. I am just telling it like it is, Linda. What is more idiotic than women voting on the basis of Hillary being a woman? That''s not about issues. I would venture to say that Blacks have been more disenfranchised than women have over the years. Even before women had the right to vote, they at last were well taken care of by their husbands, but blacks weren't treated so kindly back then.

I just heard that the superdelegates are going to be watching Hillrod carefully to see if she continues her negative campaigning. I was a supporter of hers. WAS. I cannot stand behind a candidate that has so blatantly lied, and spewed such hateful things. I voted for Obama on the 6th and I am a white, working class woman.
Go, Obama! Yes we can!

Rosa thats not fair. This woman has been fighting for everyone her adult life. You may like Barack and thats cool. But dont dis this lady. She doest deserve that. If you think for one moment Obama can win in Nov. with the political base he has now dream on. A lot of work has to be done to get A. Women B. Working class people C. Rural Vote. D. The Catholic vote without them the White House is again lost and I will blame him for going for this office before it was his time. it will be 4 more years of the same old same old and this country simply cant handle that.
Before you ask what do I mean by that. This man has limited experience. In Nov. He will be an elected but not yet seated Senator for two years In January he will have two years in the Senate. Lest we forget that half that time has been spent on running for the Presidency. If you read his book you would understand that he didn't plan to even consider the office until half way through the new administrations first term Which is 2010. Realistically he was thinking for a serious bid in 2012.

That was a good time table. I would have easily supported that plan. But he is asking me to vote for a virtual unknown for the most powerful position on this planet.

Well sadly that final glass ceiling will not be broken. Its still a boys club. Race is easier to overcome in this country be it business or politics than gender. We as women still have an uphill battle.

It was never about Race in the Primaries Rosa or haven't you figured that one out yet. It was about gender. I will stick around a bit for your reply

Do you think Rosa he can win with all those Caucus States? 'They are the easy ones to win. Hillary won the tough ones.

Calif. Texax Florida, Mich. Ohio. Penn. How many of the people who supported her do you think will vote for Obama in Nov. I am in Florida and I am doing a write in. We are angry here as we showed up to vote in record numbers. All the candidate were on the ballot. It was a even playing field no money spent no stump speeches no negitive ads. Dont count on carring Florida in Nov. or Texas or NY. You cant win without those three do the math....

Rosa look deep into the issues youre buying what youre told not what you independently find for yourself

he cannot realitically deliver on 30% of his promises neither can. Be realistic. There is a massive debt out there and we dont have the money to pay it. Save money by getting out of Iraq eh? Not so fast. Even is you began tomorrow pulling out troop and equiptment youre talking about 24 months. Or do you want to leave it all behind? I didnt think so. Change takes money and we are a bit short in that area.

There goes the high road! Hillary Clinton has beena champion of women's rights for three decades. SHe has worked hardon behalf of children and families. You Obama eople insult her record, well at least she has one! If you like Obama fine, but this negative stuff about Clinton will cost him votes and believe me there are many of us that won't vote for him. DO not question my vote. I do not vote for a person because of their sex or race, and oh it is okay for Blacks to support Obama because he is a person of color, but it is not okay for women to support Sen. Clinton? Obama is fast talking politcian that has done more to divide this country than unite it.

Too all Clinton supporters in the states where our vote doesnt seem to matter lets do a wirte in for the Nov. General Election.

oh Hear Hear Linda ty ty ty. He has effectively cost us the White House in Nov. Rosa my friend where are you? Barack not Clinton has divided my party.

Yes Carol, I do understand the Obama hadn't planned to run but people wanted him, so he did run. The main reason is because HE NEVER SUPPORTED THIS WAR. End of story. He was right, she was wrong. He can lead this country.

I don't happen to agree with you about Hillary. We don't owe her just because she spent her entire adult life planning for this day.

Carol, Obama has built a coalition in less time than both the Clinton's did. This is not about him, this is about a new movement happening in the country, and if Hillary would join him in the MOVEMENT instead of saying it's a Fairytale..... the MOVEMENT would be able to grow.

Excuse me Carol, Hillary also has a massive debt going on. Oh wait, they are millionaires, so it won't hurt them.

Linda vote for whoever you want. You have that right. All I'm saying is that voting for her just because she is a women is of no benefit to any of us except the Women's Rights Movement itself. While I agree we need a woman President and would love to see one, Hillary is NOT the one. She's just too nasty, not likeable to some as was put forward in one of the debates. They will stop at nothing, including the race card.

And Carol, we're way ahead of you, we also will write Obama in on our General Election Ballots should th SUPERS give it to Hillary just because she spent her life in pursuit of the dream.

I dont like either one Hilly or Obama, Hilly has told one to many lies for me. I think she really out did herself, with the snipers were shooting at her...
Obama has to many ties to many people that are racist or just plain crooks.
Hilly and Billy have had their names linked to many a scandal too.
I dont trust either one of them....

Vicky, with respect, I'd hate to be judged as racist just because someone I am close to is racist. Are you voting McCain? Do you really want more war and rumors of war that will lead to Armageddon? I don't think this country can handle four more years of republican rule.

It isn't just a matter of being a racist. He sat in that church for TWENTY years and supported Jeremiah Wright. Wright thinks Louis Farrakhan is a "man of the year". I guess Farrakhan isn't a racist either.
You are known by the people you associate with. Obama - Wright, Farrakhan, Ayers, Rezko. MIchelle Obama thinks white people are "ignorant". That smacks of racism too.

90 percent of blacks voting for Obama means one thing. They don't care about anything except that he IS black. Do you honestly think 90 percent of the black vote would go to him if he were white.
So get off the tirade about women voting for Clinton because she's a woman.

Don, Obama isn't anything like Wright, not in his demeanor, not in his background. Maybe he went to church there for twenty years because of the fellowship. I never agreed with my Pastor on every single issue he ever spoke on for all the years I attended church. Besides, there are so many divisions of churches we can't even count them all today. No rwo people will ever see eye to eye on everything. But maybe Obama also felt compassion for people like Wright, who really did go through some aweful times. I feel compassion for the homeless, but it doesn't make desire to be homeless. I visit with them often often and listen to their story, and I like to think I can help.

As for the 90% yes they probably did feel it's about time for a Black President, just like women think it's about time for a woman President. I never said it makes it right, and I never said they should vote for him just because they and he are black. But I am saying there is more to it than the black vote. Some other people are voting for him, because he wouldn't have gotten this far on the black vote alone. But Hillary has always touted her feminist orientation, wheras Obama has never touted a racial orientation.

You don't attend a church where you don't agree with what is preached at you every Sunday. He not only attended, but supported Wright, made him his "spiritual advisor", said "he was like a father to me", "I can no more dis-associate myself from Rev. Wright than I can dis-associate myself from the black church". DUH.

He has NO credibility. He has NO record, except for missing votes as a senator. He has DONE nothing. If he were a white candidate he would not even be in the race at this point. And that is because of the Wright controversy. And Michelle Obama's thesis about "ignorant" white people. Racist, hell yes.

Do you go to Wright's Church? Do you know for fact that's what he prached every Sunday?

"If he were a white candidate he would not even be in the race at this point. And that is because of the Wright controversy"

Don, that makes no sense. You have stayed up past your bedtime.

Rosa: I agree with you. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican - I'm an Independent. Although I fit Senator Clinton's "demographic" by age, gender and race, I voted for Senator Obama in the primaries. I simply looked at their backgrounds, their records, and what they were actually saying, and decided he was the best candidate (not the perfect candidate, but who is?) for the job. Their formal education is similar, but he has more actual experience in public office than she does. As a veteran, I know what work he has done on the Veteran's Affairs Committee. I made an informed decision and resent the people who keep telling me I should vote based on some demographic.

If Senator Clinton had won the nomination cleanly with the most votes, I would have supported her in November because she would make a far better President than Senator McCain. Interesting that most Obama supporters would support Senator Clinton, but fewer Clinton supporters say they will support Senator Obama even though he is clearly winning the raw votes and the delegates. I don't think that says anything good about the die-hard Clinton supporters.

This thread is incredible! I can't believe the pettiness, the sincere desire by some to just sit back, make wrong headed choices, and see our great nation fall into ruin.

The only candidate that can bring this country back from the brink is Obama. Politics, as it is practiced now, will destroy this country. Clinton, McCain, seriously?!?

Does anyone here understand why Obama wins caucus states? To participate in a caucus you must be pretty dedicated and inspired to do it as it requires quite a bit of time. It is not the same as walking into a room, pulling a lever, and then leaving. You are at the caucus location for some time before you can leave.

This being the case, the caucus participants are usually, but not always, what politicians call "high-information voters". These people are usually pretty conversant on the issues and are fairly certain as to whom will be the best candidate.

The reason that Hillary Clinton does not do well in caucus states is that she relies heavily on "low-information voters," no insult intended, just stating the facts. These people are more likely to vote for a candidate because: "she is a woman like me," "she clubs baby seals and I hate seals," "I've heard her name more often than her opponent."

Now, knowing this, which candidate would you trust more? The one selected by "high-information voters" or one selected by "low-information voters"?

Of course, Hillary will take these "high-information voters" and brand them as "elitists," but they are not. They are just well informed.

So, let's stop the misinformation and get ourselves informed before making silly remarks that make us Democrats all look as ridiculous as the Republicans. By the way, the Republican candidates have been relying on "low-information voters" for decades. Can't you tell!

It's pretty clear that many Democratic party voters will not be voting for a Democrat this year, no matter how it turns out.

Gary - Absolutely. Thanks for a precise analysis.

Gee, I didn't know this country was on the "brink" until this election. Apparently it has lasted this many years and I think will continue to do so regardless of who becomes president. I don't think Obama is the saviour of the world, we've already had one of those more than 2000 years ago!

Rosa - It's time to relax. Well, perhaps not relax, but at least to move on from the nomination battle. The superdelegates have been breaking toward Obama lately (at last check he was within one of passing her). He arguments have not been helping her make the case, and in fact, may be hurting her. Obama will be the nominee. And Clinton has a role to play in reuniting the party against McCain in the general election.

To everyone else: No one denies Hillary's capabilities, tenacity, etc. No one denies her the credit she deserves. Her problem is that she started out believing her own press clippings, that the nomination was inevitable, that she had some preordained right to the White House. Thus she ran a poor campaign from the beginning. When it wasn't wrapped up by Super Tuesday she wasn't prepared to proceed. Then she turned divisive, which was why she began losing support. Her celebrity had carried her to that point, but her inability to run a campaign organization and then her falling back on old school politics made many people lose faith in her as a leader. Meanwhile, as people got to know Obama they saw in him all the leadership skills that are needed as we move forward into the future. The number of years in Washington is not a prerequisiste for the Presidency - would we have wanted Strom Thurmond in the White House? Or Robert Byrd or Ted Kennedy? They have more Washington experience than anyone. Did we benefit from the "family" dynasty of Bush Jr? No, we need someone who can see the world from a different perspective. A candidate who is willing to listen to others and go into the Presidency with the explicit mandate to work toward resolution of the country's most pressing issues. And even more importantly, to bring respect and leadership back to the United States in the international community.

Hillary will not play a role in uniting the party. She will go though the motions, and the rest of us will wait for 2012.

I tend to agree with the statement Ada made, and think that if we do lose the General Election it will be because of the Clinton supporters. Most Obama's supporters would support Hillary.

And Gary that was right on about the caucuses. I'm glad you contributed that. The misinformed are the one who will throw this election to the wolves just for spite.

David, you see this exactly the way I do. A new perspective is what is needed to move forward. It's hard to believe so many people want to stay in the old school politics with the country in the shape it's in.

Tim, Obama is already graciously offering to talk to Hillary about a position. I don't see her turning it down, and I do believe she will do her best to reunite the party. It's in her blood. It'll be just like when she was overlooking all Bill's indescretions in order to save their political arses, quality control. She told her friend at the time, she didn't have time to have a nervous breakdown, she was too busy. She had to fix what Bill broke. It'll be the same here, more quality control. It's her followers that will be the problem.

In my State of Minnesota. Six Republicans were recently denied endorsement by the party for breaking ranks, and voting for a transportation bill. We, in the Independence party, picked up four of them. Most States don't have an Independence party for when these things occur.

I think it's great that the Republican party endorsed this type of politician for President, I was certainly not expecting it.

GARY,
The reason that Hillary Clinton does not do well in caucus states is that she relies heavily on "low-information voters," no insult intended, just stating the facts. These people are more likely to vote for a candidate because: "she is a woman like me," "she clubs baby seals and I hate seals," "I've heard her name more often than her opponent."

So, I guess you don't think that 90 percent of the blacks voting for Obama is "low information" voting as you put it. Do you honestly think they would be voting for him in that large a percentage if he were white? NOT.

Of course, Don B., Obama (just like any candidate in the race) has some voters who will be low-information voters. But, if this core constituency were his only asset, he would not be winning the nomination for the Democratic party. The fact that he also inspires high-information voters is important.

There are a number of state primaries and caucuses that Barack Obama won where the black vote was not a factor. For instance, up here in Maine, he won handily. Maine is a caucus state, has a low percentage of black voters in comparison to other states, but the electorate is pretty well educated. Interesting, wouldn't you say?

The point is, Don B., with all of the information out there on each and every candidate, and on each and every political party, there is little excuse not to be well informed. The internet has given us that and, as good American patriots, we are irresponsible not to be well informed.

Americans have been irresponsible for too many decades. In good times it is inconvenient to research candidates and parties. In bad times, especially times where our poor choices for the highest office in the land has caused these bad times, the American voter should think good and hard for whom he or she will vote.

Funny picture--never seen her that angry...LOL.

Obama has my vote - good article. Salud.