Rev. Wright and the Black Church

I've been to churches of color on many ocassions.
He gives african american pastors a bad name.
To Qoute the bible, Pride goeth before the fall!

He should be lifting up Christ, not promoting himself!
Jesus said He must increase and I must decrease.

He said the last shall be first and the first shall be last.

He said my flock knows me and they know my voice.

And guess what? That aint Jesus Christ's voice!

Wright is used to the spotlight, and seems to savor it. He may have taken a few weeks off to reexamine his motives and to review his remarks.

He's too buffoonish to take seriously. The remarks he made yesterday were meant to amuse and provoke but carry niether weight nor credibility. He is not running for office. I'm astonished that the Nation of Islam is compelled to provide him with physical protection.

Perhaps we need to discuss how gullible we seem to be when we allow someone like Wright to influence our opinions.

What do you make of Reverend Wright's high-profile return to center stage?

He's a glory hound.

Of his message?

It's nonsense.

Is this truth-telling?

No. He only tells one side of the story. He doesn't say WHY America did what it did or does what it does. He condemns us all to hell but if not for America where would the Christians' precious "Promise Land" be? DESTROYED by it's neighbors, that's where.

Is it showboating?

Yes

Is it prophecy?

No, it's stupid.

And what does it mean for the nation and Barack Obama?

It gives the American people a good look into Barack Obama's fundamental upbringing and the sort of swill he's been feasting on for the past 20 years .. oh, I forgot, he never actually attending that church.. ooo .. waite.. he did attend but he wore ear plugs while there .. no.... I got it...

:O/


P.S; Not all black churchs preach Writght's racist messages. That is something they've dreamt up to defend this knot head. He should be a happy man though, seeing how he as been able to scam his flock for a MILLION DOLLAR HOME among the people he loves best.. "rich white folks".. now he can be one of them! Sorta.


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I think Barack Obama's 20 year pastor has shown us a glimpse into the man with the Black Liberation Theology. Wright is just an old jerk

Wright is up on his grandstand.................don't let him leave until he's said EVERYTHING he wants to say. But I bet that Obama will be pulling him down off that grandstand before too long.

Every time Wright opens his mouth, Obama's numbers head south.

The spreading of hatred, no matter where it comes from, is wrong, plain and simple. Have a great day! Good article.

Oh Karen T., then why shouldn't we "respect" the racism of skin head's nazism as well? Is that OK with you or would it be better if they had a guy running for president to properly endorse their hate?

"our soldiers are still dying for a pack of lies.....yet we stood there knowing deep inside that something was just not right"

Oh? Why haven't the Democrats stopped it then? They went along with it.

I watched some of Wrights remarks and I was surprised how buffoonish he sounded.
Wright appears to be very pleased by his performance and his remarks. He has no idea that his remarks were empty rhetoric.

Did not the Trinty church buy him a multi million-dollar house in a white neighborhood? It sounds to me like America has been very generous w/ Wright.

Mickey L., Yep, it's true:

http://www.luxist.com/2008/03/31/reverend-wrights-million-dollar-retirement-home/

Misleading the sheep is a good scam if you can get it. Now all Wright has to do is hook up with Michael Jackson to see who does his white washing for him.

much of what thr 'rev' says is just what the blacks feel, who says he is wrong? it is his opinion and we should respect that.........we respected all the broohaha when there were wmd and threats by iraq but it was all a broohaha pack of lies.........."

Karen,

In other words, there is a double standard. I bet you if Jerry Farewell said these comments, you would be the first in line to condemn him. Please correct me if I am wrong.

"he has a right to his opinions and i am sure mr. obama does not subscribe to each and every thought the 'rev' has......"

How do you know?

"we respected all the broohaha when there were wmd and threats by iraq but it was all a broohaha pack of lies..........our soldiers are still dying for a pack of lies.....yet we stood there knowing deep inside that something was just not right........."

Karen, I have no idea on where you are going w/ this one.

"Misleading the sheep is a good scam if you can get it. Now all Wright has to do is hook up with Michael Jackson to see who does his white washing for him. "

LOL!

A couple of the callers to "On Point" took the approach that the uproar about Rev. Wright is just a manifestation of racial fear. This approach 1. is condescending, 2. implies that the caller has some transcendent insight into the inner states of others, 3. is a dismissive evasion of the question at hand, and 4. implies a potentially false accusation of racism. The implied claim of transcendent insight is presumptuous, to say the least, and decent people refrain from giving voice to such things, even if they're thinking them. It's rude to psychoanalyze other people for rhetorical advantage, and besides being incredibly smug and presumptuous, it verges on hate speech.
False accusations are the only kind of lie condemned in the 10 Commandments, and with good reason. False accusations, to the point that they're brought to some consequence, are a form of assault or rape; they're unjust violations of innocent persons. In this case, implicit accusations of racism are leveled at a lot of people who have valid criticisms of Rev. Wright and of Barack Obama, many of whom would have gladly voted for Colin Powell, had he run for president. Tossing around charges of racism without good grounds is severely unethical behavior.
There's something bizarre going on when Rev. Wright can speak the words, "God d*mn America," and then deny that it's bombastic, as he did with Bill Moyers. He might hide behind a shred of a technicality: "bombast" tends toward undue grandiloquence, while "rant" is more appropriate to what Rev. Wright said. But in essence, the accusation of bombast is closer to the mark than off. And to try to place it within the "context" of the "prophetic tradition" is transparently evasive. When right-wing preachers made similar arguments, that 9/11 and Katrina were God's punishment for the immorality of gays and residents of New Orleans, they were properly denounced and ridiculed. Rev. Wright deserves the same treatment.
In one exchange with Moyers, Wright was asked something to the effect of whether he was talking about a "race-based" church or theology, and he said no, that he was affirming the Christianity without denying the "Africanity". This is pretty close to a self-contradiction, especially in light of the bulk of what Wright says about the black church's "prophetic tradition". As the philosopher J.L. Austin once said, "...words are our tools, and, as a minimum, we should use clean tools." When people fall into the overly flexible use of words to the point of self-contradiction, they begin to speak nonsense. Much is made of the arbitrariness of words' significations, but this arbitrariness is stabilized by convention, and we speak and think more clearly when we keep some stability-of-signification in mind for the words we use, at least for the duration of a thought or conversation. That Rev. Wright seems to habitually play with self-contradictions, and it seems no surprise that he believes that AIDS is a government plot against blacks, and that "white children have a left-brained, object oriented learning style, and black children have a right-brained, subject-oriented learning style." This is the consequence of a failure to keep his tools clean and his thoughts clear.
It is a valid question in this election year whether a candidate voluntarily went to this hate- and nonsense-speaking man for spiritual guidance for 20 years.

bob l.,

Yes it's as if to say one could attend Hitler's speeches, with all the associated fury that must have griped that crowd and yet NOT be influenced, at all, by his twisted message. I think Obama believes he can convince us that we are all mentally insane.

Wright saw the dollar signs and he threw Obama under the bus for a dollar. He is a racist and a hatemonger of the same ilk as Jesse Jackson and the right righteous Al Sharpton. Both of whom would sell their mothers for a buck.
Wright would be funny if he weren't so pathetic.
I do not understand why the Nation of Islam feels he need protection. He's a clown. Maybe they think the "ignorant" and "bitter" white people will do him harm.

"I do not understand why the Nation of Islam feels he need protection. He's a clown. Maybe they think the "ignorant" and "bitter" white people will do him harm"

Don,

Maybe they are protecting him from Obama. Wright's bafoonish behavior is hurting Obama's chances of winning.

Cat,
You are known by the company you keep. I would not say Wright, Farrakhan and Ayers are particularly good company for someone who aspires to the presidency, would you?

Isn't the belief in God such a wonderful thing. Such a belief and faith has done so much to bring the world together ................. hasn't it?????

In the name of God we issue fatwas.
In the name of God we kill Iragis.
In the name of God we elect presidents.
In the name of God we execute murderers.
In the name of God we descriminate against other races.

God--- in the name of God isn't wonderful we believe in Him and His religion.

God save us all - I DOUBT IT!

I feel that the Reverend Wright truly believs what he is saying.
IN my expereince people respond to the consequences of their actioins. YOu do what you get rewarded for. I suspect that for the first few in the pulpit he was developing his message and he gave the congragation what they responded to (in a positive way). After several years of that positive reinforcement his attitude (if not already there) changed to include and reinforce his behavior. After so mnay yaers of practicing what he was so well rewarded for he is struggling to understand why it is not acceptable to all. He truly believes that he and his church are being attacked.

THis latest set of interviews has provided a new opportunity for Barack Obama to redine his response to the Reverend and his video snipits. He found he was too tepid in distancing himself in THE speech, the polls and media have shown that. Obama now with the Reverend all of a sudden going purblic and being almost as forceful as before with his remarks, Barack can no be very forceful in his distain for those new commments.

I am surely not saying that any of this is being orchestrated, since I am a very strong anti conspiritory person (there was no one on the grassy knoll).

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Preach on brother Rev. Wright tell them the truth, they don't want to heard that America has to change her ways, and change soon. Remember he's different not better just different so let's get pass the fear and seek truth and recocilation with one another.

Whenever any so-called Christian preacher starts preaching politics, it's time to watch out. That's all I'm saying..

Wright doesn't preach poliitics. He is a minister in the tradition of the Rev. King. He is also a scholar.

Obama owes his best ideas and values to his mentor. Obama's books and speeches make this clear. The message Wright has delivered in his sermons and written in his books are Obama's prime source. Liberation, transformation and reconciliation , as Wright said in Washington are the key ideas of his church. Liberation means more than opposing oppression in all its forms. It also encompasses freeing oneself from any feelings of inferiority or superiority and recognizing that "being different does not mean one is deficient."
Transformation means radical change: "Changed lives, changed minds, changed laws, changed social orders and changed hearts in a changed world."
Reconciliation, "means we embrace our individual rich histories, all of them. We retain who we are as persons of different cultures, while acknowledging that those of other cultures are not superior or inferior to us. They are just different from us."

Wright is perhaps the most powerful public orator in America since Martin Luther King, and he is as radical as King was (which most Americans have forgot or don't know). Wright gave his basic sermon in DC and 95 per cent of it is right : it is the Real America, not the politicians' pandering picture . But Wright went too far in his comments to the press. He was angry at the way he had been portrayed in the media and his church subjected to media attention.

Obama gave an excellent political speech on race in Philadelphia which did not tell any lies and he made his position clear. But he did not deny his debt to his mentor. Obama is trying to straddle two different worlds and speak to a wider audience. Thus the conflict and what makes the dialogue difficult. Many African Americans voted for Obama precisely because they want to get past the us versus them rhetoric

I think he is insane in the membrane....baha

Wright also said something, in his NAACP address, that is shocking. He said that Blacks think with the left "creative" half of their brain, and Whites think with the right "logical" half of their brain. He pointed out differences in culture, and other areas, to support this. Does he know that scientsts used these same arguments in the eugenics movement of the last century, to support slavery? He's not a stupid guy. I think he gets a perverse satisfaction out of using "the White man's" tools against White men.

Taking it one step further, I don't know if he is a Christian at all. He may see that as another "White man's" tool, to be used to spread hatred of White men. Perhaps that's why he's so friendly with Farrakan. Wright is a complex man, and this is speculation, on my part. I'm just looking at his behavior, and trying to understand it.

There are cultural differences in many groups of people, as well as genetic differences between, and within, all racial groups. If you look at Wright, he's as light in skin color as many White people. Of course, he probably is a victim of the "one drop" rule, in his mind (there I go speculiating, again). Anyway, his link between genetics and culture is off-base. It's origin is looked on as an embarrassing time in the scientific community, though it shaped modern social science. It still has great influence, as evidenced by highly educated men like Wright preaching it.

O.K. you don't like Rev. Wright what else is new. I can't help it if the U.S. government give blankets lace with small pox to the Indians. Let's call it Gem Warfare, I know it happen along time ago but I didn't forget.

"The C.I.A. released aerosol spray lace with L.S.D.
In 1950, the Army secretly used a Navy ship cruising just outside the Golden Gate to spray supposedly harmless bacteria over the entire city and its outskirts. Eleven people were sickened by the germs in San Francisco, and one of them died.

-- From 1956 to 1961, the CIA, in a secret behavior modification program called MK-ULTRA, dispatched agents to test the effects of mind-altering drugs such as LSD and synthetic mescaline on unsuspecting people in San Francisco, Mill Valley and other cities across the country. Many of the victims hallucinated, many became sick and at least two deaths resulted from the experiments.

-- And from 1944 to 1974, both the Defense Department and the Atomic Energy Commission conducted hundreds of secret experiments in San Francisco and around the country that exposed unsuspecting patients to dangerous doses of radiation, including injections of plutonium."

Above paragraphs were from an article title and author listed below:

When U.S. attacked itself
Government tested germs, drugs on unsuspecting citizens
David Perlman, Chronicle Science Editor

Sunday, October 28, 2001

Now, if you remember the question ask to Rev. Wright did he thought it was possible that the U.S. government was behind HIV/AIDS ect. He said yes, because of past U.S. actions. Maybe, maybe not? So its his opinion but if the truth be told the answer may not be too dangerious for the truth to get out.

But let's move on and focus on the real issues, the war, healthcare, jobs, fuel prices ect. Sen. Obama is still the MAN.

The Rev. Wright does not represent the Black Church. It's about time people faced that. He represents some people who go to predominantly Black churches and who are still playing the race and victim cards on a regular basis. There is no such thing as a cohesive Black Church any more than there is a cohesive White one for whom one person speaks.

One of the positive things about all of Wright's hate mongering this past couple of weeks is that it has brought out the voices of reasonable Black clergy who don't want the country believing that Wright's brand of Christianity speaks for them or for the vast majority of their congregations. Just as Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson don't speak for every White Christian, Wright does not speak for other than some Blacks.

Hate mongering is not the point, he also spoke of reconcilation and across the board support from other religion and clergy. I think white guilt has alot to do with the over reaction to Rev. Wright's statment alll of which I do notagree with nor the timing of his attempt to explain himself. No Rev. Wright is a deep thinker not wise but an interesting person that will have more to say in the future. For those that fear and loath the man, called Rev. Wright was not to hear what was said so get over it and lets talk about this war, the economy, health and the enviroment.
Let's consider how far we have come since the Dutch arrived on Manhattan and settle America, I know you thought is was the English at Plymouth Rock. That's just goes to show you he who wins, controls his-story and let me tell you black Americans have whole different take on the founding and history of Americas a story long oppressed and that's why some fear, object and misunderstand some remark made by Rev. Wtright. And only the freedom we hold dear allows us collectivly to speak our minds, whether you agree or don't and my friends is what is great about the USA.
Enough said let's move on.