As a wide-eyed Saddam Hussein fell through the trap door to meet his maker, the background noise in the video of the event clearly reveals the chant "Muqtada Sadr, Muqtada Sadr...."
Little note was made of this at the time, but, looking back, it may have been a highly significant and telling moment. It obviously signaled the end for one dictatorial leader, but possibly it also presaged the ascension of another.
It should be remembered that, despite his faults, Hussein was a secular leader who served as an effective buffer against the expansionist desires of Iran.
Muqtada Sadr, whose star is continuing to rise in Iraq's political arena, is, on the other hand, an anti-American Shiite cleric who may well, at some point, align himself with the Shiite nation of Iran.
When judging those in our government that engineered this regime change, we should not forget the foregoing facts, which may represent the single most damaging aspect of U.S. foreign policy under the Bush administration.
Sadr is increasingly being described in press reports as being one of the most powerful and revered leaders in the Shiite community, which accounts for 60% of Iraq's population.
On Friday, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates acknowledged that the U.S. recognizes Sadr's place in Iraqi politics. This prompted Sadr to lash back yesterday with the comment "I tell them, you will always be my enemies to the last drop of my blood."
Today, although Nouri Maliki is the president anointed by Washington, it is Sadr who more and more seems to be directing the course of events in Iraq. And it is Sadr who arguably has the best chance of emerging as the nation's ultimate leader after the United States finally relinquishes its grasp on the country.
Of course there will be bloodshed, and the U.S. policy of arming the Sunnis virtually guaranties that likelihood. However, many now believe that Sadr's Mahdi army of 60,000 to 100,000 strong will begin from its position of strength in Baghdad and eventually control most of central and southern Iraq.
Meanwhile the much heralded testimony in Washington by the administration's team of Petraeus and Crocker turned out to be the yawner most people expected. To no one's surprise, the general and the ambassador recommended the policy which the president just so happens to subscribe to, namely a halt in the reduction of the troop strength.
And the current stable of presidential candidates also took the occasion of the testimony to outline the policies which everyone knows they subscribe to.
It was of some interest, however, that Petraeus and Crocker made little mention of Al Qaeda in favor of a continuation of the Iran bashing we've been inundated with lately, a drumbeat that looks more and more like the propaganda campaign leading up to the invasion of Iraq.
And, speaking of Iran, an apparent bomb blast killed nine people and injured more than 100 in the southern city of Shiraz last night. According to an Iranian news agency, the victims were gathered in a Shiite house of worship to hear a religious speech about the dangers of Sunni extremists.
The attack was likely carried out by Sunni militants, and Iran will probably accuse the U.S., Israel and Britain of playing a role. In similar situations in the past, Iran has said it had intelligence to support its allegations of western involvement.
Back in Iraq, it has been a dangerous April for American troops. Last week, the Department of Defense released the obituaries of 18 military personnel killed in that country, ranging in age from 19 to 54. This is the highest weekly number in nearly seven months.
Illustrating the fact that there is no safe haven in Baghdad, two of the casualties were a major and a colonel who were killed by a rocket while working out in the U.S. embassy's fitness center in the highly fortified Green Zone.
Eight of the fallen heroes (44%) were felled by roadside bombs, none of whom were riding in the new, blast-resistant vehicles known as M-RAPS.
According to the web site www.icasualties.org, U.S. deaths in Iraq now stand at 4,033.
Incidentally, www.icasualties.org, a non-profit site, and the ultimate source for casualty data in the war, is now in the process of recovering from what it describes as a vicious cyber-attack that decimated its content.
There were no American casualties in Afghanistan this week. However, the L.A. Times reported today that the fighting there is likely to heat up. With the improved weather conditions, Taliban fighters are streaming back into southern Afghanistan from their winter quarters in Pakistan, according to the Times, and 2,300 U.S. Marines have recently arrived in support of the NATO forces in the Kandahar area.
Total U.S. deaths in Afghanistan were 424 as of April 5, according to the Pentagon.
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His troops didn't do too well down in Basra in the past couple of weeks either.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080413/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
As to the performance of the Mahdi army, that's definitely a matter that is in dispute, Bret....Despite being opposed by the Iraqi army, another Shiite faction, and - eventually - the U.S. forces that had to be called in, the objective of crushing the Mahdi army down there, even far from their base in Baghdad, was an utter failure.
Of course, you won't hear that on Fox News....
Don't be alarmist, Dave. ;-)
Sorry, I don't get Fox in my building. I get most of my TV news from CNN..........even with their Leftward spin, they even reported how badly the Mahdi militia got their butts kicked. The entire operation was backed up by the US military to ensure the victory. al-Sadr is not in good shape these days - that's why he's fresh meat.
That's a different story than I heard. Why did 1000 + Iraqi troops lay down their weapons and refuse to fight fellow Iraqi's.
Don't write him off, just because the U.S. propaganda machine is attempting to chew him up.
Those who believe that al-Sadar wil go down without a fight should get a job with the Washing Neo-cons
His troops didn't do too well down in Basra in the past couple of weeks either.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080413/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq"
Looks to me like that article proves just the opposite from your position, Bratboy. Govt troops had mass defections and mass desertions. Got their butt handed to them by the mahdi army, even with American military support. No wonder the ineffective Malaki govt is trying to pass laws to limit their power. That may or may not prove effective, I'm guessing not, with his popularity.
"The failure of government forces to capture Basra despite superiority in numbers and firepower was an embarrassment to al-Maliki, who ordered the offensive and personally supervised it during the first week.
It also raised questions whether Iraq's mostly Shiite army and police can confront Shiite militias, including Iranian-backed "special groups," which the U.S. command now considers the greatest threat to Iraqi democracy with the diminishing influence of al-Qaida in Iraq.
The Basra offensive — which opened on March 25 — quickly stalled amid strong resistance from the outnumbered militiamen, despite artillery and air support provided by U.S. and British forces.
During the attack more than 1,000 security troops — including a full infantry battalion — refused to fight or joined the militias, handing them weapons and vehicles."
If that's what you consider getting their butts kicked, holding out against better armed, much better manned forces, with the backing of the US Military, and stopping them cold is a butt kicking, I'm glad we aren't kicking their butts more often, moron.
I pray...mo-zy
"That's a different story than I heard. Why did 1000 + Iraqi troops lay down their weapons and refuse to fight fellow Iraqi's."
Because they were Shi'a with ties to the Mahdi militia. That's why 1300 of them were dismissed from duty this week. The Iraqi government is taking action against these deserters, because now they CAN.
Yea, that's why al-Sadr was begging for a truce, right? Because he was winning? LOL
It is interesting that some think al-Sadr has lost in this latest conflict -- he has a habit of managing his conflicts in cat-and-mouse style. The defections from the Iraqi army recently in Basra (and environs) convince me that al-Sadr won more than we are hearing in the press. That he has received help from Iran lends some credence to the administration's claim of Irani involvement (now that is scary).
While not predicting that he will win, al-Sadr merits careful attention. He currently leads the most committed armed force of Iraqis in that country ... and is likely to win some prize.
We Americans are very used to lumping folks together based on labels, and I believe our current tendency to see all Shea as members of some sort of alliance, stems from our Administrations constant insinuation that we are dealing with religious fanatics. This brings numerous prejudices and outright bigotries into play, which leads to much divisivness among those who denounce the "war" and/or the way it has been conducted. We are being "played" for fools.
I don't understand where people are coming up with this idea that the Mahdi army had its butt kicked. I listened to BBC radio, and US military talked guardedly about what were obviously desertions by the "Iraqi army", though nobody used the word desertion. Iraqi commanders left their posts, and large numbers of soldiers did. Also, referring to one of the Iraqi military units that did fight, an American Army spokesman made a point of singling out these troops as among the most experienced in the country, and they made no headway against the Mahdi: it was a complete standstill until al-Sadr simply told his men to stop fighting. If I remember correctly, I didn't hear any evidence that al-Sadr's troops were in trouble from the reporters and military spokesmen on the scene who spoke via the BBC.
Wrong Dave, it was Iraq that invaded Iran, not the other way around. Iran has never shown any expansionist desires at all.
" That he has received help from Iran lends some credence to the administration's claim of Irani involvement (now that is scary)."
Debra, that sounds like a Bushism to me. I doubt Iran helped him at all.
When will the coalition troops leave Iraq? Whenever al-Sadr decides that they should.
The news from Iran is that that blast in the mosque was caused from handling explosives already there from demonstrations of a previous meeting/sermon? Mosques are often used to store explosives/weapons because they won't be searched.
Now that Baghdad has been divided into walled-off districts , and the Shiite population has increased to nearly 75% through the expulsion of many Sunnis, and the hostility of the Sunni and Shiite factions has not been resolved by the government, the danger of renewed civil conflict is real.
Iraq that was has been destroyed. Marriages during Saddam's time were upwards of 90% Sunni-Shiite, but now the government is paying a reward for such marriages, and only 5% intermarry . Similarly many of the tribes had intermarried for many generations. Saddam ruled by dealng with all the tribes. The American deck of cards, the members of the regime they most wanted to capture had 36 Shiites in it out of the 55. The two vice-presidents were a Christian and a Shiite Kurd.
We'll only win in Iraq if we can keep you evil Liberal genies bottled up long enough to win. If you happen to get out, you'll just scream for surrender as quickly as possible. Thankfully, we've got that cork on for the duration.
You also have to remember that the only job Moqtada al-Sadr ever held was as his father's (well respected cleric in his day) doorman. He's a lackey, and not a very good military leader. But he is good at hiding in Iran, isn't he?
Where was he during this latest Basra fighting? Nowhere to be seen. The guy's a coward and his days are numbered.
So we're here trying to stablize a crumbuling shaft while looking for fools gold and the maddness of oil justifies all effort, not to mention the threat of a nuclear seed that may have fertile soil to bear a posion fruit.
Bret and David we're in a pickle alright, George Bush's spilled milk is a f*%king mess and the clean-up is on the head of consevatives right-wing corporations whores who thought this would be cheap and easy.
Yeah, I keep reading that the Iraqi Army will stand up and we will stand down, and 5 years later it is still not a reality.
"More than 1,000 security troops — including a full infantry battalion — refused to fight or joined the militias, handing them weapons and vehicles. Those troops were later dismissed from their jobs, along with about 300 police officers in the southern city of Kut.
That decision drew an angry response from al-Sadr, who demanded Monday that the security forces be reinstated."
Anything that pisses off al-Sadr is usually a good thing for us. If he's angry, we know something good just happened.
I was very satisfied to see the al-Maliki government stand up to al-Sadr. It may not have been the overwhelming victory they wanted, but at least the tide has turned a little. Before The Surge, the al-Maliki government would never have tried such a stunt. Now, the Mahdi militia has been weakened. I think they'll diminish in the future, and so will al-Sadr as al-Maliki's government gets stronger and bolder.
These sociopaths...
Poor Dubya, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, etc, etc, etc. I knew the international community would take action...eventually.
It is a dangerous strategy for both Prime Minister Nouri Maliki and the U.S. Sadr remains one of the most powerful and revered leaders of the Shiite community -- and the Shiites make up 60% of Iraq. What's more, the 34-year-old Sadr is not exactly the mercurial "firebrand" or "renegade" cleric portrayed by journalistic cliche-mongers; rather, he has repeatedly shown himself to be a cautious and experienced political operator.
Ever since he unexpectedly emerged as a central figure in Iraqi politics in the days after the overthrow of the old regime in 2003, Sadr's many enemies have invariably underestimated him and the commitment of his followers. When the U.S. viceroy in Iraq, L. Paul Bremer III, moved against Sadr in April 2004, he was astonished when the Sadrists took over much of southern Iraq in response. Maliki had a similar experience in March: He demanded that the Mahdi Army militiamen hand over their weapons within three days -- only to see pictures on TV of disaffected troops and police surrendering their guns to the militia instead."
Apri1 14, 2008
Muqtada and the Mahdi Army
A Cleric, a Pol and a Warrior
By PATRICK COCKBURN
more at: http://www.counterpunch.org/patrick04142008.html
Wathever government that exist in Iraq will have to drive this babay foreward, we can afford or handhold them any further who ever is in the Whitehouse this November.
Yes 10 to 20 years bases engage for OIL and to subvert Iran nuclear weapons ability as well as Pakastan unstable platform of a government. Or until we can buy off everybody from the bonds sold to China, and we better not piss them off they got us by the balls. Thank you Nixon and G.W. better show up for the opening of the olympics, if not the Chinese may well sale their U.S. bonds.
Couldn't one just as easily say:
It should be remembered that, despite his faults, HITLER was a secular leader who served as an effective buffer against the expansionist desires of USSR.
*chuckle*
As usual, Demagogue David leaves out salient facts that twist the tidbit of truth he started with, until it is unrecognizeable from the vantage point of reality. Demagogue David gives "Mookie" al Sadr far too much weight, and COMPLETELY neglects to mention al Sadr source of legitimacy, power, and authority.
The Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani is the most revered cleric in Iraq, and not just in Iraq, but worldwide. Unlike al Sadr who can only wield power through the barrel of a gun, al Sistani has achieved REAL POLITICAL GAINS for his people, and stood up to the USA without guns, and still gets what he wants. Here is a nice rundown of al Sistani's accomplishments:
In June 2003, he issued a fatwa, or religious ruling, stating that the framers of Iraq's constitution had to be elected, not appointed, by U.S. officials and members of the now-defunct Iraqi Governing Council.
In November 2003, he issued a statement saying that elections—not a system of regional caucuses envisioned by the U.S.-led coalition authorities—would be the proper way to select a transitional government. He also demanded U.N. involvement in overseeing the election process.
In another difference with U.S. plans, Sistani called for a transitional assembly to ratify an interim constitution drafted by the Iraqi Governing Council and to define the terms under which U.S. and allied troops would remain in Iraq after sovereignty was handed over June 28.
All of Sistani's views have been accommodated.
The simple truth is, al Sistani's philosophy about government is conducive to elections, and civil liberties within the framework of Sharia law. While some might argue Sharia law itself prevents "freedom," this is probably a western construct only, and does not apply.
He favors an Islamic state, but not a theocracy as in neighboring Iran. Sistani has said that no law in Iraq should conflict with Islamic principles, and he wants Islam to be recognized in law as the religion of the majority of Iraqis.
However, he has not promoted an official role for Islamic clerics in Iraq's new government. Sistani supports an Islamic state that is compatible with elections, freedom of religion, and other civil liberties. And although Sistani does not favor violent confrontation with the United States, he has defied U.S. authorities when their plans conflicted with his views.
To be sure, "Mookie" is probably on a leash and doesn't make a move without al Sistani's approval. But if this is true, the only logical conclusion seems to be he is using Mookie for political advantage only, and in the end, Mookie will be told to lay down his guns, it's time to do business.
Sure al Sistani is old, almost read to give up the ghost. Nothing says Mookie will be his choice to run things after he's gone.
Enormous Oil Field Located In Brazil
Irish Sun
Tuesday 15th April, 2008
The third biggest field in the world may have been discovered in Brazil with immense reserves calculated at 33 billion barrels of oil.
The offshore oil field has been located off the southwest coast near another field called Tupi.
Petrobras, Brazil's state-run oil company, has declined to comment, but oil analysts say it is the biggest discovery in the last 30 years.
The Tupi find has already been hailed as having the potential to propel Brazil into the same league as OPEC nations.
http://story.irishsun.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/3a8a80d6f705f8cc/id/348719/cs/1/
Ahoy, matey, prepare to man the sails! Arrrrr!
Go figure, Brazil kicks ass with ethanol made from sugar, and starts exporting it like mad--- now they find oil. what lucky bastards *chuckle*
Dave A---- too bad Demagogue David seems oblivious to al Sistani's existence *chortle*
Iraq Qualifies 35 Companies For Oil Deals --ExxonMobil, Shell, BP, Conoco Phillips, Chevron all qualified 14 Apr 2008 Iraq's Oil Ministry has approved 35 companies it will allow to bid for soon-to-be announced tenders to develop oil and gas fields. The largest oil companies in the world -- ExxonMobil, Shell, BP, Conoco Phillips, Chevron -- all qualified, as did firms of a variety of sizes and nationalities.
http://www.upi.com/International_Security/Energy/Briefing/2008/
04/14/iraq_qualifies_35_companies_for_oil_deals/6174/
Life is good. Bossa Nova...anyone?
Then again, maybe only if Sadr has an "accident", we put up with riots for a week or so, and then get back to the basics, LOL.
Thanks.
All religious leaders involved in politics scare me, including the born again one in the White House.
Lovely idea--- make a martyr out of him.
"If we ousted one dictator just so another one could take his place then why are we still there?
I think that we should withdraw our troops and just let them get what they ask for. " Wayne B
I think Wayne still might be under the impression that we went to Bagdad to free them and bring them democracy. We went there to try to set up a "Corporate US friendly regime. If for one second you think that the election in Iraq were not fixed you are a fool. We cant get an honest election in the US.
"Do you really want to call for the demise of perhaps the only Shiite figure who is not inextricably linked to Iran? On the other hand, can Westerners find any affection for a militant fundamentalist whose followers (whether at his direct order or not) have killed Americans and Brits?
The US cannot manufacture a political solution to the conflicts in Iraq either at the point of a gun, or by "selective diplomacy," to coin a euphemism for Cheney-Bush policy to date." Dave A
We are the intruders, the occupiers. We are not looking to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people. We are just looking to put up a puppet Gov that will adhere to the will of the US and their corporate interests. The fact that it goes against the interests of the Iraqi people is irrelevant to us.
"Despite all the far-left whining, we managed to get Saddam strung-up; this sociopath will face the gallows soon, too. Now that we have a foothold in that godforsaken, yet undeniably vital, region of the World, dictators will see their followers crumble under the boot of democracy." John P
Straight up, John—You are a moron! Under the boot of democracy, eh? I thought that democracy was supposed to be about representing the people. Our oppression and murderous ways in Iraq have led people to him. Seems to me the sociopaths are w and his cronies, especially Cheney. They are not even interested in the toll their actions have had and apparently what the people of this country think. Democracy is a word they throw around. Their actions speak dictatorship.
"I get most of my TV news from CNN..........even with their Leftward spin, "Bret
And lastly for bret, et al who keep insisting that we even have one news source in the MSM that is even remotely "left-leaning"
Who owns CNN? or MSNBC? ABC?
by systemfailure Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 1:43 AM
So ya think we have a "free press" eh? Check out who owns who, and who owns what you think.......
GENERAL ELECTRIC --(donated 1.1 million to GW Bush for his 2000 election campaign)
Television Holdings:
* NBC: includes 13 stations, 28% of US households.
* NBC Network News: The Today Show, Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, Meet the Press, Dateline NBC, NBC News at Sunrise.
* CNBC business television; MSNBC 24-hour cable and Internet news service (co-owned by NBC and Microsoft); Court TV (co-owned with Time Warner), Bravo (50%), A&E (25%), History Channel (25%).
The "MS" in MSNBC
means microsoft
The same Microsoft that donated 2.4 million to get GW bush elected.
Other Holdings:
* GE Consumer Electronics.
* GE Power Systems: produces turbines for nuclear reactors and power plants.
* GE Plastics: produces military hardware and nuclear power equipment.
* GE Transportation Systems: runs diesel and electric trains.
==================================================
WESTINGHOUSE / CBS INC.
Westinghouse Electric Company, part of the Nuclear Utilities Business Group of British Nuclear Fuels (BNFL)
whos #1 on the Board of Directors? None other than:
Frank Carlucci (of the Carlyle Group)
Television Holdings:
* CBS: includes 14 stations and over 200 affiliates in the US.
* CBS Network News: 60 minutes, 48 hours, CBS Evening News with Dan Rather, CBS Morning News, Up to the Minute.
* Country Music Television, The Nashville Network, 2 regional sports networks.
* Group W Satellite Communications.
Other Holdings:
* Westinghouse Electric Company: provides services to the nuclear power industry.
* Westinghouse Government Environmental Services Company: disposes of nuclear and hazardous wastes. Also operates 4 government-owned nuclear power plants in the US.
* Energy Systems: provides nuclear power plant design and maintenance.
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VIACOM INTERNATIONAL INC.
Television Holdings:
* Paramount Television, Spelling Television, MTV, VH-1, Showtime, The Movie Channel, UPN (joint owner), Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, Sundance Channel (joint owner), Flix.
* 20 major market US stations.
Media Holdings:
* Paramount Pictures, Paramount Home Video, Blockbuster Video, Famous Players Theatres, Paramount Parks.
* Simon & Schuster Publishing.
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DISNEY / ABC / CAP (donated 640 thousand to GW's 2000 campaign)
Television Holdings:
* ABC: includes 10 stations, 24% of US households.
* ABC Network News: Prime Time Live, Nightline, 20/20, Good Morning America.
* ESPN, Lifetime Television (50%), as well as minority holdings in A&E, History Channel and E!
* Disney Channel/Disney Television, Touchtone Television.
Media Holdings:
* Miramax, Touchtone Pictures.
* Magazines: Jane, Los Angeles Magazine, W, Discover.
* 3 music labels, 11 major local newspapers.
* Hyperion book publishers.
* Infoseek Internet search engine (43%).
Other Holdings:
* Sid R. Bass (major shares) crude oil and gas.
* All Disney Theme Parks, Walt Disney Cruise Lines.
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TIME-WARNER TBS - AOL (donated 1.6 million to GW's 2000 campaign)
America Online (AOL) acquired Time Warner–the largest merger in corporate history.
Television Holdings:
* CNN, HBO, Cinemax, TBS Superstation, Turner Network Television, Turner Classic Movies, Warner Brothers Television, Cartoon Network, Sega Channel, TNT, Comedy Central (50%), E! (49%), Court TV (50%).
* Largest owner of cable systems in the US with an estimated 13 million subscribers.
Media Holdings:
* HBO Independent Productions, Warner Home Video, New Line Cinema, Castle Rock, Looney Tunes, Hanna-Barbera.
* Music: Atlantic, Elektra, Rhino, Sire, Warner Bros. Records, EMI, WEA, Sub Pop (distribution) = the world's largest music company.
* 33 magazines including Time, Sports Illustrated, People, In Style, Fortune, Book of the Month Club, Entertainment Weekly, Life, DC Comics (50%), and MAD Magazine.
Other Holdings:
* Sports: The Atlanta Braves, The Atlanta Hawks, World Championship Wrestling.
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NEWS CORPORATION LTD. / FOX NETWORKS (Rupert Murdoch) (donations see bottom note)
Television Holdings:
* Fox Television: includes 22 stations, 50% of US households.
* Fox International: extensive worldwide cable and satellite networks include British Sky Broadcasting (40%); VOX, Germany (49.9%); Canal Fox, Latin America; FOXTEL, Australia (50%); STAR TV, Asia; IskyB, India; Bahasa Programming Ltd., Indonesia (50%); and News Broadcasting, Japan (80%).
* The Golf Channel (33%).
MEDIA HOLDINGS:
* Twentieth Century Fox, Fox Searchlight.
* 132 newspapers (113 in Australia alone) including the New York Post, the London Times and The Australian.
* 25 magazines including TV Guide and The Weekly Standard.
* HarperCollins books.
OTHER HOLDINGS:
* Sports: LA Dodgers, LA Kings, LA Lakers, National Rugby League.
* Ansett Australia airlines, Ansett New Zealand airlines.
* Rupert Murdoch: Board of Directors, Philip Morris (USA).
*(Phillip Morris donated 2.9 million to George W Bush in 2000)*
While the US is busy killing civilians and getting immunity for Blackwater, Sadr is the one adressing the needs of the people.
Here is the clip for Democracy Now the morning.
Report: Sadr Movement Largest Humanitarian Organization in Iraq
A new report from Refugees International says the Iraqi government has failed to respond to the needs of an estimated 2.7 million internal refugees and in turn militia groups have moved in to fill the void. Refugees International says the largest humanitarian organization in Iraq is now the Sadr movement affiliated with Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, a fierce critic of the US occupation. Sadr has set up a program modeled on Hezbollah's work in Lebanon to offer shelter, food and non-food items to hundreds of thousands of Shiites in Iraq.
Dave A., your knowledge about the inner workings of the ME is most helpful also.
It is this kind of IDIOTIC statement from an emotional wench that continues to animate the moronic zealots of the fringe left.
She makes two BLATANTLY FALSE lies, and doesn't even attempt to "prove" either one. The dumb broad just states it as if "fact" -- and the "fact" is beyond question.
FOOL ????? who's the fool, someone that rejects a non proven lie, or the SIMPLETON that repeats the lie without even bothering to offer any evidence of veracity ?????
I think this particular stella, must be the specific stella, the generic usage of "stella" came into being, for, and about-- is that your stella over there, talkin' to another man??? *ROFL*
We went there to try to set up a "Corporate US friendly regime. If for one second you think that the election in Iraq were not fixed you are a fool.
Proof ???? puhleeze.... the only proof these intellectual midgets needs is to say "why, it's just common sense." *ROFL*
idiots.....
flat out lie *chuckle* she certainly can't prove the law was broken, so the dumb broad just makes shit up....