If you believe everyone has a right for their vote to count...

It's such a tough situation. I feel for the voters, I really do, but the legislators decided to violate the stated rules. :(

I agree with Sherry. This is a democratic party issue not a legal right to vote issue. The party sets the rules and they can determine any way they want who is the nominee to represent the party. Rules were made, rules were violated, and contenders signed a pledge to ignore the delegates of states that didn't follow the part rules. If you don't like the rules join a different party.

i agree to i wish we really had a voice in this

It is shame what happened in Florida. Republican legislators knew exactly what they were doing when they voted for the change of date.

Michigan is a case where the Democrats in charge thought they could thwart the rules and get away with it.

I think that in the interest of the voter - a do over is the most responsible way to go. It doesn't look like it will go that way, however.

"""It is shame what happened in Florida. Republican legislators knew exactly what they were doing when they voted for the change of date. """"

Joe do you actually believe that new spin? The new Clinton spin? here is a flashback from sept 24 2007......


"""""Florida Democratic Party officials announced Sunday that they're sticking with Jan. 29 as the official primary date, even though the national party has ruled that the move will strip them of their delegates and the top candidates have pledged not to campaign there. Karen L. Thurman, the state party's chairwoman, sent an email to Florida Democrats explaining the decision:

There will be no other primary. Florida Democrats absolutely must vote on January 29th. We make this election matter. Not the D.N.C., not the delegates, not the candidates, but Florida Democrats like you and me voting together. We make it count.

Don't let anybody call this vote a "beauty contest" or a "straw poll." On January 29, 2008, there will be a fair and open election in Florida, which will provide for maximum voter participation. The nation will be paying attention, and Florida Democrats will have a major impact in determining who the next President of the United States of America will be.

In efforts to increase turnout, she also reminded party members that other measures, like constitutional amendment referendums and municipal elections, would still be on the ballot. """""
This was new york times.......

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/24/2008-florida-democrats-stick-to-primary-date/

"It is shame what happened in Florida. Republican legislators knew exactly what they were doing when they voted for the change of date."

Every single Florida Democrat VOTED YES to change the date with the Republicans. Just thought you might want to know the facts.

the facts are available for anyone who wishes to find them. I am saddened by Clinton's sudden desire to change the agreement she made with the other candidates to abide by the rulings of the DNC about both the Florida and Michigan primaries.

I find it quite amusing that the same party that accused Bush of "stealing" the 2000 election by denying the vote to those poor Floridians, are now disenfranchising two states! Way to go dems, good luck winning those states in November! I think Mrs. McCain can start measuring for drapes. This dem crew is looking like a pathetic circular firing squad.

Operation Kayos pits Hillary-Rambo-Clinton-vs. Barack-can't we all get along- Obama.
In the end it will all come down to is-Barack's ability to dodge the Clinton "Sniper Fire" headed his way.Obama watch your back!!! Seven letter word for TOAST??
HILLARY.

The republicans cut the delegates in MI too! They are not whining.

The democrats will come up with an algorithm and use the results. Those states already voted. The delegates will be seated. What is the seating anyway? It's merely symbolic. They will be seated according to a formula that will marginally penalize those who follow the rule (i.e. a 50-50 split in MI and giving Hillary half of the margin she won in FL). Last I heard the Clinton campaign is OK with this.

REVOTE = Crazy talk. Not gonna happen. Have been saying for months.

The body count that the mainstream media has regurgitated out of Florida and Michigan is that 2.3 million Democrats voted in primaries that broke the rules, leaving the DNC with no choice but to level both villages, even if the collateral damage might include the party's prospects of carrying those disenfranchised states in November. The DNC and the MSM appear to have simultaneously concluded that even Clinton's 300,000-vote win in Florida, where both candidates competed on a level playing field, shouldn't be counted in the popular vote tally, a calculation that appears nowhere in DNC rules and turns 1.7 million Democratic voters into ghosts.

The irony is that the drumbeat for Clinton's withdrawal -- coming on the heels of her recent wins and right before what may be her biggest in Pennsylvania -- is rooted in the collapse of the effort to redo Michigan and Florida. The theory is that she should quit because there is no way she can win, and that there is no way she can win because two states she could win, at least one of which she actually did win, will not be counted until she gets out. Barack Obama would thus become the nominee -- not because of an honestly earned if precariously narrow lead in the final national vote, but because of two elections he would not let happen.

If that sounds like a curious way to end a nominating contest that 30 million to 33 million voters will participate in before it's done, even stranger is that the DNC is following only some of its rules -- and that the real culprits who caused this debacle are Republicans, who are now relishing the catfight they provoked.

The presumption of much of the national coverage about Michigan, to start with, has been that the Dems did this one to themselves -- a presumption based, in large part, on Democratic governor Jennifer Granholm's endorsement of a January 15 vote, a date far ahead of the anticipated February 9 primary. All Clinton-backer Granholm did, however, was a sign a bill. The bill originated in a Republican-controlled Senate and passed by a 21-to-17 straight party-line vote -- with every Democrat casting a NO vote.
Both excerpts taken from an article by Wayne Barrett,writer and editor-The Village Voice

Why didn't she veto a bill that all members of her party voted against? I don't get it. Blame her! Oust her.