Today, we listened to a presentation on different religious views on birth control and abortion. Now this presentation only dealt with 4 faiths (and did not encompass non-religious views) so of course only a few interpretations were presented. Thus, what are your views on birth control and on abortion and where do your views come from?
I would like to have a discussion. Please do share your views and don't censor yourselves. Also, please be respectful so as to not censor others. We gain more from being exposed to views that we do not share than by simply having our views reaffirmed. Join us with an open mind and learn about other people's perceptions and why they are the way they are.


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The beginning of life and the ending of life are the God-given boundaries of human existence. While individuals have always had some degree of control over when they would die, they now have the awesome power to determine when and even whether new individuals will be born.
Our belief in the sanctity of unborn human life makes us reluctant to approve abortion. But we are equally bound to respect the sacredness of the life and well-being of the mother, for whom devastating damage may result from an unacceptable pregnancy. In continuity with past Christian teaching, we recognize tragic conflicts of life with life that may justify abortion, and in such cases we support the legal option of abortion under proper medical procedures. We cannot affirm abortion as an acceptable means of birth control, and we unconditionally reject it as a means of gender selection.
We oppose the use of late-term abortion known as dilation and extraction (partial-birth abortion) and call for the end of this practice except when the physical life of the mother is in danger and no other medical procedure is available, or in the case of severe fetal anomalies incompatible with life. We call all Christians to a searching and prayerful inquiry into the sorts of conditions that may warrant abortion. We commit our Church to continue to provide nurturing ministries to those who terminate a pregnancy, to those in the midst of a crisis pregnancy, and to those who give birth. We particularly encourage the Church, the government, and social service agencies to support and facilitate the option of adoption. (See ¶ 161.K.)
Governmental laws and regulations do not provide all the guidance required by the informed Christian conscience. Therefore, a decision concerning abortion should be made only after thoughtful and prayerful consideration by the parties involved, with medical, pastoral, and other appropriate counsel.
From The Book of Discipline of The United Methodist Church - 2004.
I do believe in rare cases of abortion. Otherwise I am against abortions.
I do think if an abortion is going to happen, it has to happen before the fetus is forming. When it is still in the egg stage. Sorry but i don't believ in killing life. Just creating it.
So. I do believe in both abortion and birth control.
I not into adoption, only due to fact that if my kid is out there, I couldnt handle the thought of seeing him/her out there and not knowing,, yet I am adult, so I can say that,, I had protective sex whne as a teenager, knowing I am too young to handle kids. I di everything as my choice, no one elses..
thank for letting me express
I know the pain of miscarriage...a life is lost and cannot be replaced by another.
I met a lady whose daughter was raped and they both decided to keep it because they didn't believe in abortion...and they didn't want to give a part of themselves away. the new mother was only 12...I saw them with the baby...it was well loved by mom and grandmom.
then someone is my family had the same exp....kept the little girl...who was conceived in rape...beautiful baby. sweet life.
those are my beliefs. blessings follow life. make the birth control choice before the act, not after
The basic argument is that sex is sinful when it is self centered and selfish but it is practically holy when it is an act of pure giving and pure openness. Birth control in effect puts a separation between the open possibility of procreation and the pleasurable nature of the act in essence focusing the act back on the self and not on the partner. In addition (it is often argued) that the lack of openness before conception could easily lead to a lack of openness after conception and thus could encourage an abortion mentality.
As I said, it's somewhat harder to explain. You can throw in a lot of counter examples and while chastity might prescribe abstinence in those cases it is a discipline few can manage. (One way or another we are all sinners; deal with it and put down the stone.) Likewise there are many valid cases of the principle of double effect where birth control is needed for other medical conditions.
Abortion, on the other hand, is an offense against human life. Abortion, unfortunately, happens; embryos fail to implant, and natural abortions do occur. One can use them as a convenient excuse or as in case of all tragic deaths, mourn the loss and seek a way so that one day in the future this can be prevented.
The biggest oddity is the notion of abortion when rape is considered. I call it an oddity because, on the one hand, a person is found guilty based on the actions of their parents. (I thought the days of the "bastard" were long gone.) On the other hand rape is a crime of violence against a woman. Is the solution to a crime of violence another act of violence? There needs to be a better way to address the issue of rape.
Clearly in the case of the life of the woman (when there is no alternative that can save both) abortion is a necessary lesser evil and a true case of double effect. Once again we mourn the loss and seek a way so that these situations never happen. Just as we have eliminated (for the most part) the death of women in childbirth we need to make sure that every viable pre-born and their mother can both live.
Everything else should be varying shades of gray. I think the state does have some responsibility towards every viable pre-born just as they have some responsibility for every viable post-born. What responsibility for pre-viable pre-born is subject to debate. While we should encourage all to support life at all stages, necessity dictates that in the decision between the rights of the pre-born and the rights of the woman, that there is a intersecting scale that is involved and that neither have absolute rights.
Abortion as a form of birth control? Never even occurred to me and I am against it.
Abortion is again a choice, but for me it is a last resort choice, for situations where the woman's life is in danger, for survivors of incest and rape-it should always be a choice.
People don't realize what an impact carrying a child can have, even for a short time, on a woman.
I do not believe in abortion, and I support the Life Services group in my city. They provide help both financially, physically and emotionally to women who face unexpected pregnancies. That is where I put my energy. I plan to begin volunteering with them as well.
As for abortion, I dont believe in it at all, unless there is medical need for one. I know alot of people who have given birth to a baby born from rape. Some have choose to raise them, love and care for them no different then any other child they might have/had. I have also seen some give them to loving families that could not have one. There is to much love out there in families that cant have there own.
Abortion to me personally is no different from someone walking up and killing a newborn baby. It is a living human from the second it is concieved. If Gods will was for that baby not to live, he would make it happen naturally. It should not be a choice.
Just my personally feelings on it. I hope noone takes it personally. I do not judge others on there feelings, choices, and/or beliefes. I hope that I get the same respect. I didnt take the time to read anyones comments, because we all have our rights to our feelings on things.
I think a man has every right to weigh in. The woman gives him that right when she allows him into her body. It's their child too.
Simple, it is none of the business of the government. NONE, NOT ANY, ZIP, ZERO, BOTH ARE PRIVATE ISSUES, NOT PUBLIC ISSUES.
As far as any form of birth control that happens before a baby is conceived I am for it. I think that is way more mature then abortion and killing a child.
Second, birth control for everyone that is not abstaining or being taught to abstain until marriage.
Third, I have personal experiences with both abortion and adoption and I believe in them both. I do not believe in abortion as a form of birth control and I do not agree with aborting the fetus late in conception either.
I guess Dan, my beliefs come from my experiences because it seems, in my life, any time I have said I would never do something, I have been throw into a situation to prove that statement. I have done what has felt right to me and I can live with that. If I can there should be no problem.
I think each person should have the right to choose for themselves and no one else. I do not believe anyone should be able to take that right away or force their beliefs onto another. This is America after all. At least it used to be.
When it comes to beliefs I have been asked if I want to be right or if I want to be happy. I choose happy! I think that might boil down to a bit of live and let live thinking!
Thanks everyone for sharing your views and insights and though I might not agree with them all, I can respect them. Thanks Dan for bringing up such a touchy topic. I am very happy to know that there can be a discussion about it without the negativity that can accompany such topics.
I have no issues with birth control by other means, but also think it shouldn't replace good judgement by young people trying to "fit in" so to say, peer pressure, etc.
Take care.
Since the objection to birth control use comes only from certain religious communities, to not allow people to use birth control would be unconstitutional.
Birth control helps prevent unwanted pregnancies and minimize overpopulation's expansionism.
Abortion has always been practiced by some. Making it illegal has never made it nonexistent, nor has it ever kept people from performing them.
Legalizing abortion means that the procedure can be had in a medically safe fashion; whereas having illegal procedures proved a track record of being too often medically hazardous.
Abortion needs to be kept legal so that the procedure can be kept safe.
So stop breeding (yeah right - people get horny) and become vegetarians (yay) and help slow down the environmental problem that such overpopulation is causing.
That's my "big picture" view of it.
The pro-choice movement in the U.S. works to promote contraceptives, which means there are less women with the abortion dilemma. On the other hand, the pro-life movement tends to fight against birth control. I've done my research, and out of all of the pro-life organizations, I only found one in this country that does not specifically say something against contraceptives, but that one organization also does not promote it.
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I personally would not have an abortion but I am a firm believer in the right of others to choose what they feel is right for them.
Regarding birth control. There should be better availability and more comprehensive education of our young people (males and females). It should be the goal to prevent pregnancy in the first place. While abstinence has its place, it isn't appropriate for everyone. So, birth control pills should be discussed as well as condoms. Everyone should be educated. Education creates better decision making.
I do know that my wife had two spontaneous abortions, (miscarriages), and that the second one, about 4 1/2 months into the pregnancy, was very traumatic for her. The first one, was probably about three weeks in, and we didn't know she was pregnant. That's a lot easier than one you've been planning for.
I feel that the law should not be involved in the decision in any matter. This should be a private matter between a woman, her physician, the father of the fetus, and her clergyman if she so chooses. This is actually the ruling in the Roe vs Wade case. Not a matter of abortion on the part of a woman but the restriction of the invasiveness of her doctor's office.
While I consider it totally wrong to have an abortion for any purpose other than the life or health of the mother, rape, or incest, I believe also, that for me to involve myself, as a member of society, in this very personal matter is equally wrong. Somewhere along the way, if one believes in God, it is time to butt out and leave it in the capable hands of God! Those who try to enforce their religious beliefs upon others are usurping the prerogatives of God!
One should keep in mind that, according to the Bible, even God did not cause a woman to carry a fetus without her express consent. When Mary conceived Jesus, God got her agreement before hand.
My opinions on this matter are not based on religion. My religion is totally against abortion for any purpose at any time. If a mothers life is in danger, it is to be left in the hands of God, and if both mother and child die as a result, then that was the will of God. I cannot accept that. In no way do I equate a month old fetus to a born, breathing and living baby!
Billy Jean King lost totally, my respect, when she chose to abort her baby because it would interfere with her career! But I didn't and don't have the right to make her moral decisions for her.
As far as birth control goes, I believe it is essential to the survival of the human race, that we limit the overpopulation of our planet and birth control beats abortion any day. However, birth control doesn't always work. We had five children and two miscarried pregnancies and with the exception of the first, each was achieved with a different form of birth control. There are many unwanted pregnancies out there but here should be no unwanted babies. Someone wants them all!
I notice Peter Swanson believes as I do that our overpopulation must be controlled. Many persons who are all gung ho about saving the planet, fail totally, to recognize the role of overpopulation in all aspects of environmental problems. This must be addressed!
Second, with the proliferation of religious vs. secular education(i.e., only type of birth control that is taught in many schools is abstinence if federal funds are used) has caused more problems rather than less. An under-educated populace is easier to control...of course that's what the theocrats and neocons want--if we're stupid, we don't ask as many questions.
Third, abortions are RARELY used as "birth control"...its used more often when birth control has failed. This is one of the lies that is told.
Fourth--not only do I believe in access to birth control, up to and including abortion, I have experience in having an abortion--I was 35, not 18, birth control failed. I've never felt horrible about my actions, no depression or any of the other lies that are told IF a woman knows her own mind and has counseling(if needed) available to her. I have also been an escort, lay-counselor(and haven't tried to talk someone into an abortion, just presented the facts), and a proud supporter of Planned Parenthood.
Some things are un-lawful. Some things are sinful. Some things are both.
I'm glad I was born, how about you?
However, I think that counseling with physicians involved, psychologists, spiritual advisers, and any respected family members or friends the patient chooses...regarding the side effects of either technology (be they ethical, moral, biochemical, brain chemical, emotional, psychological) is crucial for the patient's long term health.
it is a woman's right to choose abortion. it is not an easy decision and should be left to each individual. who are we to say what is right for someone else. and some speak of adoption, but how many unwanted children do we have now in limbo, in and out of foster care and bad situations?
Interesting, Dan. Who is "we" and where was this presentation held? At a church? In a school? I'm curious.
I think Ness stated my opinion perfectly. The only valid motivation to get pregnant is to have a baby that is wanted and that you are willing and able to care for. Until then, if you are going to engage in intercourse, then you and your partner should both use contraception. I also know that there are cases where women get pregnant and they know that it is best to terminate the pregnancy for themselves and for the future child.....and those women should have the right to do this.
pro choice
It's as simple as that for me. These choices are personal and no one else's business but mine.
You shouldn't be doing it if you have dont want kids or not willing to be open for such consequences. plain and simple.
also i think you should wait to be married before you do such a deed,its supposed to be between two people who love each other,not just some sport to do.
you asked for my opinion and not to hold back. so thats how i feel
I don't believe in abortion for silly reason like figure control, but i do believe in it if lives are in danger or the child has no chance of a decent life. I don't mean minor disabilities, I live with them myself.
I have nothing against birth control. It's needed in this overpopulated world.
I have a 24 year old son and after he was born I had a vasectamy; not because I didn't want more children but because my wife developed a very bad form of post partum depression and it took six years for her to be able to deal with being a mother. I didn't believe in divorce so I took care of our son with no questions asked to God or any one. It was dificult; would never even think of an abrotion, especially since we made the decision for her to become pregnant. I knew that I would never have anymore children with her so I felt that it would be better to just have permanent birth control; though we are divorced now, I didn't have any thought of divorcing her at that time. I know that a lot of woman probably wouldn't even accept or entertain my beliefs in this matter because I will know, myself, what it is like to be pregnanat and not want to be.
If any of you are in that situation - I will pray that you find the strength to make the right decision - what ever that is. Take care all.
I used to belive that an abortiion was okay, as a lot of people, in the case of a rape or if life of mother in danger, but, when I found out how abortions are performed, I decided that I can only except this if the mother's life is in danger and if the fetus will definately have brain damage and it's health is in danger.
I'm all for birth control. I'm not in favor of abortion as a form of birth control. Life is precious. I'm here because my mother chose life. I would hate to see another life snuffed out because a baby would be inconvenient.
The psychological danger of pro-choice (abortion) is that someone (the mother) has to decide. Living with that decision is with her for a lifetime.
Today, I still hate abortion. I don't agree with abortion. But I do not believe it is the government's business to tell a woman what to do with her body. Not unless they are going to provide her with the physical and emotional supports needed to care for her child.
I worked for 7 years with the throw away children in our society...the children who were horribly abused and neglected....so neglected they were eating cockroaches from the floor out of sheer hunger....the children whose own mother traded them to a man for some crack cocaine...so he could have sex with them. I listened to them cry themselves to sleep every night wishing their mother loved them.
Do these children deserve to live? Absolutely. But experiencing what I did with them totally changed my view on abortion. I believe something more needs to be done to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
Before I hear from the naysayers...I am a Christian. This topic is one I struggle deep down in my soul with, and I truly believe that there is no perfect answer. In a perfect world, where mommies and daddies want and love their children....the answer would be easy. But the world we live in is far from perfect...and the children are the ones who suffer. I do believe a child is a child at conception. I believe that with all of my heart. As I said, I despise abortion. But does our government really have a right to make that choice for me? Should that choice not be a personal one between myself and God? As I said...I don't have the answers...and I may very well change my mind again. The issue is not black and white to me........
However, if we as a society choose to legislate those choices, I feel that we owe it to our citizens to be as creative as possible when providing alternatives to unwanted pregnancies.
If we are going to legislate the punishment of women for poor judgment or contraception failure, then it would only be fair to punish the responsible man equally.
Perhaps the responsible man could be required to just donate a kidney and have their metabolism adjusted for life with hormonal supplements to approximate the effects of pregnancy and childbirth on their body.... DNA testing could be utilized to positively identify the guilty sperm donor....
If we are going to legislate the protection of the life of the unborn child, then it would only be fair to protect the life and well being of the woman and spare her the consequences of protecting that life. To do otherwise is punishment.
Perhaps there is a choice that we have not explored waiting for us just around the corner. Intra abdominal pregnancies do happen... rarely... It has been theorized that one could be supported in a man with appropriate hormonal supplementation and surgical implantation and delivery. Perhaps this would be an alternative in situations where the woman did not wish to risk her health, beauty, career, etc., to carry the child. Let the man take on the responsibility....
Just some thoughts on the issue...
Angel
People say that fetuses have rights, but they surely don't have the same rights as fully formed, functioning human beings who have names and jobs. That's like confusing an acorn with an oak tree. Fetuses have potential, but it's much more humane and compassionate to take care of the people who are already here before we go worrying about people who may be born in the future.
I believe in the morning after pill. It should also be free and available to anyone.
I believe in education beginning just before the time girls are going to be able to get pregnant and continue through high school. It should definitely include birth control and abstinence in equal doses. I also believe kids need to be shown the results of stupid behavior. There are lots of programs that teach kids how much they will give up if they should become pregnant.
I believe that men are equally responsible for pregnancy as are women and need to accept fully their culpability. No more of this sly wink and atta boy pat on the back for the boy and calling the girl a slut or worse.
I believe people are imperfect and that accidental pregnancies occur. I don't believe pregnancy, childbirth, and raising a child should be the punishment for a temporary lapse in good judgment. Children deserve to be wanted and loved. So I believe that within the first trimester abortion should be granted to anyone asking for one at a reasonable price.
I absolutely reject the idea that I know more about a person's private life than does that person and that my personal beliefs give me the right to dictate those choices for another person. I definitely believe a pregnant woman should have the support and ability to make the best decision for her at that point in her life, whether that be to terminate the pregnancy or the equally difficult choice to continue it.
I believe that my bible anyway says that only god knows what is in a person's heart, so I am more than content to let him sit in judgment of that person.
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Pro birth control!
Simple as that for me.
Thanks for the article, Dan! :)
As long as they aren't hurting me/you, then they have the RIGHT to make the choice to do the things they do in life.
Sex outside of marriage, since the divorce rate is so high, well lets just say were not doing something right with marriage why not try something else?!?
I have my beliefs and that's all they are is mine!
Don't push your beliefs on me I wont push mine on you!
My heart breaks for rape and incest victims, especially those who conceive. Yet, this conception results in human life and none of it is the child's choice.
I have friends who have aborted their children and they can tell you to the day how old each child would be today. It is a bitter mistake, but it is a sin that can be forgiven like any other.
In our family, birth control has been an issue since my husband is Catholic. We call it a mixed marriage. LOL I chose to take steps that due to the situation couldn't include what I wanted which was a tubal. One of my children is autistic, so I couldn't afford the "down time". I've gone with a less permanent solution that I like much less and have still miscarried! I wish I could go your route.
P.S. - Dan, hope my uncensored thoughts get you some more points ... and I hope I don't get any flames in my email box. :)
The worst part about the whole thing was that their local church completely alienated the family from their small-town community. It was horrible to see how their church treated them at a time when they needed it most.
This is not to say that I disagree with people standing by their religion, but that sometimes we need to just be supportive of others and let the powers that be handle it when appropriate.
I think abortion is murder. If the abortion is committed by a doctor, with a morning-after pill, an IUD or any other thing that kills a living fetus, it is wrong. Birth control, that prevents a pregnancy from ever beginning, is not wrong. It is not murder to stop someone from ever existing. Only to kill someone once they do.
Do I feel for those who have been raped and abused? You bet I do. Would I maybe want to have an abortion if it were me? Probably I would.
But I would still be a liar to say I believe anyone has a right to kill another human being. We don't.
Don't you think I would love to be able to believe in the death penalty? I might even be glad to pull the plug on a couple of people who committed especially heinous crimes. But I would still be wrong.
See, the problem with things like this is that my wishing to change good into evil and evil into good doesn't change the truth. It only changes me into a hypocrite if I say I love God and don't love each person in the world as I would myself.
Were I that unborn child, I would want to live.
I can't promise that I'll always do everything I believe in. But God is still love and every person is precious to him. I, at least, have to say that wrong is wrong.