Firstly, the United States, the world's largest CO2 emitter, has until now refused to ratify Kyoto. Also, some emissions were underestimated by the IPCC. Data for shipping were badly covered. Importantly, China did not have to make reductions under Kyoto. According to several reports, China in 2006 actually overtook the US as largest emitter, and a new analysis now puts the annual increase in CO2 emissions for China to at least 11% for the period between 2004 and 2010, far more than the IPCC estimates that the region that includes China would see only a 2.5% to 5% annual increase in CO2 emissions for this period. According to this recent analysis, there will be an increase by 2010 of 600 million metric tons of carbon emissions in China over the country's levels in 2000, which adds more than five times as much as the reductions pledged under Kyoto. Kyoto will end in 2012 and needs to be followed up by an agreement that will result in dramatic reductions in emissions. Negotiations focus on what targets countries should commit to, to what extent it should be left up to each place to decide how to reach those targets and what should happen if countries fail to meet their targets. Many believe that a renewed global commitment to reduce emissions should be backed up by trade sanctions against countries that fail to cooperate.
While such negotiations take place, why not take the lead by setting out to make dramatic cuts in greenhouse gas emissions? That could be done by implementing a framework of feebates, including a 10% fee on gasoline cars that funds local rebates on zero emission vehicles, and a 10% fee on fossil fuel that funds local facilities that produce electricity in clean and safe ways.
As the Environmental Protection Agency's inventory of U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks: 1990-2005 shows, well over 80% of US emissions are caused by fossil fuel - the mining of fossil fuel and burning it in power plants and in transportation. So, if we switched to electric vehicles over a period of a dozen years and to electricity produced in clean and safe ways, such as with wind and solar power, this would achieve an 80% cut by 2020.
Will such a shift drive up prices for consumers? Clean and safe ways to produce electricity are already price-competitive, while cost of fossil fuel keeps rising. Sure, not everyone may decide to switch to an electric car, even if the economies of scale resulting from such policies will - over the timespan of 12 years - make electric cars far cheaper than gasoline cars. But cuts could also be made in agriculture, waste handling and industrial activities such as in the production of concrete, iron and steel. Additional feebates could result in cement that causes far less CO2 emissions, while waste could be turned into hydrogen and agrichar. I have further proposed a 10% fee on meat, funding vegan-organic meals to be served in restaurants in communities without roads. Of course, each area should decide on such details and monitor and adjust things, say, on an annual basis. Once such a framework of feebates is put in place, market mechanisms can further sort out what works best in each respective area.
So, how much will this cost? Since feebates are budget neutral, little or no government money would be needed to implement this. Government doesn't need to pay subsidies to make this work. In fact, it would help a lot if government stopped the subsidies and the support that it now gives to the oil, coal and car industries. Livestock and feed for livestock are also subsidized with huge amounts of tax money. There will be little or no cost, in fact we will be far better off financially. Reducing our dependence on oil imports will improve our financial position. Many people will benefit from the creation of numerous jobs in clean and safe ways to produce electricity and in making the electric grid smarter. It could revitalize our car industry. Healthwise, huge improvements could be achieved with such cuts in emissions. Moreover, the alternative would be to continue paying for the rising cost of importing and transporting fuel, and for the cost of mining and dealing with waste, as well as paying the cost to offset and mitigate the damage inflicted on the enviroment.
Given the obvious benefits, we don't need to await the outcome of post-Kyoto negotiations, but we should start implementing such a framework now. If the rest of the world followed our lead, we wouldn't have to send troops to the Middle East to secure the supply of oil, we wouldn't need to patrol the world to avoid nuclear material falling into the hands of terrorists, etc. We can lead the world and - for once - we can help the world, not by giving money to other countries or by sending troops, but by helping ourselves and by setting the example in the process.
Related articles:
Shipping emissions grossly underestimated - by Sam Carana
Tariffs on imports from polluting countries? - by Sam Carana
Agrichar - by Sam Carana
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Communities without roads- by Sam Carana
Beyond Kyoto - by Sam Carana
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http://sermitsiaq.gl/klima/article30834.ece?lang=EN
Study: Glacier melting can be variable
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=upiUPI-20070213-100336-9529R&show_article=1
The Big Chill - transcript
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2003/bigchilltrans.shtml
You still need your parka in Antarctica
http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=1edd8fbd-7084-4eb1-9f39-ecdee5378809
Global Warming? New Data Shows Ice Is Back
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/global_warming_or_cooling/2008/02/19/73798.html
A New Record for Antarctic Total Ice Extent?
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/a_new_record_for_antartic_total_ice_extent
Seems that the ice isn't melting quite as quickly as you would have us believe Sam.
"Since feebates are budget neutral"
No they are not Sam, you claim they are but will not explain past that statement why you believe they are.
Your "FeeBates" will have a detrimental effect on any economy enacting them.
There's greed.
There's the orbit of the Earth around the Sun.
There's the fact that on average the Sun is getting hotter a minute amount every day, for example the Sun was cooler a million years ago and will also be hotter a million years in the future.
There's Methane gas in the permafrost which will show up because of the melt, and methane is at least ten times worse than CO2. And as the Oceans get warmer there's the Methane Hydrate that will come forth from the Oceans which are in a frozen state in the cooler Oceans.
At this point in time the global warming can not be stopped in any way at all.
However, having said that a cleaner world will be a much healthier world.
So it would please me if we all kept on trying to improve this world of ours
A. Ice is retreating except for places where increased moisture in making it snow more, which then becomes ice. This is a minority of places, and even worse, they are places where there wasn't snow before because it was too cold to cause evaporation. Most people are unaware that the poles are deserts, participation-wise. The ice is simply frozen seawater or snow frozen over millions of years from very, very minute amounts of snowfall. People are also unaware that the new ice that forms in winter at the poles is thinner than the old sheets it replaces. Oil companies and nations certainly aren't denying global warming any more - look at what they do, not what they say. Russia is planting its flag in the arctic seabed. Exxon is lobbying for the right to drill above Alaska as soon as those regions open up permanently. The current predictions call for an open northwest passage for the first time except for the deepest winter months, by as early as 2011.
B. New clean green industries will only stimulate the economy, not thwart it. I heard the CEO of Autonation on CNBC today say that we are spending 1/2 TRILLION dollars a year on foreign oil. Is it any wonder the Arabs are buying up our industries? Is this healthy? No. This CEO went on to say - dispite having the CEO of Shell sitting right beside him - that in 5 years we will have a significant presence of all-electric cars and the infrastructure to go with it. I would argue there are viable alternatives already. As for hydrogen, a hydrogen fueling station just opened near me in White Plains last week. Others are out there and if the government wasn't so pigheaded, there could be many more. Honda has a production vehicle, comparable to its Civic out NOW. There are others. It is not that hard. Green jobs will stay at home and provide work for the great unemployed manufacturing base. I make my living on the markets, but even I don't believe the entire economy can be centered around moving money - especially not lately. BTW, Bush has provided a jobs program of his own, one of the biggest in history. Yes, really. It's called the Iraq War. Of course, this doesn't bring jobs at home, kills and maims our best and brightest, and makes our access to foreign oil less secure, not more.
Cool website, http://unscrewamerica.org/ about cutting electric power use at home. Enjoy.
On NPR yesterday asked why in the world the U.S. is getting oil from the Mideast when it could get it from Venezuela. I guess we know the answer, but it's not a left-brain answer.
Meanwhile, the major candidates are trying to catch each other with friends who talk bad, even when some of the bad talk is true. The government is drugging people in the inner cities, with plans for expansion into the schools, where every child is supposed to get screened for mental health issues that might require, guess what? It's not enough to get crowded out from seeing a doctor by drug reps. Next they are going to suit up to be in schools. Do you think they will wear baseball caps, and go more business-casual?
It looks as if we are headed to elect another more-of-the-same. Meanwhile, under the radar, people will have to conserve. When the dollar hits 2 cents, we are going to have to walk more and trade with our neighbors.
Great article, by the way, Sam. Keep up the enlightening and good work.
Not so much - as you repeatedly point out. Regarding cars, specifically, Lovins writes about a clunker buy-back program, which would allow low-income folks to drive efficient, no-emission vehicles. If anyone has not read Lovins' Winning the Oil Endgame, I strongly recommend it. He makes many of the same points that you make here, especially that dealing with climate is NOT COSTLY, BUT PROFITABLE.
Sam: "...we wouldn't have to send troops to the Middle East to secure the supply of oil..."
This cannot be said often enough!!!
Sam: "We can lead the world and - for once - we can help the world, not by giving money to other countries or by sending troops, but by helping ourselves and by setting the example in the process."
Well, we have given up the lead in renewables to the Germans and Japanese. Hopefully, the next administration will put the right policies in place to allow American companies to regain the edge in this new and emerging industrial/manufacturing arena.
All "too late" prognoses are not equal. The issue is whether we can limit warming to a range that can be adjusted to, or whether (by doing little or nothing) warming will truly be catastrophic. IPCC anticipates a fairly large range of possible scenarios with the "unknown" variable being our response.
Scott: "New clean green industries will only stimulate the economy, not thwart it."
This cannot be pointed out often enough!!!
Ultimately you are right, optimism is the only way to do this thing, but if you set an example and nobody follows, it has to discourage one from setting the next example.
\\\\Our carnivore ways (and I am one) create more emissions than all of transportation. ////
Do you have some documentation supporting this claim? Perhaps you are correct but right now it sounds rather ridiculous to me. Consider not only the actual pollution by vehicles but the building of those vehicles, the mining of the ores to make them, the development of the oil sources and so on.
Where on earth did you come up with those six sites and what historical date do they represent? Every thing I've seen or read has clearly shown global warming to be very real and I was taught that this would be the case back in the forties.
There are quite a few people out there that are rejecting the overwhelming majority of scientists who have studied and document the global warming. I guess they feel that if they deny it, it will disappear! I wish!
However, changes that would work, would also necessitate turning our society upside down. Are you sure you want that? Example. What if a law was passed tomorrow banning gas burning internal combustion engines?
How about closing down every factory in America that releases poisonous fumes into the atmosphere, and have them install hydrogen systems instead?
How about planting a dozen trees around every house in the country?
Who's going to pay for that? You? Me? The government? The corporations that made mega bucks being negligent?
How about doing all that-somehow-and then asking China and the rest of the world to follow suit, and they didn't. What then?
I'll tell you what then. We shall all laugh like clowns, that's what's then!
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88520025
"Where on earth did you come up with those six sites and what historical date do they represent?"
Well they all have links you can go see.
"There are quite a few people out there that are rejecting the overwhelming majority of scientists who have studied and document the global warming."
Well actually James, you have been led to believe that the "overwhelming majority of scientists" support the theory of global warming when substantial numbers of climate scientists have serious doubts.
I think you are the little boy who is walking by the cemetery and whistles to keep his courage up! Refusing to acknowledge facts is not an example of great decision making. I too rejected the idea of rapid climate change for a long time. And I"m not at all sure we can prevent or seriously ameliorate it effects. I'm also not at all sure that man has caused it. I tend to think it is more of a natural process and could reverse at most any point. However, the fact that it is happening is no capable withstanding intelligent scrutiny any longer. Photos from the polar regions and the testimony of that are stronger proof than all the talk about greenhouse gasses, etc., could even begin to be.
Of course, I was taught in the forties, when greenhouse gasses were years in the future, that the earth was warming and would continue to warm until it got so close to the sun that man could not exist. However, it was supposed at that time that such things as the polar ice caps would not show significant visible retreat in any one generation.
Denial will not change any of the facts, regardless of how we hum it!
I tend to agree with you. The biggest pollution problem on this planet is those parasitic creatures that are causing rashes all over the world with their little cities! And no one wants to address this. If this planet were supporting three billion less people there would be no calls for any of this. The earth can recover from an inhabitant who destroys or damages his environment as long as there are not too many of them. Man has passed that number by a long ways. And the natural ways these increases have been controlled, plagues, epidemics and wars, has been limited to only wars and most of us don't like that method.
A true supporter of changing global warming who fails to address overpopulation, is either a hypocrite or he is deluding himself.
There is just way to much evidence that show that hundreds of climate scientists doubt the information coming out of the IPCC for you to claim superior scientific fact.
And wishfull thinking won't change that.
In order for your claim of superior fact to be proven you will need to disprove the information I have posted...which you can not do.
We need to start by aggressively taxing (rather than rebating) gas-hog vehicles. We also need to actively remove vehicles from the roadways that are heavy pollluters -- I drive by "chuggers" often, and the police just pass by. We must enforce the laws we have.
That's the hype from those with vested interests in doing nothing. However, there's every reason to believe that needed changes can be profitable and create jobs --
What can we do to fix the climate problem?
Feebates are a fee paid to buy gas guzzlers and a rebate to buy efficient vehicles. At least this is Amory Lovins' idea. Also, he suggests a "clunker buy-back program", which would help people, like you (as you describe yourself), who would like to have an efficient, no-emission vehicle. If you possibly can, I'd suggest you read Lovins', Winning the Oil Endgame, where he discusses these issues in detail.
Your "lists" of climate skeptics are usually put together by "free market, political think tanks," like the Heartland Institute, which you often link. No major scientific organization in the world disputes IPCC. I have challenged you to produce one scientific organization that disputes IPCC on many occasions. I am still waiting.
True. I think you will find, however, that those pushing for an energy revolution (renewable, sustainable energy foundation for our economy) are also those, who push for population control. Personally, I had no children. Organizations, like the Sierra Club, have "campaigns", which address both issues:
Global Warming Explained
Global Population and the Environment
You are welcome to try and discredit the facts that these well credentialed scientists who have authored these studies have put together.
But since you can't, you play the association card, if you can find them on one of your skeptics list you try and use that as reason to discredit them regardless of their credentials of standing in the scientific community.
Rather desperate of you.
"No major scientific organization in the world disputes IPCC. I have challenged you to produce one scientific organization that disputes IPCC on many occasions. I am still waiting."
I'm getting close Steve,
Joseph D'Aleo gives a pretty good explanation as to why none of them has come out against the IPCC in this article,
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=22930
And if his credentials matter to anyone,
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/experts
Seems your one last defense of the IPCC will soon be collapsing.
You've posted facts that cannot be refuted? In fact, you've posted facts? You've posted your opinion along with selective links to someone who shares you view. You didn't even post what they actually stated!
The bottom line is that you cannot prove what you advocate and I'm not about to do your homework for you. Show some real proof, I challenge you. The research I've done is overwhelmingly against you, so come up with some real proof it youcan!
In case of China, which has a high growth of greenhouse gases, it actually has a 'one child per family' policy, the most strict and effective method of population control in the world, with high numbers of abortion.
Places with the highest population growth, such as in Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh actually are the lowest contributors in terms of greenhouse gases.
The suggestion that it was population growth that caused greenhouse gases here is absurd. Obviously, it is the choice of technologies that causes the greenhouse gases. We have a political choice here, i.e. to encourage the switch to clean and safe technologies. Switching to such technologies can be done in little more than ten years time. Doing so will give us a better economy. We should take the lead here and give the example of how things should be done, rather than to give an example of bad politics, bad economic management and bad argumentation.
sam,
Does the date of the article take away from what Joseph D'Aleo said about the procedure of these organizations who have endorsed the IPCC?
James,
You are welcome to wallow in your delusions, it matters not to me if I change yours or Sams or anyone's elses mind.
I just want to make sure those who come here who's mind is not totally closed realizes that there is another side to the story.
James, read the UN report 'livestock's long shadow'. You can find it at:
http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.htm
Let me quote what it says about livestock: "It currently amounts to about 18 percent of the global warming effect - an even larger contribution than the transportation sector worldwide. Livestock contribute about 9 percent of total carbon dioxide emissions, but 37 percent of methane and 65 percent of nitrous oxide."
The assessment was coordinated by the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, more specifically the FAO's Animal Production and Health Division. As you may know, methane is some 23 times as potent as carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas, while nitrous oxide has about 296 times the global warming potential of CO2. Livestock are also responsible for 64 percent of anthropogenic ammonia emissions, which contribute significantly to acid rain and acidification of ecosystems.
In the US, livestock's contribution to global warming may not be as high as this worldwide average. That's not because the US had such health farming policies, the contrary, the US government gives huge subsidies to some of the most polluting practices. Emissions by cars and power plants are so high in the US that they overshadow this dark aspect of US policy.
This article merely refers to my article Tax the sale of meat! - so, let's have any further discussions on this topic there.
Dan, it's an April Fool's Joke, stop your political spam. If you don't have any real contributions, then don't post any further nonsense here, Dan. Statements by the IPCC are closely scrutinized and if you had any real information that could contribute to improve the IPCC assessments, you would have come up with it long ago.
I'll be awaiting your next Article Sam.
Blessings ~
Rene
This is an aside, but just a while ago I heard a commentator on the radio state that electric cars were no less culpable in producing greenhouse gasses because the oil or other fossil fuels were burned at the producing place, rather than the vehicle and that this was less efficient use of these fuels that to burn them at the point of need.
Leaving solar, wind, hydroelectric and nuclear sources of electricity out of it, is he correct? This was not my understanding but I cannot refute what he said.
Electric cars are pretty efficient, they use regenerative braking, they don't use energy while waiting for traffic lights, they are lighter and have less moving parts than gasoline cars. Furthermore, a gasoline car is less efficient than a power plant. Much of the fuel burned in a gasoline car turns into heat that is basically wasted. A power plant also wastes energy in the form of heat, but less so. Overall, electric cars will produce less greenhouse gases, even when the electricity came from a coal-fired power plants.
Moreover, you cannot switch off a coal-fired power plant, even when there's little or no demand. You've got to keep them going at a certain level. Electric cars can tap into that surplus power, as they are typically recharged during the night. This becomes even more relevant as more wind turbines are added, which produce a lot of energy at night. This is all a bit academic, since we've got to switch away from coal-fired power plants anyway, towards using clean and safe alternatives such as wind and solar energy. As we do, electric cars become even more attractive.
have seen too many articles lately starting to warn of a cooling trend...there are more than a few troubling signs of that now too.
No, Charles, the science behind global warming is solid and no serious scientist will deny that. No serious politician will deny either that burning fossil fuel contributes to global warming. There is no debate on the science behind global warming. The debate is on what action needs to be taken.
Charles: "The actions you wish to see will do little, if anything to even slow greenhouse gases ..."
You are incorrect, Charles!
Charles: "...while causing great economic harm in the few industrialized nations attempting them."
You are incorrect again, Charles. Changes can be made quite easily, with little or no harm done. To NOT take the action that's needed, on the other hand, that would cause great economic harm, and much other harm as well.
Charles: "How many nations (of those who signed Kyoto) have made any real cuts in their greenhouse output? Have any?"
Few nations have tried to make the cuts that I advocate, but politicians all around the world are realizing that dramatic cuts have to be made. In the US, the three main candidates for President are all committed to act on global warming.
Charles: "...have seen too many articles lately starting to warn of a cooling trend...there are more than a few troubling signs of that now too."
You must be reading the wrong articles, Charles, you should read more of my articles, and you should take a closer look into the links added to my articles.