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by David K.
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April 29, 2007

Presidential Candidate Predictions

March 15, 2008 06:54 PM EDT
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Everyone else has their predictions, so here are mine for the three remaining presidential candidates.

John McCain: Will lose the general election due more to the Bush legacy than any failings on his part. [Sorry John, you've been screwed again by Bush].  McCain will go back to the Senate where he will serve out his life as one of the most highly respected Senators in recent memory.  With a Democratic President and Democratic Congress, McCain will be the voice of rational conservatism (how ironic is that) and will effectively work across the aisle to help address some of our most pressing issues.

Hillary Clinton: After losing the Democratic nomination, Hillary will go back to the Senate and decide between one of two possible paths.  One path takes her up the chain to the highest levels of Senate leadership.  She remains in the Senate for two more terms after her current term expires and eventually retires as one of the most respected and influential Senators of all time.  The other path takes her into the darkest regions of her psyche, where she plots behind the scenes to take advantage of any opportunity that might get her back into the White House in four years.  If that opportunity doesn't present itself, she resigns as Senator, divorces Bill, and goes off on a "mad as hell" book tour to make millions.

Barack Obama: After successfully holding off the Clinton machine for the Democratic nomination, Obama wins the general election and takes the oath of office of President in January 2009.  He works to restore common decency to the White House and respectful working relationships with the international community.  He invites the Clintons, the Bushes, and the Congressional leadership to a retreat at Camp David in the first 6 months in an effort to stimulate bipartisan efforts toward solving some of the greatest challenges this country faces - health care and social security in an aging population, the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and "on terror," sustainable energy policy, climate change, the inevitable rise of China as a second (if not predominant) superpower, domestic and global poverty, etc.  If he successfully achieves a balance between party obligations and bipartisan action he easily gets elected to a second term.  If he is unsuccessful he loses the Presidency after one term and we return to the war between ourselves.

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Comments: 120

Anne Marie A. Mar 15, 2008, 6:57pm EDT
Depressing and funny
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blaine d. Mar 15, 2008, 6:58pm EDT
ANYBODY BUT HILARY CLINTON!!!!
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 6:59pm EDT
Anne Marie - um, that's exactly what I was going for!!
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Chick J. Mar 15, 2008, 7:04pm EDT
I hope you are right. Wouldn't be nice to see our country working together then ripping each others heads off?
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Delores Williams Mar 15, 2008, 7:07pm EDT
I love reading fairy tails.
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Joe T. Mar 15, 2008, 7:07pm EDT
Hillary will remain in the Senate. I have to say: If it is between McCain and Obama - McCain wins hands down. People will go for the traditional rather than someone they are not sure about. Sadly, it looks like it might turn out that way.
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Linda G. Mar 15, 2008, 7:09pm EDT
I doubt Obama is a great uniter, my prediction is if he wins, he is in deep trouble because he has inexperienced staff, no working relationship with congress and an ego that puts off the world leaders. His first 6 months turns out as a complete embarrassment for America and the war in Iraq escalates out of control as he sets a pull out date that he finds he cannot honor.
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Chick J. Mar 15, 2008, 7:11pm EDT
Disagreed with Joe T. Back in 1960, that was the agreement why Nixon was going to beat John F. Kennedy. If Obama get the nomination he will crush McCain with the youth and new voters. McCain will look awful old when compare to Obama.
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Linda G. Mar 15, 2008, 7:11pm EDT
I agree with Joe. If it is Obama and McCain, the swooning college students are cancelled out by people that want a strong experienced leader. Besides in a general election the Republicans will play the race card and this stuff about Obama's religion, his association with Farakan and big tax and spend stuff will sink him.
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Kathryn W. Mar 15, 2008, 7:12pm EDT
Obama needs more experience. I'd like to see McCain win. He has always been good to Arizona.
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Joe T. Mar 15, 2008, 7:14pm EDT
I was a child in 1960, but I remember the Kennedy spirit. That spirit just isn't there for this guy. Believe me when I tell you that Obama will not hold up under the intense scrutiny of the Republicans. Hillary can withstand it and remain dignified. I don't see that in Obama.
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Chick J. Mar 15, 2008, 7:17pm EDT
Linda G. Why do you think Obama has a huge ego? He has work with gangs in Chicago and the US Senate. No one has ever said he had a ego.
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Chick J. Mar 15, 2008, 7:19pm EDT
Joe T. your idea of dignified scares me. You are talking about a dirty player that can stand proudly with Dick Cheney and Richard Nixon.
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Tina Coruth Mar 15, 2008, 7:20pm EDT
Well done, David! Nice balance between laughs & chuckles and chills down the spine & dread. LOL If only all but the last sentence would come true! sigh
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Tina Coruth Mar 15, 2008, 7:21pm EDT
If Obama can withstand the Clinton Machine, he can withstand anything.
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Rick *Don Rico* J. Mar 15, 2008, 7:22pm EDT
I hope you're wrong.
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Apryl Just Apryl Mar 15, 2008, 7:29pm EDT
What Anne and Rick said
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 7:33pm EDT
I think I missed the Obama huge ego too. If anything, I would say the opposite.
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Pepsie J. Mar 15, 2008, 7:34pm EDT
I think you have a true sense of what is going to happen.

I am hoping this is the case. We need a different type of Washington.
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 7:34pm EDT
Linda - I don't personally see McCain playing the race card, but as we've seen in recent elections, the Republicans could tacitly look the other way while the "third party" guys do the heavy lifting.
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Mariana T. Mar 15, 2008, 7:34pm EDT
I've already envisioned Obama as our next president - so be it! Salud.
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 7:35pm EDT
Oh, and there will likely be third party guys (aka MoveOn.org) that will do some heavy lifting on the Democratic side as well, I'm sure.
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 7:37pm EDT
It will be interesting to see the turnout on election day. There have been record setting crowds going to the Democratic primaries. But will the younger folks show up at the polls in November, or will the blue-hairs show up in force (or perhaps both).
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Kathy W. Mar 15, 2008, 7:38pm EDT
I hope the dream occurs again. I hope we can make this dream a reality. I am ready for a change, as many of my age group are, we DO remember the Kennedy years of dreaming, and the Johnson years of implementation. Yes, we have, and Yes, we can. I will vote a total dem card this November...and be in the majority while I do so.
I simply hope that that meeting occurs, and is fruitful, and causes the change we hope to see in ourselves, and in our nation.

Blessed be.
(Good article, sir.)
Wilka
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Mariana T. Mar 15, 2008, 7:42pm EDT
I'm really turned off by the good ole boy, ole fart campaign and for sure turned off by Hillary's dirty digs. Obama has had to withstand quite a bit in his life and come out stronger than ever. I think Hillary needs to learn how to bake. Salud.
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Peter Joseph Swanson Mar 15, 2008, 7:45pm EDT
We'll see ..............
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Sherwood M. Mar 15, 2008, 7:47pm EDT
Even if Barrack Obama manages to hold off Hillary, he will lose in the general election, and we will sadly see a Republican President in McCain. The facade is crumbling, and the Republicans are not going to be afraid to bring out ALL THE DIRT. He could have withstood the scandal involving his ties to a man facing criminal indictment...the scandal with Jeremiah Wright has openned up Pandora's Box, and despite the best attempts of black poltical pundits to candy coat it, to shut the door on this scandal, it will not go away....he may manage to get the Democratic Nomination, but if he does, it will come back in very nasty commercials and on right wing radio with a vengence this fall.

People may not like the reality, but if they want the White House in 2009, they are going to have to back Hillary.
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Delores Williams Mar 15, 2008, 7:55pm EDT
Actually you should be more concerned about the idea that Obama seems to "Perfect" for his own good. If he gets the nomination then we might see that veneer wear off, and I think people are going to be in for a rude awakening. Obama can't handle Clinton, which is why he keeps throwing distractions from the real questions.
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Sarah (I want points) Mar 15, 2008, 8:02pm EDT
I don't know... I don't think that there are any good options, and you're probably going to be wrong, but I don't know where.
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 8:03pm EDT
I'm actually one of those that doesn't see Obama as perfect. In fact, I don't think a large percentage of people see him as anywhere near perfect. Like all of the candidates (and all of us), he has his weaknesses. For me, I have become disillusioned by Hillary's such obvious manipulation of the fears and biases that each of us has. She's not even good at hiding her disdain for all people who don't see her as the heir apparent. The irony is that if she were less Machiavellian she might actually have coasted to the nomination on her celebrity alone. I listen to Obama's answers and they just seem to be coming from a different place...a place that isn't inherently political. The fact that some say he doesn't know how to play the typical Washington games (and is thus "inexperienced") is a positive point for me.
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 8:03pm EDT
I've been wrong before. I can live with that.
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j - Frugal Mom - r. Mar 15, 2008, 8:06pm EDT
Wow, I will admit that I am actually a bit amazed by this little discussion. I agree with a lot of you that if it is McCain and Obama, McCain might very well win. Nothing surprises me anymore, not after all those bushes in the White House.
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 8:17pm EDT
Linda said: "Besides in a general election the Republicans will play the race card and this stuff about Obama's religion, his association with Farakan and big tax and spend stuff will sink him. "

I started thinking about this statement a little. I've already provided my take on the race card, which I think McCain himself is above (though I don't count out the Rove-types).

The "stuff about Obama's religion" will make the Republicans look very very bad if they play it. It will also make us, the people, look really really bad if we stoop to the level of believing anything that has already been proven to be false and malicious.

As for "association with Farrakan," there isn't any. Farrakan said he supports Obama, probably because he's black since Farrakan is that shallow. You know how many unsavory types have said they support Hillary and McCain?

"Big tax and spend" is a legitimate topic of discussion. The Democrats in general have a reputation for this, whereas the Republicans have a reputation for tax cuts for the rich. The reality is that the Republicans spend more money than sin on their pet projects (corporate welfare, farm subsidies, etc.) and these are the projects that Democrats try to be frugal with. So Obama will likely want to spend money on social programs rather than corporate give-backs, and he will have to find ways to cut spending elsewhere. His major source of funds to pay for his programs is doing something to stop the hundreds of billions of dollars going to Iraq, much of which goes into some corrupt pocket on the ground over there. Perfect, no. But at least he'll try.
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 8:20pm EDT
Lora - there certainly was the idea of McCain/Romney being floated this week. And Romney said he would be interested. Which suggests to me it won't happen, since they are talking about it publicly. I actually think it would be a good combination for the Republican ticket. Might even be a winner.
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 8:31pm EDT
Sherwood said: "People may not like the reality, but if they want the White House in 2009, they are going to have to back Hillary. "

I disagree. There was a recent poll that showed Independents would overwhelmingly vote for McCain if Hillary were the Democratic nominee. But those same Independents would vote for Obama if he got the nomination. In addition, Hillary's tactics and machinations have become an embarrassment for her own party as well.

We can and should demand better than Hillary.
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Brian T. Mar 15, 2008, 8:33pm EDT
I back Barack. Of course being from Chicago and the same stomping ground has nothing to do with it.
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 8:34pm EDT
Brian - I'm sure it doesn't. :)
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 8:35pm EDT
Actually, Hillary is from Illinois originally too.
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elizabeth e. Mar 15, 2008, 8:39pm EDT
Although I'm going to vote for Hillary, I think your predictions are on target. Lets hope both McCain and Hillary end up back in the Senate doing just what you said.
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 8:41pm EDT
I think Hillary could be a great and influential Senator if she chooses to take the high road. I've met her and up until recently respected her. I am willing to respect her again if she gets back on the path of service instead of personal ambition.
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Brian T. Mar 15, 2008, 8:42pm EDT
Dave it's true that Hillary Clinton is from Illinois but, I back Barack. LoL!
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vickey w Mar 15, 2008, 8:45pm EDT
I cant go with Hilly or Obama, they are to scary and want to raise taxes on people that only makes 31,000 a year. It was on the news today.
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Felix R. Mar 15, 2008, 8:52pm EDT
If Hillary is eliminated...McCain wins easily.
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Darrell Y. Mar 15, 2008, 8:54pm EDT
I really don't like any of these 3 . I am still hoping a decent independent jumps into the race soon!
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 8:58pm EDT
Felix - Curious as to what you're basing that on. The polls (for whatever they are worth 8 months before the election) suggest that Obama would beat McCain but McCain would beat Hillary. Certainly the Independents seem to be trending toward McCain over Hillary, but Obama over McCain.
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 9:01pm EDT
Vickey - I couldn't find any story about the Dems raising taxes. Frankly, there are so many taxes that get raised all the time that no one loses any sleep about (e.g., on alcohol, cigarettes, etc.), that any report of raising taxes has to be taken with a grain of salt. It's possible it was in reference to the Dems desire to "roll back the tax breaks for the rich," i.e., the Bush tax cuts. But then supposedly that would have to be balanced by some other breaks for the middle class. Problem is, without looking at the actual plan and/or proposal, any talk of taxes going up or down is usually just partisan pandering. So we'll have to get some facts.
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 9:02pm EDT
Darrell - I think a lot of people would like to see a decent Independent join the race. Do you have anyone in mind?
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The Militant Moderate Mar 15, 2008, 9:14pm EDT
David,
This would be a wonderful scenario. I could happen, but I am not holding my breath.
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Zara' N. Mar 15, 2008, 9:16pm EDT
David - I'll look forward to the time when we know your predictions have been realized. You just may have "everything" predicted correctly, especially that book tour!

Z'
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Donna M. Mar 15, 2008, 9:18pm EDT
Lots of interesting comments here...so I will simply say...Hope Hillary can make it...Obama is one cool dude....but I don't think he has the maturity he is going to need to make anything work....and raising taxes is a GIVEN folks...regardless of who gets in...remember the debt we have each day with this Bush war.....we gotta pay for it some way...money dose not grow on trees...
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Felix R. Mar 15, 2008, 9:18pm EDT
Polls? I don't listen to polls especially if they're taken by the corporate media. They always have an agenda and use their' polls to manipulate the electorate.

Last Sunday elections were held in Puerto Rico for the Pro-Statehood Party candidates. On Friday...two days before the elections...El Nuevo Dia (the top selling newspaper) had Pedro Rosello (the candidate they endorse) winning over Luis Fortuno 65% to 35%.

7:00 PM Election Results were in Pedro Rosello LOST by a margin of 61% to 39%. Who did El Nuevo Dia poll? Rosello's family?

Like you said there are still 8 months before the elections. Wait for the Republican juggernaut and as much as I dislike McCain for president...he is eminently more qualified for the job than Obama. This is a no-brainer...McCain should win.
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 9:20pm EDT
Zara - if I'm right, I'm going to tout my superior predictive ability on CNN and Fox News (or perhaps just The Daily Show). If I'm wrong, I'll devise a plan to wipe out all record of my insanity. :)
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 9:22pm EDT
Donna - unfortunately you're likely right. Tax cuts during war time is unheard of..usually the President asks the public to chip in. In this case, ideology won out over any rational economic policy and we're now stuck in the mud.
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Larry M. Mar 15, 2008, 9:23pm EDT
Whoever wins we are going to lose. The building problems of high oil prices and massive debt and the mortgage failures will rock the economy. The government will try to attack the problem but a combination of ignorance and various monied interests both domestic and foreign will cause enough wrong things to be done that the economy will get pretty bad. When it happens to us that will spread all over the world because we are such a big player.

We will have inflation because of the cost of energy and high unemployment because of the reduction in spending. It will not be mostly that people spend so much less money as that their spending will not keep up with the inflation so fewer products and services will be bought which will lead to lower domestic employment and so forth.

Our money creates all sorts of negative, harmful feedback loops and they will get us in the end. My solution, as usual, is in my novel Invisible Hand here on Gather.
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 9:24pm EDT
Felix - it will come down to how we define "qualified" and whether "change" will trump everything. I see this as a change election, even more so than the 2006 midterms. In 2006 it didn't matter if you were moderate or extreme - if you were a Republican you got tossed. McCain will have to fight that trend, and I don't know if he has the demeanor to do it.
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 9:25pm EDT
Larry - You may very well be right. Either way, we have to try to fix the problems we have.
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Felix R. Mar 15, 2008, 9:33pm EDT
Change to what? I define qualified as experience and a body of work. Who do you want to redo your' kitchen a guy with two years experience or one with twenty.
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Felix R. Mar 15, 2008, 9:35pm EDT
I don't want either of these characters in the White House. I'm just giving my opinion on who I think will win.
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 9:39pm EDT
Going with your kitchen analogy. Who would you want to redo your kitchen, the guy with 2 years of experience building kitchens, or the guy with 20 years of experience being a lawyer?

What is needed is leadership. The skill sets of being a President are not necessarily the same as being a Senator. John McCain is a great Senator. But I think Obama would be a better President.
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Katie R. Mar 15, 2008, 9:52pm EDT
Slightly depressing but funny none the less ...
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La g. Mar 15, 2008, 10:27pm EDT
I like what you said about McCain, I didn't care for what you said about Obama, but I hate what you said about Hillary, are you misogynist...? at least your not a racist....
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 10:30pm EDT
Ecaterina - I can say with great confidence that I am not a misogynist. What could I have said that would make you think that? Clearly it's not simply that I disagree with her tactics. I could say the same about many politicians, male and female.
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Felix R. Mar 15, 2008, 10:48pm EDT
I disagree, I think Obama would make a good snake oil salesman...complete with surreptitious crowd accomplices.
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 10:49pm EDT
Interesting. Why do you say that Felix?
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La g. Mar 15, 2008, 10:50pm EDT
I'm glad to know that you are not a misogynist; what make me think that, was the part that said "mad as hell", and " the darkest regions of her psyche", I probably agree, that you don't like her tactics, but saying those things, sounds like if you hate her as a senator, because she's a woman.
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David K. Mar 15, 2008, 10:55pm EDT
Ecaterina - Unfortunately, that's how she has been acting lately. It didn't help that she was very nice and saying things about being honored to be sitting there with Obama at the end of the debate, then two days later was ranting about some ads his campaign had out in Ohio. The whole kitchen sink thing was pretty obvious even before her campaign admitted it.

As I've said before, I think she would be a great Senator. I think she could have also been a good President. But as a country we cannot afford to have another divisive person in the White House, and that is what her tactics have shown she would do.

McCain also has a reputation for having a bad temper. But not as someone who would make attacks on a person, just their policies. Obama is rather dull in that regard. People say he should attack back. I disagree.
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Bob D. Mar 15, 2008, 10:58pm EDT
I liked your prediction on McCain, chuckled on Hillary's (including the "mad as hell book tour," and wondered if your Obama prediction was too idealistic as far as bringing all the differing factions to Camp David. Certainly is good food for thought, though. I think it's McCain vs. Obama, and it will be a very spirited campaign.
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James T. Mar 15, 2008, 11:13pm EDT
There is a long 8 months ahead. The stuff about Farakahn supporting Obama should catch as much play as Ann Coulter supporting Clinton. I will not support can not support John McCain. Institute a national draft that includes everyones kid, then lets talk about "spreading democracy"
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Tina Coruth Mar 15, 2008, 11:19pm EDT
Hillary's behavior has been a great disappointment to me. I was torn between Hillary and Obama. Her vote on the Iran resolution tipped the scales for me. (I understand the carrot and stick approach she used to defend it, but she already found out what happens when you give a stick to George W.). Anyway, at the time I voted for Obama, I believed I could vote for Hillary if she did win the nomination. However, the Clinton Machine went into overdrive immediately after NH. She is attempting to throw the kitchen sink at him - that is not admirable. I have been woefully aware of everything you have said about her behavior, David. It is deplorable. I would not vote for McCain. But if it's Hillary vs McCain, I will have to do as McCain's mother suggested, except I will be holding my nose to vote for Hillary.

I do not think that Obama is perfect. He is a person. He will make mistakes. However, he is the best candidate we have. He has the best chance of taking the country out of the darkness that George W, Cheney, and the gang have plunged us into. We do need a change in course. We need someone with a fresh perspective. We need a president who will engage in diplomacy, not posturing. Obama is intelligent and of a new generation. He is our best chance.

Yes, Hillary would undoubtedly go on to have a brilliant career as a Senator, if she gives up on the idea of being president in 4 years. McCain will do very well, too. With these two, I'm afraid elevating either to the presidency would put the Peter Principal to work - promoting them beyond their level of competency. They are too hostile and ego driven.The same problem with our current president.

Obama for president!
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La g. Mar 15, 2008, 11:21pm EDT
Ok, now I understand. So, Obama has been the only candidate, who has not made attacks on a person, that's good; probably he will make a good president, at least we hope so.
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suey v. Mar 15, 2008, 11:45pm EDT
I don't think so.
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Felix R. Mar 15, 2008, 11:55pm EDT
The guys so transparent...I'm surprised more people haven't caught on. When is he going to make it rain?
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Felix R. Mar 16, 2008, 12:06am EDT
I had the opportunity to have twice been at a Jim Jones' gatherings. I didn't buy into him either or a dozen other Jim Jones types. They're a dime a dozen and so are their' crowds.

Been to too many tent meets in my days to fall for this.
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Suzi :Two sides to every story Mar 16, 2008, 12:32am EDT
Excellent prophecy. I'm hoping for the most positive picture you've painted.
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Jared P. Mar 16, 2008, 12:44am EDT
Hillary Clinton - She knows her stuff, would be an OK president. Compared to Bush she will be a GREAT President. I can live through 8 years of Hillary. I would not go anywhere. One thing that bothers me: Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton. Can't get over it.

John McCain - I just don't know which John McCain will show up. The senator who cited with the democrats on McCain/Feingold, McCain/Kennedy, Gang of 14 or the McCain from the last 3 months picking up endorsements from Parsley and Hagee. This is important because of Supreme Court Justices. For all those democrats who want to vote McCain, think about the SUPREME COURT. These judges stay forever.

Obama - Short on Washington experience but I don't care. I am impressed by the fact that he was a constitutional law professor (one of his experience/skill often ignored). George W should have taken his course. Did he fail that or barely passed that in Law school? I think the constitution has been ignored all too often the last 8 years.
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Jared P. Mar 16, 2008, 12:57am EDT
I just read this from a post above "if he [Obama] wins he is in deep trouble because he has inexperienced staff"

Did not know he had his WH staff formed already.
On his campaign, staff, the way they are winning and raising money, I would not call them inexperienced. If they are, then experience really does not matter
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David K. Mar 16, 2008, 1:03am EDT
Tina - That's really what turned me off of Hillary. If she had stuck to her message and just gotten better at communicating with the people she would have probably been okay. But she changed her message constantly - every day it seemed as there was a new "catch phrase." She seemed to check the nightly polls and write a new "belief" the next day based on those polls. She treated everything like the nomination was hers by some birthright, then when she fell behind started treating everyone else like they were stupid for not seeing how great she was. And then she started demeaning the person. Given that the policies of Obama and Clinton are fundamentally the same, I choose to go with integrity and refute Washington political machinations.
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David K. Mar 16, 2008, 1:10am EDT
Jared - you make a good point. If you look at how the two campaigns have been run you get some idea of how they would be as President. Obama's campaign, while there certainly have been missteps, has been able to raise money from many more donors (i.e., getting support from a wider ranging crowd), won more states (i.e., broadening the playing field), and consequently more delegates. Hillary's campaign played on the assumption the nomination was a coronation, had no clue what to do when a viable competitor started winning, had no ground capability in most states post Super Tuesday, focused on the old way of cherrypicking the "important" (i.e., big) states, thereby getting most of her delegates in just a few states, and hoping for a Kerry+1 strategy in the general election. In other words, Hillary focused on a few one-issue states and devalued everyone else while Obama focused on building a stronger base across the country and valuing everyone, thereby bringing more states into play in November. I'll take inclusiveness over exclusiveness any day.
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David K. Mar 16, 2008, 1:12am EDT
Felix - not sure what your reference to Jim Jones means.
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Jared P. Mar 16, 2008, 9:46am EDT
Heard Nancy Pelosi this morning. "It's a race for delegates" and what followed. Barack Obama has some strong backing in the party.

For news: Obama picked up 7 delegates last night in Iowa.
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David K. Mar 16, 2008, 11:30am EDT
Yes, half of the 14 delegates that had initially been won by Edwards in the Iowa caucus officially switched to Obama in yesterday's state convention. The other 7 remained officially with Edwards. So depending on who Edwards endorses, there may be other changes (assuming he comes out and endorses anyone).
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David K. Mar 16, 2008, 11:47am EDT
I just saw a report that Obama actually got 9 more delegates from Iowa (no additional delegates for Clinton). Plus he got a total of 5 additional delegates from the California primary (2 additional for Clinton). So net total delegate differential increased by 12 for Obama. (These are pledged delegates...I notice that his superdelegate count keeps growing too, which suggests that Clinton's attempts to keep superdelegates from making decisions isn't foolproof).
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Jared P. Mar 16, 2008, 12:55pm EDT
Look at my article on this subject. Gather member Bruce posted a comment on it that it was actually 10! From Iowa. Yes, more delegates than she picked up in Ohio. There is a link there.

Yesterday he got an super from Wisconsin I believe.

Despite everything, the lead is increasing. Everybody is focused on the scandals because it is THE LAST RESORT. What else can they do David? Every time she wins one, he turns around and wins 3 other states. To top it all off, he keeps her lead minimal. Just look at by how much she won NY and by how much he won Illinois. That did it for me. From that point I was convinced it was over. She could not win her state by more than 20 and the story in NY that was never reported was that 88 heavily African American precincts reported 0 votes for Obama.
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David K. Mar 16, 2008, 1:11pm EDT
I remember a couple of weeks ago when she "won" Texas. That was the primary only. Now that the caucus results are final, Obama won the Texas caucus. The net total of delegates was Obama 99 and Clinton 94. So while she got a lot of mileage out of "winning" Texas, she actually lost.
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David K. Mar 16, 2008, 1:15pm EDT
I noted also that in Mississippi Democratic primary about 17% of the voters were Republican because of the open primary format (another 17% were Independents). Of the 17% Republican, 75% voted for Hillary. A full quarter of her vote in Mississippi was from Repulicans trying to game the system. That's something to be proud of - fits right in with her own philosophy of "leading" by gamesmanship.
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Jared P. Mar 16, 2008, 1:26pm EDT
It's the Limbaugh effect and they are registering to vote democrat in Penn (deadline March 24) and Indiana. Before Texas, she never won the GOP vote. They hate her. But now that they've seen Barack's strength coupled with a desire to see a bloody democrats' fight, they will vote for her to keep her in the race. All the right wing radio stations here in FL are telling their people to FIND A WAY TO VOTE AGAIN. Can you believe it? They might not be able to legally stop the republicans who already voted to vote in a re-do.
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David K. Mar 16, 2008, 1:31pm EDT
That's my biggest concern about the re-vote idea. That the Clintons and the Republicans will game the system. And they will. I'm also having a problem with the whole concept that it's okay to break the rules because we'll just have the DNC or taxpayers bail us out with a do-over after we screw it up. I really don't think that sends a very good message...it sets a hugely bad precedent.
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John S. (arizona) Mar 16, 2008, 2:07pm EDT
I can't help but feel if Obama makes it, he'll be eaten alive by Congressional savviness, making it hard to be his own man; and pushed around by both our allies and friends overseas. I think he plays to audiences to much for my liking, and seems to hedge a bit on issues and questions by media. Guess we'll see....
I think Clinton knows more, smarter about Washington and how it works, but like many think she is all about power. I think she could be tough on foreign policy if she has too, but wonder what respect she might get from the Muslim world? Is that a problem, I don't know? I think her husband is a liability in all this in a way.
After the last couple months, I'm leaning McCain; at least I think he will have some financial smarts on out of control spending, and earmarks, willing to piss off both parties to do it too. People want to paint him like a Bush, but his record is anything but that. Think he would be a better CIC too...
Thanks for your thoughts.
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Carla G. Mar 16, 2008, 5:20pm EDT
David, you are very perceptive and maybe you have a little esp, because my intuition tells me you are probably right. I do think that Obama will trywork to unite this country. And for him as a black man to do that would be powerful. It would be a new era for this country. Anyway, I do hope that you are right and I will pray for the highest and best for all concerned. This is not about politics. It is about the future of this country. We should all want what is best for the whole and not one party or the other. I genuinely believe that Obama is the one who is best for the country as a whole and it's not just because I'm a Democrat.
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Nyota *Star* Mar 16, 2008, 5:43pm EDT
It is obvious you have given this much thought. I admire people who share their beliefs publicly. I am not one of those, however.
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Bret W. Mar 16, 2008, 5:58pm EDT
Loved the Hillary "mad as hell" book tour idea.
If she ever got into the White House, I think she'd publicly throw Bill under the bus.

I do not share your opinions of Obama, though. I think this guy is a charlatan that needs to be exposed.
With all the revelations coming out about him now, I feel we've only scratched the surface. He's no longer a "rock star", and I think the fainting minions have suddenly stopped doing so.

Now he's just a guy hanging on for dear life.
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Carla G. Mar 16, 2008, 6:14pm EDT
And Bret, how do you feel about McCain and his endorsements by the radical Christian fundamentalists Rev. Parsley and Rev. Hagee? Have you done any research on them and their beliefs? McCain himself has said that he is "proud" to be endorsed by them. Do a little googling on them and see what you come up with.
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Sue B.© The Sting IS Worse Than the Buzz Mar 16, 2008, 6:19pm EDT
Let's google folks. A googling Gather experience...All gather on Google now to do some googling. That sounds provocative for a late Sunday afternooon's exercise. I want to google with you with you, Bret. Where are you?
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David K. Mar 16, 2008, 7:43pm EDT
Okay, the googling idea sounds rather provocative. :)

I don't see anything in Obama that suggests charlatan, Bret. I do think that the "rock star" label is closer to the mark, though I would suggest that it equally fit Hillary Clinton before Obama started his rise in the public eye. Celebrity does seem to play a significant part in our decision making, though I suppose it depends on what the basis is for that celebrity. For Hillary, it was the fact that she was First Lady. It's hard not to be a front runner when "everybody knows your name." Obama gained his celebrity status as more and more people slowly came to know him better. I personally am not one to latch on to the latest fads (as my choice in ties would no doubt prove irrefutably). I watched, and more importantly, I listened. Not so much to the talking points that all candidates try to interject into every statement, but to the way he answered direct questions. The contrast to Hillary's politically manipulative parsing was unmistakeable. Sure, Obama parses as well. But as I listen my sense is that he's striving to find the right words to explain his thoughts, rather than simply spout the politically expedient, prerehearsed talking points. I see a man thinking. With Hillary, a see a person plotting. I appear not to be the only one who sees this.
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Lisa J Mar 16, 2008, 8:03pm EDT
Strange, most people I have heard predict Obama will be elected and assassinated within six months...

Not because they wish it on him - quite the opposite. They just believe anyone so embracing radical change will also attract radical people to dislike them, and the end result will be the death of the president.
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David K. Mar 16, 2008, 8:16pm EDT
Lisa - The theme of his candidacy has been to bring people together enough to find solutions to the country's most pressing issues. That's reallly not that radical when you think about it. No rationale person thinks that partisan differences will suddenly melt away and everyone will dance in the streets together, but it's not unreasonable to ask that the divisiveness that has characterized the last 16 years of Bush and Clinton presidencies dissipate enough to serve the peoples' interests a little for a change. Conservatives and liberals, Republicans and Democrats, will still see things differently, but it's up to us as the people that elect them to hold them accountable. That means that each party represents our views and strives to find the means to get viable solutions, rather than the delusion that a 51% majority in the general election means you get to govern everyone as if you got some sort of mandate for partisan ideology.
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PONHROS (please allow me to introduce myself) ONE Mar 16, 2008, 10:45pm EDT
Wow,
There's some real sick puppies here tonight. Sort of explains the eight years of Bushco rule, doesn't it? David, I'll buy that. Good article.
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