Another Reason For Socialized Medicine: "Study Finds Cancer Diagnosis Linked to Insurance"

Well, talk to Flit about how difficult it is for her to get medical care...she's Canadian...it takes a long time...lots of Canadians come across the border and get surgery in Michigan and other border states...Socialized medicine isn't the answer either.

socialzed medicine would probably not make a difference at all in fact more people would probably be mis-diagnosed and go untreated.

Sometimes it's the patient's fault that they don't get the care. My mother died of lung cancer because she simply refused to go back to the doctor after she was diagnosed. She was only 63 years old and had already lived through a serious stroke with many complications.

It's a thought

I saw a show on socialized and people who were interviewed, were very happy with it. They could go to the Dr for any reason, at any time and recieve treatment, medication, surgery or what ever was needed. And not only in Canada, there were other countries too.
Even if a person had to wait a bit, it's still better than not going at all, for fear of having an enormous bill or getting a lien against yor property. In fact here in America, if you don't have insurance or cash, you may be turned away.
I think it's worth looking into, at least.

Thanks for sharing

Most uninsured or under insured can't afford regular or preventive care. It's put off until the last minute because up to that point, it's a decision between buying food, paying rent or using funds for health care.

Here's another reason why socialized medicine won't work in the long run. It's a link to an article about the UK wanting to make medical decisions based on cost, not what's in the best interest of the patient.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?
in_article_id=508714&in_page_id=1770

The same would happen here. Cost would be the determining factor in the quality of health care provided under a universal or socialized plan. The American economy is driven by profit, with a whole lot pf organizations not willing to give up their piece of the pie.

it's too bad insurance isn't cheaper. people on medicaid are sent only to certain doctors, who don't want to help people who are 'lazy'.....doesn't matter that they can't work for whatever reason. Anyway, not may doctors will take medicaid, so the patient who goes cannot make an appointment...they are expected to just show up and wait...and wait....all day if necessary...if they're are sick..then what?....they can die there in the waiting room...waiting.
there are no easy answers...men are greedy...women too or course.. that makes companies greedy.

In Louisiana they have what they call "charity hospitals", which are a little like you are suggesting. They are state run hospitals. A poor person, like most of the people I know who have no insurance, (myself included) is in terrible hands when medicine is government-run. I could tell you some horror stories.
My mother died of cancer. She stayed in one of these hospitals for 3 months when they couldn't find anything wrong with her at all. Only for them to discover three weeks before she died that she had cancer in all kinds of places.
The waits are excruciatingly long. One man I know sat for 12 hours with a broken hand. My son, at the age of 11, sat waiting for 8 and a half hours with his foot gashed open. Only to get in there and be told that after 8 hours they couldn't put stitches in. They taped him together and sent us home.
One of my aunts was in such agonizing pain for 6 hours of waiting to be seen, she finally got me to bring her to a pay hospital, which saw her right away. They saw her immediately and fixed what ailed her. Then they helped her get Medicaid to pay the bill.
Yes, poverty-stricken folks do get help too late, too often. But government-run medicine is so not the answer.

Yeah...

I'm going to back up Janet B's comment.

As a Canadian.

Anyone for taking the "John Q." approach?

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As a Brit I say National Health!

Interesting. I don't know the answer, either, but the current system is not working. It's shameful that the United States has so many people who cannot receive medical care because it is so highly priced.

Socialized medicine is not an ideal situation. I have done medical course work in Canada and the system there leaves many people waiting years for treatment. And the taxes that pay for the socialized system are very high.

We have some of the best medical care in the world.... not just for the rich. In Texas, many of our county hospitals are recognized as the best in their fields... And no where on Earth can match the care given at Scottish Rites or St Jude's.... and there is no charge to any patient and no insurance accepted.

The bottom line is that good medical care is expensive. The people train for many years. The equipment and facilities cost money to build and maintain.

You pay your mechanic three times as much money per hour to work on your car as you pay a critical care nurse in the ICU to keep you alive.

We all make choices in our lives. Many people make the choice not to purchase insurance or not to work at a job that will provide them with insurance. Other things in their lives are more important to them on a day to day basis... It is a matter of priorities. Insurance is just not as high on the priority list most of the time. It becomes a priority when you need it and don't have it.

I am a poor person. I am an older person with health issues. I have to make medical care a priority on a very limited budget. That means I have to give up other things I would like to have. That is the choice that I make.

I would not choose to live with socialized medicine. It would cost me just as much as my medical care does now and I would loose the right to make choices about my treatment.

I say "NO" to socialized medicine.

Angel

Interesting study..my cousin is on medical and has much better coverage than I do- but that's not sayng much.

Thanks for passing this on.

Great link

Insurance is going to kill us all. I know of a lot of doctors that are leaving their practices in our area. They can't afford all the overhead and the poor payment from insurance. Some of them only want to pay the doctors $5.00 a patient. That doesn't pay the bills. Unfortunately, that's what it has come to.Everyones cost for insurance is becoming astronomical. Let's keep our chin up.

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this is a huge issue and it healthcare is more and more about the haves and have-nots than healing and preventative medicine. It's completely shameful that our "advanced" civilization and leader of the free world nation can't take care of this problem when other countries have much MUCH better healthcare policies to address this type of thing.

Might have something to due with the fact that they will wait longer to go to the doctor

Thank you for sharing this information. It is so sad to to think that people aren't getting the medical treatment that they need. Something should be done but I don't know what the answer is.

Interesting.

Isn't Medicaid "socialized medicine" of sorts divided between state and fed? There are currently 44 million people using Medicaid in this country, and all fifty states participate.

"Medicaid is by far the government's most expensive general welfare program. In 1966, Medicaid accounted for 1.4% of the federal budget, but by 2001, its share had risen to nearly 9%. Combined federal and state spending for Medicaid takes approximately 20 cents of every tax dollar. The federal government covers about 56% of costs associated with Medicaid. The states pay for the remaining 44%."

Without specifics, how would we know that an all Fed "socialized medicine" plan would be any better than Medicaid if that is not sufficient? I myself have a hard time buying that any Federal Government managed plan is the best was to go.

This is nothing new.....socialization in medicine is NOT the answer. In countries that have it the wait period for services is literally months at times and even then they are not insured proper or correct medical care. And bad medicine runs rampant just like it does now here. I read an articles YEARS AGO about how the pill-making companies like Eli-Lilly and Bayer and such control what medicines doctors have available to give the patient and that some PROVEN CURES have been dilebrately withheld from the ill people to encourage using and trying other meds first, or experimental medications.....still worthy of hearing....thanks.

i agree!

True.

Logical.

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I think this country should have universal health care for the simple fact that we are all one, and everyone deserves to have health care

That is a very unfortunate fact.

Health care reform is not socialized medicine. To suggest they are one and the same is truly ignorant. Do some reading, people!