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by G. M. Lupo
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June 8, 2007

Wombats CXVI: Look who's talking

February 18, 2008 08:34 PM EST
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Dialogue is an important part of defining your characters and moving your story along.  How do you handle dialogue in your work and how do you make it sound real?

For me, dialogue comes pretty easy.  I essentially hear it in my head and write down what the characters are saying as they say it.  Sometimes I'll engage in conversations with the characters and capture that.

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meg pattinson Feb 18, 2008, 8:40pm EST
i'm horrible at adding dialouge.. it's hard for me to put my thoughts onto paper.. i have to really think about it.. that's why i procrastinate so much for my papers !! haha
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Dave S. Feb 18, 2008, 8:47pm EST
Hello, Matt. I try to "speak" the dialogue in my head with an accent or inflections that would be appropriate for the characcters and edit ubntil it "sounds" realistic. Who knows if it works?

Richard: Poems -- good. "Luting" pun -- bad. (But in a good way.)

That's all for today, folks!
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Dave S. Feb 18, 2008, 8:48pm EST
The speed of that last post was like lightning! The threads are really quick until about 200 comments, then slow to a crawl -- much, much slower than before the last "upgrade."
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John Philipp Feb 18, 2008, 8:51pm EST
Matt I have no bloody idea how I create dialogue.

I'm sure that's why all my characters sound like me.

Of course, having multiple personalities gives me some semblance of actual character diversity.
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Jamie C. Feb 18, 2008, 8:54pm EST
I'd write all dialogue if I could. I love dialogue! I do slip into me-isms with all my characters at times. I have to watch that or my aliens and high priests start sounding like midwesterners. Yeah, that don't work very well.

Upgrade, smupgrade.
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Jamie C. Feb 18, 2008, 8:55pm EST
And if I'm working on someone with an accent or an obvious dialect, I have to say all their dialogue aloud and work on it. The rest seems to come easy.
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Jennifer J. Feb 18, 2008, 9:04pm EST
Always listen to the voices in your head!
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Larry H. Feb 18, 2008, 9:11pm EST
I just write it down.
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Pat S. Feb 18, 2008, 9:35pm EST
Hi Matt! I'm the pits with dialogue. Long descriptions? No problem. Dialogue? Ewww! I have been trying to adopt a tip from one of the gentlemen wombats, which was to never include descriptions while in a male POV. He's not going to notice curtains or colors or the heroine's dress unless it's in a puddle around her ankles. Use shorter sentences for male dialogue. More internal thought. I just have a hard time remembering to have the characters say anything at all. If I have a movie playing in my head, it's one of those old silent ones!
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Ken C. Feb 18, 2008, 9:50pm EST
Guys notice lots of details. Yes, I know your eyes are up there, sorry. I have no idea if I'm any good at writing dialog, I just try to have fun...

"Captain Murphy is inside. Please try not to touch anything, we're dusting for prints."
Well, duh, Webster thought. "Of course," he said. "I was number three in my class at Quantico. Okay?"
The sergeant raised his eyebrows in curiosity. "Sorry, Number Three, just watch yourself."
The sergeant opened the front door and ushered Webster through. As Webster entered the house he could see the strobe lights flashing as the photographers documented a room down the hall.
"Murphy, where are you, Murphy?" the sergeant called out.
Murphy was medium-height and slightly-built. She was a plain-looking woman with freckles on her wide face. She looked like a Midwest farm girl, but she dressed business-suave in a tan cashmere jacket, floppy silk tie, brown wool skirt, and white stockings. Her shoes were polished brown mirrors. Her dark hair was pulled back into a bun and she had rimless glasses hanging from a chain around her neck. Another chain held her identification. She was about 35, neat, with light makeup. Not a hair was out of place.
"I'm Murphy. What the f***, over?"
"This is Number Three," the sergeant said.
"Orrin Webster," he said with irritation as he handed over his ID card.
Murphy looked his card over carefully, twisting it under the light to see the hologram.
"What's this Number Three stuff?" Murphy asked the sergeant.
"He said he was Number Three at Quantico."
"Is that right?" Murphy said quizzically.
"Yes," Webster said proudly, "I was third out of a class of one hundred and thirty."
"No, I meant, did you really tell him that? And why? Oh, never mind."

- Ken Coffman, Alligator Alley
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James R. Feb 18, 2008, 9:52pm EST
Hi Pat, thanks for stopping by to listen to my song. There's a good story behind it, but I actually think I've grown into it through performance in the time since I wrote it many years ago.

Matt, on dialogue, I try to know enough about the characters so that I can have them speak naturally in their own voices. I've been given the tip to try speaking it aloud and that is a good one. If it doesn't flow off the tongue, it will likely be hard for the reader as well.

Pat, let's not be so quick to assume all men will ignore everything in the surroundings. You can read any of my work for an alternative view. On the other hand, he will notice what is packed within the dress.

Jamie, I was just reading some comments from a veteran writer who had just written a play and really liked just doing dialogue. He said by contrast, in his novels, he ended up putting most of his effort into creating worlds that had enough depth to feel real.
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Jamie C. Feb 18, 2008, 10:09pm EST
When did I become Murphy in one of Ken's novels? You should ask before using my likeness, Ken. :-P

I like reading dialogue too. I often skim long paragraphs of description in novels. It puts me right to sleep if I don't.
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Amy D. Feb 18, 2008, 10:18pm EST
I think dialogue is easier than description for me. Once a conversation is written, I play it back and listen. If it sounds real, I keep it.
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Pat S. Feb 18, 2008, 10:19pm EST
Ken, Ken, Ken. No sensible woman would ever wear whit stockings with a brown skirt. Tsk. Tsk.

Jamie, in April they're having the script writing equivalent of Nano. You should give that a shot. All dialogue, little action. You may have an untapped talent.

James, yes, some men do notice details and descriptions. Witness Number Three's description of the female character. But really, what color is the carpet in that room? Was the door wood or steel or have stained glass sidelights? What color are the walls?

All we know is that Murphy has made some unfortunate wardrobe choices.
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Ken C. Feb 18, 2008, 10:20pm EST
For the record, Jamie, I should mention that Murphy is not a lesbian because she's not attacted to women in general, only to her beloved Elke.

Murphy slumped. She spoke into the table top.
"Love. I feel. So. Much. I've been shot. I've fallen off a horse. I've been hit square in the head with a line-drive baseball. Take all that pain, roll it up, multiply it by the square of all the hurt in the world, it still won't ache as bad. As. I. Feel. Right here." Murphy pointed at her chest.
"Come on, tough guy," Webster laughed nervously. "It can't be that bad."
Murphy looked up. She had a mad look and her eyes refused to focus.
"You don't have a f***ing clue," she said. She cast her eyes around looking for something. Her glance fell on the silverware. She picked up a fork and stood it up on the table.
"I'm going to stab this thing into my hand until the pain matches what I feel in my heart," she said.
Webster stood up and tipped his chair over.
"My god," he said. "I'm going to be sick."
Murphy closed her eyes tightly and placed her right hand on the fork. The muscles of her forearm bunched and writhed.
"Murphy," Elke said softly. "Murphy," she repeated.
She slowly removed the fork from Murphy's grasp.
"Things are going to work out fine," she said gently.
"Do you promise?" Murphy said.
Elke poured tequila on the four pinpricks of blood welling from Murphy's palm and clenched her fist around a napkin.
"I promise," she said quietly.
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Judi F. Feb 18, 2008, 10:21pm EST
I actually write most of my scene as dialogue then go back and flesh in the other elements. I've found it helps to let the characters tell their story, then build the world around them.

If that makes any sense I'll be amazed tomorrow. I've done 6 loads of laundry, watched 5 kids (neighbors/relatives/my own), cleaned up one of the messiest kitchens ever, edited 20 pages, judged a beginner's contest entry (and I try not to demoralize them with the words, since all the red type might do that, so it's extra work), helped with homework... I need a break from the break.

Night 'bats!
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Gina Robinson Feb 18, 2008, 10:22pm EST
I'm with Jamie--I'd write all dialogue if I could. What gets me are the dialogue tags. I don't mean the "he saids, she saids." I mean those little bits of action that let the reader know who is speaking. In my first drafts I have waaayy too many, "he smiled, she shruggeds."
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Ken C. Feb 18, 2008, 10:25pm EST
Pat, one thing you should know about guys. We aren't going to create a fashion ensemble. The best I can do is visualize something I have seen and describe it. I have seen white stocking worn with a brown dress, and obviously it stuck in my mind. So there! Blattt..
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James R. Feb 18, 2008, 10:27pm EST
Hi Judi. I like the concept:

"I've found it helps to let the characters tell their story, then build the world around them."

Of course, in an SF novel, it might work differently, where the different world may have a profound impact on how the characters develop.

In a character driven novel, the approach you describe makes plenty of sense. You may now take a rest!
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Jamie C. Feb 18, 2008, 10:28pm EST
Ken are you trying to imply something about my sexual orientation? hmmmmm??????

Okay, I'm LMAO over here in NE.

Gina -- he smiled, she shruggeds don't bother me when I'm reading. That's probably why I include way too many of them in my writing as well.
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James R. Feb 18, 2008, 10:29pm EST
Jamie, I didn't know that Murphy was one of your aliases. :-)
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Jamie C. Feb 18, 2008, 10:30pm EST
Have to share a story about my dog. I bought her a new kind of dog food, which she LOVES. So she takes each individual piece out of her bowl and hides them all over the house - under the couch cushions, in the corner of the room, under the rug, under the chair, in her blanket, etc. I guess she thinks someone is going to steal the food out of her bowl when she isn't looking. Silly dog!
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James R. Feb 18, 2008, 10:33pm EST
Gina, in my last story for the Valentine's Day contest, I started off with a lot of he said, she said, and other ways of marking the dialogue. But when the markup with blue pen was finished, much of it was gone or replaced by beats, and I think for the better.
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James R. Feb 18, 2008, 10:36pm EST
Matt, thanks for jumping in with the new thread. The new bloated Gather really works a lot better when the threads are 200 comments or less.

Time to sleep; work returns tomorrow morning.
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simon g. Feb 18, 2008, 11:08pm EST
"I dont know what to say"
"Then dont say anything. For a change"
"That was mean"
"Sorry"
"No, you're not"
"Listen, lets just stick to the point, shall we. Do we like to do dialog or not?"
"Yeah, I guess"
"So there you are then. Its settled. Now, pass the crumpets."
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Jamie C. Feb 18, 2008, 11:12pm EST
Any alternative rock fans in the crowd? Awesome unsigned singer/band posted a couple of songs here on gather. If you like that kind of music, do yourself a favor and have a listen. (If you don't like alternative rock, you probably won't like this.)

Vampires by Jaux King

The Fire You Can't Put Out

The Fire You Can't Put Out is to one entered in the First Tracks contest, I think. It has a softer sound than Vampire. Anyway, I don't know this guy, but I think he's really talented, so if you're so inclined, offer him some support and a vote. I want him to get a record deal so I can buy his album. :-) *total fan girl over here
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Jamie C. Feb 18, 2008, 11:13pm EST
*passing Simon some crumpets.
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Beth H. Feb 18, 2008, 11:15pm EST
I don't think too hard about the dialogue while I'm writing, just do it. My focus on the edits is mostly on the rhythm and making sure I've actually had the characters saying what I intended for them to say.

My first novel overflowed with creative dialogue tags. When someone complimented me on my creativity along those lines, I knew I was in trouble. I changed to said and asked for most, but also left off as many as I could.

Good topic, Matt.
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Jamie C. Feb 18, 2008, 11:23pm EST
*passing Beth some chicken and dumplings, mashed potatoes and gravy, and baby butter beans
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J.C. Alexander Feb 18, 2008, 11:26pm EST
Beth - so a compliment on creative tags is a bad thing? Or does it depend on who it's from?

JK is revealing herself? When, when?

First day of work tomorrow. Funny thing is, I'm not at all worried about work. I'm worried about how the heck to get two kids ready for school and out the door before 7AM. We did a dry run today - net result - they were out the door at 8AM. That's BAAAAAD!
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Jamie C. Feb 18, 2008, 11:28pm EST
Ah, just read the rules for "First Tracks". Official voting doesn't begin until March 3rd. Guess I will have to vote again later. :-) Sorry, false alarm.
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Jamie C. Feb 18, 2008, 11:30pm EST
Good luck, JC. My kid makes me fifteen minutes late everyday. My solution, change my schedule so that I start work fifteen minutes later. Problem solved. Of course I have the privledge of making my own schedule. That probably doesn't work for everyone.
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simon g. Feb 18, 2008, 11:30pm EST
"JC, good luck on your first day at the new job"
"Thanks Simon, but luck is not the issue. Once the kids are gone the res is cake"
"Hey Jamie, how about some chicken and dumplings over my way"
"Oh, sure Simon, sorry, I didnt see you there. Here you go"
"Wow, and you cook too??!!"
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Jamie C. Feb 18, 2008, 11:31pm EST
So, you can pretend that you have to leave at 6 am. That might get you out of the door by 7.

I think I need to go to bed.
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simon g. Feb 18, 2008, 11:33pm EST
"Wait a minute, whats going on here? Are we going to be writing only in dialog on this whole thread?"
"yup"
"Oh"
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Jamie C. Feb 18, 2008, 11:33pm EST
"Sorry, Simon. I thought you wanted crumpets."
"Did I say that?"
"Yeah, up there in your earlier post, but if you want chicken and dumplings, chicken and dumplings you shall have."
"That's more like it."
"I aim to please."
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simon g. Feb 18, 2008, 11:39pm EST
"Say Jamie, if we keep up this dual double dialog thing, people are going to start telling us to get a room again"
"pssssssssssssst"
"What waas that? speak up, I coulndt hear you."
"PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSST"
"Oh, yeah. Well good night everyone, Im off to bed."
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Beaker (just Beaker) Feb 18, 2008, 11:40pm EST
Hey, Jamie--are you going to post a video of you vacuuming? Or is it too late? You could do a dramatic re-enactment. No one would ever know.

I've noticed that once I'm in the groove of writing dialogue, things happen at a very fast pace. Sometimes too fast--I have to end the conversation before too much is revealed.
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Jamie C. Feb 18, 2008, 11:45pm EST
"Following you to bed, Simon."
"ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ"
"I guess he's already asleep."
"I aim to please."
"And he talks in his sleep, too. Good night, Wombats."

J.K., I'm still waiting for your photo unveiling. I haven't even turned my camera on today. Someday I'll post a vacuuming video. If you're very, very unlucky.
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Beaker (just Beaker) Feb 18, 2008, 11:46pm EST
Okay, since all of you are hitting the sack (simultaneously), I'll have to save my mugshot for another day.
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J.C. Alexander Feb 18, 2008, 11:56pm EST
I'm not hitting the sack, J.K. If you want to post your mugshot, you'll have a live witness. Of course, I don't know if I count - I saw your nano photo a few months ago, so it's not new to me.
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Beth H. Feb 19, 2008, 12:10am EST
JC, it's bad when they notice how creative and varied the tags are. He was quite serious about it too. But readers shouldn't be noticing dialogue tags. They should be overwhelmed (or at least whelmed) by the witty banter. *See Jamie & Sy above.

Have a great first day on the job! That's always exciting.

JK, you can't get out of it that easily. Show yourself! Please.
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St. Joy The Baptist M. © Cranky-Pants, Mercenary and Coroner Feb 19, 2008, 12:32am EST
In my experience, dialogue generally writes itself. It's the punctuation and formatting of same that is a PITA.

\bites tongue.
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Wendy C. Feb 19, 2008, 1:44am EST
Thank you so much for having us Matt. Good question.

I've been told (by wombats) that my dialogue is strong. It's my favorite part of writing. Judi what you expressed made perfect sense to me. I run with the dialogue and then go back and flesh the rest out. Or should I say I channel the dialogue? I hear the entire conversation in my head as I write it.

Joy I'm with you punctuation and formatting are a PITA.

J.K. you can't tease us like that!

Good Luck tomorrow J.C. (((((good vibes)))))))) When I had to be work by 8, I was up at 5 to get us ready and out the door. Not so nice, but I wasn't late.

Good Night Neverland
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Wendy C. Feb 19, 2008, 1:46am EST
Jamie, your puppy story was too precious. Lopesided grin..she sounds like a doll! Though the sitting on puppy food doesn't sound so pleasant, her cuteness must make up for it. ; 0 )
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June B. Feb 19, 2008, 7:52am EST
Thank you for jumping in here at the last minute Matt. I'm not good with dialogue yet but I thoroughly enjoyed Si and Jamie's above.

JK, I'm so glad I didn't miss the unveiling.

Jamie, thanks for the links. I've been looking for the entries but couldn't find them. I'll need to start listening now if I'm going to vote in March.

A cold front come in last night. Temperatures went down in the 50's last night. "Ow! Stop throwing those snowballs at me!" See? my dialogue stinks. hehe.
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June B. Feb 19, 2008, 7:55am EST
BTW, where are the comma's in my above post? I have no clue. Maybe someone could do a thread on comma placement in the near future.
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June B. Feb 19, 2008, 8:37am EST
Jamie, I just listened to the music you suggested. The Fire You Can't Put Out is awesome. Also, James has an entry that I like too. The Irishman
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Judi F. Feb 19, 2008, 10:00am EST
"Morning all!" wished Judi, cheerfully.
"Good morning, Judi!" the group exclaimed.
"Byyyyyyyyyyyyyeeee! Accccccccck!" A business suit blurred out the door.
"I think that was JC running late," conjectured a mugshot-challenged redhead.
"Yeah, but the kids are worth it," chirrupped Wendy, happily.
"Tell that to the boss on the first day," barked Jamie's dog, hiding another tidbit.

**how NOT to do dialogue tags**
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June B. Feb 19, 2008, 10:17am EST
Judi, that sounds like my entry in the FCC, LMAO. I am improving... slowly, very slowly.
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Jamie C. Feb 19, 2008, 10:39am EST
"Good morning!" Jamie exclaimed sunnily, following Judi's bad example of dialogue tags. "I'm glad June pointed out James's entry. I'll have to listen to it at home because I'm at work now."
"Shouldn't you be working at work?" June asked in a perplexed voice through the white paw covering her cute, kittycat-like face.
"Oh, I'm working," Jamie assured her, pretending to sort the stack of papers on her desk.
"If you say so," June muttered, not looking convinced.
"Well, I really do need to get some stuff done," Jamie admitted begrudgingly. "Have a fine Tuesday, Wombats. At least it's not Monday, though it feels that way to me." Holidays are wonderful, Jamie thinks nostagically as she logs off gather.
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G. M. Lupo Feb 19, 2008, 10:45am EST
Hello all. Glad you're enjoying the thread.

Judi, there are times I start with just the dialogue as well. My Wombat Valentine's day entry started as mostly dialogue.
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simon g. Feb 19, 2008, 10:47am EST
"Wow" Simon thought admiringly as he struggled to get many things done in a very brief period of time, before once again hitting the road. "These Wombats sure know how to write". And then, off he went, into whatever new adventure awaited him in the future.

(No, Abby did not write that. It was all mine).
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Catherine M. Feb 19, 2008, 11:09am EST
Good morning, 'Bats,

As I mentioned, I'm swamped. My father's coming tomorrow and I've got some preparations still to attend to, but I wanted to let you know: The Raider's Wife is one of the Top 100 Semi-Finalists over at Amazon, as is John Ring's Wrecking Civilization Before Lunch!

Gah. I need about 36 hours in this day, but I don't suppose I'll get them. Still checking the categories to see if any other Gatherers made it.

Cathy
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Catherine M. Feb 19, 2008, 11:11am EST
Oh, and a couple of days ago a couple of other entrants at Amazon and I had a long discussion on dialogue on one of the threads over there. The thread was called So Many Opinions (or words to that effect.) Just sayin'.

Cathy
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Jamie C. Feb 19, 2008, 11:17am EST
Congrats, Cathy!!!! So excited for you!
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June B. Feb 19, 2008, 11:20am EST
"Jamie, your killin me here!" June said spitting the fur out of her kitty cat mouth. "Don't worky work too hard," she lovingly said watching Si enter his new adventure. "Is she nuts?" he thought.

"Matt, we're enjoying the thread immensly," June said while purring.

"Where'd that merman go?" Judi asked peering around the corner.
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June B. Feb 19, 2008, 11:21am EST
Cathy, many congrats to you!
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Richard Frisbie Feb 19, 2008, 11:31am EST
You can hear it and write it? Great! I have to learn to listen better. Dialog is difficult for me.
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Beth H. Feb 19, 2008, 11:47am EST
Cathy, that's awesome and fantastic and great and fabulous and just too cool. Well done and good luck in the next step of the process. Yeah for Cathy.

Good morning, Wombatini!
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G. M. Lupo Feb 19, 2008, 11:49am EST
Congratulations, Cathy.
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June B. Feb 19, 2008, 11:52am EST
Hello Richard, nice to meet you.
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John Philipp Feb 19, 2008, 12:18pm EST
Welcome, Richard.

Cathy, way you go girl!!!
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Jill Lynn A. Feb 19, 2008, 12:34pm EST
*jumps up and down for Cathy* Knew your talent would shine through. No matter what happens from this point, this has been a much more positive experience for you than FC1, right?

Dialogue? Love writin' it, love readin' it. As many have already said, I "hear" my characters. Snippets of dialogue run through my head at the very start of a novel. Sometimes those snippets won't even appear until chapter twelve, but are just sitting there waiting for me to catch up.
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Beaker (just Beaker) Feb 19, 2008, 12:43pm EST
Hurrah for Cathy! And while I'm at it, congratulations to Paul! It's so wonderful to see Wombats making good.
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Jamie C. Feb 19, 2008, 12:51pm EST
Welp, I'm done with work for the day. Heading for home. Woo hoo!

June, our posts will make no sense if you change your icon. Future lurkers will wonder what the heck we are talking about. :-) "Why she's a perfectly lovely woman. What are they talking about... kittycat??... The NOIVE!"
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James R. Feb 19, 2008, 12:56pm EST
Cathy, great news on your Amazon status. Keep us posted on the next step.

June, thanks for the pointer my song, Irish Man. I'll likely make some small changes to it before posting to First Tracks. This is mainly for early feedback and listening.

JC, good luck in the first day at work.

Dave, how is your return to the workforce going?

Simon, welcome back.
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simon g. Feb 19, 2008, 1:02pm EST
Stumbling back into his abode for a quick last minute glance at the thread, he is happy to be able to exclaim
"Hoooray Cathy!!!" And then a thought strikes him.
"Hey JK, where is your new photo already? We were promised." Sulking away, he prepares to once more depart the big city for the much smaller one, hoping that his fellow Wombats are not yet bored and disgusted with his terrible parodies of really really bad writing, and that they dont start to think that this is how he actually does in fact, write for real. "Oh well, if they really want to know they can get my book" he thinks, and then realizes, no thats not a great idea. Oh well, f*** it.

Till tomorrow Wombats, if not later. I fully expect to see the real JK upon my return.
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Pat S. Feb 19, 2008, 1:30pm EST
Just a fast drive by. Hi to all! Cathy, fabulous news on the Amazon thing! Congrats!

Please don't expect me to converse in dialogue. My brain is too fried.

James, loved your song. For those who haven't heard it yet, give it a listen.

JC, good luck with the job (yeah, I remember when I used to be excited about work too. Sigh.)
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Jamie C. Feb 19, 2008, 1:31pm EST
Have a safe trip, Sy. Pittsburgh is huge by my standards. :-) I can't even get my mind around how big New York is. Small town girl over here.

Great work on the song, James. Wish I could be more help. I had a hard time headbanging to it. *that's a joke So many multi-talented wombats.
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Pat S. Feb 19, 2008, 1:31pm EST
Safe travels Simon.
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G. M. Lupo Feb 19, 2008, 2:03pm EST
I just posted an experiment in dialogue I wrote when I was in college. Check it out if you get a chance.
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Feb 19, 2008, 2:05pm EST
Cathy, that is most excellent news, and well-deserved!!!!!!

Dialog...well, I used to write screenplay stuff, so I like to think I'm pretty good at it. I have a lot of fun with characters' voices. I really do think them in my head and they start talking.

Er, that's normal, right?
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Catherine M. Feb 19, 2008, 2:10pm EST
Perfectly normal. I hope.

Cathy

(Thanks, Lisa.)
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Catherine M. Feb 19, 2008, 2:41pm EST
Hey, I just found another Gatherer - Kim Fay's In Yellow Babylon is in the Top 100 also! Yay for Gatherers!

Cathy
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Pat S. Feb 19, 2008, 2:50pm EST
OH how wonderful to hear Kim made it as well! I'm probably the only one here who remembers her, but I do love her book! I'll have to send her a congrats. Thanks for letting us know Cathy!
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Wendy C. Feb 19, 2008, 2:51pm EST
Hopping up and down squealing, "HooRah Cathy!"

I'll update the list. Any other wombats make the cut? I'm so excited for you!

The Spring cleaning bug has bit, and I must clean.. off with me. If I'm not back by tomorrow send a search party. ; 0 )
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Paul Allen Leoncini Feb 19, 2008, 4:06pm EST
Ken: Having fun is no excuse for poor writing...You'll get the same critiscism, and like it...HA!

Your Dialogue is crisp, and clean and no caffeine...Good job!

G.M Lupo...I agree.
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June B. Feb 19, 2008, 4:21pm EST
I'm Afraid of Everything By Jake. This is fantastic.
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Beaker (just Beaker) Feb 19, 2008, 5:01pm EST
Eldest child wants to give me a make-over (I mentioned I was thinking aboout getting a haircut, silly me) so the big reveal must wait a few more days. Meanwhile, here's a lovely photo of someone who looks an awful lot like me, except for hair color. (Hint: my father was the photographer.)
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Beth H. Feb 19, 2008, 5:38pm EST
JK, we'll wait for the make-over, but we won't forget :-)

Today is my Gather anniversary. If you'd like a piece of Anniversary Cake...

Also, I think some of you might enjoy From Father to Son.
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Jamie C. Feb 19, 2008, 5:57pm EST
Thanks for the cake, Beth. It was nummins!!

JK, are you going for something other than a bright-orange shock of semi-mohawkity this time? Looking forward to seeing the real you.

And after a 2 and a half week vacation from editing, I'm over my slump and back on the job. Prepare theyselves for much whining.
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Jamie C. Feb 19, 2008, 6:23pm EST
theyselves = thyselves

Looks like I'm out of practice on the editing.
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Judi F. Feb 19, 2008, 6:40pm EST
quick drive by -

YAY CATHY!!!!!!!!!!

and yay Pat's friend Kim - anyone else? Do they have a list somewhere?
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Jamie C. Feb 19, 2008, 6:51pm EST
Just went to view the list of 100 finalists. Not a single romance made it to the final round. ...just sayin'..... (and I find it odd)
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Jamie C. Feb 19, 2008, 6:55pm EST
Or is this the final round? Anyway, no romance in the group of 100. Almost all are general fiction.
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Jill Lynn A. Feb 19, 2008, 6:58pm EST
Now that the Amazon field has been narrowed down to 100, think I might venture back in and read some. Wow, Cathy, do you know how phenomenal it is that they started with 5,000 and you are among the final 100? *smile* Of course, you do!
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Gina Robinson Feb 19, 2008, 7:05pm EST
CONGRATS, Cathy!!!!

Jamie--I just heard the same thing that no romance made it. Guess the publisher isn't looking for romance right now :-( I know of one chicklit/women's fiction entry that made the top 100. I also heard most of the finalists were literary fiction, but I can't vouch for that statement since I haven't checked it out myself.
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Jill Lynn A. Feb 19, 2008, 7:08pm EST
Jamie, don't know if you've read any of the discussion threads on Amazon, but there is one titled "Romance Got Snubbed." Has 43 comments so far.
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Gina Robinson Feb 19, 2008, 7:08pm EST
Cathy--I forgot to ask--are all of your reviews erased for this next round? Do you post another chapter? Do we need to go post new reviews? Sorry, I haven't kept abreast of the rules for this contest.
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Pat S. Feb 19, 2008, 7:33pm EST
Cathy, arent' you glad yours got "misfiled" as not-a-romance? Because it actually is one.
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Jamie C. Feb 19, 2008, 8:01pm EST
YAY! I finally finished (for now) editing that stupid chapter that's had me blocked. Now I can move forward until I find the next block.

I guess I'm not the only one who noticed there were no romance. I saw a conspiracy thread over on Amazon. Kinda reminds me of a Gather controversy. I'm just so excited for Cathy. YAY, Cathy!!
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Pat S. Feb 19, 2008, 8:14pm EST
Where is this thread of which you speak? I can never find anything on Amazon except stuff I want to buy. I try to avoid the place.

By the way Judi, I keep forgetting to mention I got my copy of A Big Book of Filth. Laughed myself silly! Especially since I discovered that in the 1830's a Jezebel was an alternate name for a man's member, and my villain keeps referring to the heroine as a Jezebel! I may have to rethink that.
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James R. Feb 19, 2008, 8:22pm EST
Good evening.

Jamie, thanks for stopping by to listen to my song. The head banging might work better on some of my other harder rock stuff. :-)

Pat, glad you liked the song. It's grown on me in the years since I wrote it.

Curious that Romance got snubbed in the Amazon contest. I developed a healthy respect for the genre through my FCR experience. As we saw in that contest, Romance can cut a rather broad swatch of different possibilities, as evidenced by the diversity of the wombat FCR entries.

JK, yes, now you've got us waiting.

Beth, happy Gather anniversary. Mine must be coming up soon (just checked --- it was Feb 11th, -8 days ago). When did you submit your FC1 entry? Mine got posted on Feb 27th.
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Jo C. Feb 19, 2008, 8:28pm EST
Sometimes I try to write a screenplay before turning it into a short story or longer form. Try it. You HAVE to use dialogue in screenplays. Also, there are free screenplays online for the viewing, some from top movies. If anyone wants a link, send me mail or post here and then let me know that you asked and I'll try and find the link(s). Reading screenplays helps to see how dialogue and action work together to move a story line along.
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James R. Feb 19, 2008, 8:44pm EST
For info on the Amazon contest, try http://www.amazon.com/abna .

From there, I found the list of finalists and the discussion boards. Todd seemed to get really good reviews, but evidently was not on the final 100 list. Looks like the outside world gets to write reviews for a couple more weeks.
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Jill Lynn A. Feb 19, 2008, 8:59pm EST
I would guess Romance didn't make the cut because it doesn't have as much appeal to both genders. (Despite James's new respect for the genre :-) While Raider's Wife has romance in it, I wouldn't categorize it as a romance. Of course, I wouldn't have categorized it as Sci-Fi/Fantasy either. General Literature then. At its best :-)

J. Corn, I would like the link. I've often thought because dialogue is one of my stronger elements maybe I should be writing screenplays and have missed my calling. But I don't even know that I've ever seen a screenplay in writing, and know nothing about formatting.
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Beth H. Feb 19, 2008, 9:06pm EST
James, my FC1 entry went up in March. I can't remember the date. (And back then I thought I'd remember that date forever!) It was a week or so before the final date to submit. I didn't want to wait too long, in case I messed up the submission. A happy belated anniversary to you!

Amazon--Glad we get to help Cathy move forward. Cathy, don't let us forget. When do we begin commenting?

Gina, how are things moving for you? Everything in place for the first book or are you still tweaking? What about the story we read in FCRomance? How's that one coming along?

I was checking some of my early connections. Twelve out of my first 18 are Wombats. And this was before wombats existed. At least I think so. While I was there, I checked on Rand and Ty. Rand last logged in on the 10th. Ty was here a few days ago. Hi, guys! Hope all is well with you.

Hi to all the lurkers, too. Please drop in and say hello.
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