Right Wing Insults America

Agenda-driven pundits who engage in divisive speech for its own sake hurt all of us. The name-calling that accompanies this speech is a poor example to our children, ourselves, our nation, and the world ... for which the United States considers itself a moral beacon. Both sideas of the aisle have engaged in this at one time or another, but it does seem to be escalating in recent years and, most often, from the right.

As consumers, let's respond in a way that forces either a change of tone or a replacing of media personalities toward the positive.

All you have to do is listen to them talk for five minutes and you know they're not very bright. I wouldn't want them in my camp representing me, that's for sure.

Those you mention are professional hate mongers. They are in a sick kind of show business. An ethical political party would reject them. Unfortunately, I don't think we have any ethical political parties so I'm not surprised that they are accepted, and used.

The names that you mention are all associated with professional rabble-rousers or hate-mongers, as Larry noted.

None have superior intellectual skills, as noted by Olga.

And, they are very damaging, as noted by Debra.

The interesting thing is how the paranoid, thoughtless, ranting style sometimes slips away from the control of the demagogues.

The Republican establishment was genuinely surprised by the nativist, know-nothing attitude on immigration that it had cultivated unwittingly.

Those people get paid to arouse your emotions. Guess they succeded. They will rant and rave on anything to get people thinking and reacting. They are as necessary as doggy do do. You have to put up with it but you don't have to step in it.

Peter, the Republican Neocons don't unwittingly do anything. They want the public to ignore illegal immigration and be unaware of the harm it is doing the nation.

Well I'm not going to even try to discount Gary's being offended.

But those on that list can't even begin to compare to Democratic pundit James Carville.

Gary, you left out the brilliant conservative woman and author-- Laura Ingram. Gary the problem is you dems. are wrong about everything. Could you please tell me one thing your party has ever gotten right. Here are some of your party's all time great disasters:: Forced school busing, the welfare state which took millions of people out of the work force and made them dependent on a govt. check- brilliant!, Viet Nam a war your party started with a lie{LBJ}, and when the war got tough your party cut the funding and allowed millions of people to be slaughterd{ sound familiar Gary,- that's what you and your party want to do now in Iraq, certainly seems very anti-american to me. Then your party gave us Free- Love in the 60's the idea ' if it feels good do it! No problem. Result?-- OOP'S the Aids epidemic and a stunning rise in STD'S---OOPs. Then you dems. gave us the drug culture to go with the free love disaster, turn on drop out -young leftist dems. said.---Lets party! the result, when the party was over for all these cool hip dems. from the 60's America woke up to a generation of drug addicts who either died of overdoses or gotten hooked for a lifetime and went on welfare, which drove up healthcare costs, runing families{anti family polices} and destroying inner- cities. Gary, wether it was education policy, welfare policy, economic policy, foriegn policy,or social policy, time after time after time what became the liberal- demcratic solutions to problems proved to be utter disasters, that are still being supported by your party. People like you Gary, the preponets of these failed programs not to mention the "TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS"- wasted never have the guts to acknowledge the fact of these failures, you dems and libs, simply shrug your shoulders and move on to your next disaster policies. This time? The dem and lib idea is give a drivers licence to illegal aliens.In other word's, an official govt. photo ID that can be used to facilitate everything from VOTING- for dems. i'm sure}, to obtaining govt. benefits{welfare}for people who aren't even American citizens. Smart, No?? . Hillary said "I have a million- ideas"---thoughtfully adding that"the country can't afford them all"
"NO KIDDING", wouldn't you agree Gary.

They are all about hype and probably don't believe half of what they themselves say. Nothing is so simple in the world as to be able to group millions of people in one mid set just because of political affiliation. It's like saying that no African American would be a Republican or that all women don't like sex or all men only think about sex. All of which I know to be false statements from first hand knowledge.

Gary hit the a-holes right in their hateful lying mouths .

It's always a pleasure to hear uneducated sound-bite historians like micky mouse try to re-write history to some partison advantage.

The Democrats invented "free love in the 60's" ?

That example tells you all you need to know about this fearful, angry ranter.

What a lot of hysterical crap. Although, I am grateful for the laughs.

I have older friends who were tear-gased and menaced while demonstrating at the Democratic National Convention in 1968.
They will be thrilled to learn that the party was busy planning a promotion of Free Love during that time.

I guess you will have to be insulted then because not one of those names can hold a candle to the despicable things I have been called right here on Gather by the left wing nasties.

Oh the despicable things I have been called right here on Gather by the right wing nasties !!!

Dan, you doing acid? James Carville? Nobody pays him 30,000,000.00 a year to herd sheep.

People who preach hatred and fear never work on the side of good. Period.

Our founding fathers didn't agree on any number of key issues, which helped explain the delay between the end of the Revolutionary war and the Constitution. They fought and wrangled over any number of issues (and it was a dissenters who added the original Bill of Rights to the Constitution).

But, back then, you could disagree and still be a patriot. You could disagree and still work together. The first of our founding fathers refused to stoop to campaigning and the kind of back-biting politics that mar today's government.

Anyone who says "those who aren't with me are against me" are clueless on what that guarantee of freedom of speech was all about.

Gary,
I wish I had written this. You are going to get a lot of flame when the Right-Wing Gatherites find it...but I think I know you well enough to know can take it.
You left a lot of people off that list though. Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Tony What's his name...
Mitt Romney insulted me the other night when he basically said that all good citizens were believers...and I am pretty sure he really meant Christian believers (but including Mormons, of course), even though he paid lip service to other religions. We nonbelievers are noncitizens as far as he is concerned.

Great job, Gary.

Well, I doubt micky and nanci will be back to this thread, but as to "Could you please tell me one thing your party has ever gotten right." here's a start. I'm sure some of my eloquent supporters can do a much better job:

The Democrats ended official forced segregation, thereby driving their own yellow-dog southern members into the Republican Party still today from which they rant like the blowhards I listed at the beginning of this article. I lived in Alabama during the '50s and saw filthy, broken drinking fountains with "Colored" signs mext to clean ones with "Whites only" signs. I listened to a friend of my father, a man I had looked up to, rail about "taking a baseball bat" down to the schools in Montgomery to show "those niggers" their place. He went on to serve in the Alabama legislature.

The Dems forced clean air on a resisting corporate culture that believed the smokestacks had to be black to make money. A hand-wringing Republican party screeched warnings of economic collapse if companies had to install anti-pollution equipment, while cities choked in their own filthy air.

Democratic pressure forced the lead out of gasoline, bringing about an incredibly steep decline in background lead concentration in the environment. Republicans were again whining about economic collapse, but today we see gasoline prices cheaper (in constant dollars) than in the early '70s.

I could go on and on, but the point is, Democrats think of the commonweal, Republicans think of themselves.

Bert:
Yeah, I started out to make a comprehensive list, but after getting that far, I figured it might take up the whole article.
And, yes, I could have included Carville on that list. His spewings are less than helpful to the debate.

Ron,
"Nobody pays him 30,000,000.00 a year to herd sheep."

Just like those on the left have been bitching about conservative talk radio for years, they are now bitching about conservative T.V.
Even CNN realized the moneymaking power of appealing to conservatives and is hosting the likes of Glenn Beck.

They age getting paid that much because many in society can "relate", as commentators they bring prospective customers by the millions for their respective employers to advertise to.
They do NOT heard sheep, they do Not lead they are a reflection of a large part of society and that is why liberals hate them so, because it reminds them that there are a lot of people out there that don't agree with what they say.

Personally I love it when I see the lefties react like this, it tells my that those conservative commentators are effective in getting our message out.

Dan:
"those conservative commentators are effective in getting our message out"
How disappointing that their message is so hateful.

It's sad to say, gut hateful is what sells to a certain segment of our society, Gary.

Hatred and fear are the most effective manipulative forces there are. They can sway millions, and have, to commit some of the most horrible crimes that have ever been committed. It's hard to overthrow those emotions. They can sway people even after the original "facts" have been readily disproven.

For thinking people, however, it is far less effective. Some people WILL NOT be manipulated. Nor do they respect those who manipulate others. Just because you can, doesn't mean it's good. In fact, history would indicate otherwise.

Gary, Bert, and Stephanie,
The only conservative out there that could even be considered "hateful" by any stretch of the imagination is Ann Coulter, but even she can't hold a candle to James Carville. But Ann is so good at getting liberals riled up, just like Carville does the same to conservatives with his vitriol.
In my life experiences I have seen much more hate coming from the left than from the right.
Just like Stephanie's post was an attempt to insinuate that the people on the right are not intelligent with her comment, "For thinking people, however," I think I detect a bit of hate creeping through there.
And the same can be said about Bert's, "It's sad to say, gut hateful is what sells to a certain segment of our society"
You try to lower those who disagree with you to add validity to your position.

Oh, I think Dobson and Robertson and their statements disparaging gays, threatening people with God's revenge if they don't conform to their beliefs. You don't call that hateful?

Dan,

I don't remember stating a side, liberal or conservative. I made a general statement about people who preach hatred and fear.

I do find it interesting, you automatically applied it to the right.

You're correct Stephanie, I assumed.
But that is what you meant, right Stephanie? and you are a liberal, right?

Bert,
I didn't say conservatives do not hate I said I have seen much more of it coming from the left than the right.

Gary, you are so correct ... and for a really good example of the type of BRAIN-WASHING that has been done, check out the thread I just came from ... keep your barf bag handy though.

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977198194

I didn't say conservatives do not hate I said I have seen much more of it coming from the left than the right.

I guess we are all sensitive to the content that offends us. My view would be the opposite.

Actually, Dan, that's NOT what I meant. I am not less offended by leftist finger pointers more interested in casting blame than fixing the problems (and some are quite willing to spread the hate) than I am by those on the right. I think Gary was perfectly justified in being upset by being labeled by his liberal tendencies. Judgement over labels is one of the things I'm objecting to, whoever is indulging in it.

It's interesting you made the assumptions you made because, on a thread on one of my own articles, I have a couple of liberals quick to tell me I was clearly a conservative, devoted to self and profit, since I didn't agree with them. There are capable thinking individuals on the right, left and middle, though they don't make the same level of noise as the hate-mongerers on either side (I haven't heard so many hate-mongering centrists, but I won't claim to be assiduously listening). I don't object to a location, but a practice: manipulation of the easily swayed.

It would be nice if we could support some things in politics because it pleased us instead of just being afraid or infuriated at the alternatives. That's no way to run a country.

To answer you, I refuse to take a label. I deal with the world on an issue by issue basis, do my own thinking and make up my own mind. On some issues I could be seen as conservative, on several others, I'm clearly liberal. For me, it is all about doing what is right, plain and simple.

OK, Dan, here's the synopsis, since you missed it:

Those commentators I listed above say all liberal hate America or are unpatriotic. They say all Liberals are immoral, and are trying to destroy the institution of marriage and have no regard for "family values. And please don't ask for a time and date of the quotes.


None of those accusations is true about me nor any of my Liberal friends. To make those blanket claims insults me, my background and America.

Your immediately personal, derogatory tone marks you as one of the followers of one or all of those blowhards and tends to support my argument.

However, I give you credit for hanging in on the discussion. There may be hope.

The good news is that people are waking up to this divisiveness and are voting "NO." The Fox channel is losing viewers.

That can't be good news for Rudy Giuliani.

You can fool all of the people some of the time...

I wouldn't count Guliani out of the race. The GOP might be forced to give him the nod.

I certainly don't count him out. The evangelicals may be divided, but at least one has endorsed him, & Romney's imploding. Ron Paul is the GOP's Howard Dean, and Huckabee's foibles will come out now that he's "top tier". No, I think ol' Rudy's got a good shot at it.

Rudy's problems won't hurt him in the final analysis. The fundamentalists will vote for him instead of Hillary or any other Democrat. They are genetically incapable of voting for a Democrat.

Right on, Gary. Democrats think the glass is half full. Republicans think the glass is THEIRS.

Good article and interesting discussion.
There is so much anger and hate from either extreme that they've lost sight of the basic underpinnings of a real Democratic nation. The function of dissenting opinions to open up discussions not rants so that all sides of an issue may be examined is necessary for democracy to work. If only one side is heard, whether left or right, then the balance is gone and chaos becomes imminent.
It seems we are getting closer to chaos with each day that passes...

Rudy has little chance of being elected ... but may well be on the Republican ticket because based upon the last eight years, he is just the kind of person the Right likes ... a lying corrupted dirty little bastard. Someone they think they would like to spend some time with in a bar having a beer ...

Bert,
I guess we are all sensitive to the content that offends us. My view would be the opposite.

I'm not offended by much, most of the time I just figure people are going to think what they want, and I'm aware of the realities of our society.
I've seen Democrats and liberals say things that would get a Republican or conservative roasted in the public arena.

Gary,
"OK, Dan, here's the synopsis, since you missed it:"
Oh I didn't miss it Gary, it's just that I know such a blanket, broad brush statement such as you made can not be true.
I have watched or listened to all of these people you mentioned and I know that all of them do NOT promote what you say they do.

Stephanie,
I stand corrected.

A difinite 10. Great write.