The Washington Times is running a piece about how Immigration groups feel about Mike Huckabee,
"He was an absolute disaster on immigration as governor," said Roy Beck,
president of NumbersUSA, a group that played a major role in rallying the phone
calls that helped defeat this year's Senate immigration bill. "Every time there
was any enforcement in his state, he took the side of the illegal
aliens."
Finally someone has stood up and called Huckabee on this point. While most Republican Candidates have taken strong views on Immigration Governor Huckabee has treated the issue with mostly fluff. He actually ran an ad in Iowa that said that his Immigration plan was "Chuck Norris." Governor Huckabee has risen in the polls while his record has remained rather unscruitinized. Huckabee was horrible on the issues of Immigration, Taxes, and Ethics while Governor of Arkansas. His administration defended Illegal Immigrants while trying to get them a tuition discount for college educations. The result of his time in office was a net increase in taxes. He also has many ethic complaints filed against him during the time he was Governor.
Mike Huckabee's record is not what he would want you to believe. It is easy to get glossed over when he is fed softball questions in the CNN debate that focused on the Bible and related issues. It is not difficult to give funny one-liners in thirty second debate responses it is much more difficult to lead. When you look at how Former Governor Mike Huckabee leads you realize he lacks the conservative principles that a Republican Nominee should have.
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He stated during the debate that his program helped current illegals gain legal status, AND provided aid for their children to attend college. Last I checked, anyone born in the US was considered a US citizen, regardless of where their parents were from.
"When you look at how Former Governor Mike Huckabee leads you realize he lacks the conservative principles that a Republican Nominee should have. "
None of these clowns is a conservative. Conservative republicans long ago abandoned today's diseased GOP.
The aid he seeked were not for people born in the United States.
The only true conservative is Fred Thompson.
All the proof we need not to nominate Huckabee is that Clark is defending him. That means the far left wants to run against him.
BTW Modern Fred Thompson is about as conservative as Mike or Rudy.
I disagree with you there on FDT. He has always been a conservative and a federalist. He has not changed for this run.
Can you document that? If you're correct, he flat out lied during the debate. I thought blatant lying was sort of the Bush/Romney/Guliani ticket. Gomer Pyle sort of came off as being pretty honest when I'd seen him interviewed.
"The only true conservative is Fred Thompson."
Give me a break. He's a neocon. He's all about illegal wars of naked aggression, illegal domestic spying, torture, and reckless debt spending. He also defends treason and obstruction of justice. Besides that, who could stomach the thought of listening to him say "Uh...umm....uh....ummmm....uh....um...." for the next 4 years? Forget it.
"All the proof we need not to nominate Huckabee is that Clark is defending him. That means the far left wants to run against him. "
Actually, none of these clowns is electable, so it really doesn't matter at all to me. All of them will collapse the moment people start to learn about who they are.
From the Arkansas Democray Gazette
Gov. Mike Huckabee is proposing extending eligibility for state-funded college scholarships to illegal aliens who graduate from Arkansas high schools — an idea that several legislators predicted will go nowhere.
"Huckabee said it's "terribly unjust"for a child who arrived in Arkansas at a young age and graduated from high school to be denied state-funded college scholarships because of a "a status that he had no control over." "Do we want to change the future for these kids? Then let's give them the opportunity. Let's not say that our doors are open but our opportunities are closed,"Huckabee said Tuesday in his State of the State Address to the General Assembly."
These college students may have gone to high schools in the U.S. but they are Illegals are came here Illegally.
You strategy to call everyone a neocon is old and tired. Fred is a conservative.
"Actually, none of these clowns is electable, so it really doesn't matter at all to me. All of them will collapse the moment people start to learn about who they are. "
The real clowns are the ones on the left that are pandering by promising everyone everything. They will be exposed for their higher taxes government handout system which has always been rejected by voters. Come on.
This isn't what he said during the debate. He's a liar.
"You strategy to call everyone a neocon is old and tired. Fred is a conservative."
It's not a "strategy," and I don't call "everyone" a neocon. Only neocons earn that title. Freddy is a neocon. Check out his record, and what he's on record as being in support of. Very little of his personal agenda could even remotely be called "conservative." If you think he's not, then you probably are a neocon as well. True conservatives abandoned the GOP long ago.
"The real clowns are the ones on the left that are pandering by promising everyone everything."
Gee, you're right. Nobody in the republican party EVER panders or promises anything. I don't think I've EVER heard any of those laughable losers in the GOP parade of loser candidates pander or promise. Come to think of it, you're probably right. Not a single one of them has a single thing to run on except fear, racism, hatred, and division. Talk about an old and tired strategy.
"They will be exposed for their higher taxes government handout system which has always been rejected by voters."
Excuse me, but every single democratic candidate has pledged LOWER taxes for all but Bush's "base." Meanwhile, neocon "trickle on" economics has brought massive tax welfare handouts to millionaires, while pushing higher local and state taxes onto the lower 99%. Equally, the drastic devaluation of the dollar, a tool made necessary by the uncontrollable, dangerously reckless republiCON debt spending and massive overbloating of the federal government, acts as a regressive tax on the middle class and working poor, by inflating the cost of everyday life.
You're living in a world of delusion, if you truly believe that you've benefited from neocon policies. Unless you're in the upper 1%, you're being screwed. Check the numbers. Your income has been stagnant since 1981, while those in the upper 1% have exploded exponentially. Coincidence? Hardly. It's the war against the middle class that was launched the moment Redink Ronnie took office and cranked up the failed neocon policies that brought us the great depression.
Oh, and btw, democrats won by a landslide in 2006. You might wanna check on that as well.
The only candidate that I think comes off as really representing "conservative principles" is Paul, and he is just too libertarian for most I think.
On conservative principles, here are the ones that I would be interested in:
Fiscal Conservatism - means don't spend money that you don't have. Period. Has nothing to do with "lowering taxes", as revenue (ie taxes) are just half the component. Those sorts of faux conservative ideas have gotten us into the debt crisis that we face today - I want to see someone who wants to get us out of the crisis - that would be a real conservative!
Constitutional Conservatism - Believing in, supporting, and defending the principles that the Constitution was founded on. 200+ years have passed, so I don't think that it is reasonable to expect that some level of interpretation will not be necessary, but anyone who supports wholesale abandonment of core principles of the Bill of Rights is as far from a conservative as you can get. I want to hear people talk about preserving the core of our Nation - the Constitution and the Bill of Rights - that will be a conservative.
International Politics - Simple. Mind your own business, unless there is some over-riding reason to stick your nose in someone else's business. If you support in any fashion what we have done in Iraq, don't even begin to use the word conservative.
Show me someone in the leadership of the Republican Party today who can claim ANY core conservative values - anyone. I think that there are some in the rank and file, but the extremists who have hijacked the Republican Party would never allow these moderates - the true conservatives - to assume leadership positions or run for president.
Try to reason with moronic moonbats like Komrade Kent or Komrade Barber and you get nothing but class warfare propaganda and lectures about the evils of capitalism all day long.
They're sad little caricatures.
Why are they here? Is there to be no fault placed on those who're hiring them? Why is it that republicans constantly resort to attacks against brown people? Believe it or not, if there weren't people in this country who were hiring illegals, there would be no illegals here.
Yes, part of the illegal immigration issue is also to severely fine employers who are capitalizing on their employment.
Oh, forgive me for seeing how the GOP works. The party is racist, and has historically gained support by exploiting that racist core. To deny this is to deny simple fact. Did you ever hear of the term "southern strategy?" What do you think that means?
Are you aware that the GOP has been on "probation" for decades by the FEC for illegal election caging, that intentionally sought to disenfranchise blacks?
Are you aware that they intentionally sought to disenfranchise blacks in 2000 and 2004?
Surely, you can't be so blind that you don't know that the GOP is a party that thrives on racism, are you? What do you think this illegal immigration issue is really about? When was the last time you recall an election in which republicans didn't have some ugly, divisive issue with which to whip up their base and bludgeon their opponents with, and it almost ALWAYS involves some big, bad, scary brown person?
Wake up and sniff the coffee.
THE solution to illegal immigration is to mandate stiff mandatory prison sentences and heavy fines to those who hire. Period. End of story.
-George Bush has appointed more minorities to government positions than any other president in the history of the country.
-The Democrats elected a former grand wizard of the KKK (Robert Byrd) to the Senate.
It was the so called tolerantleftist bloggers who referred to the Luitenant Governor of MD, Michael Steel as "little black sambo," oreo cookie," and uncle tom because he had the gall to be black and republican at the same time.
Don't you ever get tired of being a fucking idiot spreading inane bullshit moonbat rhetoric Komrade Kent?
Check your facts, junior.
"-The Democrats elected a former grand wizard of the KKK (Robert Byrd) to the Senate."
The republiCON party had a very serious presidential candidate who was a CURRENT KKK member and former grand wizard. At least Byrd has recanted and denounced his past. RepubliCONs have not only not recanted and denounced their past, but they continue to embrace it and attempt to grow and extend their racist legacy.
I can continue, if you'd like. Trent Lott and his racist support for outright racist Senator Geezer Windbag, who not only was a heroic wingnut racist, but was also a pedophile and rapist who fathered a child with a black adolescent. Ooopsies.
One of the leading republiCON candidates today is a member of the Mormon religion, which was widely known for its patently racist beliefs. Oooopsies!
Speaking of fucking idiots spreading inane bullshit huh, junior? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
You shouldn't play around with the big boys, little feller. You KNOW how much you get your ass handed to you when you do! Run along now...I hear your mommy calling! I think she's got a sucker for you!
Loser! HEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHEHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! My GOD, you're an easy piece of shit to kick around! I've missed punching your ugly, distorted, lying, pathetic face in!!!!
I would like to see you, just one time, argue an issue on its merits alone, without throwing in hate speech toward conservatives. I don't think you're capable of that, because as I said, you see everything but conservatives in some shade of grey. It's not really wrong, but it's not really right either, so anything Clark Kent wants to say about it is what everyone should think, especially if it's the opposite of what any conservative thinks.
You are showing that you have no clear moral character to allow you to determine whether something is right or wrong, in and of itself. You need to make it a partisan issue so that if Republicans think it's right, whatever it is, then it automatically goes from your gray perception to a black perception. If Republicans think it's wrong then, no matter what it is, it automatically goes from gray to white. Lots less gray matter exercise, I suppose, no pun intended. You need to start your own party. You can call it the Conservative Contrarians.
I'm sorry. I mistook this for a political discussion. My fault.
"Do you just fail to see the difference between right and wrong?"
Racism is wrong. Republicans embrace and exploit racism. That's wrong.
"except the ones that clearly corner ALL conservatives into the bowels of hell? "
Until REAL conservatives rise up and cast aside the vile model of hatred, divisiveness, fear, and racism that their "leaders" have created for them, all "conservatives" are at fault. Nobody would be a republican if they didn't embrace the racism that goes along with it.
"I would like to see you, just one time, argue an issue on its merits alone, without throwing in hate speech toward conservatives."
I don't hate conservatives. I pity them. They have no political representation. Their party has been overtaken by a group of extremists, racists, bigots, hate merchants, murderers, and torturers. It's not the fault of conservatives, necessarily, that their party has been hijacked. It IS the fault of conservatives that the pattern continues, because until the REAL conservatives rise up to take that party back, it is doomed.
"You are showing that you have no clear moral character to allow you to determine whether something is right or wrong, in and of itself."
Because I detest racism and the way republicans exploit it? I guess that means you truly do support it.
Bear in mind, Sue, that I have only become so passionately opposed to the GOP because of the way that the GOP has become. This is PRECISELY the way that the GOP propaganda ministers have been preaching for decades. I'm merely speaking in their own language.
You seem like you have enough intelligence to realize what the republican party has become, and to avoid voting republican, until the party has found a way to correct itself. You sound as if you may, in fact, be a real conservative. If that's so, there is nothing for you in this party any longer. They no longer hold family values, they have no fiscal responsibility, they have exploded the size of the federal government by 25% in just 7 years, they have launched an illegal and unnecessary war based solely on lies, they have violated our civil liberties, they have committed treason and obstruction of justice, they have lied repeatedly, they have stolen, raped, tortured, murdered, and committed unimaginable thefts of the national treasury. Worst of all, they have staunchly DEFENDED all of these despicable actions.
How can YOU, if you truly ARE a conservative, continue to support this twisted, anti-American behavior? Can you not see how far off track your party has fallen?
So I took an issue that you thought rather safe and turned it into an attack on that putrid, decaying mass known as the GOP. I have called them exactly what they are. It's no accident that they've chosen brown people to villify as the centerpiece of their 2008 campaign season.
In 2000, it was blacks that they attacked. In 2002, 2004, and 2006, it was anyone of middle eastern descent. The pattern never changes, only the enemy. It's either gays, women, blacks, browns, mormons, muslims, jews, or whatever. It doesn't matter who the enemy is, because the same purpose is served regardless. The base whips into a fever and turns out en masse in a sort of sick Pavlovian response to whatever enemy the party chooses to target.
I don't attack the republican party because I disagree with conservative ideals. I share a lot of those ideals. I attack the republican party because they have cast aside those ideals, and because they have chosen to embrace and exploit racism and hatred, in order to divide and conquer, rather than to seek to unite. They are a cancer at present, and it's time people starting waking up to realize that.
I'm sorry. I mistook this for a political discussion. My fault.
"Do you just fail to see the difference between right and wrong?"
Racism is wrong. Republicans embrace and exploit racism. That's wrong.
"except the ones that clearly corner ALL conservatives into the bowels of hell? "
Until REAL conservatives rise up and cast aside the vile model of hatred, divisiveness, fear, and racism that their "leaders" have created for them, all "conservatives" are at fault. Nobody would be a republican if they didn't embrace the racism that goes along with it.
"I would like to see you, just one time, argue an issue on its merits alone, without throwing in hate speech toward conservatives."
I don't hate conservatives. I pity them. They have no political representation. Their party has been overtaken by a group of extremists, racists, bigots, hate merchants, murderers, and torturers. It's not the fault of conservatives, necessarily, that their party has been hijacked. It IS the fault of conservatives that the pattern continues, because until the REAL conservatives rise up to take that party back, it is doomed.
"You are showing that you have no clear moral character to allow you to determine whether something is right or wrong, in and of itself."
Because I detest racism and the way republicans exploit it? I guess that means you truly do support it.
Bear in mind, Sue, that I have only become so passionately opposed to the GOP because of the way that the GOP has become. This is PRECISELY the way that the GOP propaganda ministers have been preaching for decades. I'm merely speaking in their own language.
You seem like you have enough intelligence to realize what the republican party has become, and to avoid voting republican, until the party has found a way to correct itself. You sound as if you may, in fact, be a real conservative. If that's so, there is nothing for you in this party any longer. They no longer hold family values, they have no fiscal responsibility, they have exploded the size of the federal government by 25% in just 7 years, they have launched an illegal and unnecessary war based solely on lies, they have violated our civil liberties, they have committed treason and obstruction of justice, they have lied repeatedly, they have stolen, raped, tortured, murdered, and committed unimaginable thefts of the national treasury. Worst of all, they have staunchly DEFENDED all of these despicable actions.
How can YOU, if you truly ARE a conservative, continue to support this twisted, anti-American behavior? Can you not see how far off track your party has fallen?
So I took an issue that you thought rather safe and turned it into an attack on that putrid, decaying mass known as the GOP. I have called them exactly what they are. It's no accident that they've chosen brown people to villify as the centerpiece of their 2008 campaign season.
In 2000, it was blacks that they attacked. In 2002, 2004, and 2006, it was anyone of middle eastern descent. The pattern never changes, only the enemy. It's either gays, women, blacks, browns, mormons, muslims, jews, or whatever. It doesn't matter who the enemy is, because the same purpose is served regardless. The base whips into a fever and turns out en masse in a sort of sick Pavlovian response to whatever enemy the party chooses to target.
I don't attack the republican party because I disagree with conservative ideals. I share a lot of those ideals. I attack the republican party because they have cast aside those ideals, and because they have chosen to embrace and exploit racism and hatred, in order to divide and conquer, rather than to seek to unite. They are a cancer at present, and it's time people starting waking up to realize that.
That's nothing to the fear Democrats use in their approach to minorities. They say don't vote for those racist repubs. Vote for us and we will give you all kinds of government handouts. Then the Dems have nothing to offer but bullshit ineffective government welfare programs that keep minorities down by keeping them dependent on the government and prevent them from become self sufficient to provide their own welfare.Dems do a very good job of keeping minorities ont he plantation. Ihave to hand it to them.
and USA Today..... threads) ? Maybe it's because when one of his own left wingers disagrees with him, he can't handle that, and so starts calling us Republicans.
Seems like an awful lot of writing here Clark. Not much from you in those other threads.
CK said: "I'm sorry. I mistook this for a political discussion. My fault."
Politics is the study of government. Partisanship is a bias toward one or another philosophy of HOW that government should be run. There is a substantial difference between the words partisanship and politics. I thought you might already have known this.Sorry to have given you so much credit. My fault.
Sue B. asked: "Do you just fail to see the difference between right and wrong?"
CK replied: "Racism is wrong. Republicans embrace and exploit racism. That's wrong."
CK clearly failed to answer the question, as he usually does, and it's such a flippin' pain in the butt for anyone to bother to go through all this that he usually gets away with his rhetorical answers.
CK takes this phrase of Sue B.s out of context, making it mean absolutely nothing so he can answer whatever he wants and make it sound credible: "except the ones that clearly corner ALL conservatives into the bowels of hell? "
CK answers to the out of context phrase with this: "... Nobody would be a republican if they didn't embrace the racism that goes along with it."
This statement clearly says that CK thinks that ALL Republicans are racists. I guess there is no Republican who has ever married an African American or any other race outside his own. There are no children of these racist Republicans who are loved and cherished, because at least one of their parents, the one who's Republican, is a racist.
What if both parents are Republicans? Guess the kid is doomed! What an idiotic statement that was for you to make. Do you ever read aloud these comments you make and play them back into a tape recorder to listen to yourself? You should!
Sue B. said: "I would like to see you, just one time, argue an issue on its merits alone, without throwing in hate speech toward conservatives."
CK answers: "I don't hate conservatives..." He goes on and on in this vain, all about conservatives, never once addressing that he can or cannot discuss an issue on merit alone. We know he can't, but at least he could have made a feeble attempt to stutter a rebuttal in his own behalf.
CK answers: "I don't hate conservatives..." He goes on and on in this vain, all about conservatives, never once addressing that he can or cannot discuss an issue on merit alone. We know he can't, but at least he could have made a feeble attempt to stutter a rebuttal in his own behalf.
Sue B. said: "You are showing that you have no clear moral character to allow you to determine whether something is right or wrong, in and of itself."
CK answers: "Because I detest racism and the way republicans exploit it? I guess that means you truly do support it."
Sue B. is a Republican, so Sue B. is a racist.
We're back to that again. Republican = racist is the formula for understanding Clark Kent's convoluted logic. That's the postulate from which he bases all truth. Without that understanding, it's no wonder everything he says makes ZERO sense. This reminds me of what I once told you, Clark. We cannot argue on anything because of the premise upon which we build those arguments. One premise is based on truth and the other on lies. With that, it would be silly for me to continue. You believe your lies and there's nothing that can convince you otherwise. You have a blind faith in them. So sad.