With the first round of the Crime contest a little more than half over, I just want to give contestants and readers a little perspective on what this contest is all about. This is the third contest of this nature I've been in on Gather, and I think I've finally figured out at least part of how they really work.
First, the theory: Gather holds these contests as a promotion. The contests bring in new people to Gather, and those new people bring in their friends to vote in the contest. Gather has more people which means more advertising revenue.Â
The contest in theory sorts out the top entries, which are then sent to a committee which picks one or more to publish. The public gets a voice in what actually gets published by voting for their favorite entries. Gather sorts through the entries that didn't get enough votes to get into the top 15 and picks 10 to advance to the next round. That keeps good entries from getting overlooked because the author doesn't have a lot of friends in Gather.
What's actually going on:
So how well does all of this work? Well, the popular vote part of it doesn't work particularly well. I'll explain why I think that later. The Gather pick part seems to work better. Last contest Gather did a reasonably good job with their picks. They didn't get all of the good entries, but the entries they did pick were generally quite good.
What about this popular vote thing? What's wrong with it? The main problem with the popular vote is that there simply aren't enough reasonably impartial readers involved to make the good entries rise and the bad ones fall much. It would probably take about 10 times the number of readers that are currently involved for the popular vote part of this to produce meaningful results. That's not Gather's fault, and I'm sure they would dearly love to see additional readers descend on the contest.
Let's put some numbers to the problem. According to Rand's statistics, 56 non-contestant readers have commented on 8 or more entries so far in the contest.  I figure that's a good approximation of the number of readers doing more than just reading entries from their friends. Those 56 readers have made a total of 826 comments. If those comments were spread evenly among the 268 contestants, that would be a little over 3 comments per contestant.
In addition 60 contestants have commented on 8 or more entries. That's probably a pretty good approximation of the number of contestants making a serious effort in the contest. Those contestants have made 1856 comments so far. That averages out to a little under 7 comments per entry. Â
What does that all mean? Well, assuming that all of the contestants are really rating their fellow contestants fairly, that would mean that on average a good entry would be about 10 votes ahead of a bad entry at this point. Unfortunately, I'm reasonably sure that since the contestants are human some of them aren't giving scores based totally on the quality of the entry. Some are playing the "I'll give you a ten if you give me a ten" game. Some may even be rating good entries low and bad entries high in an effort to knock out good competitors. Let's say that about sixty percent of the contestants are giving honest ratings. If you work out the math, that would mean that on average a good entry would be about seven votes ahead of a bad one at this point.  Assuming that the readers and contestants keep up at this rate, that difference may grow to fourteen votes by the end of this round.Â
Now the votes probably aren't distributed evenly over the entries, so this may understate the impact of the unbiased votes somewhat. I start to read a lot more entries than I end up rating or commenting on, probably three or four times as many. If something doesn't appeal to me I'll simply move on to the next entry without rating or commenting. If that's common, which I suspect it is, the difference average difference between good and a bad entry might be in the 20 to 25 vote range now, and that might eventually rise to 40 to 50 by the end of the contest. That's probably a pretty good ballpark figure.
Unfortunately those seven or twenty, or even fifty votes can be totally overwhelmed by some non-quality factors:
- A lot of people brought cheering sections, some of them fifty or even a couple hundred strong.
- Some people have been on Gather quite a while and have dozens if not hundreds of friends willing to vote for them.
- At least a couple of contestants will play the sympathy card effectively.
- Some contestants belong to small, but tight-knit companies or organizations where people will vote for them en masse. It doesn't take more than a few hundred people voting in that manner to overwhelm the small number of unbiased readers.
- If your entry doesn't totally stink you can generate votes at a fairly predictable and high rate by using Gather's social networking. In the First Chapters Romance contest I got over 230 votes in each round, mainly by using the social networking facilites. That was good enough to put me unofficially in tenth place in both the prelims and the semi-finals. I found that the number of votes I got was pretty much a function of how much time I was willing to spend soliciting votes. I averaged between two and three votes per hour over what I would have normally gotten for each hour I spent soliciting votes.Â
You may be a little skeptical about that last one, since I've only gotten about 60 votes so far this contest, but there are a couple of reasons I'm not playing the social networking card this time around. First, I don't have time. I've been tied up in rural Wisconsin with no Internet access about half the time during this contest, and that will get worse the last half of the contest. Second, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to spend as much time as it would take to win this thing that way. I figure I would probably gotten around 80 votes last time around without the social network marketing. I actually got 230+. Let's say the social networking got me 150 votes each round of the contest, and I spent on average an hour for every 3 votes I got. That's 100 hours over the course of the contest. And it would have probably taken twice that many hours to actually make the finals. Since only 3 people get to the finals based on popular vote, all it takes to make all of that social networking futile is 3 people with more time to spend on social networking than you can spend.
Now to be fair, the social networking business does have a quality component too. If something stinks, it will take more effort to generate votes for it, and a higher percentage of those votes will not be tens. If something is really excellent it will require less effort and generate a higher percentage of tens.  I think I had prettygood entry last contest, and that did play a role in how successful my social networking was.
 Bottom line: Unless a lot of new readers join in, good entries will tend to rise slightly and bad ones will tend to fall slightly on average.  That tendency will be overwhelmed by the number of votes that aren't based on quality. It only takes three contestants with mediocre entries and a willingness to apply one of those non-quality factors, and you end up with no publishable entries chosen by popular vote. If that happens, the publisher will choose one or more of the Gather picks.
So what do we as contestants do about that?Â
- Understand what the real value of the contest is. Most of us (at least 266 out of 268) aren't going to come out of this as published writers. We can come out of it with more comments on our novels than we would normally get in a year or two. We can come out of it with a lot of exposure for our writing. We can come out with contacts with other writers. This is all free and very much worth it.
- Don't obsess on winning. A lot of people do. I did both times I entered before. I'm trying not to this time. If you obsess, I can guarantee that by the end of the 3+ weeks you will be burned out and the contest will be a bad experience for you.
- Vote honestly on as many contestants as you can. I'm not the one to be guilt-tripping you on that because so far I've only been able to give to 20 to 25 entries a full review. I have read at least a couple of paragraphs of around 150 more and picked out around 50 I want to download and read on my laptop while I'm trapped up in Wisconsin. It really is up to us as to whether this contest is just a popularity contest or not.
- If you know any avid readers, point them to the contest and turn them loose.
The vote honestly part of that sounds kind of scary. What if you give someone a 10 and that's the difference between them getting into the next round and you getting into the next round? When you think about it though there is only one situation where that would matter. If you end up in 16th place and you gave number 15 a ten you could potentially mess yourself up. On the other hand I'm guessing that if someone is in 16th place by one vote they are probably going to be one of the Gather picks unless they're pretty bad. No guarantees of that, of course.
The ways that how you vote help or hurt your chances can be rather subtle. For example: Let's say you come across a really good entry. Well, if you give it lower score than it deserves that may actually backfire on you and hurt your chances. If you don't get into the top 15 by number of votes, your only chance of making the semi-finals is through being a Gather pick. Any good entry that isn't in the top 15 will be competing with you for one of those ten Gather pick slots. If you aren't going to be in the top 15 yourself you want as many of the good entries as you can get in those 15 slots so you don't have to compete with them for the Gather 10. Make sense?
Another tactic that can backfire badly: I'm pretty sure that at least a few contestants are systematically giving strong entries very low scores in an attempt to 'bury' them. That could very well backfire in a couple of ways. First, while the contestant may not know who gave them low scores, Gather can if they want to. They have the information. They have to track it in order to keep people from voting twice. I'm just guessing here, but I suspect that Gather could easily pick out contestants that do that sort of thing and simply quietly disqualify them or not pick them as Gather picks.
 The other way this can backfire is more subtle. If a good entry is buried down in the bottom third of the rankings and Gather finds it as a Gather pick, that entry is going to stand out in the minds of whoever Gather uses to make their picks. That makes it more likely that the entry will also be a Gather pick in the semi-finals. In the last contest the eventual winner was in the bottom third of the entries at the end of the first round, probably partly because people tried to bury it. It was an outstanding entry and probably would have won anyway, but the fact that it was so low in the ratings probably gave it a boost in Gathers' eyes.
I hope this helps put the contest in perspective. If any veterans of FC1 or FCR read this and want to chime in, feel free. You may have some different perspectives.Â
 I revised this aritcle on December 2nd to reflect some things about the contest I hadn't thought through earlier. I also want to emphasize that nothing in this article is intended to minimize the hard work and accomplishments of the authors who eventually reach the semi-finals and the finals by having a good entry and marketing it honestly.
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 Just so you know about my potential biases: I am a contestant in the Crime contest. My entry is Char, a present day police procedural with a science fiction twist.
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Comments: 41
I'd like to know what ugly kid won. What desperate creep could unfairly rank a baby low. There should be a committee that ranks and the rest be dam*ed. I am now not allowed to post photos of one my most gorgeous grandbabies because Mom was so angry. So, I feel your pain. Pearls before swine. It's a problem with mass emailing, too.
My advice to contestants? Go over the comments of others. Find readers who are willing to give an honest critique and PERSONALLY ask them to review your entry.
Having done so, give careful consideration to what was said and how it can improve your writing. Don't argue with them or defend your piece, just look for how they might be right. They be way off base, but all the same a publisher doesn't want to work with a defensive, combative author. And remember it takes time to do an honest and thorough critique.
The best thing I got out of the two previous contests? Tips on how to improve my writing.
I also don't read entries when I get one of those stupid mass e-mails that starts with "I never do this, but..........."
You want my opinion, ask me. Just a personal rant, there.
To date, I have picked winners in both the FC competitions Gather has held. And I picked those winners in the first round.
Not to toot my own horn, but I think I'm a pretty good judge of what's a viable, commercial, piece of work.
FWIW, my two cents.
I gave Char a 10 because I liked it and I also liked the 20 semolians you promised me.
I like your style and the twist.
Blessings
I read your story and really liked it,I rated you 10.Good luck.
And, Betsy and Chandra, I hear you both about the mass emails -- I strike off my list anyone who sends one because I find that approach insulting. HOWEVER, that approach works -- it's worked in all three FC contests. So do other tactics that are legal but I find distasteful for how they game Gather's system. But since they work, can you blame the people who employ them?
In the end, for the contestants, it's all a personal choice at "how" you want to win and "what" you consider a win to be. My moral compass is simple: I have to look at myself in the mirror. I'm the one who has to know what feels right to me and what feels like gaming the system. And a win to me includes being proud of how I conduct myself in this contest.
We have a saying down here since K: Be Nice Or Leave.
Do you: Want feedback? Want to get your name out there? Want bragging rights? Want to tick people off by arguing with their comments? Want to annoy people who have been through 2 other FC contests and the mass emails?
I was new to Gather for FC1. I finalled in the Top 20 with the only Romance. Hence, when the FC Romance was announced, I had over 100 Gather friends ask me to participate. I did. I finished in the Top 5 and got an agent.
I also spent every waking moment either thinking about the contest or being on Gather. Would I do it again? I have a mystery and I didn't enter. That's the answer.
Gather is a great place to visit, but as Dale said, obsessing is, well, obsessive. It doesn't win you the contest. It WON'T win you the contest. It could win you $500. If you do the math for every hour I spent on this contest, well, I don't want to know what my hourly rate is, but it's pretty low. As Dale pointed out, the winner was in the bottom third of entries. She was pulled through every round as an editor's pick because THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLISHER WANTED TO PUBLISH. She wrote a good story that the publisher was looking for. That's why she won. She had, I believe (and don't quote me) but 65 (+/-) votes.
Write a good story. Write a story the publisher wants. That's how you win.
Oh, and send personalized emails. We've been through too many mass emailings to appreciate it.
I'm sort of hard pressed to see how getting a good score can lower mine but apparently every time I get a good score from someone, someone else comes in to make sure I keep going downward. Good job whomever you are and it all comes back to bite you in the butt eventually. I'll be glad when the personality contest is over and the judging begins. I hope Gather is watching this. I had a 9.5 rating when I had 48 votes, then I got 10 more votes, fell to a 9.3 (even though I personally knew a lot of the last 10 voters and knew what they voted) and then to a 9.1 and today despite the fact that I've had only 2 votes and one of those was a 10, I'm still falling and am at 9.0
If in fact, Gather wants to run contests to get people to their site, I don't think it is helpful nor very encouraging not to count the votes on a 1-10 basis mainly because I've gone to a lot of contests and voted and almost never give a 10 vote. Who is perfect? A 9 vote is a good vote, so is an 8 but in this contest, only a 10 counts and I'm sad to say some shameless people out there are using that as a jump board to their own gratification and discouraging all the writers out there that are really good.
Enough said and I can't agree more than with June above who said: "We're all winners here." And, to add, good luck to all of you out there and keep writing, keep learning and keep trying.
Bonnie W
I second, third, fourth... the advice which states that you should really be looking for more than a win. Otherwise you'll lose, but you CAN be a guaranteed winner. You just need to review your expectations. Remember there is no magic pill, like everything else in life it takes work.
Best of luck and enjoy your time here on Gather.
I didn't enter this contest because my work doesn't qualify however I vowed to read and rate and comment on as many entries as I can in order to help keep the contest fair. (yeah, ask me how that's going).
I've read some really good entries that have very low ratings and I can only assume they're low because the other contestants (or their friends) felt threatened by the talent. I've also read a few entries that have high ratings that make me want to smack the reader and say what are you thinking??
When I read I do so as a reader, a contest judge (of which I'm qualified by RWA standards), and a writer (giving advice passed to me by some very talented authors)...hence my comments/suggestions are given in the same way.
That said....if you'd like me to read your entry, please send me an invite. However, please stop by and read my what to expect from me type article so you know what to expect from me.
:-)
This info helps put things into perspective, expecially for those new to gather and contests. Judi, Vivian, Anne, Wendy, and Terri, all have valid points.
Speaking for myself, I will not give you a 10, simply because I like the contestant personally, or in sympathy. That's an insult I feel, both to the other contestants and the entrant. The entrant because it's not honest feedback. It's like your mother reading it and telling you, "It's wonderful dear." and she said the same about all those tacky pictures you drew and put up on the refridgerator. She's your mom, your friend, your family, and they are suppose to say that. It doesn't mean its an honest accessment of talent.
Like Judi said. Don't argue with the commenter--yes, I know some of them may not be tactful, but arguing with them on your thread makes you look like an officious ass. I know it turns me off as does bickering with other contestants, publicly or retaliating with DB's. If you really want honest feedback, then don't complain when other writers do that and it doesn't fit with our perception of our story. Hey, it's your baby and you are predjudiced--and should be.
Mass e-mails ARE irrating. Especially when the contestant doesn't bother checking to see if the people on that list have already read your entry. I found that PERSONAL
But personal invitations worked best for me, when I was a contestant. If I receive a nicely worded 'invitation' to read, if I have the time, I will read it.
The best thing that I got out of the contest, was education--reading all those entries sure show what does and doesn't work and why. Friends, supporters, and exposure--lots of laughter and teasing, which is fun. That was the greatest prize. If I ask anyone of them to read something I written, I know I will get a honest 'read' some critiques, and lots of encouragement to continue. Challenges to be better, points on the publishing field--all neccesary things that writers need to get published...
Don't underestimate editor's picks. Last contest, there were two chosen as winners. Gather bypassed the FIVE top contenders in votes to award that prize. Like Mark said, there are no real shortcuts to publishing or winning a contest.
There is a saying: "attitude is everything.." very true. Makes you ask, what's the attitude Gather members are seeing when they look at you?
I read a lot of words about this being a popularity contest, how the people at the top don't belong there, but not one of the people saying that have bothered to take a look at my entry. Maybe I don't belong near the top, but I have worked to get there. I have even told dozens of other contestants how to get votes. For a short time I was ranked #1, which thrilled me, because I was never #1 at anything in my life, but then I found out that it's no better than being at the bottom where I usually am. And it's working against me. I only got about six comments that I did not personally ask for. And there must be dozens I asked for from people whose opinion I valued who ignored me, even though they said they would look at any entry who asked them personally.
This might sound like a whine, but it isn't. I'm just letting everyone know that there's no point in complaining about rankings. If you want to put in the time, you can get votes. But in the end, it truly does not matter. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the winner hasn't already been chosen.
This is no longer fun for me, but I did get fodder for my blog. In fact, for me the real prize came from the Court TV website, where I found this quote "One blogger reads the entries for the Search for the Next Great Crime Writer Contest, and then imparts his wisdom to other aspiring writers here
My point is that there is no reason to be nasty to each other. Top or bottom, good or bad, we're basically all the same -- unpublished writers.
More Deaths Than One
Currently I would say that five out of the top ten are excellent stories. Three I haven't read yet. One definitely got there by gaming the system. Another one probably did.
Generally the good stuff does tend to rise in these contests, especially now that DB1s no longer count. If you look at about the top 50, they are in general noticeably better than the bottom 50. The really bad ones near the top are an exception, not the rule. The really good ones near the bottom are also an exception, not the rule.
As to the ratings not meaning anything: actually they do mean something. Three out of the five entries that the publisher looks at are determined that way. However, the three levels are independent. You can have the top rating in the first round, but you start from zero ratings again for the semifinals. If you aren't in the top three and you aren't a Gather pick you won't be a finalist, no matter how well you did in the first round. In the same way, you may get twice as many points as anyone else does in the semi-finals, but you start at the same place everyone else does in the finals. A Gather pick that was dead last in the semi-finals ratings has exactly the same chance you do.
In other words, if good stuff gets to the finals by either route it has a chance to win.
I have only just started skipping entries that really don't interest me - when this started I was trying to read them all - untenable, as I have an awful lot on my plate right now with work, etc. Now, I find myself reading through the comments on each article (my learning experience) and going to those authors whose comments I run across the most. Hoping beyond hope that they'll return the favor and take a gander at my entry. So far it's working OK - not great, but OK. I'm one of the newbies to Gather, as you talk about above, and just don't have time to do a whole lot of networking (in fact, I really need to get back to work, NOW!).
Thanks for this well-thought article. It helps me keep everything in perspective. If you get a chance, I hope you'll stop by and take a look at my entry, Identity Crisis.
Kenna
But I disagree with you for this reason -- I've learned a lot from other writers in both FC1 and FCC.
And yes, I am nice. Thank you for noticing.
I didn't know you had an entry in this contest.
And I would like to read Bear Country.
There was one in the first, First Chapters contest I saw (Terry Shaw won)
It was sci-fi and I thought it was brilliant.
And
I would like to read Bear Country.