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by Dave McGill
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January 23, 2006

the contrarian - Alerts and Elections, Are They Related?

November 17, 2007 12:20 AM EST
views: 204 | rating: 9.5/10 (42 votes) | comments: 88

The Terror Alert page of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security says the following:

“Raising the threat condition has economic, physical and psychological effects on the nation.”

In a similar vein, writer Kurt Nimmo of Las Cruces, New Mexico linked higher threat levels to anxiety and paranoia in the general American population, as published in CounterPunch.

Also, Brigitte L. Nacos, Adjunct Professor at Columbia University, published a study showing that higher threat levels resulted in increases in President Bush’s popularity. It could also be said that the same goes for the Republican Party which has been described as being perceived by the electorate as the strongest party in terms of national security.

So, with all this awareness of the effectiveness of these alerts, the question is this - have they been used as a political weapon in attempts to influence voters?

First of all, it should be understood that, while there are five threat levels, the bottom two have never been used during this war on terror, so we are essentially only dealing with the upper three. For the record, here are the five threat levels:

SEVERE………...Red Alert

HIGH…………....Orange Alert

ELEVATED…….Yellow Alert

GUARDED………Blue Alert

LOW……………..Green Alert

The quickest way to see if there is a possible connection between these alerts and our political campaigns is simply to look at the dates that they were announced in relation to the elections themselves.

So, beginning with the first election after the start of our war on terror, which was the midterm election of November, 2002, we find that the terror alert was, in fact raised to HIGH for two weeks ending September 24th, less than two months before the election.

As for the presidential election of November 2, 2004, it was preceded by a HIGH alert that extended from 12/21/03 to 1/9/04, just before the primary season, and another HIGH alert that ran from 8/1/04 to the week after the election.

In addition, official terror warnings that didn’t involve elevated alert levels were issued on May 28, 2004, about six months before the election, and on July 8, 2004, four months before the election.

With respect to the midterm election of 11/7/06, which was known to be going badly for the Republican Party, a SEVERE alert was issued from August 10, 2006 to August 14, 2006, concentrating on flights from the UK, less than three months before the election.

Since August 10, 2006, we have also been on HIGH alert with respect to international flights.

Other than these alerts, which clearly occurred during active campaign cycles, there were only two other episodes. One episode involved three quick HIGH alerts that took place at the time of our invasion of Iraq in the February to May period of 2003.

The other was a HIGH alert issued in July, 2005 at the time of the London bombing, and was restricted to mass transit only.

Of those alerts that occurred during election cycles, most were based on intelligence from foreign sources, with two exceptions. The alert in ‘02 was simply because it was the first anniversary of 9/11, and the alert in ‘06 was because of the uncovering of a terror plot in England.

Some critics have speculated that President Bush has employed the alert system more for political reasons than for national security. This was particularly true with respect to the alert in 2004 which covered a three month period ending the week after the election and which could have been a factor in Bush’s close victory. The “foreign intelligence” behind that one, as with all, was not divulged.

The critics voicing their concern included Al Kamen on 10/13/04 in “Will Terror Alert Level Show Its True Colors?,” The Washington Post on 5/16/06 in an article entitled “Dems Question Timing of Terror Alert,” and FOX News on 8/4/04.

These are the facts. What’s your opinion?

Dave McGill, News Correspondent……………….

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Comments: 88

Clarke M. Nov 17, 2007, 12:41am EST
Odd, isn't it, that the UK government's alerts follow the same pattern?
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Dave McGill Nov 17, 2007, 12:48am EST
George, you raised a good question, and I appreciate that....

I would tend to think that if the electorate sees the Republican party as being the toughest on security, than so would the terrorists.

And, if that is the situation, than a case could be made that terrorists would be less likely to commit terrorist acts during election cycles, so as to avoid helping the party that might be tougher on them...
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Debra C. Nov 17, 2007, 1:08am EST
Because 9/11 happened during W's tenure, and we haven't experienced the Dems in the White House yet, it will be interesting to see if this happens during both party's administrations. This WH has seemed to spin toward fear, however ... we can hope 2009 will bring us a change.
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John Knight Nov 17, 2007, 1:16am EST
David,

The hypothetical premise of your article is what is often called; "circumstantial".

But your comment is more to my liking; "razor logic".
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Kathryn E. Nov 17, 2007, 1:36am EST
Oh my. I find this country to be a particularly paranoid one - both with and without reason to be so.
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Donna M. Nov 17, 2007, 1:49am EST
Interesting concept - but I tend to lean towards coincidence...I don't know of anyone who think of the Republicans being tougher on terror...they spend more money and some of them are making lots of it building and supplying war items...but in listening to the recent debates, its the Democrats who were very vocal about coming down hard on the countries that have been sending items to sell that have been so toxic...that evidently this administration has sent a few "don't do that again reminders..." and have not provided enough systems to inspect the items before they get into the country... when as they all seem to agree, we should have cut them off the first time....I think because the Democratic Partly tends to be more of the working class and employers who have created their own success through hard work....(did not grow up with it) I just feel they have a survival instinct to protect or save or keep safe that would tend to be harder on the terrorists...just second nature...If you look back in history, it was the average man that was fighting to defend the land and the values of the constitution...it was not the Congress that was out on the battlefield.

A long time ago my grand mother made a statement I really did not understand until recently...she was an immigrant, only went to school to 5th grade and then cleaned houses to help support the family....but during the depression she was widowed and she started baking cookies that she sold to local stores - called Deans Home baked cookies...she and her sister-in-law would get up at 5am start the wood stove bake the cookies and then go deliver them...with in a year she had several salesmen on a payroll...they worked very hard...sadly, on the day of the crash, she was going to the bank with a $3000 Deposit to cover payroll and expenses and the bank door was locked...she pounded on the glass door and the banker opened the door to tell her they were closed...she was adamant by telling them she had to write checks for her help and she needed to make that deposit...Guess what...he so oh well - then you can come in....took the money and gave her a receipt and the next day she found out she no longer had anything in the bank...

My point is...you have corporate blue blood Americans and then you have the worker that makes the corporation what it is...and gives them their success....I am not saying this is wrong...I am simply explaining why I think the way I do...when it comes to protection, survival and safety...which is all about terrorist...its not the conservative republican they need to be afraid of....
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James C. Nov 17, 2007, 1:50am EST
David,

Very good question! I tend to think that such things as terror alerts can be from actual information leading to greater risk or political expediency! Frankly, I'm not satisfied that the Department of Homeland Security is actually working to improve the safety of our nation. The agencies that have collected this kind of data have been in place in this country for a long time and simply needed to talk to one another. The creation of the department was very much political, an effort to "do something!"

Fear is a well worn and successful tool in the manipulation of public opinion so I don't think there is a snowball's chance in the eternal den of atonement that the administration has not used the alerts as a means of manipulating voters. This would be true regardless of party in charge.

I think we are a little full of ourselves when we think that the terrorists are that attuned to the impulses of our people or that they even give a hoot about real life in America.
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Donna M. Nov 17, 2007, 1:54am EST
Oh - sorry - I got so carried away with her little story, I forgot to mention the statement...she would say - Remember when someone is trying to impress you with who they are and what they do for a living....just because they have a lot of book learning, dose not mean they have any common sense - half of them could not find their way out of a paper bag......Oh well
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John Knight Nov 17, 2007, 2:09am EST
Donna,

Hat's off to you. That comment positively sizzles with wisdom.
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Kathy W. Nov 17, 2007, 2:11am EST
Point made above: "And if Kerry had won would you be writing the same article?" Well, NO, of course NOT! We'd be defending the upcoming "tax and spend" diatribes that will begin as soon as the citizens of the US get someone in office with "a higher-than-85 IQ."
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jJack Midknight Nov 17, 2007, 2:31am EST
Yet more conjecture and innuendo with NOTHING to prove the silly allegations. It seems to be the neoliberal way, to simply take random events, call them facts, then come to some silly conclusion that has no real connection to the "facts" presented.

Chaos is one of the forces of creativity because it forces you to think in new ways. Because the human mind wants to find patterns in objects or happenings, it will take disparate items and find a pattern in them. By introducing random elements into a situation, new patterns, new ways of looking at a problem emerge.

You see, the human mind is conditioned to find patterns where none actually exist. It is particularly the "nuts and bolts" kind of thinking, men are most adept at using.

While you may see a "pattern" in the things you observe, doesn't necessarily mean a pattern exists.

Try again sprout, you've got nuttin' here.
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Jerry Kays Nov 17, 2007, 2:38am EST
The present and past neocon crowd would do just about anything to get their way ...
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Jerry Kays Nov 17, 2007, 2:40am EST
... except a day of HONEST work.
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John Knight Nov 17, 2007, 2:54am EST
Jack,

How very consistent of you. Without any regard to the fact that virtually every person here, including the author, express reservations about the hypothetical premise, you jJump right in with the same old song and dance about how robotic those at odds with your views are. And anxious to find fault with their nemesis.

You protest way to much, me thinks.

Are we now to simply cease all questioning of any sort, which does not serve your masters?
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jJack Midknight Nov 17, 2007, 3:36am EST
Consistent of me ???

Your knee jerk response to EVERY post of mine you happen to see, is as amusing as it is predictable.

I'm not a mathematician but I have the opportunity to speak to some pretty good ones from time to time, and this business of finding "patterns" has always kept my curiousity through the years.

It really is amazing, how little control we have over our bodies, based on physical limitations. We are simply coded to do what we do. For the vast majority of human beings, it is nearly impossible to see just about anything, without striving to find a pattern to define what the eye/mind is actually seeing.

There is no blame in this-- no shame for being human. We seek patterns.

It soothes the psyche when attempting to find a pattern, it brings definition to a chaotic world. It offers a cacoon of safe haven born on the compliace to your DNA.

Human beings are always trying to apply labels, to things they cannot explain or understand.
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John Knight Nov 17, 2007, 3:57am EST
jJack,

Had that been your first comment, I might very well have praised it.
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Col. George W. Nov 17, 2007, 4:01am EST
I get no suprises from either party or this administration. Both the DNC and GOP will use "terror alerts" or any othe means to accomplish their goal of creating a one world government under the UN and run by Corporatism.

Just one more reason I'll vote for the one candidate that I know will direct us back to a Constitutional Republic as we should be. That candidate of course is Ron Paul
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John Knight Nov 17, 2007, 4:16am EST
PS, And just how do you know I respond to every one of your posts I see?

Found a pattern did we?
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jJack Midknight Nov 17, 2007, 5:02am EST
Apparently Mister Knight is giving praise by fiat. How wonderful.
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Richard B. Nov 17, 2007, 6:43am EST
President Bush has a great fear that the US will be attacked again by al Qaeda during his watch, and he knows that we in the US will blame Bush if we are attacked again by al Qaeda.

This has nothing to do with fear and only to do with reality. Therefore, whenever anything pops up that even comes close to looking like a threat up goes the warnings.

All is only based upon the reality of the situations that occur from day to day
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Peter Wimsey Nov 17, 2007, 7:03am EST
Another great article, David.

I featured a link in my Gather yard Sale edition.
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John Knight Nov 17, 2007, 7:38am EST
Richard,

"President Bush has a great fear that the US will be attacked again by al Qaeda during his watch"

One is baffled as to how one surmises this? Ain't he the fellow that dragged his feet so long on stuff like port an border security, and pursuing a certain notorious member of that gang, and antagonizes the hell out of everything Islam? Just what is it that makes you think he is mortified of Al Qaeda attacking again? The Alert Level tweaking?
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Nan G. Nov 17, 2007, 7:46am EST
Thank you for your article, David.

Of course I have no idea if the is a correlation between the two but I do feel that every terrorist act, everywhere, is a contrived method to control people by fear. It wouldn't be a great leap for me to believe that the posting of warnings is designed to bring the same effect.
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Denise B. Nov 17, 2007, 8:07am EST
interesting point of veiw thanks
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pamela r. Nov 17, 2007, 8:09am EST
Amazing correlations there--guess they think we're all dumber than a box of rocks--wait--that's insulting to the rocks--which generally hold a lot of interesting information--so let me rephrase--they seem to act as if we haven't the common sense god gave a goose.--Typical so very typical of our government and so very sad.
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ELLEN B. Nov 17, 2007, 8:55am EST
I fail to see why our country , with all of our Soldiers in Iraq, and surrounding areas, after 911, how, and why, and what would be the reason for ever coming off high alert anyway? Over 3,000 Americans, and now the body count. I just do not think, with checks at our airports, and our borders and ports, so hit and miss, that we should ever STOP the High Alert. Personally, I would want those who have hurt us with the 911 attacks, or any other similiar groups, with the capability to do us damage, to know we were not gonna ever stop watching all over our country.

To me, the whole color concept is ridiculous, it is like notifying the enemy when we are just a little relaxed, not so relaxed, etc. We had the Horror of Pear Harbor, now we have had 911, let's not give any enemy " A partial rainbow signal", of just what we are doing on a particular day. Sorry, with so many lives lost, and the proof of potential, the horror of 911 on our fellow Americans, the National Security "Sector" of this country should BE always on a HIGH ALERT> We deserve it. And we are all so busy, "living our lives like it never happened, at the President's request," we just cannot be thinking about potential, nor are we, after all this time, trained to look for what must be a very updated possibility, that "could" happen "God Forbid", at any time, The best way to make the Nation feel secure, and comfort our young, who are growing up in our America, that WAS so horribly violated, for the entire world to see, is to at least let these that would do us harm know, we are on STEADY-HIGH ALERT all over this country, every day. We should be the priority, not their threat level. I know someone is gonna talk about the money. Maybe we should spend it on ourselves. Ellen B
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Sy g. Nov 17, 2007, 8:56am EST
David

Actually the dates and correlations that you post, could as easily be shown to follow a totally random pattern. Also, I remember that in the last election, Kerry was ahead in the polls, and then Bin Laden released a threatening tape the weekend before the vote, helping to throw the election to Bush. Why do you think he did that?
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ELLEN B. Nov 17, 2007, 9:01am EST
To damage the voting process, and instill fear in Americans who want to practice our freedoms to have a say. That is my opinion. Ellen B
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ELLEN B. Nov 17, 2007, 9:09am EST
Just an after thought, look at the "new" China toys that were sent to us. Greed has caused a horrible oversight, they have NO exscuse for letting those dangerous toy's get to our markets. The far reaching effects of that must be awful. Those who paid for purchase, shipping, selling, pulling them off our shelves, it goes on and on. Do they care? NO!!!!! The damage was done, our CHILDREN were put in danger, BUT, they got their money, and another possibility of how we could be hurt was exsposed. I think we should "Really Shore UP" our on safety practices. Ellen B
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John Knight Nov 17, 2007, 9:25am EST
sy,

Perhaps he wanted Mr. Bush to win?
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Stephanie B. Nov 17, 2007, 9:29am EST
My response the the article is "Duh." But I can't say it's a Republican thing. Time after time, you could see interesting things happen that coincidently happened at the same time our president was in the hot seat or under threat. I remember Clinton bombing Iraq during the Monica Lewisky thing.

As long as we elect people to power who are more interested in preserving their interests than ours (and that's a bipartisan problem), we will continue to see people manipulate things to show themselves in the best possible light. Now, one could say that upping the terrorist alert hardly makes those in power, those who pride themselves on looking out for our security, look good, but many people who respond to these things with fear will act accordingly.

Manipulation is an age-old ploy, not just in this country, I might add. I wonder if we'll ever be lucky enough to have people in power who are above such things.
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ELLEN B. Nov 17, 2007, 9:30am EST
I understand what you are saying Judi> It appears we are looking for a real Prosecution Team, to clean up the dirt, get it out our house, and get back to reasonable process. What have we found? Safe and fair protector's? Captains of Integrity and with our Moral base at heart? Let's hope there is someone out there. Ellen B
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ELLEN B. Nov 17, 2007, 9:34am EST
To think we as a Nation allow this type of manipulation, off the Blood of our own, right here after this attack on us, probably many of us not thinking along these lines, is downright scary, if this be true. Ellen
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ELLEN B. Nov 17, 2007, 9:35am EST
One can assume, if this is true, we might need our own "threat alert" indicator's, That is sad. Ellen B
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ELLEN B. Nov 17, 2007, 9:41am EST
I agree. It is mind boggling that we could be put in this postition. I can only hope we hold a "High Card" somewhere. Something besides our thinly placed Military, they have their hands full. Ellen B
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ELLEN B. Nov 17, 2007, 9:42am EST
And of course I meant our" Military Strength", as some sort of collateral, in our view. Ellen B
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Ron B. Nov 17, 2007, 10:25am EST
At least once a year I drive to the airport in New Orleans where I'm reminded of something called terror status or terror forecast or alert status by a flashing sign. Terror alerts are just as important as telephone marketing calls.

"Gut feelings" and vague details are meaningless and intended to up the hysteria level of sheep.
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Sam C. Nov 17, 2007, 10:34am EST
Good grief of course it's political. The crowd who has politicized every aspect of government would constrain itself from using the "hook" upon which the goverment rides?? And of course all aspects and motivations of the "alert" levels are state secrets. The fox standing watch over the chicken coop. Trust the group that hires and fires based on personal loyalty to el Duce?? We should expect rational, honest, reports on anything?? If Dubya were to claim by personal and scientific proof that the sky was blue any sane person should check, twice. Then try to find out what part of the Republican oligarchgy benefits from this proclamation and what stock has gone up and bet the futures on oil will hit a new peak.
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Sara S. Nov 17, 2007, 10:39am EST
You've written an interesting article, David, and definitely provided some food for thought.

I especially appreciate the fact that you have drawn correlations between facts and made suggestions as to the significance of these correlations without actually stating a conspiracy-theory type assumption. You ask questions rather than drawing conclusions. I think jJack must have missed that.

I believe that there are many factors, of which the voting public is minimally aware, that are designed to affect how we vote. I believe all campaigns use "stealth tactics" to subconsciously sway voter thinking - whether to the candidate's benefit or to the detriment of the opponent. It simply easier for the candidate in power to manipulate these factors (fear, economy, patriotism, etc.) because, well, they're in power.

It's refreshing to see fairly civilized discourse on this thread. Too many political articles on Gather turn instantly into schoolyard matches of name-calling and mud-throwing.

I particularly like Judi's hometown football analogy. How frighteningly accurate.
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Marilyn M. Nov 17, 2007, 11:19am EST
I believe politicians (and rulers) everywhere and from all time have used fear as a control tactic. That's nothing new.

I also think that our country changed on 9/11 and we don't know how any other president - Republican or Democrat - is going to react to possible terrorist activity. It makes perfect sense to me that persons who want to do us harm would attack during elections or on or near 9/11.

If you're Bush, you're damned if you do and don't. If he had not raised the alert level and something happened? I would much rather have unnecessary alerts raised than have something happen that could have been foreseen.

When you live in hurricane country, you prepare and prepare and prepare, and the storms just pass you by. The one time that people decide not to flood the stores getting all the batteries and such, the one time they decide to stick it out at home, is the time that the storm actually hits.

That same thing already happened to us once on 9/11.
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jJack Midknight Nov 17, 2007, 11:46am EST
Wow, the babes took over the conversation *chuckle*
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ELLEN B. Nov 17, 2007, 12:13pm EST
I have to agree with Ron, something is better than nothing, whatever motivates it politically. But as far as we the public, God Forbid, it is all we have in the form of notification. If it is ever used, again, and there is something going on, God Forbid, what we do after that is up in the air. Ellen B
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Steve Bachman Nov 17, 2007, 2:06pm EST
The US and Britain are the only countries in the world that send out a public notification whenever security goes off "high alert."

Think about it. Who now, after six years, actually wakes up in the morning and checks out the color code on the "terror alert level"?

Answer: Terrorists.

Surely the people at the DHS aren't bumbling idiots. There is a design and purpose to the terror alert levels; just not the one they would have us beleieve.

Aspiring tyrannies throughout human history have always used some sort of ever-present, pervasive, and deadly evil "enemy" to threaten and scare their subjects into obedient submission.

"...Talk about the Somalia, the Phillipines... Make the American people realize they are surrounded in the world by violent extremists." -- Donald Rumsfeld, in a memo to his staff, telling them how to address the press and the public in order to scare up support for the Iraq occupation.
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TK Rosevear Nov 17, 2007, 3:10pm EST
It doesn't matter the political affiliations, terror and war mean $$$$$$ and as long as we allow them to continue to generate a more paranoid and fearful consciousness, these 'shepherds' will continue leading us 'sheep' to the slaughter...
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Don(time to open them FEMA camps) S. Nov 17, 2007, 4:06pm EST
If it walks like a duck , it most likely is a duck .

The republicrooks didn't raise it in 2006 because they were sure their pals with the voting machines had the election wrapped up .

Be aware they won't make that mistake again .
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Jerry Kays Nov 17, 2007, 4:21pm EST
Amen to TK.
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Carole S. Nov 17, 2007, 4:53pm EST
Bull Hockey.
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Rory M. Nov 17, 2007, 5:00pm EST
If Bush actually allows the 2008 election to go ahead, there will be the new "Flaming Red Blowing Out Your Ass" level of alert which will require all citizens to panic all the time.
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ELLEN B. Nov 17, 2007, 7:31pm EST
Rory, I had to laugh out loud!!! I got that point. Ellen B
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jJack Midknight Nov 17, 2007, 8:16pm EST
If Bush actually allows the 2008 election to go ahead

*ROFL* is this another 9/11 truth squad goon ??? *ROFL*
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cecile s. Nov 17, 2007, 9:14pm EST
I don't see the point of letting the public know about any type of alert. There is nothing we can do about it anyway. It is most certaintly a fear tactic. for reasons only the government knows. In Hawaii we had air raid warnings and had to put on gas masks and run to the nearest shelter during world war 2. In these days we are just left to our own devices anyway, so there is no point in warnings. It is not for our safety that these are issued.
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Charles M. Nov 18, 2007, 1:54am EST
Well, I try and remember that we've been hit on two different day's so far, and that was before the alert system was put in place.
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Mark Lange Nov 18, 2007, 3:27am EST
As always, another great post! Here's my 10!~
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Dave McGill Nov 18, 2007, 3:28pm EST
Just as a matter of record, here, a quick check revealed:

19 believing that alerts have been used as a political weapon, with several saying the Dems would not be above the same tactic...

9 believing otherwise...

and 7 not having an opinion...

I want to say that I followed the commentary closely and many were very impressive...

Thanks for including this in your yard sale, Peter...

And thanks for all your comments...I know that the above numbers don't necessarily reflect the opinions of the overall electorate.....But they are very interesting....
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Nancy O. Nov 18, 2007, 3:30pm EST
As the election approaches we will be seeing alot of the ads that claim one canidate over another will be able to keep us SAFE. That of course is relative, during the Clinton admin. when "they" threatened George (senior) Bush , Clinton bombed the hell out of them. My thing is no matter who is in office, that person will take it seriously. It is a position of great power but also of great responsibllity. I think we are as safe as we can be, all things considered !
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Susan K. Nov 18, 2007, 6:37pm EST
Educating me, as usual - David.
I thank you!
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Chris W. Nov 18, 2007, 7:49pm EST
Yes David. Anyone who paid attention during the 2004 campaign could not fail to note the way the alerts were staged to boost GWBs prospects. If you understand Karl Rove's nature, you have to realize that he had a plan and the plan worked.
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Diana Raabe Nov 18, 2007, 10:59pm EST
I think that future truths will reveal much of what is being left out right now.
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Bill's Spirit Nov 19, 2007, 9:37am EST
I remember thinking there was a connection between the terror alerts and the election cycles back when all this was unfolding. The alerts seemed to go hand-in-hand with the Republican's election cycle rhetoric that America would only be, or stay, safe with Republicans in power. The timing just seemed too coincidental to not be serving someone's purposes.

Good article. 10
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Rick McGirr Nov 19, 2007, 10:33am EST
Before Bush, you had relative calm and quietude on the world scene, low gas prices and a bustling economy. True, Clinton's foreign policy was as arrogant as any, but at least ZERO US soldiers lost their lives during the Balkan bombing episode. Today, we have increased levels of everything from paranoia and fear to patriotism and concern for the country on all political sides. Still, there are a lot of us who still can't accept that this Iraq war is a heinous crime against all of us. And the people who actually attacked us on 9/11 are, well, we don't spend much time on al Quaida these days, do we, boys?

Oh, looky. Guess what's come right along with the "surge" in fear: historic rises in oil prices and *oil industry profits*, coupled with increased inflation pressures at the expense of the people. I'm flabbergasted! Aren't you?

Instead of oil prices taking their seasonal turn lower, we have record prices for what reason? Because, we are told on all regular media outlets on all sides of the spectrum, of "rising concerns about terrorism." Go figure! How does it work that you and I are paying out all of our apertures for gas, because somebody somewhere is a bit perturbed about the headlines? BUNK, I say!

I've got it all wrong, you say? You mean I really can trust Bush/Cheney/Rove to have my best interests at heart? You mean the whole Iraq thing wasn't a massive, blatant grab for power and money? You mean nobody played our post-9/11 fear for the gain of their own corporations and friends? Gee whiz, that's great!

Pardon my cynicism and pass the tax breaks. I'm applying for a job at Blackwater, so I can get away with murder too.

That's right. I say the Iraq war was a public rape and murder of a country for the profit of the rich. I await proof to the contrary.
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Susan *. Nov 19, 2007, 10:36am EST
interesting points made here....I have often wondered if there is a corrolation myself!

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Bruce K. Nov 19, 2007, 11:52am EST
Oh God .... yet another attack on Bush based on wanting to attack Bush.

To be clear, I would like to see Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales as well as Scalia and O'Connor impeached or indicted and punished.

But the only thing that pushes me to support them is their firm confrontation of Islamic Totalitarianism, and the fact that the Democrats have not done virtually anything including offering any alternative except quitting, and either have they attacked on the domestic policy either just bugs the hell out of me. If the people are expect to fight a war to defend our society, it ought to be defending the people as well in terms of health care, education, economic democracy, etc.

One other thing correlation does not mean cause, but spending lots of time and energy and thought in irrelvent BS does mean that no one is getting any wiser and none of the real problems are getting talked about or solved.
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Jeannie B. Nov 19, 2007, 9:29pm EST
One of "the real problems" is the current administration's attempts (some successful) at subversion of the US Constitution.

There is not enough data available for me to decide whether the timing of the terror alerts is deliberate. My money's on "it's intentional", given Bushco's past record of lies and obfuscation.
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Sheila Deeth Nov 19, 2007, 9:49pm EST
I'd be interested to know if UK alerts follow the same pattern, but suspect they might not. I know my British mother was quite alarmed at the states of alert here, and suspect she would be less alarmed if the same applied in her home country.

Having said that, we lived with IRA bomb attacks in Britain all through my childhood. The concept of a whole country on alert because there are still terrorists around (as there will always be) is a bit alien to us.
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Ramzy S. Nov 20, 2007, 12:12pm EST
I always agree with you. You're 2 convincing!
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Devin Barber Nov 20, 2007, 1:24pm EST
Yellow, orange, and red alerts OH MY! I found the anouncement of the alert system to be excruciatingly insulting to my intelligence. What truly troubles me is how gullable so many Americans are when it comes to political shananagans like this. Just give them some sparkling colored flashing lights to stare at and Bush and his crowd can execute their neocon plan to control the worlds oil.

That Bush might use his bizarre alert system for political gain is like predicting that if you put a chunk of zebra meat in a cage with a lion he'll eat it.
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Paula H. Nov 20, 2007, 4:40pm EST
Interesting point of view. Some of the elevated levels make sense though. The one in September of 2002, come on folks - it was just a little over a year from 9/11, and considering it was the first time for some of us where a foreign entity attacked us on OUR soil - so I'm not holding that alert to be political. The others, up for grabs.

Whether you were Democrat or Republican - I would bet both parties would use the alerts in the same manner. Yeah, even Ron Paul. Do you ever consider we are so bombarded with War information from the media that a lot of the public become anesthetized to whats happening?
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jJack Midknight Nov 20, 2007, 5:00pm EST
rubes *chuckle* You don't want to hear your mind is preprogrammed to look for patterns. You don't want to admit you may not be as open minded and impartial as you've always told yourself you are.

Did you find the missing 18 minutes of tape from the Nixon regime too?

Fear is the little death that will eat you whole, and before you learn to live on the emptiness of paranoia, I suggest you have another look.

I wonder anymore, if anyone cares about the meaning of words, and the assumed implications they carry.

Look, there is no real way to measure for an answer to this question: "Are They Related?"

You would have to either have been a part of the conspiracy, or given the orders to get it done, either way you have no incentive to "spill the beans."

The only alternative I can think of that would "prove" your case, is if you were some sort of mindreader or other.

Besides, it would be my personal opinion, that if someone is inclined to ACT upon these ridiculous warnings, even IF "real," it would be meaningless fodder for a late night talk show host, or a damn good mystery story for a forensics team to sift through.

People talk with such certainty these days. I wonder why that is.
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Rick McGirr Nov 21, 2007, 7:29am EST
Who's a rube? I am certain, and that's why I speak with certainty. It's plain as day to some of us, but others are still blinded by the fear that the present bunch of thugs in power still tweak and tease whenever their profits or candidates need a boost. We have been had. Bush/Cheney have had their way with you, with us all, they're coming back for more every night and you don't even want to know! They lied us into an insane and immoral war, and you don't care! Who is overcome by fear? I pay attention to fear. I also pay attention to the deductive part of my mind, the part that doesn't just give knee-jJerk approval to any sort of craven behavior, just because it's coming out of our fearless leader's pie-hole. Spare me the claptrap about islamo-fascism. Why do you think anybody out there would have anything negative to say about American imperial hubris? We're just protecting ourselves. Who's a rube? Can you spell fearless? In this world, it is spelled f-o-o-l-i-s-h. It's foolish to trust what our leaders tell us when they have such numerous and substantial conflicts of interest. They are setting us up. It's a set up! We are travelling down the road to ruin, but it's not too late. World War 3, with the words coming right out of fearless leader's mouth, is not inevitable, even though Bush seems to act to bring it about every day. The line is drawn. You're either with us, or you're one of 'them'. He spelled it all out in black and white. And blah blah patriotism and blah blah the enemy. But don't forget, he's a liar!
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jJack Midknight Nov 21, 2007, 7:34pm EST
I pay attention to fear

What a revealing confession, that explains much.
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Rick McGirr Nov 22, 2007, 3:07pm EST
I see you've been trained well, jJack. Quoting out of context and making snide personal insinuations is a favorite tactic of those who construct your propoganda.

What do you think my statement reveals, taken in your own context? I never considered it a matter to confess, that I am a human being with natural born instincts including fear, but also a literate, reasoning being.
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jJack Midknight Nov 22, 2007, 9:36pm EST
It reveals exactly what you said, you "pay attention to fear."

Fear is the little death, eating away at your soul moment by moment. Fear denies the full and complete life you've been given, and deserve. Fear distorts and compells irrational behavior, replacing intellectual actions, with emotional reactions.
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Rick McGirr Nov 23, 2007, 1:54am EST
These things are true, but only if we let fear take over. Rather, sometimes I use fear to motivate me to live life in a way that best enhances my chances for survival and fulfillment.

My first comment about fear was in regard to what seems to me to be a concerted effort among some media conglomerates to portray whatever threats that may or may not exist in a way that amps up people's stress levels. We were told it was a dire national emergency, but it was just a plan to control Iraq's oil resources. It was not evident to me that Iraq was such a huge threat, or had any WMD, or uranium. We had the no-fly zone going on, the UN sanctions in place, every corner of Baghdad covered...also, the 9/11 attackers were all Saudis, who are still attacking us with high oil prices...

From this point of view, it looks like the government uses some media to support their agenda for Iraq, including the war and counterterrorism efforts here at home. They mime the Bush rhetoric, present a lopsided view of the news, and help the White House gloss over a lot of the ugly things that go on every day over there... you know the type of searing images we used to see in every newscast, that helped turn us against the Vietnam war. Rush and his ilk are still harping on the same old junk about safety and patriotism and "it's better than it was before". They help the public delude itself into feeling good about totally disrupting a country which was a fraction of our size. You and I killed, by paying our taxes, many tens of thousands of people and destroyed much. I for one do not feel good about what we've done. I see it as one of the all-time blunders. I want it stopped yesterday.

My fear kicks in when I start thinking about how far the Bush camp can go before it leaves office. I didn't believe their jive from the start, and I see nothing yet that makes the present course any more correct in any way. This bunch have done more bad for this country than good. Will they have blundered us into yet another war before they leave office? Will they further erode the freedoms for which we all are thankful as they carry on the dirty work of building a "democracy"?

That being said, jJack, that's a huge question you asked the other day. What proof do I have that the Bush team all need jail time and moral rehab? I don't have any. I get my info from the radio, TV, newspaper, internet, and people, just like you do. Clearly my opinion means nothing. I'm just a piano player.

But dammit, I truly strongly disagree with Iraq II. Maybe you don't. That's why we vote together, so we don't have to live in fear of each other.
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jJack Midknight Nov 23, 2007, 2:28am EST
Fair enough.

I can't imagine why you think what you think, but you do, and you were able to explain it, in a way that, at the very least, evoked the emotions that compell you feel the way you feel.

That's better than most people are able to do.
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Lisa Bouzan Nov 23, 2007, 6:14am EST
I'm not surprised by your article.

Thanks David.
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Jerry Kays Nov 23, 2007, 2:22pm EST
Rick, your comment of Nov 23 0154 was very well said ... AND ... even jJ seemed to accept it well, so that proves that this world might have a chance to come together after all ... in light of calm discussion, I will attempt to "mildly" say a thing or two ...

We have all been brought up to know moralistically the difference between the good and the bad and of course select the good and condemning the bad (if not actually 'fighting' the bad) ... that leads to an attempt to go as far as one realistically can in the direction of the good (+) while using the bad (-) as the reference of what one wants to distance themselves from ... especially in the eyes of our peers who we fear would think less of us ... and that often leads to exaggerations voiced from us about how good we are and how we hate and/or distance ourselves from the peer version of what is bad. All of that seems well and good by our standards of what we honorably use for information to make those determinations ... usually information (so-called "facts") supplied from "our side" ... and to 'hell' with the other side and everything they say.

But in reality, considering a larger picture, we each and all really want the very same things in the end ... maybe some want a little more of somethings than the other, but we really all have the very same needs and desires ... to be able to survive with our needs met and have peaceful and loving relationships with others, to have more peace and less stress ...


I think the problems then come from the natural inner philosophies of the differing peoples clashing where one side is more definitive as to methods to be used 'now' and the other side is more laid back and trusting that things will work out on their own ...

The side that feels action on their terms is needed now, begins to feel the other side is not contributing to the 'cause' because they do not get right on board to do it the 'now' way. Soon the 'positive' side sees the other side as the 'negative' side ... and when they say so, it is seen as an unfair 'judgement' against them ...

And of course that is the beginning of the conflict which once embarked upon, accelerates as charges and counter charges are thrown ... ending up in bitter polarization ... the state of much going on today ... and if not moderated some, can eventually lead to an awful lot of violence !

I suspect that because we all have basically the same personal concerns as mentioned at the beginning, when we state our preferred way of handling and solving them, the difference that shows up becomes a form of threat to our own way and we see that as something to divide ourselves from and blame the "other" view for increasing our perceived threat ... what we become fearful of we reject and fight ... what we love (like thinkers) we tend to gather around ... soon we have the polarized "sides" ...


IF we can keep these "truths" in the back of our minds, we just might find more common ground more often which would tend to help solve some of our common problems before they become unsolvable because of the tendency to actually war over the issues ... like begets like, what goes around comes around, and for every action there will be an equal but opposite reaction ... appreciation of natural diversity and cooperation will go a lot farther towards solving all problems than does fighting over things.

We all know this, we just too often do not trust it. When things are so divided it takes a lot more work on 'both' sides to restore some unity. It is a good time to begin.
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jJack Midknight Nov 23, 2007, 4:52pm EST
"unity" is over rated.

This nation has been in a philosophical turmoil since it's inception. That won't change anytime soon. Where freedom exists, conflict is a given.
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Jerry Kays Nov 24, 2007, 1:04am EST
You ...jJ ... just might be the side I was speaking of ... there is always the liberal view that prefers more unity as well as the view that opposes it. Everyone knows where you stand. Reality turns out to be a reflection of our thoughts. I say Peace.
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Rick McGirr Nov 24, 2007, 1:34am EST
I agree, jJack. If there is no conflict, there's no resolution. That's the way it is, and that's the way it should be, because otherwise, there'd be no football.

I steer as clear from absolute unity, which is death, as I do from absolute conflict, also death. Only difference is the speed.

Hitler gave both to his people, and that's why lots and lots of Germans got wasted along with the rest. Actually gave them two absolute conflicts, one for each hand, which of course no country except the US could handle. And his vision of absolute Aryan unity threatened the very existence of the world, or at least the life on the surface, for his enemies and his countrymen alike.

jJack, I appreciate your compliment. Thanks for being sane enough to actually understand my statements and keep the discussion going. I look forward to the challenge of defending my thinking, because it's not normal, I'll admit that.

I don't know you, but I assume your views are more along the lines of my redneck farmer brother. I love rednecks, because they're down home. My homies. And my bro is true blue loyal, no better person to have your back. He would defend me in a heartbeat, even with eight stents and a pacemaker, even tho I once called him a f**king racist for referring to dead Iraqi women and babies as "collateral damage". I would do the same for him, because blood's thicker than the mud, as the song says. I'm true blue loyal too. I'm a peace freak who won't cut and run.

I'm not an expert in anything except music, but I'm no fool, and I wasn't born yesterday. I advocate non-violent relations between persons and nations. It seems to me that all this mess we're in now is just leading us down a bad road, very bad. And even though I would stand and defend if war came to my street, I say that now is the time to stop using the military as an arm of foreign policy. I see international conflict as the worst failure our leaders could commit. We are now breeding enemies like locusts, and when their 17 year cycle comes around, woosh, lots of people, Americans and others, will not be doing so well for a while.

Being a rocker, pre-disco vintage, tradition and honor and god and country are terms that I dismiss as too inflexible and old fashioned. These concepts are used continually to work up the dander of the public and manipulate people into supporting whatever the current regime is into. I prefer to party with people and engage in creative pursuits like music and art together. That's kind of what we're doing here, jamming, you know? And man, doesn't the discord sound lovely?
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Rick McGirr Nov 24, 2007, 2:17am EST
Jerry, I read your comments too, and you touch on a few points that are of special interest to me. I've always marvelled at the way two individuals can get along just fine and have a good time together, and then when they each get among a group to which he belongs, oops, something is said or done which offends the other group. Now when that different person and I were sharing barroom humor over a few drinks, there was no problem. Laughed our heads off. But if I were to, say, repeat one of those jokes in front of a crowd with the same background as my friend, and it happened to go against the written laws and beliefs of their group, and someone angrily pointed this out, I and the other members of the group I come from might be in for a rough go. Same joke, same delivery, same spirit of sharing a laugh, but this time it caused a major row between the Blablas and the Hoohoos. It is much harder for groups, especially large ones, to make friends together. That's why I feel uncomfortable playing in a band larger than a trio.

I think unity is overblown as a general human goal, and invariably in history the aims of despots to unite the world under one banner lead to mass harm to all, regardless whether you're under the winning banner. And if your side won, you still buried some of your best citizens along the way.

We need to question this pattern. It has existed since the first time man picked up a stick and realized he could mash heads with it. And it could be our final undoing.

I don't say I advocate peace, or the pursuit of truth, or justice, or anything. These terms are slippery, and one's peace is another's torment. I like a good contest anyway. And I like to challenge people, just to see if they're awake, or maybe even comprehend what I say. In fact, I hope I don't go to heaven, because I think singing praises to great goshamighty all day would be boring as hell. I just think people don't realize how their group identity can lead to all kinds of mayhem, even in something as civic as a soccer match. If you want to stir people up, just say something that tweaks the sensitivities of the group as stated in their charter or their creed or whatnot.

I think you're right that we all have similar concerns as we go about daily life. That's why it's hard to describe what happens when we become enemies. What makes us act so different when we get in a gaggle?
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Rick McGirr Nov 24, 2007, 2:19am EST
David McGill, sorry for messing up your space. Thanks for your article, which started it all. I didn't do it. You did it, and then somebody said something, and it set us off.

I... whazzat? uh, no, I'm not cleaning it up.
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jJack Midknight Nov 24, 2007, 8:49am EST
I dismiss as too inflexible and old fashioned

These are the exact reasons, I hold such concepts in honor.

Haven't noticed your name before Rick, but I'll be looking from now on.
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Jerry Kays Nov 24, 2007, 2:23pm EST
Thanks Rick, you are very diplomatic :-) .. Nothing to clean up that the truth cannot take care of ... truth is like the light and the mess is like the dark, it will flee or dissolve in time.
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Charles Temm JR Nov 26, 2007, 5:58pm EST
interesting thought, somehow the idea that Government, a creature that has thrived on conflict and fear for almost 80 years in this country might use terror alerts politically does not surprise me....look at the Dems now saying the Repubs will take us into another war/invasion and only they can save us, the whole issue is non partisan. Look simply at the enemy, Government itself.
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Sophiya S. Dec 3, 2007, 7:40pm EST
thanks for the great share!
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Patrick C. Feb 9, 2008, 6:32pm EST
Interest David. I really hope that there will be a winner fom the democratic side but if there isn't, I think it'll become another chad fiasco.
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amy s. Jul 8, 2008, 2:19pm EDT
I gave you a ten because I think that you are a special person.
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