• Home
  • Friends
  • Groups
  • Share

SIGN IN | HELP
dragonldy.gather.com
  • profile|
  • posts|
  • photos|
  • videos|
  • comments|
  • friends|
  • groups
by Wendy C.
Member since:
January 12, 2007

Passion of Wombats XXXIX

October 30, 2007 03:53 PM EDT (Updated: November 01, 2007 03:21 PM EDT)
views: 453 | comments: 404

I've noticed we tend to be a passionate lot. There seems to be no half measures; whether it's Pat's shiny things, Steve's baseball or golf for Ken and Dave. We must not forget John's passion for digging holes.

I'd like to share my other passion and invite you to share yours. Inspiration is every where when you are talking/writing about your passions.

I love, love roses. I say they are a passion. If I'm to be honest they've been something of an obsession.

There are literally hundreds of classifications for roses, with subclasses, which I'm not going to bore you with. We're just going to look at the Modern classes today. A modern rose is one which was bred after the Great Depression.

The most common are:

 The hybrid tea. A hybrid tea should have an upright growth habit with blooms borne mostly single. These are what you find in the flower shops. Classification is decided by the breeder, and some are debated like Heirloom; the mauve in the grouping below.

  Floribunda; as the name suggests they are abundant bloomers. Floribundas bloom in sprays (multiple blooms on a single stem) They tend to be easier to grow than hybrid teas and most of them are prolific bloomers. If you want vase roses, floribundas aren't what you want.

Grandiflora- I don't have many of this class in my garden. A grandiflora is supposed to bloom in sprays and ideally show a bloom at each stage on one stem.

I have about 200 roses of 135 varieties growing in my yard. I have antique roses, Hybrid Bourbons and Perpetuals.. If you like the really fragrant, full blooms on an independent bush which would rather you not fuss over it, I'd recommend these two classes. Sorry I'm at image limit. You can look at the classes and research roses at helpmefind.com/rose

I also have shrub, mini and mini-flora rose bushes. While I like to look at miniature roses, I really don't like to take care of them. They are a pain to dead head, but I will admit they are far sturdier than you would think.  Tough as nails, that's most minis.

Hybrid Teas are my favorite class. Unfortunately my winter losses have brought me around to the fact that it is best for me to grow shrub roses and floribundas. Sniff, I miss them. When faced with losing 71 roses in two seasons, denial is no longer an indulgence I can afford.

David Austin has managed to combine cabbage rose blooms with consistent re-blooming. His roses are fragrant, sturdy, lovely and winter hardy... so don't feel too sorry for me.

; 0 )

I'm moving toward a no spray garden. I've decreased my spraying to once in the spring and only if disease shows up during the growing season. If you don't like insects, don't look too closely in my garden. My husband proclaimed the beds were infested with spiders. ROFL  If any of you are wondering that's why J.K.'s horror entry tickled me so. I like seeing assassin bugs in my garden.

What is your OTHER passion? and how does it tie into your writing?

view all photos
You need the latest Adobe Flash Player.
Install the player now
Expand Tags: roses, passion, chat thread, writing wombats, writing
Expand To Group: The Writin' Wombats
rate
email
print
link to this page
Paste this link into an email or IM
Bookmark this post:
Facebook
Twitter
Delicious
Buzz
More

Comments: 404

Wendy C. Oct 31, 2007, 12:46am EDT
Let's set the stage for Halloween with some fun videos.

Monster Mash - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0thH3qnHTbI

Rocky Horror - http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/41864/The-Rocky-Horror-Picture-Show/trailers

Boris Karloff - Bride of Frankenstein - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tneR-uoPQ6g

And it wouldn't be Halloween without the Great Pumpkin.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x33sxt_its-the-great-pumpkin-charlie-brown_shortfilms
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
J.C. Alexander Oct 31, 2007, 1:15am EDT
Fun article, Wendy. Love the roses. I'll look forward to writing here.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 31, 2007, 2:06am EDT
I guess it would have to be the recent Chinese history and the language. Even though I've gotten pretty lazy about it lately. Before that it was the band. And in general it's current events and politics.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 31, 2007, 2:07am EDT
Bee-yoo-tee-ful roses, Wendy!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
John Philipp Oct 31, 2007, 2:11am EDT
Yes, lovely roses, Wendy. A nice relaxing place to chat and write — or chat about writing. Thanks for the invitation.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Karen W. Oct 31, 2007, 3:49am EDT
Ah roses........ fortunately, we live close to the Rose Gardens in Portland, because my thumbs are anything but green....
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jamie C. Oct 31, 2007, 8:14am EDT
Beautiful roses, Wendy. But you know I love them. We've had this discussion before.

My floral passion are lilies. I LOVE lilies. I'm working on rebuilding my collection since I moved. I left my lilies (and bearded irises) in the garden of the house I sold. The F*(##*ing jerks dug them all up and discarded them. Apparently $500 worth of flower bulbs had no worth to them. They could have told me they didn't want them and I would have gladly removed them from the premises. I assumed they bought the house and wanted the gorgeous land scaping in tact. NO. They cut down most of the trees and uprooted the bushes too. You should have seen the wedding lace bush they ripped up. I almost cried. Okay, their house, bought and paid for. I need to get over it.

I have a lily group here on gather. justlilies.gather.com The pictures posted there are phenomenal! Daylilies, asiatics, and my favorites, the oriental lilies.

Okay, the miracle shower has me feeling a bit more lively. Now I feel like more awake crap. I'm hoping a cup of miracle tea does the trick. If it was Thursday, I'd not feel so guilty for calling in sick, but it's Wednesday and I'd be letting a LOT of students down (suuuure, they say). But truly, I have students that forbid me to get sick. (not many, mind you)
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Dave S. Oct 31, 2007, 8:40am EDT
Wendy: What a beautiful garden!! The roses are wonderful, and I like the little visitor on your friend's hybrid tea. As to my passion, I suppose I don't need to mention it, since you already did in your article.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Judi F. Oct 31, 2007, 10:38am EDT
My favorite are lilac roses. I have no clue what they're called, but pretty sure they're the hybrid tea. My husband hunted them down way-back-when when he surprised me with a Renewal of Vows ceremony (mind you, I was 8 months preggers with kid #2 and had been a bit, shall we say, testy to the poor guy. Imagine wanting to renew vows with a nasty watermelon...)

My passion? Easy. Writing.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beaker (just Beaker) Oct 31, 2007, 10:38am EDT
Wendy, I have just a few roses in the garden--on either side of a trellis arch (they grow clear over the top in great profusion) and one yellow rose that has climbed a fir tree in the wild back corner and has blooms way, way up there. I took a picture of them, and in the background you can see a jet flying over, because I had to stand and shoot the picture straight up over my head!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Dave S. Oct 31, 2007, 10:51am EDT
Judi: Silly girl, the question was what is your OTHER passion. (Other than writing, that is.)
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beaker (just Beaker) Oct 31, 2007, 10:54am EDT
Can my other passion be poetry? My life is pretty much nothing but poetry and fiction, writing and reading. And tending the 2-legged and 4-legged of the house.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
J.C. Alexander Oct 31, 2007, 11:14am EDT
Hey, Pat - I was scrolling back through and caught your helpful hint about the difference between 'toward' and 'towards'. Missed it the first time. Very helpful, Little Miss Smarty Pants. :-)

My passion other than writing - I have a few, and they've changed over the years. It used to be cooking, then gardening, now it's running. And those are all aside from family, of course.

My kids have passed the "I'm full of kisses for the mommy I haven't seen in 5 days" and are now full into the "I'm being a monster to pay you back for leaving me" phase. Just in time for Halloween.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beth H. Oct 31, 2007, 12:06pm EDT
Wendy, I just took a delightful stroll through your garden, sniffing all the way. Gorgeous. I love flowers but have no desire to tend them or learn about them. I have a great respect for those who know one plant or flower from another. Thanks for sharing such a beautiful passion with us.

My passions other than writing? Hmmm...not sure some are ready for public attention. I do love to read and spend more time on that than many other pursuits. Used to dance and teach dance, but don't do either currently. Love live theatre and movies, but the entertainment budget is currently very tight. I'm passionate about God, about the Braves, and about my nieces and nephews. Oh, yeah--I'm definitely passionate about learning. I could go to school for the rest of my life and be happy, happy, happy. A PhD? Would love to pursue one.

I'd like to be passionate about a husband, but haven't met the man yet.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beth H. Oct 31, 2007, 12:10pm EDT
Contest results are in! No name dropping here. Go see who won!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Vivian A. Oct 31, 2007, 12:12pm EDT
Beth beat me to the page, had trouble loading :)

reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Vivian A. Oct 31, 2007, 12:12pm EDT
OopS1 Where's the link?
Terrifying Tales Results!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beth H. Oct 31, 2007, 12:20pm EDT
I was too lazy to put in the link. Thanks, Vivian.

Glad to be done with that voting. So, so hard to give out only one 10.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Ian M. Oct 31, 2007, 12:25pm EDT
Lisa, I wanted to draw your attention to Buffy
this Halloween.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Wendy C. Oct 31, 2007, 12:43pm EDT
Dave I'm sorry I stole your thunder.

Lisa, purple, lilac..etc.. are classified as Mauve. My best guess would be he got you Blue Nile or Blue Ribbon. Renewal of vows.. how romantic. Could the Magic Kingdom be a passion for you?

J.K. is your yellow monster really thorny? I'm willing to bet it's Mermaid. Should be called Mer-monster.

WOOT! Thanks Beth for letting me know. Vivain I bow to you.. thank you for taking this challenge on for us.

IAN!! How could I forget Buffy and Angel.. thank you.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Dave S. Oct 31, 2007, 1:02pm EDT
Vivian: I just dropped a comment on your article. I wanted to give you a 10 for sponsoring the contest, but you have ratings turned off.

Wendy: Since Viv rejected me, I was then going to give you a 10 for hosting this thread, but you also have ratings turned off.

What gives? Did Patrick insinuate his theory of the inherent nefariousness (nefariosity? nefaricity?) of ratings into your gullible minds? :>) Just kidding, of course.

At any rate, congrats to the top three. I won't spill names here. Wombats: check out the link above.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Vivian A. Oct 31, 2007, 1:05pm EDT
Passion, hmm. That's a tricky question- I have so much going on right now, it doesn't afford me to be passionate; passion=obsession. Obsession is all time consuming and I have way too many irons in the fire.

I too love gardening when I have the time. Mine is a bit weedy right now and I feel ashamed, it just looks at me like a neglected child. Writing, of course, when I'm not running to finish papers for school! What I love most, is when I have stopped running and can stand in the moment and appreciate it. Time is fleeting, carpe diem, all that.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Vivian A. Oct 31, 2007, 1:07pm EDT
Dave you are sweet, I think I forgot to check. It is automatically set for No Ratings and you need to opt in if I remember correctly. In my haste to get it up I neglected to uncheck the box- oops!

Everyone- I loved all the stories, I really enjoyed seeing how each person approached the task. Truly an exercise in psychology! Glad I couldn't submit or vote, congratulations all.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beaker (just Beaker) Oct 31, 2007, 1:26pm EDT
Yes, thanks go to Vivian for hosting a fun contest.

Can we have a show of hands, or a head count (dangerous on hallowe'en) of those participating in the nanowrimo? I'd like to add you all to my buddy list. (That doesn't mean I'll pester you, but then I can see how you're doing on your word count.) I think if you mention wombats in your interests, I'll be able to search for you. The trick, Pat, is to not reveal your exact location. You can always opt out of receiving notices from your local group, too. Last year I attended zero meetings, write-ins, parties. Other years I've gone to 3 or 4.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Pat S. Oct 31, 2007, 1:34pm EDT
Vivian, a wonderful contest, continuing a delightful fiendish mechanism of voting. Thank you for being such an inspiring hostess!

And Wendy, thank you for hosting such a lovely thread. Your pictures are beautiful. I must admit, that my expulsion from the girl club continues, however. I don't much like ice cram, I'm not a fan of chocolate, and I can't abide the smell of roses. Lovely to look at, but can't handle the smell. My mother's name is Rose, and she had a backyard full of roses, mostly old Chryler Imperial roses, and of course, everyone gave her rose scented gifts. On hot summer afternoons, as a child playing the yard, I was completely surrounded by the scent of roses, to the point of being cloying. But they are beautiful to see.

I'l have to think about my passions. As for flowers, give me a nice unscented tulip. Bunches of them. For scented flowers, I'll take lilacs or gardenias.

JK, thank you for the tips. I'll take off my location, and put wombats in my interests. I'm not writing, but want to be able to cheer for you.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Wendy C. Oct 31, 2007, 1:37pm EDT
Dave, I went to enable the voting and it wouldn't let me. Oh well. I'll be content knowing you all would vote if you could. ; 0 )

Vivian my garden looks bad too. The grandbaby has kept me so busy..it got neglected this year. Good thing roses and flowers in general are sturdy.

And if you have a moment, you must, must go see Jamie's lily group. SWOON!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beaker (just Beaker) Oct 31, 2007, 1:48pm EDT
Wendy, I don't think you can ever change the voting setting, once the article is published. It's tricky that way. You can't publish just for yourself to proofread any more, because if you publish just to you, it automatically says "no voting"--grrrr.

I put up the picture of the yellow rose on my page, so you can look at it and tell me what kind it is. Now that I look at it again, I'm not sure if that's a jet or just a plane. I'm sure it's not superman...or underdog.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 31, 2007, 1:49pm EDT
Ian, thanks for that link - amazing!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jamie C. Oct 31, 2007, 1:54pm EDT
Just stopping in on the lunch break. Yes, I am at work. I don't feel TOO bad, but not to good either. Better than yesterday, in any case.

Off to dissect the joints of pigs in lab. I don't think I've ever had so much fun! NOT! I'm SOOOO in a cranky mood. Beware of evil teacher students. Beware!

Is that NaNoWriMo website slower than a dead turnip rolling up a hill, or is it just me?

AND Happy Halloween all! I'm celebrating by teaching a night class. Oh what a joy. (yes, feeling sarcastic at the moment - I'm no fun when I don't feel well, but who is, really?)
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jamie C. Oct 31, 2007, 1:55pm EDT
Please excuse my lack of appropriate commas in the above post.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
John Philipp Oct 31, 2007, 1:56pm EDT
Vivian, kudos many times over for stewarding this contest and for putting up with all our _____ (add a word of your choice.).

J.K. J.K. I'm in Nano as Johnphilipp but I can't figure out how to create a buddy list. Hell, I can hardly get on the site -Sloooow.

Guess they have almost a hundred thousand people this year.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
John Philipp Oct 31, 2007, 1:57pm EDT
A dead turnip!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Rima S. Oct 31, 2007, 2:13pm EDT
Hey everyone!!
Happy Halloween ..
Wow.. Wendy. you've got wonderful roses to share..I can even smell them....
And you absolutely right..passion leads our ways..and you found it in roses..well I found it in writing poetry and dealing with my students daily...
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Suzette Vaughn Oct 31, 2007, 2:28pm EDT
Happy Halloween...Thank God my son will stop the countdown.

Wendy beautiful Roses. I like Iris's. Also great links for Halloween.

Pat. Too much of a good this is really bad. There are scents/foods that I'm sure almost everyone feels that way. On the girl front...I don't like shoes :)

Passion: Cars, driving, traveling. Though I don't get enough of any of them.
Obsessions: Cleaning, organizing. And things that smell good, candles, just any kind of little scented thing.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beaker (just Beaker) Oct 31, 2007, 2:39pm EDT
John--they don't seem to have the "search" function up yet. Maybe they left it out by mistake! =-o I'll go visit you, anyhow. And chris. And Jamie. And...Jill? And Pat? C'mon, help me out peoples. My memory function is slower than a lopsided turnip in a rigged pachinko game.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beaker (just Beaker) Oct 31, 2007, 2:41pm EDT
I forgot to ask if you felt that earthquake, John.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
John Philipp Oct 31, 2007, 3:33pm EDT
Didn't feel it, J.K. But I've been through two big ones - one in LA and one here. I've decided I don't feel anything under a 6. I'll look at flower pots shaking on the railing and yet not feel anything myself.

So, what's with the turnips today?
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jamie C. Oct 31, 2007, 3:40pm EDT
I nominate turnips as the official Wombat root. Is there a second?

So it isn't just me who thinks the NaNoWriMo site is slooooow. That's good. I thought maybe the administrators had a personal vendetta against me. Always good to know when one is being overly paranoid.

Well, I've made it through the bulk of the day. We'll see how the night class goes later. I'm thinking of cuting it short. I'm starting to feel really icky now. Maybe I just need some more miracle tea.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jamie C. Oct 31, 2007, 3:41pm EDT
Wish I had a cleaning obsession. We have found a major difference between us, Stacy. Cleaning is for the turnips.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beth H. Oct 31, 2007, 4:08pm EDT
Ahhhh!!!! I finally gave in and signed up for nanowrimo. What have I done? No plot, no big events, no defining moments for my characters. But I do have 2 characters. They even have names. (But that's all they've got!) This will either be fun, fun, fun or torture.

Missed the place where you could list interests. Guess I'll have to check back in later. Austin Cushing started a Gather group called gatherwrimo. And Jennifer (?) has some cool stuff going on. John, do you know how to find her quickly? JK, you gonna set up something for just Wombats and wrimo?

I don't like turnips. Can I still be a Wombat? And I don't have a closet full of shoes (and hate clothes shopping), so can I still be a girl?
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beaker (just Beaker) Oct 31, 2007, 4:09pm EDT
I think the nano site is freaking out over its annual exponential growth. I read that they took the author search button off the screen until they get things under control. I hope its back on by tomorrow.

I need to get out the toolbox and bang together some sort of plot. Something with turnips.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beaker (just Beaker) Oct 31, 2007, 4:12pm EDT
Should I start a Wombat Wrimo where we can check in daily? On the nano site, or here?
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Pat S. Oct 31, 2007, 4:15pm EDT
If you really want cheerleading, make it here please. I'll never remember to go there to check anything. And then I can delete my membership there all together, thereby making it faster for all of you!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beaker (just Beaker) Oct 31, 2007, 4:20pm EDT
It's kind of fun to drop in on the nanowrimo world, Pat--like visiting another planet. That's how Gather looked to me the first time, too. So many people, doing so much stuff I didn't understand.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beaker (just Beaker) Oct 31, 2007, 4:22pm EDT
I'll start a Wombat Wrimo group, if desired. Or should we just post a "Wombat Wrimo" article here? Tell me what to do, Pat! Or I'll just keep dithering....
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beaker (just Beaker) Oct 31, 2007, 4:30pm EDT
I've put up a topic on the nanowrimo forum page, under "Writing Groups and Clubs" so we can meet and connect. I'll write an article here, too. If it gets overlong, we can hand it off.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jamie C. Oct 31, 2007, 4:37pm EDT
Unless that Nano site speeds up to say a .5 Kbpy (kilobytes per year) speed, I'd say we'd have more fun and less frustration interacting on gather. But maybe the site's speed will pick up. I'm doubting it. The email I got this morning from the Nano site said pages are gettig lost among other frustrating things.

So go for it, JK. Start a Wombat Wrimo article. I'll spaz out there with you, if no one else wants to. We can record our word count each day. It might encourage us to keep writing. Kind of a competition.

I'm so glad you signed up, Beth! I think it will be fun. Just get that inner editor under control!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Wendy C. Oct 31, 2007, 4:37pm EDT
Dead turnip, rolling up hill. Blahhhh, cough, choke..wheeze. I'll second the Turnip as the offical root of wombats.

I don't like shoes either.. or clothes shopping, perfume nor am I much on jewerly.. perhaps I'm not girly either.. smile

Fingers in my ears..lalalalalalala..I will not sign up for wrimo.. won't, won't..lalalalala..

I've got all of my little things done which have been neglected, and now I'm off to work on my wip.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jill Lynn A. Oct 31, 2007, 4:38pm EDT
Oh, good J.K. I was just wondering how we'd find each other, as I don't see a way to search the site by "common interests/wombats" All it says is "You can add a buddy by visiting a user's profile page." But how do you find a user's profile page? Arg.
See...This is why I write; everything else confuses me. HA.

I knew we'd lure you in, Beth :-)

Wendy, the roses are lovely. Thank you.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jamie C. Oct 31, 2007, 4:39pm EDT
And for the record, I don't like to eat turnips, but I do like to invent anecdotes about them.

I have no love for shoes. I go for comfort over style every time. And I never wear jewelry. NEVER. I know that makes me an outcast in Pat's eyes. No shiny things for me.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
John Philipp Oct 31, 2007, 4:44pm EDT
Beth,

Jennifer's stuff is at:
NaNoWriMo Support Group

J.K. Definitely have our group somehwere on Gather. Today's pep memo from NaNo indicated they know they have a computer problem and will have it fixed by next year. Right now it sounds like they got so many people they're just trying to hang on.
Duct tape, guys. DUCT TAPE!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Ken C. Oct 31, 2007, 4:54pm EDT
Okay, I'll tell you my jewelry story. In my youth, I was in a band. The guitarist decided it would be cool to get his ear pierced. Keep in mind, we were living in a band house and were dismally poor. So, there is a sale at the Bon Marche. He goes down there. It's $10. The conversation was something like this:
"Cool, ten dollars. I just want one ear pierced, so that will be five dollars, right?"
After much conference.
"No, it's a package deal, $10 if you get one ear pierced or two."
So, a conundrum until a flash of inspiration hits.
"Fine, but it won't matter if the ears are on separate heads, right?"
More conference.
"Um, I guess not."
So, that's the story of how I got my ear pierced. The funny thing is, we didn't know what we were doing. For no particular reason, he got his right ear pierced and I did the left one. We didn't know there is a signal, right ear means you're gay (or it did back then). My friend was a huge homophobe. Needless to say, his earring didn't last long.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jamie C. Oct 31, 2007, 4:56pm EDT
HA! I found you JK! I added you to my buddies. My very first NaNoWriMo buddy.

Ken, great story! :-)
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beth H. Oct 31, 2007, 5:08pm EDT
JK, definitely do a group or article here. I don't know that I'll make time to check in with the other site at all.

Aren't there 10 or 12 of us? Wombats Do Wrimo or something could be the group name.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beaker (just Beaker) Oct 31, 2007, 5:13pm EDT
Article, such as it is, is up. If it fails to please, I'll go soak my head in a vat of putrid turnips.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Mark Y. Oct 31, 2007, 5:40pm EDT
I spent all summer at all the rose gardens in LA County. They attract Japanese beetles, a major exotic pest.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
G. M. Lupo Oct 31, 2007, 5:59pm EDT
Wendy, thanks for hosting. As for passions, mine used to be family research but I haven't done much lately. I've managed to trace my family back to the fifteenth century. They were musicians in service to Queen Elizabeth.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beth H. Oct 31, 2007, 6:08pm EDT
Matt, you can't just leave it with that. Tell us more about these musicians.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
G. M. Lupo Oct 31, 2007, 6:45pm EDT
Beth, they were brought to England by Henry VIII to raise the quality of English music at the time. My earliest known ancestor, Ambrose Lupo, went to England in 1540 and served under Henry, Edward and Elizabeth until his death around 1594. His sons, Peter, who's my ancestor, and Joseph served under Elizabeth. Peter and Joseph were two of four Lupos who played at the funeral of Elizabeth and Ambrose played at the funeral of Henry VIII and the coronation of Elizabeth.

Though they all had Italian names, most researchers believe they were Sephardic Jews who came from Spain or Portugal in the fifteenth century. In the reply above, I meant to say the sixteenth century, not the fifteenth. They were there in the 1500s.

You can learn more at my genealogy site for the Lupos.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Wendy C. Oct 31, 2007, 6:54pm EDT
Ken, too funny! A spew alert would have been appreciated.

J.K. when you're done with those turnips, I need them for the hicken soup. I prefer, fresh, uncooked turnips m'self.. used to eat them like carrots out of the garden.

JP beetles.. I do a happy dance every June when they don't show up in my garden. I think it's too cold here for them.. oh darn! I've heard rumor that if one plants lavender in the rose beds the JP's stay away.. apparently they don't like lavender.

This imported pest does major damage to roses along the eastern seaboard and have reached into the midwest. Perhaps if we plant lavender along the entire border of WA state they'll stay out. hmm

Matt, my auntie traced our family back to about the fifteenth century too. It would seem there were three rouge brothers who were offered to hang or go to the new world. So that's how my dad's family got to America.. proud stuff. LOL

I am shameless, anytime I can share my roses it's a good day.. you are all most certainly welcome.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beaker (just Beaker) Oct 31, 2007, 7:39pm EDT
Here's where to find the wrimo wombats on gather:

Wombats do wrimo

We'll be in touch. (Famous last words.)
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Pat S. Oct 31, 2007, 7:41pm EDT
Ken, you have a pierced ear? Have I mentioned that I adore pierced ears on men? I've tried for years to get hubs to do it, but, being afraid of needles, he runs screaming like a little girl every time I mention it, which pretty much negates the whole macho factor. The kid has a pierced ear. I never thought that raising a son meant he'd lose half my earrings or would require me to teach him how to braid his halfway-to-his-waist length hair as a teenager.

According to USA today, one of the top ten places in the world to admire roses is right here in my hometown. This park butts up against my high school, and was one of favorite places to study or just cut classes.

Park of Roses. Click on the link for the rose festival for some lovely photos.

My passion for shiny things is not necessarily about jewelry (although that is quite nice). It's actually a reference to my collection of glass objects d'art. I prefer signed originals, rather than mass-produced, but will buy anything if it catches my fancy or amuses me. As easily distracted as I am, however, my passions ebb and flow and switch direction without warning. One week it's Hawaiian tribal art, the next it might be charming little Halycon trinket boxes. I have entirely too much stuff.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Ken C. Oct 31, 2007, 7:59pm EDT
Why yes, Pat, I do have a pierced ear, not that I'm trying to drive you wild with passion or anything. I don't wear the gold star earring much anymore, but the hole is still there. I wore the earring for a long time, but I was looking for a job in the 80's and not having much luck. As an experiment, I decided to take out the earring and I got the next job I applied for. Could just be dumb random luck, but I haven't worn it much since then. Does this mean I've sold my soul to the man? Probably.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
James R. Oct 31, 2007, 8:04pm EDT
Checking in after 3 days of a local trade show. Two pretty long days on the show floor, with an interlude for a couple speaking spots.

Wendy, good article. My other passion is music, though reading, golf, hiking and cross-country skiing are also up there.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jill Lynn A. Oct 31, 2007, 8:06pm EDT
I've always wanted to design a Rose-parade float. Not into parades, in general, but am awed by the imagination that goes into that one. Things like cobblestone paths made out of potatoes. I mean, really! Not even my "writer's mind" would have come up with that.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
John Philipp Oct 31, 2007, 8:40pm EDT
Softball coming J.K.'s way - I'm thinking about a turnip float ...
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
John Philipp Oct 31, 2007, 8:41pm EDT
Great story, Ken. I think you want to pick the right earring for the unikilt.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Paul Allen Leoncini Oct 31, 2007, 8:55pm EDT
Woe to you, oh earth, and sea. Fore the devil sends the beast with wrath because he knows the time is short. Let Him (Her) who hath unstanding reckon the number of the Beast (Wombat) for it is a Human number, it's number is:

Oct 31 Happy Halloween everybody
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Pat S. Oct 31, 2007, 9:08pm EDT
A gold star Ken? I pictured you as more of a small, tasteful diamond stud kind of guy. You should go back to wearing one. Engineers can get away with almost anything. Dress down days are a festival of Hawaiian wear and bar t-shirts in my office. Although, geeks that they are, some tuck in the Hawaiian shirts, a giant fashion no-no. But they fancy themselves as cutting-edge cool, and who am I to destroy their delusions?

OK Jill, dad also once worked on a Rose Parade float for the city of West Covina, where sis was living at the time. Had a blast, although, fussy artist that he is, he kept wanting to redesign things. The artistry in those things is astonishing. I'm always amazed by the tiny black seeds they use to achieve outlines and eyes and such. Of course, our engineering friends here are probably more awestruck by the moving parts and such.

The doorbell has finally stopped ringing, the tricksters have subsided for the night, and hubs is thrilled to his toes with all the leftover Milky Ways and Snickers bars. He'll be on a chocolate high for a week. Sigh....
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Dale C. Oct 31, 2007, 9:15pm EDT
Well, my life has slowed down a little, and I sort of caught up on the wombat thread. Where's Steve these days? I already congratulated the horror contest winners on another thread, but might as well do it here too.

Contest news: I see that the Amazon contest is full and has a waiting list. Filled up October 22nd. Weren't a couple of Wombats in it? I would be interested in seeing how that all works out for people. Anybody keeping tabs on the Crime/Horror contest? Are they getting good entries? Are they getting a lot of them?

Ken's ear ring story: One time I fell asleep on the couch and my stepdaughter painted my toenails. I woke up and figured, "Oh well, no big deal. I wear socks and shoes anytime I'm in public anyway." Forgot all about it until I went over to the Y, played basketball, then took a shower. I don't know if anybody noticed, but I was just a tad quicker than normal getting socks and shoes on.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Ken C. Oct 31, 2007, 9:22pm EDT
I probably could get away with wearing the earring at this stage in may career. One of my competitors wears one and he's doing quite well for himself. However, I prefer to be a more stealthy subversive. If you didn't know me, you might even think of me as a regular guy.

Via email, I'm arguing with my son about gravity. Here's a sample:

DBC: Out of curiosity, what is the basis for the reasoning that Gravity could possibly be a function of volume? Black Holes sort of destroy the whole idea, though, but I'm curious how anyone could come to that conclusion.

KLC: Gravity is still a mystery. Newton says it is the result of attraction between the masses of two bodies. Einstein says gravity and acceleration are the same thing, so gravity must be an acceleration through curved time/space. Gravity, supposedly, operates instantneously without any medium. I don't buy this. The volume idea (which I find interesting but not persuasive) imagines that gravity operates via a force, like a wind, that can be blocked. How much gets blocked? Well, that would depend on the size of the shield (i.e. volume). I'm more interested in the idea that gravity has several components, one of which is a sort of surface tension, which would correlate to the diameter or surface area of the thing you're standing on. As far as I know, we don't have data about the density of other planets and what the gravitational force is. It would be interesting to measure the gravity on two planets with similar diameter and different mass (density). Maybe the intuitive thought that gravity would be greater on a denser planet is correct. But, we don't know. My sense is that gravity is not just one thing, it's a mix of forces that we have not decyphered yet. It propagates through space at some finite (but fast) rate. It acts via waves which are too small for our instruments to measure.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jamie C. Oct 31, 2007, 9:24pm EDT
Now that is a CUTE dad story, Dale. :-) Priceless, really.

I guess Steve is gearing up for his big writer's conference.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jamie C. Oct 31, 2007, 9:26pm EDT
Just agree with Einstien, Ken. It makes everything a whole lot easier. Plus, his hair defied gravity, so he must have known something about antigravity that he wasn't sharing.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jamie C. Oct 31, 2007, 9:29pm EDT
And we do know the density of planets and sizes. Density based on orbits of moons and such. And then the gravity can be measured by how much the planet pulls on a passing comets. So they have these measurements, they just don't know what causes the gravity. They can quantify it though. And yep, it's a force due to acceleration. I still have a hard time with light being a wave and a particle, so don't make my brain hurt any more. Physics is not my thing.
Gravity is due to mass. Black hole is close to an infinite mass that keeps enlarging, so wouldn't the gravity of a black hole increase with time. Why yes I think it would.
Hey, I might be wrong. Like I said, physics is not my thing. Give me some biology any ole day.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Wendy C. Oct 31, 2007, 9:32pm EDT
13 acres and 11,000 roses. Fanning myself. I'd be in heaven for days! Thanks for the link Pat.

Thanks James.. nice to see you back.

Pat, we don't get trick or treaters and my DH was trying to convince me I needed to by candy on the off chance.. um, yeah.. no. We've grown enough.

Dale! Nice to have you back. There are three of us in the Amazon thing. It starts Nov 12th. I'm still recooping from FCR, I'll wait until the starting gun reports before diving into that.
And I can bet you were never more aware of your toes, than that day at the Y. Aren't girls fun?
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Wendy C. Oct 31, 2007, 9:36pm EDT
Ken and Jamie.. I read your posts, and understood them. Dropping a book. Yes, gravity works. grin I'm amazed I could follow all of that, but will refrain from comment, as I have nothing of weight to add.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Wendy C. Oct 31, 2007, 9:40pm EDT
Oh, I'm not being a very good hostess.. refreshments are in order.

In the cauldren (don't worry all the haze is from dry ice) you'll find a hard punch, fruity I believe. There are a collection of cut crystal bowls (to make Pat's eyes shine) with an assortment of Halloween goodies.

My son has stealthfully hidden rubber vermin in the bowls, so don't freak if you hit a spider or bat.. IT ISN'T REAL.. honest. The dogs are, and they don't get candy; no matter how pathetic they appear.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beaker (just Beaker) Oct 31, 2007, 9:40pm EDT
I hope the turnip float is not related to the rootbeer float (rootbeer being the spewverage of choice around here....)
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beaker (just Beaker) Oct 31, 2007, 9:50pm EDT
Did somebody mention gravity? Oh my! My little muppet pulse is quickening. I'm the one who had the feynman pin-up over my desk in college. I know a great song about Albert Einstein, Jamie. He's out drinking with his buddies. I don't think I can find it online, but I'll check.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beaker (just Beaker) Oct 31, 2007, 9:57pm EDT
Wow, I found it. Here it is:
Albert Einstein Dreams
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Sherrie Super Oct 31, 2007, 9:58pm EDT
Wow Wendy...200 roses of 135 varieties? I'm impressed!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jamie C. Oct 31, 2007, 10:02pm EDT
Is it wrong of me to wish death on my neighbors? Not a kind gentle death, either, but an excrutiatingly painful death? Involving much screamining and exposed nerve endings. I come home from my 13 hour day of work, a day of work in which I was sick (don't forget that) and the mother f*&#ers were blocking my driveway. AGAIN! So I parked on the street rather than get out of my car, knock on the door, wait for them to get the fudge out of the driveway (which can take up to 15 minutes because they are inconsiderate a$$h013s). I almost backed into the freakin' phone pole across the street in my enraged backing up job. So now my car is parked on the street on halloween. No telling what prankster teenagers will do to it. Anyway, I'm royally pissed, if you can't tell. My next car will be a monster truck and if they block the effing driveway it's up and over their car for me. a-holes!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Pat S. Oct 31, 2007, 10:03pm EDT
My dog is named Einstein, does that count? But only because his goofy hair and big eyes kind of remind me of Einstein's picture.

Crystal bowls? I'm likely to dump the candy and take the bowls. Crystal is a lovely form of glass. I love to wash my crystal, just to make all the glasses and bowls sing. Yes, the sound drives the dog nuts, but it makes a lovely sound!

Ken, my kid and I argue via email over whether or not I should read the book "Perfume". He's in favor, I'm opposed. His girlfriend emails me to lament his lack of ambition. Hey honey, sorry, he takes after his dad. I tried to warn you. But gravity and black holes? Um, no. Hubs tries to engage me in that kind of stuff, but I'd rather go see if I can play "Mary had a little lamb" on my crystal glasses.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beaker (just Beaker) Oct 31, 2007, 10:05pm EDT
Random typos in it, tho: for example, the line is "velocity and mass" not "velocity and man" which makes no sense, after all.

Oh dear, I'm talking to myself again. Better lay off the fermented turnips.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Pat S. Oct 31, 2007, 10:07pm EDT
Wendy, if you ever get my way some summer, I'd be glad to show you around the park. Those of us who see it every day generally fail to appreciate what a wonder it is. It has a lovely gazebo where they do poetry readings in the summer. In high school, we'd sneak in under the gazebo at night to hold seances and such with my wiccan friend. Yes, I had a perfectly normal childhood, why are you shaking your heads that way?
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Pat S. Oct 31, 2007, 10:10pm EDT
Jamie, don't you have a random dozen eggs or so in the fridge? And some toilet paper or shaving cream? It's Halloween. Anyone could be blamed, but certainly not the nice biology professor!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jamie C. Oct 31, 2007, 10:13pm EDT
I really considered that, Pat, but I'm sure to get caught. Since the truck is parked right in front of the neighbor's open front door and yes, they had to have seen me pull up in the drive. And no they didn't move the g-d*mned thing. Actually, I was going to take some overripe bananas and smash them all over the windows, BUT, I feel like crap and I'm a chicken, both of which hindered making that dream a reality.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jamie C. Oct 31, 2007, 10:14pm EDT
Plus, I like having my blood pressure in the vicinity of 530/450 after a long day at work (when I'm sick - did I play up that sick thing enough yet?)
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Jamie C. Oct 31, 2007, 10:15pm EDT
Cute song, JK. I've never heard it.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
James R. Oct 31, 2007, 10:22pm EDT
Jamie, feel better. I hate working when I'm sick.

Just caught up on the last thread. Starr, congrats on a great first two chapters ---- from what I saw, you deserved to be published and you earned it!

I'd agree with Judi that the Pocket must have been looking for particular types of stories. I'll confess that I thought Meredith's entry needed more work (and said so in my FCR2 comment). I also think our three wombat paranormal entries were excellent (Judi, Jamie, Dale), but they obviously weren't looking for this type of story.

It is ironic that Pocket basically ignored the popular vote in their selections, but they need to make the call based on their editorial needs I guess.

Happy Halloween to all.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Judi F. Oct 31, 2007, 10:43pm EDT
So, Jamie, are you sick? Hmm, I never would have guessed.

Speaking of shiny things - my glass slipper hasn't arrived yet. I'll have to call the glassblower - maybe he can arrange for Prince Charming to bring it - oh, that's right. I already have a Prince Charming - he of the breakfast in bed and Renewal of Vows ceremony.

I did my own trick-or-treating with my neighbor. I get very few at my house on the out-of-the-way cul-de-sac ( I hate hyphens!!!!!!!!!!!) so she invited me to her house where the open wine bottles made up for ringing door bells. Fun for a few hours - especially since we convinced the Survivor girl across the street to come join us. Good times had by all.

Thinking of all our Nanu-nanu writers tomorrow - or in 77 minutes, should you decide to start at the official start time. I'll be a Lady of Leisure tomorrow - lounging around reading. Something I haven't done since over 100 Gather-ers emailed me to make sure I was going to do a little thing called FCR. (Along with the agent - the readers asking me to do it were the best thing to come out of that contest. ) Now I need to get back to Judi - so allow me to cheer all the "Morks" on (Nanu-nanu? Come on, it's late here on the east!) - please feel free to share the WIPs. We'd all love to see them! And to thwart the DB1ers (who are bound to come out, as it's, you know, another contest and they can't seem to help themselves) don't allow ratings. Honest comments or nothing!

Have at it, everyone!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Suzette Vaughn Oct 31, 2007, 10:53pm EDT
Not sure why I'm a turnip. but ok, I'm easy that way.
Woot finally something we differ on Jamie...also did you know it's illegal to block a personal drive way. :)
Oh forget eggs at a point like that. Shaving cream removes paint, as does 409. Bleach on convertiables is nice too. People do sleep at some point. :)
K that enough evil thoughts even for Halloween
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Judi F. Oct 31, 2007, 11:10pm EDT
Oh - just wanted to let you all know - tomorrow night (Thurs) at 9-11 eastern time, I'll be on Rowena Cherry's (pubbed author and internet radio host) radio show, speaking about manatees - the myth of mermaids relates to manatees in case you didn't know). I'll post specifics if you all want to listen in. It's my first "author" radio interview and came about b/c Rowena saw In Over Her Head . She's on Gather if you want to check out her writing!
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Beaker (just Beaker) Oct 31, 2007, 11:13pm EDT
Beth is staying up to write, so she should be starting in under an hour.

I'm on the opposite coast, however. By the time I start, Jamie will just be finished pranking her neighbors.
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Judi F. Oct 31, 2007, 11:19pm EDT
Jamie - I thought these neighbors were moving?
reply to this comment
Chime in! Become a Gather member to comment.
Join Gather »
Already a member? Sign in
Wendy C. Oct 31, 2007, 11:24pm EDT
Jamie, dear.. your neighbors have no idea how lucky they are that you are so, em reserved. Any empty beer bottles that could happ