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by Jo C.
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Transcript of Live Chat with Author Michael Covel, Author of The Complete TurtleTrader

October 29, 2007 12:57 AM EDT (Updated: October 30, 2007 09:18 AM EDT)
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What: Live chat

Time: Today -7-8 pm Et

Who: Michael Covel, author of The Complete Turtle Trader

We look forward to seeing you all there. If you can't make it be sure to leave your comments and questions for Michael. 

  

       Contrary to the opinions of many, learning how to trade well can be taught to many average people, from bartenders to security guards, from academics to designers of computer games. The basics may be taught in as little as two weeks - yes, two weeks! 

       A man named Richard Dennis believed so strongly that investment skills could be taught that he made a bet with a fellow investor and then hired new employees, many of whom had no proven financial skills, ranging from bartenders to teachers, from unempoyed people to restaurant mangers. 

         He then gave them $1 million each, with a few stipulations, one of them being that they had to use his system.

       Would you turn down $1 million dollars, no strings attached, except for having to trade based on a specific system? Would you be willing to gamble with someone else's money in the hopes that you might learn something new and come out ahead? Even if I was skeptical, I certainly woudn't turn down an offer like that! 

       Would you like to know what training and other factors led to success, even though the "Turtles" (as the students came to be known) didn't have the backing of firms like Goldman Sachs, any special conections or even degrees in finance, no cushy offices or bureaucratic ladders ready for them to climb? Whic ones made 100 percent or more eacy year? Which ones managed $3 billion dollars in 2007? What has happened to the Turtles?

 


You can go to http://collins.gather.com,  to read more about The Complete TurtleTrader and to get Michael Covel's take on why he wrote this book. This is truly a book that can cause you to rethink common assumptions and may even change your life, help you revamp old or outdated habits and help secure key areas of your finances - or lower risk in those areas. 

  



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Comments: 148

Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 1:40am EDT
I will post some questions others have asked me here and will copy this comment to the newest intro to the chat as well:
1. The book focuses on Richard Dennis and his belief that learning to invest and make money could be taught to just about anybody. What can people learn from reading your book? How could their assumptions and beliefs about investing be changed or challenged?

2. What did you learn from writing this book? What challenges did you face along the way (that you feel comfortable sharing)?

3. Do you feel that readers of your book will get a grasp of the basic Turtle trading rules and the type of mindset it takes to handle investing risks as they did? Have you changed your own investing practices since writing the book?
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 1:43am EDT
Also, as Mary asks me, could you explain a bit about why the rules and guidelines given in the book are a way to make the most of one's money, in your opinion - and without giving away too much from the book? What is the main motivation people should have for reading this book and how can it change their lives for the better?
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M. Bradley McCauley McCauley Oct 29, 2007, 6:49am EDT
I've not attended a live chat on Gather before. I'm looking forward to it tonight.

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John Philipp Oct 29, 2007, 7:49am EDT
Jane, I'll try to make it tonight if some other commitments end on time. Meanwhile, this was a clever way to suck me in - like a "teaser review." Well, it worked.
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Sue D. Oct 29, 2007, 9:22am EDT
I am on the West Coast and will not be available for the live chat.
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Jennifer- Very lucky mommy S. Oct 29, 2007, 10:24am EDT
great article
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Kevin C. Oct 29, 2007, 11:50am EDT
I'm intrigued...did any of the investors allocate their money in businesses that they knew nothing about, using only the rules laid out by Mr. Dennis? Most investment advisers, according to conventional wisdom as I understand it suggest that you put your money only into businesses that you know something about. Would the book change my assumptions about that? I'll be interested in hearing your answer.
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April H. Oct 29, 2007, 12:22pm EDT
I will try to make it here is a question
How will my investing make money? (Dividends? Interest? Capital gains?) Specifically, what must happen for this investment to increase in value? And how do I go about it?
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Judi F. Oct 29, 2007, 12:30pm EDT
sorry to have missed this!
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 1:38pm EDT
Judi-
You did not miss it. It is tonight :)
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~Lady Neeetah of California~Obama #44 W. Oct 29, 2007, 3:03pm EDT
Jane: That is what I needed to see. So it's 7:00p.m. EDT, which would be (I need to think my time) 4:00p.m. MY TIME. Got it. Thanks!
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wiaka's just ... curious Oct 29, 2007, 3:22pm EDT
Jane I am goingto be gone during this time as Ilive on the west coast and have commitments.

Here is a questin for tonight.
Given the erratic gas prices is investments now more of a risks?

How much money do you need to start out?

Sorry i can't be there.

Blessings
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Susan *. Oct 29, 2007, 5:13pm EDT
I'd try it...I grew up in a family that believed very much that anyone could do anything...I'd definitely be up for his challenge!

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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 6:45pm EDT
Kevin C., they invested in markets that they had no understanding in.
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 6:47pm EDT
Hi Michael
I see you are here and ready :)
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 6:59pm EDT
We will be starting the chat in a couple of minutes and I wanted to welcome everyone and remind people to please remember to refresh their screens to see the latest questions and comments.
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:01pm EDT
I am here!
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:02pm EDT
I want to welcome Michael Covel, author of The Complete TurtleTrader, to Gather's live chat.
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:03pm EDT
Michael -
Did you want to start with some of the questions people sent in? I have some ready or perhaps there are some you wanted to discuss first? Welcome!
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:04pm EDT
Just hit me! I wil let you and everyone else decide what to ask!
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:06pm EDT
Okay, Dena asks:
As someone who knows very little about investing, would this book be of benefit to me? In other words, is it basic enough for a beginner to gain understanding and get a good grasp on where and how to begin investing?
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:08pm EDT
One question was about energy...higher prices, etc. Answer, I don't know how high or low prices could go and nor does anyone else. The key is to try and not have an opinion about a market, but rather just follow the trend. For example Google started at 80 and is now at 650 or so...does anyone really care what Google does? Or isn't the important issue to have simply been on the trend? That's Turtle thinking.
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:09pm EDT
Dena, we all have to start! So, we all know only little at some point and that is not a negative!...my book is written from the standpoint that anyone can pick it up and get the big picture.
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:10pm EDT
Can some of the techniques require some thought, some practice? Sure, anything good in life takes work!
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:10pm EDT
Right, part of the Turtle philosophy was learning to put emotions aside and follow the rules, correct?
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:11pm EDT
I am terrible in the kitcher, but I know if I practice I can be better. That's part of the attitude. No fear! Just jump in...and learn first before committing dollars.
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:12pm EDT
Exactly. When the world is going crazy, when the news is scaring everyone, that's when you need a plan in place...a plan put in place long before the news ever hits the tube!
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:14pm EDT
Rick wanted to know : "Michael, if you can truly follow a set of prescribed rules and get rich, then why isn't everybody rich? Surely it can't be as easy as that."

Could you address what you learned that helped get past any initial skepticism?
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:14pm EDT
Nalita -
You are fine. Welcome!
:)
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:16pm EDT
The rules are one thing, following them is another. The rules, the way to make good money, run counter to basic human impulses. That don't "feel" right. Most people want easy money...which keeps them from doing the "right" thing.
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:16pm EDT
Nalita's gone? :)
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Connie C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:16pm EDT
I am sorry but I am not familar with this book. What can you tell me about it that will give me an idea as to how it can help me in my life?
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:18pm EDT
Michael - That happens sometimes. But I see Connie here. Hi, Connie!
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:18pm EDT
Connie, the book is a story about people with no real experience who were trained to be traders in just a few weeks. They went onto make millions. Nurture trumping nature so to speak.
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:19pm EDT
The "experiment" was a real life version of the old Eddie Murphy movie Trading Places in many ways.
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Connie C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:20pm EDT
Michael,
That does sound like a book that I would be interested in. Is there tips on how each of us can use the skills taught in our financial planning as well?
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:20pm EDT
Michael
I got an email from Sara who wanted to know if you are using the rules yourself when you invest - or Connie, did you have further questions about the book?
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Connie C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:21pm EDT
Do you think that there are skills that we can teach our children at a young age that would help them with their financial trading as adults?
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:22pm EDT
The book is a story about the ups and downs of making big money. In that sense, since this is not the stuff the college professors ever talk about, is for everyone in my opinion. It's always wise to know how the "best" operate, cause there is always a tip or nugget for everyone.
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:23pm EDT
There are ways to use the information presented regardless of your risk tolerance.
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Connie C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:23pm EDT
We do invest in the market but we do so blindly. As we know nothing about it. So far we have done pretty well though. I would like to have some knowledge to help guide us in these matters. Will this book help me to understand the ways of investing?
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:23pm EDT
For kids? ABSOLUTELY. If you want your kids to know how great traders play the game, like watching a great artist paint, why not? :-)
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Connie C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:24pm EDT
We are nearing the age of 50 and I know we need to change our strategy but I dont really know how to do it. Any suggestions?
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:24pm EDT
Let me ask Connie, what do you mean by "investing"? Your answer will help me. Most people have a different view of the word.
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Connie C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:26pm EDT
I am very concerned about the economy these days. Thus our strategy needs updating more than ever. I wish I had the skills to trade knowledgeable. Can this book help me in that area?
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:26pm EDT
Books to read? More than You Know by Michael Mauboussin, Moneyball by Michael Lewis, and ...plug ... The Complete TurtleTrader...if you have not read those three...I will guarantee a new view after having done so.
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Connie C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:27pm EDT
We have split our investing into various areas in the stock market. We also have a 401K but out banking saving account is non existent
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:27pm EDT
I am not concerned about the economy. The economy always has ups and downs. The key is to have a plan.
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:28pm EDT
Connie
I know Michael can address this in detail but the book completely changed my perceptions of investing and challenged all assumptions I had about the "right" and "wrong" way to approach investing money.
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:28pm EDT
The basics of course apply...start reducing debts, start saving...those are first steps.
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Connie C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:28pm EDT
You have convinced me. I will be purchasing your book. I know it is time to gain the necessary knowledge. I need to quit putting it off. Is there a certain age at which one needs to change or lower their risk so as to have a retirement plan
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Connie C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:29pm EDT
I will be investing in this book. Is it available at B&N?
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:30pm EDT
Making money, investing, is a "game". The key is to know how to play the game and have the odds on your side. Every hear about gamblers getting an edge, a way to have an advantage? Same with good money making.
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Connie C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:30pm EDT
The people in your book are normal everyday people?
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:30pm EDT
Yes, BN, etc. Everywhere.
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David L. Oct 29, 2007, 7:31pm EDT
Hi Michael,
Warren Buffet for example advocates for "value investing" while others are more technical traders that follow the trend lines of stocks and moving averages. What is the approach that you take and recommend?
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:31pm EDT
What's normal Connie? :-) Yes, many of them were average so to speak...
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:31pm EDT
Connie - One fact you might be interested in knowing is that the traders in the book, some of whom made milliions, came from all walks of life, from bartenders to teachers. They were taught to follow specific rules.
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Connie C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:31pm EDT
My parents were not investers. So I am self taught so to speak. I have alot to learn and am hoping that your book will help me do that.
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:32pm EDT
David, the Turtles, the stars of my book were not value guys but rather more technical. Their risk management however was/is similar to a Buffett.
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:32pm EDT
Hi
I see David L has joined us :)
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:33pm EDT
Make sure to read those 2 other books too. Both great to put you in the right frame of mind.
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:33pm EDT
Help David?
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:36pm EDT
While we are waiting for David to respond, I'd like to put another person's question out there:
" I'm intrigued...did any of the investors allocate their money in businesses that they knew nothing about, using only the rules laid out by Mr. Dennis? Most investment advisers, according to conventional wisdom as I understand it suggest that you put your money only into businesses that you know something about. Would the book change my assumptions about that? I'll be interested in hearing your answer."
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David L. Oct 29, 2007, 7:36pm EDT
I think that your book sounds fascinating. I an curious, with the declining dollar what is your view on commodies such as gold, energy etc?
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Connie C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:36pm EDT
Michael,
I will take your advice and read the three books that you suggested. Can you give us some tips that you use when trading?
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:38pm EDT
My view? The trend in gold, oil is up. Trend in dollar is down. Where do they end? Anyone who says they know is full of you know what...they key if trading these is to know when you are getting in/out before you ever get in.
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Connie C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:39pm EDT
At what age should we slow down on our trading and stick to the "safe" investments?
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:39pm EDT
In terms of knowing a business...back to an earlier answer re: Google...if it goes from 80 to 650...why do you have know what the company even does? Think about that statement.
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David L. Oct 29, 2007, 7:39pm EDT
How does one make that decision?
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:40pm EDT
Connie, serious retort...what is safe? It all depends on what you want. If you want really safe, no risk, prepare to make very little money. No risk, no reward has not stopped being true! :)
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Gillian N. Oct 29, 2007, 7:41pm EDT
Hi David, my question is: Do you think that a novice would do better to look into specific stocks, or a more general index?
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:41pm EDT
Hi, Gillian :)
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:42pm EDT
Part of my book, part of the story...is disclosing and teaching the exact rules the students in my book were taught to make those decisions. It does take a few chapters to explain...even though it is straightforward.
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:43pm EDT
Gillian, if you want average returns, take the index. If you want the chance for something more, individual stocks are the route.
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David L. Oct 29, 2007, 7:43pm EDT
Thanks! I really look forward to reading it!
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:44pm EDT
....but once you decide that...you still need a plan, a strategy. I do not advocate buying and holding as a plan.
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Gillian N. Oct 29, 2007, 7:44pm EDT
(Hi Jane :) I made it! Didn't realize that it was just a matter of refreshing the page, thought it would be like a 'chat' -- took me a bit to figure that out! Thanks for answering!)
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:46pm EDT
Since there are basically 15 minutes left in the chat, if anyone has any other questions, they need to ask them now, just a reminder.
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:46pm EDT
A big lesson for me? Everyone needs to decide what they want. Do they want a little or a lot. Average or above average? What are your goals about money earning...all those questions need to be addressed.
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:48pm EDT
Michael
If you wanted to address any of the questions people have asked so far in more detail, fine. If not, could you perhaps let people know how this book affected your life and investing viewpoints and decisions? What you learned and took into your life?
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Gillian N. Oct 29, 2007, 7:48pm EDT
So it sounds like your approach is technical rather than fundamental -- so in that case, how do you decide when to sell? Do you use standard tech. analysis tools to do that, or do you have your own system outlined in your book?
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:48pm EDT
Too many times people say "I have a 401k, now what?"....well a 401k is just an accounting device...you still need to decide what to buy and when to sell it...those are real key issues. Right? :)
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:48pm EDT
Oops, I see you started to discuss that as I was typing.
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:49pm EDT
The rules taught to these student traders...are technical and are in the book! What they were taught though...was not about predicting the future, but rather reacting to it...
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Gillian N. Oct 29, 2007, 7:51pm EDT
Yes, absolutely-- you can't really buy without making a decision about what TO buy :p
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:52pm EDT
Michael - One person sent in a question wanting to know if you consider yourself a "Turtle" trader yourself and also what was the most surprising thing you discovered as you wrote this book, about investing or investing strategy?
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:52pm EDT
How did writing over the years about the subject affect me? I learned that almost everything taught in high school, college (and grad school even)...is theory about money making, not reality. Most college professors are unaware of the content in my book. That doesn't mean I am some arrogant know it all, far from it. That is just my experience. Our education toward making money is faulty and filled with holes.
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Gillian N. Oct 29, 2007, 7:53pm EDT
Ok, I guess we'll just have to read the book and see how the methods you outline are unique.
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:53pm EDT
I use the basic precepts of Turtle philosophy as a business owner, entrepreneur in real estate and investing.
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:54pm EDT
Keep in mind, they are not my methods. These were developed by two very successful traders named Rich Dennis and Bill Eckhardt.
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:56pm EDT
Most surprising thing is really back to education. Just the fact that so few people have ever heard of the story and the rules. It was all very secretive. It took me years of investigative journalism to crack the nut and many of the subjects in the book did not want the book!
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:56pm EDT
Rich Dennis felt basic investment principles could be taught to anyone and Eckhard did not, correct. They made a bet about that, right?
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Rick Beyer Oct 29, 2007, 7:57pm EDT
Michael, I see this book is selling really well on Amazon...congratulations! What's your second act?
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:58pm EDT
Before the chat ends, I wanted to add that the book is both informative and suspenseful, exciting and not like any investment book I've ever read, not the "same old, same old".
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Michael Covel Oct 29, 2007, 7:58pm EDT
This was my 2nd act, I mean second book! I am also producing a documentary now for theatrical release in spring 08.
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Rick Beyer Oct 29, 2007, 7:58pm EDT
(Sorry I came in so late, Jane!)
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Rick Beyer Oct 29, 2007, 7:58pm EDT
On the same subject, or something different?
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Jo C. Oct 29, 2007, 7:58pm EDT
Rick
No problem. Rick is also a Collins author :)
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